04-25-2006, 12:12 PM | #1601 |
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Nope, the night was quiet.
Sorry for not mentioning that.
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04-25-2006, 12:27 PM | #1602 |
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OK, I'm hoping that the Warlord shows up soon - would like to factor his scan into the thought process for this afternoon.
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04-25-2006, 12:40 PM | #1603 |
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VOTE BLADE6119
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04-25-2006, 12:43 PM | #1604 | |
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I agree, tried to get us to go this way with the vote before, but the bandwagon seemed to always fall apart towards the end. Hopefully we can get the votes early and have them stay this time. Vote Blade |
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04-25-2006, 12:50 PM | #1605 |
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I wont be around today much, if at all. Im clean, never was converted. And if dubb and jeeber are clean(we dont know about jeeber, and schmidty made it sound like he could be) then hoops, raiders, and barkeep become my top targets again unless they are just backdooring us with quiet players.
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04-25-2006, 12:50 PM | #1606 |
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OK, I'll play devils advocate here on Blade, even though I'm getting more edgy about him as days go by. Since he was brilliant on Day 1 he is unlikely to have a special role that could threaten the Things. He is always likely to be a topic of conversation in any game of WW, and the fact that he hasn't been tested by now makes him more likely to be tested soon.
I don't think he makes a ton of sense as last nights conversion based on the reason above. So if Blade was converted, I would think Night 1 was the most likely day that this happened. And if that is the case, then the Things have probably done about as well as could be expected with converting him (there is no way you convert him Night 1 and expect him to live through the entire game). |
04-25-2006, 12:51 PM | #1607 |
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vote coffee warlord
It doesn't make sense that the Things wouldn't have tried to convert him one of the last two nights. |
04-25-2006, 01:02 PM | #1608 | |
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I tend to agree. I'm eager to hear from him.
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04-25-2006, 01:06 PM | #1609 |
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Either you believe me or not, but, the following things happened.
1) I was not converted. Again. 2) I scanned Blade. The son of a bitch came up clear. |
04-25-2006, 01:09 PM | #1610 |
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Vote Barkeep
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04-25-2006, 01:10 PM | #1611 |
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And if you DO believe me, at this point, it's gotta be the quiet people. I think we've covered pretty much the whole crop of louder ones / notorious ones.
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04-25-2006, 01:22 PM | #1612 |
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Believe I'll vote with blade today.
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04-25-2006, 01:35 PM | #1613 |
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It's time to finally see whether Barkeep has been telling the truth or not.
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04-25-2006, 02:10 PM | #1614 | |
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Barkeep i voted because after night one the things had to fear his powerful role, so a conversion makes sense. If we miss again today we are literally getting raped...so think carefully on this one.
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04-25-2006, 03:04 PM | #1615 | |
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To be fair, you're 'clearance' isn't definite. Depends on how likely it was that CW was converted. I don't know what I think about that yet.
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04-25-2006, 03:24 PM | #1616 | |
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04-25-2006, 03:31 PM | #1617 | |
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Because we've been flirting with voting Blade forever, always wind up swapping at the buzzer, and I wanted to know for certain. (or at least as certain as you can get in this game) |
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04-25-2006, 03:32 PM | #1618 |
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I find it quite surprising, I might add, that now 2 of the big 3 who were strongly fighting me back on The Day of Reckoning are good guys (or at least WERE on that particular day.)
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04-25-2006, 03:38 PM | #1619 | |
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CW, would you be willing to vote hoops with me if i swapped?
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04-25-2006, 03:43 PM | #1620 | |
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Anyhow, I'm leaving my vote as is. I'll see what the status is later after I get home from work. |
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04-25-2006, 03:44 PM | #1621 | |
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04-25-2006, 03:46 PM | #1622 | |
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Yes it does. The geneticist doesn't do much in this game. Also, the longer the geneticist continues as is, the more we suspect him. The more we suspect the geneticist, the less we'll listen to what he says, so the weaker his impact becomes. Eventually, we'll probably vote for him again. Imagine the laugh the Things get and the sheck we experience when CW is proved to still be human. If I were a thing, I wouldn't even bother with CW. He's too visible, too likely to be bodyguarded, and gets less and less support with each passing day. In fact, I suspect that CW is telling the truth at this point. Blade is cleared in my mind, as a result. -Anxiety
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04-25-2006, 03:47 PM | #1623 | |
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I think that's not a half bad idea, though strongly I wonder about Barkeep, for one big reason. We do not know what Quik was. We only have Barkeep's word that he was a Thing, and this is something that has bothered me since day 1. We've all just sort of accepted the fact that he was a Thing, and moved on. Frankly, why WOULD a human with a Kill power use it right off the bat? You almost have better odds killing a human with an important role than you do a Thing. He went public, Qwik died, and all of a sudden Barkeep is a local celebrity. The fuck? In short, I think I just talked myself into lobbying for Barkeep today. |
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04-25-2006, 03:50 PM | #1624 |
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I used this exact same analogy yesterday in arguing we should vote for Barkeep.
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04-25-2006, 03:52 PM | #1625 | |
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04-25-2006, 04:03 PM | #1626 | |
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That should show how much I was paying attention over my 4 day weekend. |
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04-25-2006, 04:11 PM | #1627 | |
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I don't dispute any of this. I'm not trying to CLEAR Barkeep, I'm thinking, between him and hoops, the odds on him are at least even, perhaps a bit better. Though there has been almost zero heat on hoops, he'd be a ripe target for conversion, especially since he's been a guiding factor for awhile. Hell. Could be both of them. We've got to have a pretty target rich environment at this point. I'd like to hear some other people chime in. |
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You forget, he was the first person I scanned. If he IS a thing, he was not an original. |
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04-25-2006, 04:29 PM | #1632 | |
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Interesting posts from day 2 regarding hoops or by hoops...odd how he votes saldana then defends him, and tangle i thought deserved recognition for the best post ive ever seen him make
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04-25-2006, 04:37 PM | #1634 |
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And with that
UNVOTE BARKEEP VOTE HOOPS
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04-25-2006, 04:44 PM | #1635 |
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I'll go with that.
Unvote Barkeep Vote Hoops |
04-25-2006, 04:50 PM | #1636 |
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Welcome to the party hoops, looking forward to our chat on this one. Ready when you are
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04-25-2006, 04:57 PM | #1637 |
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I think this is an interesting discussion and am not trying to hijack it at all, because these I think these are some valid questions that need to be asked.
But the quick bandwagon makes me a little wary, and I'll tell you why. CW has got to be a likely conversion target. If we assume there is a bodyguard, he was more than likely guarding CW two nights ago and might well not be able to guard him twice in a row. CW comes out today clearing Blade, who then charges after Hoops, whereupon CW follows him on the vote. So my question is: Is it totally unrealistic to wonder if Blade converted CW last night? Please feel free to shoot holes in this theory. It's just a weird feeling I'm getting.
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I don't think that's unrealistic at all; I've thrown back a few so I'm open to anything.
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04-25-2006, 05:05 PM | #1640 |
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Actually it might be a good play if it were an endgame strategy, but from Schimdty's comments, I'd guess that the game isn't near the end.
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04-25-2006, 05:06 PM | #1641 |
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OK, looks like I've been popular the last couple of hours. I'll start by protesting my innocence a little bit here.
1.) I don't think it is disputed that I was a scientist on Day 1. Coffee clears me with a night scan, so whether you believed me or not on the 'brilliant' thing is pretty immaterial. 2.) I haven't been converted, and I've spent time trying to figure out why. When I positioned arguments for why Blade might not be a Thing earlier today it was basically putting out my thoughts on why I had not been converted. 3.) If you are arguing when I was converted, I think it is a hard sell to suggest I was converted on the first night as I wouldn't have left Saldana hung out to dry like that. I put my vote on him when the outcome was still very much in doubt and never moved it. 4.) If you think that I was sitting out the argument on Day 2, it is because I was. I didn't think either one of the positions (RA + CW are Things, no Blade + Dubb are Things) because both arguments didn't feel well-founded to me. I posted on this repeatedly. 5.) I have no way to respond to how Barkeep would play as a Thing versus how I would play as a Thing. But suggesting that I'm more likely to convert "quiet" players than him makes very little sense to me. I respect how Barkeep plays the game. I think he would (as I would) go after the player he thought has the best chance to help his team win, quiet or verbal. |
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As for endgame, i think we still have 2 days left...today and tomorrow...we miss both days and then it might be over. But 2 votes with incrwasing #s of things means we should hit one at least. We really should just keep checking the uncleared people and we should hit one on odds alone.
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04-25-2006, 05:08 PM | #1643 |
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Blade, can you give me the argument again why we learn more by testing me than Barkeep? I didn't follow this at all, since there have been four nights to convert each of us. I've been cleared for Day 1 (by CW scan) while Barkeep has not.
I'm trying to figure out whether I'm going after him or you with my vote, basically. |
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Votes as of Post #1643:
Blade - mckerney (1604) Barkeep - Anxiety (1610), JeeberD (1613) Coffee - Cronin (1607) Hoopsguy - Raiders (1632), Blade (1634), Coffee (1635) |
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2.Care to quote those, not sure exactly which ones your referencing 3.I think you were converted night 2, as i said above...im certain on night one you were clear(as cw scanned you night 1) 4.Day 2 was barkeep saldana, and then jeeber i believe(forget who was the second vote)...the time you reference was day 3, after i believe you to be converted if my theory holds true. Posting you believe both sides to be good, and have them both turn up to be good, ironically damns you in my mind. A thing knows when to support a villager, and your stance during the debate on day 3 of they all seem clean to me, ill be over here in the corner not getting votes is a very thingy move. 5.I agree, but in my opinion his move to convert the best player to win would be people like dubb...thats my opinion of him, and i stated mine of yours. To each his own... Tag, your it hoops
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From my Post #1606 warning against a quick Blade run-away for votes:
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