Werewolf XX - Of Demons and Elementals (Humans Win!) - Page 33

Coffee Warlord · 01-04-2006, 08:55 AM

Dawn approaches. You all crash early last night, pleased you rid the world of a demon conspirator. However, something quite strange happens in the night. As you wake up with the sun just about to rise, something quite strange occurs. The sun...stops. And shrinks. And proceeds to burst into millions of tiny pieces, showering the sky. For almost 5 minutes, total darkness descends across the world, till finally the sun re-appears and all is well with the world.

Soon you figure out why. Dacman is missing. Where he slept is now nothing more than a smoldering ruin, all trace of his existance has been eradicated!

Stranger yet...there is only one sacrifice out this morning, that of a flayed trout.

DAY 5 DEADLINE - 9am Thursday

Active List
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1 Ardent Enthusiast
2 Blade6119
3 Schmidty, Human, Lynched Day 1
4 Dacman, Elemental, Murdered Night 4
5 Hoopsguy
6 SnDvls, Demon, Throat Slit Night 3
7 Passacaglia
8 Path12
9 St.Cronin
10 Grammaticus, Demon, Lynched Day 4
11 TazFTW
12 Saldana, Human, Murdered Night 2, Resurrected
13 WVUFAN
14 Kingfc22, Human, Poisoned in his Sleep Night 2, Resurrected
15 Barkeep49
16 dubb93

path12 · 01-04-2006, 09:30 AM

OK, I don't know what to make of that, but I do want to throw out my theory on the whole deal with Taz and myself. After rereading the roles, and doing some thinking on this, I believe that we are both telling the truth, and I also think that we may be a little off on our thinking of the tiebreak.

Bottom line, I think that my/taz's votes, and any other soldier under WVU carry a greater weight rather than an absolute tiebreak. I believe that Schmidty also had this role, and that it is the lowest basic villager in this game.

So where that has me thinking is roles. 16 all together. 2 elementals, 2/3 demons, warlock, druid, seer, assassin, lord, grizzled soldier, 3/4 basic soldiers, the asst seer role of King (for lack of a better description) and I know I'm missing another role that I can't think of offhand.

Elementals: Dacman, Cronin
Demons: Sun, Gram, ?
Warlock: ?
Lord: Blade
Grizzled soldier: WVU
Basic soldiers: Path, Taz, Schmidty
Seer: ?
Asst Seer: King?
Assassin: Dubb
Druid: ?

Thoughts?

Barkeep49 · 01-04-2006, 09:40 AM

Don't forget priest which is my role for reserection of the dead. I'm not quite sold on your breakdown, however.

Barkeep49 · 01-04-2006, 09:42 AM

I know he was once good. However, he was brought back by less than ideal means. It only follows that the demons would have some sort of way to resserect a human for their nefarious purposes. Therefore I am, as promised, going to start the day by

Voting Saldana

I do this rather than the Taz/Path tie attempt as I think that the demons, if one of them is a demon, would conspire to prevent that from occuring. However, if the situation arises I am more than willing to go for the tie

path12 · 01-04-2006, 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Don't forget priest which is my role for reserection of the dead. I'm not quite sold on your breakdown, however.

Right, I knew I was forgetting (at least) one. Could you elaborate more on your questions about the breakdown?

Passacaglia · 01-04-2006, 10:05 AM

I don't get this at all.

Barkeep49 · 01-04-2006, 10:06 AM

I now have reason to trust ardent and there appears to be no place for him on the chart. I think it's more likely there are 3/4 demons then 2 or 3. And that would be before the possible transformation of saldana into demon.

hoopsguy · 01-04-2006, 10:17 AM

I'm now at a point where I want to reveal my role, as I think we are in a strong position and I can clear a couple of people.

I'm the seer. I viewed Barkeep last night. He is exactly what he says he is.

Here is a rundown of what I have done, night by night:
Night 0 - Dubb - human
Night 1 - Dacman - elemental
Night 2 - Cronin - elemental
Night 3 - Ardent - human
Night 4 - Barkeep - human

So with Barkeep telling the truth about his role I will trust his vouch for King.

And I expect to now be available for most of the day, as my client from this morning ended up cancelling ... after I drove out there

Barkeep49 · 01-04-2006, 10:21 AM

Ok so here's who I have as human:

Hoops, Blade, dubb, Ardent, King, Barkeep

Elemental:
Cronin

Unknowns:
Saldana, Taz, Pass, Path

I would say we're in very good shape indeed.

Poli · 01-04-2006, 10:23 AM

Well...that certainly clears some stuff up.

Poli · 01-04-2006, 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Ok so here's who I have as human:

Hoops, Blade, dubb, Ardent, King, Barkeep

Elemental:
Cronin

Unknowns:
Saldana, Taz, Pass, Path

I would say we're in very good shape indeed.

Absolutely. I'd guess one elemental and one demon. It appears we may have taken out the warlock as well.
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Edit to add: Or two demons, with the uncertainty of saldana.

Poli · 01-04-2006, 10:25 AM

Vote Saldana

He worked real hard to discredit barkeep and king's resurrection.

hoopsguy · 01-04-2006, 10:27 AM

WVUfan wasn't on your list, Barkeep.

We have seen him use his tie-break power already. Unless we think he manufactured the "grizzled soldier" role and that a demon got the tie-break power I think we can put him in the human column.

hoopsguy · 01-04-2006, 10:29 AM

I'm thinking Saldana and Passacaglia are the demons, with Taz and Path having the roles they claim.

No rush to vote here, but that is where I'm leaning now.

path12 · 01-04-2006, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

Absolutely. I'd guess one elemental and one demon. It appears we may have taken out the warlock as well.
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Edit to add: Or two demons, with the uncertainty of saldana.

We would know for sure if we got the warlock wouldn't we? I thought Coffee was pretty clear that that would be spelled out explicitly.

Poli · 01-04-2006, 10:31 AM

Ah, good point. That's...weird then.

path12 · 01-04-2006, 10:35 AM

So if we're thinking Pass and Saldana (assuming Taz and I are good) and we know Saldana isn't the warlock, I'll put it out there:

VOTE PASSACAGLIA

Barkeep49 · 01-04-2006, 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

WVUfan wasn't on your list, Barkeep.

We have seen him use his tie-break power already. Unless we think he manufactured the "grizzled soldier" role and that a demon got the tie-break power I think we can put him in the human column.

I knew I was missing someone. Yes I agree WVU is a known human.

saldana · 01-04-2006, 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

Vote Saldana

He worked real hard to discredit barkeep and king's resurrection.

if you go back and look at this, i didnt try to discredit anyone, all i said was that i am not a demon, and it would make alot more sense for the demons to have brought back king than me.

path, you also left out my bard role

and i find it very interesting that path found the need to change his statements about his role now that the focus was switching to him...he was perfectly content to leave it out there that he had a tiebreaking role, and today he comes back with a "different weight" story.

vote path12

hoopsguy · 01-04-2006, 10:49 AM

Path, I think there is more risk on a vote for Pass because it is hard for me to conceive that Saldana is not a demon (slight chance of elemental, if Gram wasn't pure fiction yesterday).

Also, we don't know what the elemental victory conditions are. I would intuitively think it is good for us to kill the demon warlock, but I don't absolutely know that.

Just laying out what is part of my thought process ...

Random notes - I'm curious who poisoned King if it wasn't our buddy Dubb. And if there is some way that could come back to bite us. I've cleared Barkeep, and thus I believe that Barkeep raised King, but that doesn't make me 100% sure of King (close, but not 100%) like it does for the people I have scanned.

Poli · 01-04-2006, 10:50 AM

I believe Saldana is bad.

I'd like to hear what roles Pass, Path, and Taz have. Specifically, that is.

I'd guess one is the druid, one is the warlock, and one is an elemental. Hearing who they are and what they've done with their roles will help me believe them.

Barkeep49 · 01-04-2006, 10:52 AM

Ardent could we get a full description of your role at this point?

hoopsguy · 01-04-2006, 11:03 AM

Barkeep, I didn't give it because AE had not given it. I'll just vouch for him as human and let him take it from there.

Barkeep49 · 01-04-2006, 11:04 AM

Yeah I wasn't expecting you to hoops.

I just called silos and they only accept reservations for 6 or more so we'll just have to wait for a table. I'm not going to say what I'm wearing, but I think you'll be able to recognize me anyway.

hoopsguy · 01-04-2006, 11:05 AM

Dola - there wasn't much room for interpretation on AE - pretty clearly human. Same story for you.

Dubb, just a little bit as he was human but a creature of the night. I left room in my mind for him as a turncoat, but his soul was untainted by demon influence or something along those lines.

Poli · 01-04-2006, 11:14 AM

I don't see why not.

I'm the village merchant. As such, I'm often buying, selling, and trading for goods and information. When it comes to information, I had to leave the village silently at night and drop off what I know at a secure location. The next night I would go out and find new information there. I wasn't told who I was trading with and still haven't figured it out. I started out with "There is a duke in the village". I felt that was harmless enough and decided to try and trade it on day 0's night. On day 1 night I went out for my return, and was told that the villagers had obtained favor for day 1.

This is why I felt Saldana's story was bogus. If we obtained favor, why is it the demons kill attempt was covered up. Maybe my information was bogus, I don't know.

So, I was stuck. I didn't get much for my return. I decided to make something up. Day 2 night I went out and left the note "The druid is dubb93". I had nothing, so I just guessed. Day 3 night I find, "Grammaticus is a demon." I also found out I was scanned, by hoops as it so happens. I haven't bothered trading again, as I'm sure I made someone very unhappy with my bogus information.

Hoops can verify my role.

path12 · 01-04-2006, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by saldana

and i find it very interesting that path found the need to change his statements about his role now that the focus was switching to him...he was perfectly content to leave it out there that he had a tiebreaking role, and today he comes back with a "different weight" story.

Yep, my statements have changed and I can certainly understand why that looks 'interesting'. I have no excuse for it, I made some sloppy replies in the thread without really looking at the role.

I am a soldier of this fortress, surrounded by psychopaths and magicians. However, my disipline and loyalty are unquestioned which gives me, along with any other common soldier extra weight in times of crisis.

The part I bolded is what made me realize my earlier mistake. You can lynch me for that if you want, but all I can say is that it's a waste.

path12 · 01-04-2006, 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Path, I think there is more risk on a vote for Pass because it is hard for me to conceive that Saldana is not a demon (slight chance of elemental, if Gram wasn't pure fiction yesterday).

Good point. I'll leave it as is for now, but will be willing to switch if needed. Especially since Saldana is pointing at me now.

hoopsguy · 01-04-2006, 11:42 AM

AE, I can't completely verify your role, but there is nothing in that story that conflicts with what I received in the scan. And I have no reason to doubt you.

It isn't like the PM said "Ardent likes to barter" - CW doesn't make it quite that easy.

Poli · 01-04-2006, 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

AE, I can't completely verify your role, but there is nothing in that story that conflicts with what I received in the scan. And I have no reason to doubt you.

It isn't like the PM said "Ardent likes to barter" - CW doesn't make it quite that easy.

Ah, see, I didn't know that.

hoopsguy · 01-04-2006, 11:55 AM

OK, have a couple of things I'm chewing on now, just to divert a little bit from lynch decisions.

1.) Who poisoned King on Night 1?
2.) Who killed Dacman last night? Demons or other elemental?
3.) If we didn't get the warlock, then why was there only one offering?
4.) Who is supplying AE with information? Not me, as I relied on him for the "Gram is demon" play yesterday. I knew he was a human and he was certain on his info. In hindsight, following him may have been a little reckless - it worked out, but I would like to know who is behind the wheel anyways.

hoopsguy · 01-04-2006, 11:59 AM

And I'm happy to talk lynch as well - it just seems that we have one very good candidate and one pretty good candidate for a demon lynch.

If we had the answers to the above questions then I think we get a better understanding of elemental victory conditions.

What I'm worried about is that the elementals could potentially hit their winning condition before we do and end the game handing us a loss. Sure we beat the demons, but I want the gold medal instead of silver.

I'm sure the demons are big fans of any humans thinking in these terms ...

st.cronin · 01-04-2006, 12:01 PM

As things stand now, without help from the elementals, the demons WILL lose.

path12 · 01-04-2006, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

As things stand now, without help from the elementals, the demons WILL lose.

Cronin, do you expect help for the demons from the elementals?

hoopsguy · 01-04-2006, 12:09 PM

Cronin, were you involved with what happened to Dacman last night? And now that he is deceased are you comfortable discussing your relationship with him in this game?

Cronin, are the elementals able to win along with the villagers?

Feel like sharing why there was only one sacrifice last night?

st.cronin · 01-04-2006, 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by path12

Cronin, do you expect help for the demons from the elementals?

No. In fact, I expect the elementals to be much more active in siding with the humans now.

Blade6119 · 01-04-2006, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

OK, have a couple of things I'm chewing on now, just to divert a little bit from lynch decisions.

1.) Who poisoned King on Night 1?

I dont know, but im guessing in my mind it was pass...not sure though

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

2.) Who killed Dacman last night? Demons or other elemental?

Demons, as if you read the active player list dacman says murdered, just like other wolf kills. And its possible whoever was his wolf cohert believed what he said yesterday and wanted one less elemental.

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

3.) If we didn't get the warlock, then why was there only one offering?

Maybe to kill an elemental means no offering that night to the elementals

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

4.) Who is supplying AE with information? Not me, as I relied on him for the "Gram is demon" play yesterday. I knew he was a human and he was certain on his info. In hindsight, following him may have been a little reckless - it worked out, but I would like to know who is behind the wheel anyways.

Sounded like cronin to me, but im not sure.

st.cronin · 01-04-2006, 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Cronin, were you involved with what happened to Dacman last night? And now that he is deceased are you comfortable discussing your relationship with him in this game?

Cronin, are the elementals able to win along with the villagers?

Feel like sharing why there was only one sacrifice last night?

I don't know what happened to dacman.

The elementals have victory conditions - but it is wrong to think that if we win, the humans (or demons) can't win. Their victory conditions are byzantine and pretty much impossible to reach, and change every day.

Blade6119 · 01-04-2006, 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

I'm now at a point where I want to reveal my role, as I think we are in a strong position and I can clear a couple of people.

I'm the seer. I viewed Barkeep last night. He is exactly what he says he is.

Here is a rundown of what I have done, night by night:
Night 0 - Dubb - human
Night 1 - Dacman - elemental
Night 2 - Cronin - elemental
Night 3 - Ardent - human
Night 4 - Barkeep - human

So with Barkeep telling the truth about his role I will trust his vouch for King.

And I expect to now be available for most of the day, as my client from this morning ended up cancelling ... after I drove out there

Quote:

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

I don't see why not.

I'm the village merchant. As such, I'm often buying, selling, and trading for goods and information. When it comes to information, I had to leave the village silently at night and drop off what I know at a secure location. The next night I would go out and find new information there. I wasn't told who I was trading with and still haven't figured it out. I started out with "There is a duke in the village". I felt that was harmless enough and decided to try and trade it on day 0's night. On day 1 night I went out for my return, and was told that the villagers had obtained favor for day 1.

This is why I felt Saldana's story was bogus. If we obtained favor, why is it the demons kill attempt was covered up. Maybe my information was bogus, I don't know.

So, I was stuck. I didn't get much for my return. I decided to make something up. Day 2 night I went out and left the note "The druid is dubb93". I had nothing, so I just guessed. Day 3 night I find, "Grammaticus is a demon." I also found out I was scanned, by hoops as it so happens. I haven't bothered trading again, as I'm sure I made someone very unhappy with my bogus information.

Hoops can verify my role.

Nice, i was right on with both of you. I thought ardents role was called Deal-maker, but i figured the exact same description. And i was deadon with hoops too. Sorry to act like i didnt, but just like you didnt want to give it away i didnt want my answers to reflect you were the seer. Glad i can finally stop bluffing about it though(figured by putting you under the microscope of suspicion you wolves would leave you alone last night)

Passacaglia · 01-04-2006, 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

I believe Saldana is bad.

I'd like to hear what roles Pass, Path, and Taz have. Specifically, that is.

I'd guess one is the druid, one is the warlock, and one is an elemental. Hearing who they are and what they've done with their roles will help me believe them.

I'd rather not reveal my role just yet -- I've gotten into trouble for that in past games. If push comes to shove, I will, though.

Blade6119 · 01-04-2006, 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I'd rather not reveal my role just yet -- I've gotten into trouble for that in past games. If push comes to shove, I will, though.

Thats not a great answer at this point in the game. We have 1-2 demons left and very few suspects left. So either you need to help out the villagers if you are one or wait to be lynched. Earlier in the game i didnt want role reveals, but were have a big enough advantage i think they will do nothing but help now. You make your own call from there, but every day i grow more worrisome of you

hoopsguy · 01-04-2006, 01:08 PM

Pass, we'll eventually figure out your role if you are uncomfortable with a reveal. The part that is troubling is that no one is currently in a position to vouch for you. Which leaves you pretty isolated and high on the suspect lists.

My biggest worry at this point is making a bad assumption and hanging the druid. That is an even bigger worry than the elemental victory conditions for me at the moment.

Passacaglia · 01-04-2006, 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Pass, we'll eventually figure out your role if you are uncomfortable with a reveal. The part that is troubling is that no one is currently in a position to vouch for you. Which leaves you pretty isolated and high on the suspect lists.

My biggest worry at this point is making a bad assumption and hanging the druid. That is an even bigger worry than the elemental victory conditions for me at the moment.

I'm not the druid. Take that for what it's worth.

st.cronin · 01-04-2006, 02:16 PM

I don't think anybody has been honest about their role yet.

TazFTW · 01-04-2006, 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by path12

Yep, my statements have changed and I can certainly understand why that looks 'interesting'. I have no excuse for it, I made some sloppy replies in the thread without really looking at the role.

I am a soldier of this fortress, surrounded by psychopaths and magicians. However, my disipline and loyalty are unquestioned which gives me, along with any other common soldier extra weight in times of crisis.

The part I bolded is what made me realize my earlier mistake. You can lynch me for that if you want, but all I can say is that it's a waste.

And with that, path12 has moved into my circle of trust.

saldana · 01-04-2006, 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by st.cronin

I don't think anybody has been honest about their role yet.

i have been, both times (1st life and 2nd life) and no one ever believes me.

Passacaglia · 01-04-2006, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

I don't think anybody has been honest about their role yet.

So you think I am the druid?

path12 · 01-04-2006, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by TazFTW

And with that, path12 has moved into my circle of trust.

I was hoping you would say that.

st.cronin · 01-04-2006, 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

So you think I am the druid?

I think you're not going to survive.

Poli · 01-04-2006, 03:09 PM

I think I may have just figured out who is who.

01-04-2006, 08:55 AM	#1601
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	Dawn approaches. You all crash early last night, pleased you rid the world of a demon conspirator. However, something quite strange happens in the night. As you wake up with the sun just about to rise, something quite strange occurs. The sun...stops. And shrinks. And proceeds to burst into millions of tiny pieces, showering the sky. For almost 5 minutes, total darkness descends across the world, till finally the sun re-appears and all is well with the world. Soon you figure out why. Dacman is missing. Where he slept is now nothing more than a smoldering ruin, all trace of his existance has been eradicated! Stranger yet...there is only one sacrifice out this morning, that of a flayed trout. DAY 5 DEADLINE - 9am Thursday Active List ----------- 1 Ardent Enthusiast 2 Blade6119 3 Schmidty, Human, Lynched Day 1 4 Dacman, Elemental, Murdered Night 4 5 Hoopsguy 6 SnDvls, Demon, Throat Slit Night 3 7 Passacaglia 8 Path12 9 St.Cronin 10 Grammaticus, Demon, Lynched Day 4 11 TazFTW 12 Saldana, Human, Murdered Night 2, Resurrected 13 WVUFAN 14 Kingfc22, Human, Poisoned in his Sleep Night 2, Resurrected 15 Barkeep49 16 dubb93 Last edited by Coffee Warlord : 01-04-2006 at 08:56 AM.

01-04-2006, 09:30 AM	#1602
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	OK, I don't know what to make of that, but I do want to throw out my theory on the whole deal with Taz and myself. After rereading the roles, and doing some thinking on this, I believe that we are both telling the truth, and I also think that we may be a little off on our thinking of the tiebreak. Bottom line, I think that my/taz's votes, and any other soldier under WVU carry a greater weight rather than an absolute tiebreak. I believe that Schmidty also had this role, and that it is the lowest basic villager in this game. So where that has me thinking is roles. 16 all together. 2 elementals, 2/3 demons, warlock, druid, seer, assassin, lord, grizzled soldier, 3/4 basic soldiers, the asst seer role of King (for lack of a better description) and I know I'm missing another role that I can't think of offhand. Elementals: Dacman, Cronin Demons: Sun, Gram, ? Warlock: ? Lord: Blade Grizzled soldier: WVU Basic soldiers: Path, Taz, Schmidty Seer: ? Asst Seer: King? Assassin: Dubb Druid: ? Thoughts? __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

01-04-2006, 09:42 AM	#1604
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	I know he was once good. However, he was brought back by less than ideal means. It only follows that the demons would have some sort of way to resserect a human for their nefarious purposes. Therefore I am, as promised, going to start the day by Voting Saldana I do this rather than the Taz/Path tie attempt as I think that the demons, if one of them is a demon, would conspire to prevent that from occuring. However, if the situation arises I am more than willing to go for the tie Last edited by Barkeep49 : 01-04-2006 at 09:43 AM.

01-04-2006, 10:06 AM	#1607
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	I now have reason to trust ardent and there appears to be no place for him on the chart. I think it's more likely there are 3/4 demons then 2 or 3. And that would be before the possible transformation of saldana into demon. Last edited by Barkeep49 : 01-04-2006 at 10:06 AM.

01-04-2006, 10:23 AM	#1610
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	Well...that certainly clears some stuff up. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

01-04-2006, 09:40 AM	#1603
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Don't forget priest which is my role for reserection of the dead. I'm not quite sold on your breakdown, however.

01-04-2006, 10:05 AM	#1606
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	I don't get this at all.

01-04-2006, 10:17 AM	#1608
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	I'm now at a point where I want to reveal my role, as I think we are in a strong position and I can clear a couple of people. I'm the seer. I viewed Barkeep last night. He is exactly what he says he is. Here is a rundown of what I have done, night by night: Night 0 - Dubb - human Night 1 - Dacman - elemental Night 2 - Cronin - elemental Night 3 - Ardent - human Night 4 - Barkeep - human So with Barkeep telling the truth about his role I will trust his vouch for King. And I expect to now be available for most of the day, as my client from this morning ended up cancelling ... after I drove out there

01-04-2006, 10:21 AM	#1609
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Ok so here's who I have as human: Hoops, Blade, dubb, Ardent, King, Barkeep Elemental: Cronin Unknowns: Saldana, Taz, Pass, Path I would say we're in very good shape indeed.

01-04-2006, 10:25 AM	#1612
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	Vote Saldana He worked real hard to discredit barkeep and king's resurrection. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

01-04-2006, 10:27 AM	#1613
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	WVUfan wasn't on your list, Barkeep. We have seen him use his tie-break power already. Unless we think he manufactured the "grizzled soldier" role and that a demon got the tie-break power I think we can put him in the human column.

01-04-2006, 10:29 AM	#1614
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	I'm thinking Saldana and Passacaglia are the demons, with Taz and Path having the roles they claim. No rush to vote here, but that is where I'm leaning now.

01-04-2006, 10:31 AM	#1616
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	Ah, good point. That's...weird then. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

01-04-2006, 10:35 AM	#1617
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	So if we're thinking Pass and Saldana (assuming Taz and I are good) and we know Saldana isn't the warlock, I'll put it out there: VOTE PASSACAGLIA __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

01-04-2006, 10:49 AM	#1620
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Path, I think there is more risk on a vote for Pass because it is hard for me to conceive that Saldana is not a demon (slight chance of elemental, if Gram wasn't pure fiction yesterday). Also, we don't know what the elemental victory conditions are. I would intuitively think it is good for us to kill the demon warlock, but I don't absolutely know that. Just laying out what is part of my thought process ... Random notes - I'm curious who poisoned King if it wasn't our buddy Dubb. And if there is some way that could come back to bite us. I've cleared Barkeep, and thus I believe that Barkeep raised King, but that doesn't make me 100% sure of King (close, but not 100%) like it does for the people I have scanned.

01-04-2006, 10:50 AM	#1621
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	I believe Saldana is bad. I'd like to hear what roles Pass, Path, and Taz have. Specifically, that is. I'd guess one is the druid, one is the warlock, and one is an elemental. Hearing who they are and what they've done with their roles will help me believe them. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

01-04-2006, 10:52 AM	#1622
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Ardent could we get a full description of your role at this point?

01-04-2006, 11:03 AM	#1623
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Barkeep, I didn't give it because AE had not given it. I'll just vouch for him as human and let him take it from there.

01-04-2006, 11:04 AM	#1624
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Yeah I wasn't expecting you to hoops. I just called silos and they only accept reservations for 6 or more so we'll just have to wait for a table. I'm not going to say what I'm wearing, but I think you'll be able to recognize me anyway.

01-04-2006, 11:05 AM	#1625
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Dola - there wasn't much room for interpretation on AE - pretty clearly human. Same story for you. Dubb, just a little bit as he was human but a creature of the night. I left room in my mind for him as a turncoat, but his soul was untainted by demon influence or something along those lines.

01-04-2006, 11:14 AM	#1626
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	I don't see why not. I'm the village merchant. As such, I'm often buying, selling, and trading for goods and information. When it comes to information, I had to leave the village silently at night and drop off what I know at a secure location. The next night I would go out and find new information there. I wasn't told who I was trading with and still haven't figured it out. I started out with "There is a duke in the village". I felt that was harmless enough and decided to try and trade it on day 0's night. On day 1 night I went out for my return, and was told that the villagers had obtained favor for day 1. This is why I felt Saldana's story was bogus. If we obtained favor, why is it the demons kill attempt was covered up. Maybe my information was bogus, I don't know. So, I was stuck. I didn't get much for my return. I decided to make something up. Day 2 night I went out and left the note "The druid is dubb93". I had nothing, so I just guessed. Day 3 night I find, "Grammaticus is a demon." I also found out I was scanned, by hoops as it so happens. I haven't bothered trading again, as I'm sure I made someone very unhappy with my bogus information. Hoops can verify my role. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

01-04-2006, 11:42 AM	#1629
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	AE, I can't completely verify your role, but there is nothing in that story that conflicts with what I received in the scan. And I have no reason to doubt you. It isn't like the PM said "Ardent likes to barter" - CW doesn't make it quite that easy.

01-04-2006, 11:55 AM	#1631
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	OK, have a couple of things I'm chewing on now, just to divert a little bit from lynch decisions. 1.) Who poisoned King on Night 1? 2.) Who killed Dacman last night? Demons or other elemental? 3.) If we didn't get the warlock, then why was there only one offering? 4.) Who is supplying AE with information? Not me, as I relied on him for the "Gram is demon" play yesterday. I knew he was a human and he was certain on his info. In hindsight, following him may have been a little reckless - it worked out, but I would like to know who is behind the wheel anyways.

01-04-2006, 11:59 AM	#1632
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	And I'm happy to talk lynch as well - it just seems that we have one very good candidate and one pretty good candidate for a demon lynch. If we had the answers to the above questions then I think we get a better understanding of elemental victory conditions. What I'm worried about is that the elementals could potentially hit their winning condition before we do and end the game handing us a loss. Sure we beat the demons, but I want the gold medal instead of silver. I'm sure the demons are big fans of any humans thinking in these terms ...

01-04-2006, 12:01 PM	#1633
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	As things stand now, without help from the elementals, the demons WILL lose. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

01-04-2006, 12:09 PM	#1635
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Cronin, were you involved with what happened to Dacman last night? And now that he is deceased are you comfortable discussing your relationship with him in this game? Cronin, are the elementals able to win along with the villagers? Feel like sharing why there was only one sacrifice last night?

01-04-2006, 01:08 PM	#1642
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Pass, we'll eventually figure out your role if you are uncomfortable with a reveal. The part that is troubling is that no one is currently in a position to vouch for you. Which leaves you pretty isolated and high on the suspect lists. My biggest worry at this point is making a bad assumption and hanging the druid. That is an even bigger worry than the elemental victory conditions for me at the moment.

01-04-2006, 02:16 PM	#1644
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	I don't think anybody has been honest about their role yet. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

01-04-2006, 03:09 PM	#1650
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	I think I may have just figured out who is who. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

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