Console Discussion/E3/Tokyo Game Show Thread

[jeff061]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Yes, but it doesn't normally happen after three months. It's usually a minimum of a year, if not longer. Not only that, but I'm sure most believe that further price cuts are coming sooner rather than later and they may hold off even further assuming that a $399 X1 will be here by the holidays. Outside of Titanfall, it's not like there's a lot of must haves between now and the fall. In addition, most would have to assume that a price cut for the PS4 wouldn't be far behind. It may make some move on the console, but I think for the most part, it will only induce more waiting.

Whatever. I'm an early adopter, this early price cut doesn't even register with me. I don't care.

[jeff061]

Also, that's a whole lot of assumptions needed to "prove" your point.

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by jeff061

Whatever. I'm an early adopter, this early price cut doesn't even register with me. I don't care.

Id speculate a lot of gamers are impulse buyers and waiting isnt one of their strong suits.

I am the same way. I cant see myself waiting around for something I want in hopes that it will save me 10 percent in 6 months.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by jeff061

Also, that's a whole lot of assumptions needed to "prove" your point.

Well, we heard a whole lot of people assuming that the $100 difference in price between consoles wouldn't a big deal and that people would stick with the X1 when the new generation arrived when there was lots of evidence to the contrary. We saw how that went.

I'm extremely interested to see how many of these Titanfall packages are actually release. The UK boss is already telling people that they likely will have to preorder it if they want to get it. That doesn't sound like many units.

[cartman]

So, if I understand this correctly:
pre-orders for Xbox = not many units
pre-orders for Sony = unprecedented demand

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by cartman

So, if I understand this correctly:
pre-orders for Xbox = not many units
pre-orders for Sony = unprecedented demand

Sony wasn't limiting their consoles on pre-order, so it's obvious why the unprecedented demand occurred as you mention. They still expect another two months of shortages despite selling more than any other console ever has in the first 3 months.

X1 has actually done that twice now (Day One and Titanfall). Day One consoles were still available 2-4 weeks after launch. We'll hope that the UK boss is serious about the short amount of supply for this console because it's going to be a PR nightmare if we have Titanfall consoles out in the wild for even a few days.

[cartman]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Day One consoles were still available 2-4 weeks after launch.

Through eBay and second hand sellers. But we don't really expect to have any kind of honest discussion with you in this thread.

It is really hard to not get annoyed with a broken record repeating the same thing over and over again for (up to this point) 33 pages.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by cartman

Through eBay and second hand sellers.

Incorrect. Best Buy was selling the Day One console online as late as 3 1/2 weeks after launch.

[cartman]

Again, we don't really expect to have any kind of honest discussion with you in this thread. It is a bit ridiculous that you have more than 1 out of every 4 posts in a 33 page thread. Some of the dynasty threads aren't that lopsided in favor of one poster.

[CU Tiger]

Originally Posted by cartman

Again, we don't really expect to have any kind of honest discussion with you in this thread. It is a bit ridiculous that you have more than 1 out of every 4 posts in a 33 page thread. Some of the dynasty threads aren't that lopsided in favor of one poster.

I must say the thread is a lot more entertaining with MBBF on ignore...

[Logan]

Probably great support for why the subject never should have been edited. It was always going to come back around to numbers and bashing.

[CU Tiger]

Originally Posted by Logan

Probably great support for why the subject never should have been edited. It was always going to come back around to numbers and bashing.

I didnt edit the subject.
MBBF edited the subject of his thread to match the other one and draw traffic here instead....

[Logan]

Originally Posted by CU Tiger

I didnt edit the subject.
MBBF edited the subject of his thread to match the other one and draw traffic here instead....

Yep, I know. You did it right.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by CU Tiger

I didnt edit the subject.
MBBF edited the subject of his thread to match the other one and draw traffic here instead....

LOL. The tin foil is strong with this one.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Guerilla Games Executive Producer confirms that they are already 2 1/2 years into development of a new IP.

Well, we are working on a new IP... we started on that already, [b]2.5 years ago[b/]. But, unfortunately, we cannot share details yet of the new IP. So, you'll have to be a bit more patient.

-Angie Smits

PS4 sells 322K in first two days in Japan...

Famitsu.com

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Phil Spencer dispels rumors of a new Project Gotham Racing game.....

A New Project Gotham Racing Isn't in Development - IGN

[cartman]

I don't know if you just weren't hugged enough as a child, or were mercilessly taunted on the playground at school, but you are obviously searching for some kind of closure. You aren't going to find it here constantly dola-posting.

[mckerney]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

PS4 sells 322K in first two days in Japan...

Famitsu.com

Ouch, Sony fails to sell out their allotment and the first weekend sales put the PS4 in Wii U and Vita territory for launches in Japan. Could this give more power to those who want Sony to sell off the Playstation division?

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by mckerney

Ouch, Sony fails to sell out their allotment and the first weekend sales put the PS4 in Wii U and Vita territory for launches in Japan. Could this give more power to those who want Sony to sell off the Playstation division?

From what I've seen, it's been quite the opposite. The mobile and PS divisions are the profitable segments, no? The TV and the computer segments are the ones being sold off.

[mckerney]

Layoffs Hit God of War Studio Sony Santa Monica - IGN

More bleak financial news for Sony as they are forced into layoffs at Sony Santa Monica and cancelling a project the development studio was working on.

[jbergey22]

Sounds like Microsoft won round 11. LOL.

This thread has gotten entertaining.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by mckerney

Layoffs Hit God of War Studio Sony Santa Monica - IGN

More bleak financial news for Sony as they are forced into layoffs at Sony Santa Monica and cancelling a project the development studio was working on.

They've been struggling ever since the disappointing sales on the last GOW game. Not terribly surprising.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Interesting information on sales in Japan. Sony had some good numbers on launch, but 3DS sales took a hit as well.

Nintendo's New Nightmare | BGR

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

dola

Info on new headset adapter for X1.

Xbox One headsets… surround sound, adapters, fact & fiction | gamerawr!

Microsoft respond to consumers complaining about early price drop.

Microsoft 'can't offer retroactive refund' to Xbox One buyers upset by price cut - VideoGamer.com

Interestingly enough, Apple took a much different tact when presented with a similar situation.

Steve Jobs Eats Crow, Offers $100 to Early IPhone Buyers | Gadget Lab | Wired.com

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

For those that still want one, Day One Xbox Ones are available on eBay courtesy of the official MS Store.

Microsoft Xbox One Day One Edition | eBay

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

New Batman game coming only to current gen consoles and PC.

The Next Batman Game Is Arkham Knight

Sony announces 6M units sold through end of February.

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2014/...cial-gameplay/

MS launches beta of Project Spark.

Project Spark launches Xbox One beta today | Joystiq

Xbox One listed in Japan, MS plans to change image of console.

Microsoft “Preparing a Strategy to Change the Image of Xbox” in Japan | DualShockers

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

LOL. The tin foil is strong with this one.

How about we just change it back to the original title?

SI

[mckerney]

Ouch, a couple of big embarrassments for Sony. First, the Killzone multiplayer that Sony claimed was 1080p and 60 fps turns out to be neither. Big questions about the consoles power and Sony for lying about it.

In Theory: 1080p30 vs 720p60 - could next-gen let us choose? • Articles • Eurogamer.net

Second, it looks like the XBox One is the king fit anyone who wants to steam on Twitch. Can't help but wonder why the PS4s hardware can't keep up.

Xbox One Twitch Higher Resolution Than PS4 - NowGamer

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

How about we just change it back to the original title?

SI

Sure. You asked nicely and I'm happy to do so. The developer's conference, E3, and TGS are all coming quickly in addition to all the other news leaking out.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by mckerney

Ouch, a couple of big embarrassments for Sony. First, the Killzone multiplayer that Sony claimed was 1080p and 60 fps turns out to be neither. Big questions about the consoles power and Sony for lying about it.

In Theory: 1080p30 vs 720p60 - could next-gen let us choose? • Articles • Eurogamer.net

Actually a great thing that you posted this. It's a great discussion. First off, Guerilla Games should be called out for it. It's misleading. With that said, what was a rough situation initially could be a saving grace for developers who can't quite squeeze full 1080p/60fps out of the Xbox One on their ports. Thuway discusses the ramifications over on his Twitter account.

I don't think people understand why the solution Guerilla is using is bleeding edge. They LIED - yes; but now lets examine the work at play

In still frame IQ similar to native 1080p will be on display. When the frame moves, IQ will remain close to 1080p with ghosting + artifacts

It's clever and fooled everyone into thinking GG was using some sort of strange AA algorithm because the image was still very sharp.

The detail lost artifacts or blurs in hyper fast scenes.

Also, IMO, this is not a cheap method to be forcing down your frame buffer. GG deliberately ignored shifting resolution to 900p. Intersting

If people ignore the fanboy war for a minute, this method actually can be employed on the Xbox One, and is an amazing compromise.

Guerilla's method essentially gives the clarity of 1080p with two drawbacks - ghosting + artifacting. It literally is genius.

I'm more interesting in how this applies to games going forward. COD, Battlefield, TitanFall 2 etc. This is a gamechanger.

It's very rare that a developer CREATES a solution to a problem. We nominally go to standby methods like increasing AA/AF/SSAO

The end result from Killzone's method is a super sharp image (like 1080p), with artifacts + ghosting.

So I'm a bit torn. On the one hand, Guerilla deliberately misled consumers into thinking they were getting native 1080p when they weren't.

On the other hand, they've created a new method for frame blending and handling sharpness that supercedes any attempts before it.

Ushering in essentially a new paradigm of rendering. We started with MSAA and have evolved all the way to TXAA. This tech will evolve too.

Exciting times ahead. Developers must be salivating at the bit.

So I'll try to simplify GG's method in three points, and I hope this goes some way in explaining what is going on.

A. The image displayed to the player is Full HD 1080p with ghosting. Full stop. The player sees Full HD 1080p, 1:1 mapping. 1920X1080p

B. The framebuffer renders every other frame at 960X1080p and stitches them together. Every frame on display is full HD 1080p, but the means to display the image are questionable.

C. The advantages of a sharp Full HD image are present with a blur / artifacting on high resolution edges.

[Butter]

Originally Posted by CU Tiger

I must say the thread is a lot more entertaining with MBBF on ignore...

It's certainly less frustrating, but there also isn't too much to read....

[cartman]

Originally Posted by Butter_of_69

It's certainly less frustrating, but there also isn't too much to read....

True statement either way

[MizzouRah]

XB1 next update rolling out starts tonight..

Xbox Live's Major Nelson » Xbox One March System Update Rolling Out Today :

[MizzouRah]

There was also a controller update - settings/update controller.

I used the cable I charge my Samsung S4 phone with. Less than a minute per controller.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Big news in the Sony world. Jack Tretton steps down as CEO of SCEA. Shawn Leyton is the new CEO.

Will miss Jack. Seemed like a nice guy and his E3 appearances were always entertaining.

Jack Tretton To Step Down As President And CEO Of Sony Computer Entertainment... -- TOKYO, March 6, 2014 /PRNewswire/ --

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Looks like we have an announcement date for Sony's new VR technology.

Gamasutra - PlayStation's software boss and the creator of the Move together in new GDC talk

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Interesting battle developing between Ubisoft and Take Two. Watch Dogs has been universally hammered over the past week after their latest releases showed significantly downgraded visuals on the current gen versions of the game. Ubisoft is in damage control mode, trying to minimize the damage, but it likely is too late.

Now, we know that the Grand Theft Auto V release on PS4/PC/X1 is slated for June, but rumors are that Take Two may look to upstage Ubisoft and also release on May 27th. That would make for an interesting battle and would definitely create problems for a game that's had more than one setback in its development cycle.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

New title announced. MotoGP '14 announced for PS4. Excited to see how this series looks on current gen consoles. It's obviously more for the Japanese market, but I've really enjoyed previous iterations.



MotoGPâ„¢14 – Official MotoGPâ„¢ Videogame

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

MS confident as Titanfall launch approaches.

Microsoft: Titanfall is a "game changer" that will help sell Xbox Ones - GameSpot

Phil Spencer explains why Games with Gold is fundamentally different.

Xbox’s Phil Spencer says Games with Gold is “fundamentally different� than PlayStation Plus - GameSpot

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

dola

Titanfall developer discusses trade-offs with optimization of game.

Titanfall ships at 792p on Xbox One • News • Eurogamer.net

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Interesting chatter today from Pete Dodd. First, he discusses Batman pre-orders.

I was told last night by a guy at MS that Batman is being preordered, in the US, to the tune of 4 to 1 in favor of the PS4 currently.

Then he also talks about Titanfall.

Marketing guys project that Titanfall has already helped sell around 1 million Xbox Ones. This is based off of things like upticks in sales after every major Titanfall announcements. They don’t know if it will move 200k more at this point. The titanfall bundle is selling less than Microsoft projected (but they are still hopeful for a big swing come tuesday).

New Batman’s Pre-Orders PS4 vs Xbox One Are 4 to 1; Titanfall Helped Sell a Million Xbox One Units – Insider | DualShockers

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Interesting. One day after release and Titanfall bundles are being packaged with gift cards. Pete Dodd is reporting that sales of the Titanfall bundles were 'below expectations'.

Newegg.com - Microsoft Xbox One Titanfall Bundle

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Dola

More discussion on upcoming VR headset for Sony. Third party publishers say it's better than Oculus Rift's first incarnation, but question if it will be enough to make it anything more than a niche product.

Sony's VR tech will be revealed at GDC – and it represents virtual reality gaming's greatest hope | News | Edge Online

[Ronnie Dobbs3]

The rare decadola

[cartman]

Like I said, there are dynasty posts that have a lower percentage of posts from one person. You'd think the clue would be picked up by now.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by cartman

Like I said, there are dynasty posts that have a lower percentage of posts from one person. You'd think the clue would be picked up by now.

You don't have to post in the thread or even click on it if you're not interested in the topic.

[cartman]

There is interest in the topic. But there is not much interest in your continued spamming.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by cartman

There is interest in the topic. But there is not much interest in your continued spamming.

Great. So add something that you think would be of interest. Thanks.

[Neuqua]

Why haven't you two blocked eachother yet?

[cartman]

Crytek has announced they are joining the Steam Machine parade.

Crytek jumps on Steam Machine hype train, announces Linux support | Ars Technica