12-01-2021, 05:35 PM | #1601 |
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Sure, I definitely think that's the flip side of the same coin. I just think it should be as much as possible about the accomplishments or lack thereof of a particular year's players.
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12-01-2021, 07:21 PM | #1602 |
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Notre Dame DC announced as the next coach and is the smart move.
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12-01-2021, 07:47 PM | #1603 |
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I really thought they would wait for Luke Fickell.
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12-01-2021, 07:54 PM | #1604 | |
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Oh why do that, when you can just hand the keys over to a guy that's never been a head coach at any level of football. I mean, what could possibly go wrong?
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12-01-2021, 08:01 PM | #1605 |
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For all we know they talked to Fickell and he told them to shove the job. Or maybe not, just sayin that we don't know if they tried.
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12-01-2021, 08:05 PM | #1606 |
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It really didn't look like Fickell was playing hard to get.
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12-01-2021, 08:07 PM | #1607 | |
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At, like it or not, one of the elite programs in the country. Maybe this is all part of the plan to weaken Notre Dame so they can get pulled into a conference in a decade Tho Hanlon's razor suggests they're just morons SI
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12-01-2021, 08:12 PM | #1608 |
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I think it would have been worth it to wait until the playoffs are set. If the committee screws Cincy I expect Fickell would be looking to move.
But I've read that the admin really loves Freeman and sees him as a good culture fit. We'll see.
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12-01-2021, 08:38 PM | #1609 |
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Ask Memphis basketball how that sort of thing works out.
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12-01-2021, 08:41 PM | #1610 | |
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If the target is to compete for a national championship against the S3C teams what do they have to lose ? They are already getting spanked everytime they get into the playoff. Freeman is credited with the last two very good recruiting classes and the players appear to like him a lot more than Kelly. Last edited by Galaril : 12-01-2021 at 08:43 PM. |
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12-01-2021, 08:48 PM | #1611 |
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Fickell and family are such a great fit for Notre Dame that I'm surprised they aren't waiting the extra few weeks regardless of the short term implications. I think Freeman is a really good coach and he should do well but Fickell and his wife are the ultimate Catholic coaching poster models.
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12-01-2021, 08:55 PM | #1612 |
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Missouri promoted their DC who was a good coach and the players loved. They tanked under that guy and he is now the DC at Arkansas.
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12-01-2021, 08:56 PM | #1613 | |
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Could it be a money thing? Despite the big name, they don't seem to pay their coaches all that much. Kelly was making some patry numbers early in his tenure. Guessing its a mix of reluctance to wade into the current coaching carousel with the huge contracts being given out. And some arrogance that they are Notre Dame and its a privilege to coach and play for them. |
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12-01-2021, 09:07 PM | #1614 |
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12-01-2021, 09:31 PM | #1615 | |
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12-01-2021, 09:44 PM | #1616 |
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I've said the "whole time" (36 hours?) that I don't love the idea of a 1st time HC at ND, but Fickell was the only one I thought was a home run, timing made it awkward, and if they got the sense he might say no (waiting on OSU if Day leaves to the Bears?) I'll take Freeman. Lower floor for sure, but I also think his ceiling is higher than Matt Campbell or Pat Fitzgerald, it keeps recruiting classes intact & even Tommy Rees (who I don't love) staying on as OC should help because there's a little continuity on the offensive side. |
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12-01-2021, 09:47 PM | #1618 | |
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Why would anyone want continuity with that offense though? A year from now he'll be replaced in order to take heat off the HC.
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12-01-2021, 09:50 PM | #1619 |
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Ehh, I doubt it's a money thing. BK may have left or not given us the chance to match because he didn't think we'd pay the $$$, I 100% didn't want Urban Meyer but not taking a shot may have been a money things, but I very much doubt a Fickell turned us down because we weren't paying enough, or Campbell/Fitzgerald would have.
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12-01-2021, 09:57 PM | #1620 | |
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I'm not a Rees Stan, but he's not Tony Elliot over here & given the DC being promoted to HC situation I don't mind bringing him back. If he sucks & Freeman plays that card in a year or two so be it, but given all the parts & timing it makes sense. |
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12-01-2021, 09:59 PM | #1621 |
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I will add on to the 1st time HC thing that I think so much of college success now is being able to teach this year's new QB the offense quickly, and idk if Freeman can recruit/teach/delegate that effectively, but seems worth it. At least it'll be a breath of fresh air not rooting for a douchebag haha
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12-01-2021, 10:08 PM | #1622 |
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Dola Dola I also can't blame them because I didn't anticipate it, but it's clear the early signing period NEEDS to be at least a week past the actual end of the season/title games.
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12-01-2021, 10:25 PM | #1623 | |
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Well, we don't know football very well at Kansas, so go easy on me and I look at this with a more basketball mentality. If Bill Self were gone tomorrow, I don't want to hear our AD say something ridiculous like "We're staying in the family and our next coach is Jon Scheyer/Hubert Davis". I want the best coach for the job, "the family" be damned. At a blue blood program (which Notre Dame definitely is), I should be calling up successful power five coaches who haven't jumped to elite programs and see which ones actually have interest. For KU, I would have started with guys like Chris Beard prior to this year (hell, I probably still make that call) or guys who probably aren't leaving but you have to ask like Tony Bennett or Jay Wright. Then you start looking at people like Matt Painter, Chris Holtmann, or Chris Mack who have had consistent success, even if not elite, at P5-level schools. Then, even if they fail by your school's standards (i.e. miss the tournament or never make it out of the second round after 5 years), your program hasn't fallen too far and there may be better prospects next coaching cycle. Now a bit of this is messed up because the silly season this year is downright silly with so many jobs open. I'm not sure what name I put to this list beside Fickell. I already mentioned that Campbell has had a lot of shine taken off his star this year. Fitzgerald is interesting, but only if you think he can recruit nationally. Northwestern is such a weird job. But I'd still take one of those over the coordinator gamble. That's not to say Freeman won't be a good coach - but he has to go prove it somewhere else before I turn over my blue blood to him. He may be really good but with never having been a head coach, the floor is really low and that's too dangerous to me. SI
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12-01-2021, 10:42 PM | #1624 | |
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This. I think some people are underestimating how much waiting costs due to that with the whole 'wait for Fickell' approach. Waiting can cost just as much as hiring the wrong coach in the current environment. That's not a situation that encourages good decisions, but it is what it is. Waiting means handing everyone else a recruiting advantage that will reverberate for several years. You just can't have uncertainty about the coach at a major program this close to the signing period. |
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12-02-2021, 06:05 AM | #1625 |
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Kirby Smart first and only Head Coaching job is Georgia. It can work with the right guy.
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12-02-2021, 06:34 AM | #1626 | |
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'course, Kirby was at Bama basically as long as Freeman has been coaching period. He won his first Ass't of the Year award a year before Freeman became a graduate assistant at Ohio State.
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12-02-2021, 06:51 AM | #1627 |
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Sure, and I am not saying Freeman=Kirby. Freeman might be a complete bust, but he might not. Hiring cordinators are always a more of a gamble, but they can at times pay off.
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12-02-2021, 07:05 AM | #1628 |
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All HC were first time HC at one point. Some were never even coordinators and they turned out to be good HC.
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Of course. But your first shot at HC isn't usually at one of the blue bloods of college football. That said, I'm not saying it can't work. Lincoln Riley, Ryan, Day, and Kirby Smart are all making it work right now. SI
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12-02-2021, 08:09 AM | #1630 | |
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Each of those examples had quite a bit more experience coaching than Freeman when made a head coach. Day 17 years, Smart 17 years, Riley 14 years, and 2 of the 3 were Broyles winners several years prior to their promotion.
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12-02-2021, 02:13 PM | #1631 |
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I swear this dude has been at Nebraska longer than Saban has been at Alabama. How does he have any eligibility left?!
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12-02-2021, 02:23 PM | #1632 |
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He's a junior. Still has the extra 'Covid' year of eligibility. First season was 2018. So ... he just hasn't been there that long
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12-02-2021, 02:26 PM | #1633 |
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Well, based on the comments to that tweet, I'm one of many who had the same thought. Was there a previous QB with a similar name or something?
EDIT - YES! Taylor Martinez. That must be why it seems like he's been around since before Jameis was at FSU.
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12-02-2021, 04:09 PM | #1634 |
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Adrian Martinez The Jordan Bohannon of college football
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12-02-2021, 04:11 PM | #1635 |
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Maybe Nebraska should just rename their QB position to Martinez.
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12-02-2021, 04:17 PM | #1636 | |
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This is a good point, but I still think it makes the decision murky. I.e., if you think Freeman is potentially a great HC but not ready yet, do you hire someone like Fickell from the outside and then watch as Freeman goes on to be an excellent HC at some other program in a few years? Hire a 'program manager' type who hopefully will just not have things fall off a cliff until Freeman is ready? Or do you hope Freeman can 'grow into' the job and take the chance, particularly when by all accounts they have a lot of support from players etc? It's definitely a risk, but I think any approach is a risk if you think Freeman has what it takes. |
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12-02-2021, 04:36 PM | #1637 |
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Saw a tweet that said Bronco Mendenhall is stepping down after Virginia's bowl game.
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12-02-2021, 08:27 PM | #1639 |
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If this isn't named The Oprah Bowl and they don't hand out The Participation Trophy to the winner, there's really no justice in the world.
One-time bowl game added to this college football season's lineup to accommodate all 84 bowl-deserving teams, document says
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This is hilarious.
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12-03-2021, 03:28 AM | #1641 |
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82 (63%) teams being bowl eligible just seemed like the perfect amount. Adding two more though, boy that's just over the top....
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12-03-2021, 07:19 AM | #1643 |
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The creation of the playoffs and the expansion of the bowls has taken away whatever luster bowls used to have.
I still like them b/c they are on TV during the Christmas/New Years time when you sometimes find yourself at some function and, hey, there's a TV here and, like, Boise St. is playing Kansas in the GoDaddy.com bowl, and that's more interesting than whatever else is going on here right now. I always seem to catch a very very random game or two every year. Last edited by albionmoonlight : 12-03-2021 at 09:44 AM. |
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12-03-2021, 12:52 PM | #1647 |
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So I've been looking at bowl predictions trying to figure out where Purdue might land (partially trying to prognosticate to see if my wife will actually be able to see it with work). I've read some places that they can't go to the Music City bowl because of B1G agreements which say a team can't go to the same bowl within a certain number of years (that was their last bowl, where they were completely obliterated by Auburn).
At the same time, I have seen "experts" slotting them for...the Music City Bowl. So, is this a rule or not?
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12-03-2021, 12:55 PM | #1648 |
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dola: College Football News even predicts a rematch against Auburn! I mean, is this people just being lazy?
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Country Fried Brian Kelly has been one of the best things to come along in awhile. I kind of hope he embraces and will keep it up, but he seems pretty narcissistic, so who knows where this will go.
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