WW XCV: Land of the Role Reveals GAME OVER - Page 33

Racer · 06-01-2009, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Danny, I'm pushing for Racer because of this:

If Lathum is a wolf, he *might* be trying to get trust for Racer. But if Lathum isn't a wolf, you have to hit Racer. If Lathum isn't a wolf though you have the choice between Dubb and Racer.

If Lathum comes up as the fake seer, there is no reason to think I am any more likely a wolf then any of the other players who still have not been cleared.

hoopsguy · 06-01-2009, 06:34 PM

Dubb - I think he is entirely capable of playing the great wolf game that has been suggested of him. It is also why I'm dismayed that he is uncleared now, even if I was an accessory of sorts for this at the end of Day 3.

Danny · 06-01-2009, 06:34 PM

I'd still prefer Dubb only because if Dubb turns up bad, there is still saldana sitting there. I just can't believe Dubb would push for Saldana as maniac with such a large chance of hitting a wolf unless he knew Saldana would not be hitting a wolf.

Danny · 06-01-2009, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Dubb - I think he is entirely capable of playing the great wolf game that has been suggested of him. It is also why I'm dismayed that he is uncleared now, even if I was an accessory of sorts for this at the end of Day 3.

This is partly my fault too as I suggested not scanning him if I decided to kill him. I still think if he is a wolf, he is the cunning, but I was sort of hoping PB would ignore my recommendation.

PurdueBrad · 06-01-2009, 06:36 PM

Danny, Hoops, IF dubb is a wolf, then do we assume Saldana is?

PurdueBrad · 06-01-2009, 06:37 PM

Alright, then lets try this:

unvote Lathum
vote dubb

Danny · 06-01-2009, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Danny, Hoops, IF dubb is a wolf, then do we assume Saldana is?

If we lynch Dubb and he is a wolf, I am using my ability to kill Saldana. Like I said, I think it's very unlikely Dubb as a wolf pushes for Saldana to be maniac unless he knows that kill is not hitting a wolf.

Danny · 06-01-2009, 06:38 PM

Whoever ends up being the mastermind here is getting my vote next game

hoopsguy · 06-01-2009, 06:39 PM

Probably - I think him going maniac on a villager helps make that case. It is not a lock, but it seems like a pretty good bet.

Every wolf scenario I've painted with Dubb bad includes Saldana being bad with him.

Racer · 06-01-2009, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Alright, then lets try this:

unvote Lathum
vote dubb

Like I said earlier, I'm voting with you today.

Unvote Lathum
Vote dubb

I really think it's important to make sure it's either Lathum or Dubb today (since one of them has to be a wolf).

Danny · 06-01-2009, 06:41 PM

It's still tough to get the numbers, if you are telling the truth Hoops that would make Dubb/Saldana/Telle/ and then two of Racer, Schmidty, and USFL. I don't think Schmidty is a wolf and I really didn't suspect USFL much either. There's always the possibility PB is the false seer and Tyrith is a wolf in there as well.

Danny · 06-01-2009, 06:42 PM

Another crazy, though, the wolves chose to kill Chief Rum with PB revealed, was this to make it look like PB was the real seer after he scanned Tyrith as good?

hoopsguy · 06-01-2009, 06:42 PM

As of post #1611:

3 - Racer - Lathum (1306), Schmidty (1535), Hoops (1589)
4 - dubb - Danny (1413), USFL (1584), PB (1606), Racer (1610)
3 - Lathum - dubb (1285), Tyrith (1293), saldana (1319)

Yet to vote: Telle

PurdueBrad · 06-01-2009, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

Another crazy, though, the wolves chose to kill Chief Rum with PB revealed, was this to make it look like PB was the real seer after he scanned Tyrith as good?

I asked that earlier but then there is another possibility. IF Saldana hits me, the village jumps him next and then dubb for clearing him. It wouldn't make sense to hit me.

hoopsguy · 06-01-2009, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

Another crazy, though, the wolves chose to kill Chief Rum with PB revealed, was this to make it look like PB was the real seer after he scanned Tyrith as good?

Yep, I'm interested in where Tyrith is going to be voting today as well.

Danny · 06-01-2009, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

I asked that earlier but then there is another possibility. IF Saldana hits me, the village jumps him next and then dubb for clearing him. It wouldn't make sense to hit me.

Especially if they know you are the false seer.

hoopsguy · 06-01-2009, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

I asked that earlier but then there is another possibility. IF Saldana hits me, the village jumps him next and then dubb for clearing him. It wouldn't make sense to hit me.

They don't necessarily have to hit you if you are a false seer and got one wrong. In fact, in that case they would leave you alive.

It is really tempting for me to believe this because I would like for Lathum to be the real seer and have a clean scan on me (I know, I know - since it is Day 1 that scan means I'm the convert ... blah, blah, blah).

Racer · 06-01-2009, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

As of post #1611:

3 - Racer - Lathum (1306), Schmidty (1535), Hoops (1589)
4 - dubb - Danny (1413), USFL (1584), PB (1606), Racer (1610)
3 - Lathum - dubb (1285), Tyrith (1293), saldana (1319)

Yet to vote: Telle

I'm not saying to protect myself, but we really need to make sure that I don't somehow get lynched today.

Whether or not you believe me is irrelevant. You have to consider the possibility that I'm a villager and that Lathum could be the fake seer.

If you narrow it down to dubb or Lathum, one of them is a wolf (and maybe both of them).

Danny · 06-01-2009, 06:47 PM

I'd really like to see Lathum and Schmidty switch their votes to Dubb

Danny · 06-01-2009, 06:48 PM

I doubt both of them are wolves, the wolves only are made known one role not in the game, what's the likelihood of them revealing as seer/duke and there not being both of those

Racer · 06-01-2009, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

I'd really like to see Lathum and Schmidty switch their votes to Dubb

I'd really like to see Hoops switch.

Danny · 06-01-2009, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Racer

I'd really like to see Hoops switch.

I happen to agree, there's no reason for this not to be a showdown of Dubb vs Lathum today. We can deal with you tomorrow depending on the result

Racer · 06-01-2009, 06:52 PM

By the way, I think people are fools for believing Hoops at this point.

Danny · 06-01-2009, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Racer

By the way, I think people are fools for believing Hoops at this point.

Who says we believe him? Maybe that's why he wants a run off of you and Lathum because either way they win. My vote was on Dubb long before then. Pretty much the only person I trust right now is PB.

hoopsguy · 06-01-2009, 06:56 PM

So be it - if we have the numbers to go after Dubb then lets do this.

UNVOTE LATHUM
VOTE DUBB

Tyrith · 06-01-2009, 07:06 PM

I'm not moving. I've made that pretty clear.

Tyrith · 06-01-2009, 07:09 PM

Simply put, I think at this point there is a good chance people are overthinking this. We made some fundamental assumptions about the game a while back, and now, on the precipice, we're going back on them. The time for flaking was before this.

hoopsguy · 06-01-2009, 07:09 PM

I'm going to be out until I put my kid to bed. I should be around for the last half hour, give or take, depending on how quickly she goes down for the night.

dubb93 · 06-01-2009, 07:17 PM

You make me seer and then when I hit a wolf you buy up his story and vote for me. Amazing.

dubb93 · 06-01-2009, 07:18 PM

And seriously, Hoops has voted for everyone except Lathum at this point. That should be pretty telling right there.

Danny · 06-01-2009, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by dubb93

You make me seer and then when I hit a wolf you buy up his story and vote for me. Amazing.

For me, it's the tie break situation. The whole way it happened and your explanation of how it works seems unlikely to me. Maybe that's the way it is and I just think the way it was done is odd, but without this whole thing there is no way my vote is on you right now.

dubb93 · 06-01-2009, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

For me, it's the tie break situation. The whole way it happened and your explanation of how it works seems unlikely to me. Maybe that's the way it is and I just think the way it was done is odd, but without this whole thing there is no way my vote is on you right now.

Whatever Danny, I don't need you to tell me how my role works. Vote how you will.

PurdueBrad · 06-01-2009, 07:21 PM

Racer and Danny, I think I prefer a Lathum lynch just because Danny can hit dubb and the vice versa is not true. I do also agree that MOST of the time, the first reveal is the true reveal. Let me make this switch back once and for all.

unvote Dubb
vote Lathum

PurdueBrad · 06-01-2009, 07:22 PM

To expound on the above, if we're wrong on Lathum, Danny can make up for it by hitting dubb and then we lynch Saldana.

If we're wrong on dubb, danny can hit Saldana I guess, and then we lynch dubb the next day.

I still prefer the former to the latter.

Tyrith · 06-01-2009, 07:22 PM

Honestly, his description of the role makes sense. His starting power is not amazing, and the duke wouldn't necessarily be involved in every tie.

Danny · 06-01-2009, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

To expound on the above, if we're wrong on Lathum, Danny can make up for it by hitting dubb and then we lynch Saldana.

If we're wrong on dubb, danny can hit Saldana I guess, and then we lynch dubb the next day.

I still prefer the former to the latter.

If we're wrong on Dubb, it's game over.

Danny · 06-01-2009, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by dubb93

Whatever Danny, I don't need you to tell me how my role works. Vote how you will.

If you are the duke and you left the tie break on racer, there would be no reason to doubt your story. You had an opportunity to clear yourself 100% and didn't take it. Maybe you really did think Racer was a wolf, but that seems like a bad villager play or a wolf play.

PurdueBrad · 06-01-2009, 07:24 PM

So Danny, you believe it is 6-5 right now?

Danny · 06-01-2009, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrith

Honestly, his description of the role makes sense. His starting power is not amazing, and the duke wouldn't necessarily be involved in every tie.

His descriptions makes sense, it's his decision not to use to clear himself. And being able to use it after deadline seems very odd to me. I've never seen an ability that allowed you to submit it after deadline.

Danny · 06-01-2009, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

So Danny, you believe it is 6-5 right now?

If Dubb is a wolf yes. That's the only way his play makes sense. Otherwise he trades himself for Lathum which doesn't make too much sense.

Racer · 06-01-2009, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

So be it - if we have the numbers to go after Dubb then lets do this.

UNVOTE LATHUM
VOTE DUBB

I think you were on me before.

Racer · 06-01-2009, 07:30 PM

Unvote Dubb
Vote Lathum

Danny · 06-01-2009, 07:34 PM

As of post #1642:

3 - Racer - Lathum (1306), Schmidty (1535), Hoops (1589)
2- dubb - Danny (1413), USFL (1584)
5 - Lathum - dubb (1285), Tyrith (1293), saldana (1319), PurdueBrad (1633), Racer (1642)

Danny · 06-01-2009, 07:36 PM

Still not voting Telle?

PurdueBrad · 06-01-2009, 07:39 PM

Danny, there was some talk about trying to arrange a tie between dubb/Lathum. I think it may work, with the preference being the latest vote being on dubb. That means UNLESS dubb uses his supposed wolf powers, he is gone. It would take one more vote on dubb and the rest staying put. We may be able to do something like this. By forcing his supposed Duke power we can figure out what he is.

Danny · 06-01-2009, 07:41 PM

That's tricky, especially with Telle sitting there without a vote on anyone. If we get everyone to vote nightfall and then have you and I as the last two split our votes it could work, but it will leave a lot of ability for the wolves to manipulate the vote otherwise.

PurdueBrad · 06-01-2009, 07:46 PM

You're right Danny. Gut instinct here for you is that dubb is a wolf?

dubb93 · 06-01-2009, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

You're right Danny. Gut instinct here for you is that dubb is a wolf?

That is always Danny's gut when we are both villagers. See Abe's last game where Danny single handedly got me lynched.

Danny · 06-01-2009, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

You're right Danny. Gut instinct here for you is that dubb is a wolf?

That's what my gut says, but It's certainly not 100%. The whole tie break thing just seems way off to me. It's tough to believe Dubb as a villager would not prove himself in that situation. And I heard his reasoning, but there was no deadline happenings that made Racer any more less likely to be a wolf than Lerriuqs.

Danny · 06-01-2009, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by dubb93

That is always Danny's gut when we are both villagers. See Abe's last game where Danny single handedly got me lynched.

I had a hand in that, but I'm pretty sure 6 or 7 other people helped too. Of course, I think PurdueBrad liked that result. And you've also thought I was a wolf quite often when we were both villagers too

06-01-2009, 06:34 PM	#1602
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Dubb - I think he is entirely capable of playing the great wolf game that has been suggested of him. It is also why I'm dismayed that he is uncleared now, even if I was an accessory of sorts for this at the end of Day 3.

06-01-2009, 06:34 PM	#1603
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	I'd still prefer Dubb only because if Dubb turns up bad, there is still saldana sitting there. I just can't believe Dubb would push for Saldana as maniac with such a large chance of hitting a wolf unless he knew Saldana would not be hitting a wolf.

06-01-2009, 06:38 PM	#1608
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Whoever ends up being the mastermind here is getting my vote next game

06-01-2009, 06:39 PM	#1609
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Probably - I think him going maniac on a villager helps make that case. It is not a lock, but it seems like a pretty good bet. Every wolf scenario I've painted with Dubb bad includes Saldana being bad with him.

06-01-2009, 06:41 PM	#1611
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	It's still tough to get the numbers, if you are telling the truth Hoops that would make Dubb/Saldana/Telle/ and then two of Racer, Schmidty, and USFL. I don't think Schmidty is a wolf and I really didn't suspect USFL much either. There's always the possibility PB is the false seer and Tyrith is a wolf in there as well.

06-01-2009, 06:42 PM	#1612
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Another crazy, though, the wolves chose to kill Chief Rum with PB revealed, was this to make it look like PB was the real seer after he scanned Tyrith as good?

06-01-2009, 06:42 PM	#1613
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	As of post #1611: 3 - Racer - Lathum (1306), Schmidty (1535), Hoops (1589) 4 - dubb - Danny (1413), USFL (1584), PB (1606), Racer (1610) 3 - Lathum - dubb (1285), Tyrith (1293), saldana (1319) Yet to vote: Telle

06-01-2009, 06:47 PM	#1619
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	I'd really like to see Lathum and Schmidty switch their votes to Dubb

06-01-2009, 06:48 PM	#1620
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	I doubt both of them are wolves, the wolves only are made known one role not in the game, what's the likelihood of them revealing as seer/duke and there not being both of those

06-01-2009, 06:52 PM	#1623
Racer College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fort Wayne, Indiana	By the way, I think people are fools for believing Hoops at this point.

06-01-2009, 06:56 PM	#1625
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	So be it - if we have the numbers to go after Dubb then lets do this. UNVOTE LATHUM VOTE DUBB

06-01-2009, 07:06 PM	#1626
Tyrith College Starter Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Houston, TX	I'm not moving. I've made that pretty clear.

06-01-2009, 07:09 PM	#1627
Tyrith College Starter Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Houston, TX	Simply put, I think at this point there is a good chance people are overthinking this. We made some fundamental assumptions about the game a while back, and now, on the precipice, we're going back on them. The time for flaking was before this.

06-01-2009, 07:09 PM	#1628
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	I'm going to be out until I put my kid to bed. I should be around for the last half hour, give or take, depending on how quickly she goes down for the night.

06-01-2009, 07:22 PM	#1635
Tyrith College Starter Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Houston, TX	Honestly, his description of the role makes sense. His starting power is not amazing, and the duke wouldn't necessarily be involved in every tie.

06-01-2009, 07:30 PM	#1642
Racer College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fort Wayne, Indiana	Unvote Dubb Vote Lathum

06-01-2009, 07:34 PM	#1643
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	As of post #1642: 3 - Racer - Lathum (1306), Schmidty (1535), Hoops (1589) 2- dubb - Danny (1413), USFL (1584) 5 - Lathum - dubb (1285), Tyrith (1293), saldana (1319), PurdueBrad (1633), Racer (1642)

06-01-2009, 07:36 PM	#1644
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Still not voting Telle?

06-01-2009, 07:41 PM	#1646
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	That's tricky, especially with Telle sitting there without a vote on anyone. If we get everyone to vote nightfall and then have you and I as the last two split our votes it could work, but it will leave a lot of ability for the wolves to manipulate the vote otherwise.

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