Lakers vs Magic and the 2008-2009 NBA Playoffs/Finals Thread - Page 32

Fidatelo · 06-02-2009, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Back to hiding you go then. No surprise.

Umm... what? I don't get this whole hiding thing at all. Seriously. Any joke is hiding?

Anyways, people are trying to have a basketball discussion in here, we've probably ruined it enough. Feel free to explain the hiding thing if you care to, or PM me or something, but otherwise I'm going to do some real hiding in this thread for awhile. I actually enjoy all the interesting b-ball talk that goes on in here (despite having little of value to add due to lack of b-ball knowledge).

Chief Rum · 06-02-2009, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Fidatelo

Umm... what? I don't get this whole hiding thing at all. Seriously. Any joke is hiding?

Anyways, people are trying to have a basketball discussion in here, we've probably ruined it enough. Feel free to explain the hiding thing if you care to, or PM me or something, but otherwise I'm going to do some real hiding in this thread for awhile. I actually enjoy all the interesting b-ball talk that goes on in here (despite having little of value to add due to lack of b-ball knowledge).

Well, as you can see above, I am already participating in all that. Feel free to join in.

Fidatelo · 06-02-2009, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Well, as you can see above, I am already participating in all that. Feel free to join in.

Like I said, I enjoy reading the on topic posts, but I have nothing of value to add. I follow the NBA but don't really watch the games anymore, if that makes sense. For some reason the NBA has compelling drama, but the games no longer interest me. It's almost like wrestling in a way.

stevew · 06-02-2009, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

I think you're dreaming a little, steve. I don't think anyone will be willing to give a player like Szerbiak (sp) any decent money, even over just two years. And certainly not trade anything decent for him to get the chance to do it. Only way would be if someone was so overloaded contract-wise that a team was desperate to get rid of him.

Say...want Zach Randolph?

If the trade is Cavs players X and Y for players A, B, and C on another team, and the Cavs need to add 4 million to make the trade work, it wouldn't suprise me to see Wally get that contract. Especially if the other team needs to dump salary and ends up saving a lot of money in the long haul. So they get Wally for 4, 4.5(500k guaranteed, or whatever the minimum allowed guarantee is) and 5.0(none guaranteed).

I'd assume you know the NBA trading makes zero sense whatsoever.

DaddyTorgo · 06-02-2009, 12:26 AM

maybe i have an overinflated sense of Michael Redd's skill-level at this point and he's being horribly overpaid (he was an all-star only what...a couple seasons back?) but even given that it'd clear them a ton of room under the cap where is the incentive for the Bucks to trade him to Cleveland for the pile of horseshit that the poster above mentioned? i'd think they could at least get someone who'd be a #2 scoring option for them and a draft pick for him? instead of all those junky contracts and no real player

stevew · 06-02-2009, 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

maybe i have an overinflated sense of Michael Redd's skill-level at this point and he's being horribly overpaid (he was an all-star only what...a couple seasons back?) but even given that it'd clear them a ton of room under the cap where is the incentive for the Bucks to trade him to Cleveland for the pile of horseshit that the poster above mentioned? i'd think they could at least get someone who'd be a #2 scoring option for them and a draft pick for him? instead of all those junky contracts and no real player

Hey, we got Moe Williams for a pile of horseshit and junky contracts.
The Celts got Ray Allen for a pile of horseshit, junky contracts and the 5th pick.

These things happen

Chief Rum · 06-02-2009, 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by stevew

If the trade is Cavs players X and Y for players A, B, and C on another team, and the Cavs need to add 4 million to make the trade work, it wouldn't suprise me to see Wally get that contract. Especially if the other team needs to dump salary and ends up saving a lot of money in the long haul. So they get Wally for 4, 4.5(500k guaranteed, or whatever the minimum allowed guarantee is) and 5.0(none guaranteed).

I'd assume you know the NBA trading makes zero sense whatsoever.

Oh agreed, NBA trading in the salary cap era is abysmal and difficult to understand.

Still, I just don't see anyone giving Szczerbiak more money to do anything. Will they work a deal that includes his current deal or same money or whatever to make a deal work? I see that. But last I checked he was already way too massively overpaid on his current contract.

Plus, I don't see the Cavs trading away contracts for long term deals right now, for the simple reason that they have no idea if Lebron will be with them past 2010. If he's staying for sure, they do that sort of deal. But if they don't have him signed, they won't want to take the chance of signing two or three way overpaid players who will sink their roster for years to come after LeBron is gone. They would be in the edge of Knicks' territory then--way over the cap and no ability.

Speaking of which, did I mention the availability of Zach Randolph?

Chief Rum · 06-02-2009, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by stevew

Hey, we got Moe Williams for a pile of horseshit and junky contracts.
The Celts got Ray Allen for a pile of horseshit, junky contracts and the 5th pick.

These things happen

Wasn't Delonte West one of those piles of horseshit?

stevew · 06-02-2009, 12:46 AM

And lets be honest, who would be the best player the Cavs even get if they blocked LeBron tomorrow?

We're easily down to like the high teens to mid 20s on the latest
Bill Simmons Value Chart.

Gary Gorski · 06-02-2009, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Arles

Marion's pretty washed up. He's been traded 3 times in 2 seasons and was basically an expiring contract in Toronto (with no sniff of an extension from the Raps). But, he could certainly be had for the MLE if Cleveland wants.

Word around Phoenix is that the Shaq for Wallace plus spare parts deal may come back (the rumored deal is Shaq for Wallace+Sasha+ a pick). It saves the Suns around $3 million and gets the Cavs a low post scorer. That's about the closest thing to a bigtime deal I can see Cleveland getting.

I don't think Marion is washed up - I think Marion is who he really is and that playing for D'Antoni just inflated his stats like it does for just about everyone.

Why would the Cavs want Shaq? Z is a plenty good center - if they need to get by Orlando they need someone who can play the 4 and defend the perimeter.

DaddyTorgo · 06-02-2009, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Gary Gorski

I don't think Marion is washed up - I think Marion is who he really is and that playing for D'Antoni just inflated his stats like it does for just about everyone.

Why would the Cavs want Shaq? Z is a plenty good center - if they need to get by Orlando they need someone who can play the 4 and defend the perimeter.

because Shaq is viewed as the "magical cure" for every team that feels they are just one piece away, even if Shaq isn't the logical piece. It's kind of funny really.

Neon_Chaos · 06-02-2009, 08:01 AM

Lakers in 5 games, anyone?

Gary Gorski · 06-02-2009, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

maybe i have an overinflated sense of Michael Redd's skill-level at this point and he's being horribly overpaid (he was an all-star only what...a couple seasons back?) but even given that it'd clear them a ton of room under the cap where is the incentive for the Bucks to trade him to Cleveland for the pile of horseshit that the poster above mentioned? i'd think they could at least get someone who'd be a #2 scoring option for them and a draft pick for him? instead of all those junky contracts and no real player

The biggest incentive I could see would be if they wanted to sign Ramon Sessions. If the situation is you can afford to pay both Redd and Sessions then yeah, it doesn't make sense to trade him for little to nothing. But if you're going to lose Sessions unless you don't have to pay Redd anymore then it might be worth it.

RainMaker · 06-02-2009, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

maybe i have an overinflated sense of Michael Redd's skill-level at this point and he's being horribly overpaid (he was an all-star only what...a couple seasons back?) but even given that it'd clear them a ton of room under the cap where is the incentive for the Bucks to trade him to Cleveland for the pile of horseshit that the poster above mentioned? i'd think they could at least get someone who'd be a #2 scoring option for them and a draft pick for him? instead of all those junky contracts and no real player

I like Redd's game but I don't think he's a star in the league. Poor man's Gilbert Arenas who can't defend and is not athletic enough to create his own shot. My issue with Redd would be long term. He essentially turns into a spot-up shooter in the coming years and nothing else. A good 3rd star on a quality team.

Honestly, if I'm the Bucks, I unload him and his contract if I can. He doesn't really fit Skiles style of play and is not worth his contract in my mind.

Big Fo · 06-02-2009, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

Lakers in 5 games, anyone?

Magic in seven.

MrBug708 · 06-02-2009, 07:46 PM

years?

sterlingice · 06-02-2009, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey32

The Lakers will beat the Magic in 5 games.

I believe I also said 5 or 6 at the most. I'm hoping I'm wrong, tho.

SI

MrBug708 · 06-02-2009, 08:26 PM

I think the Magic can beat the Lakers at Staples, but I dont think they can win two games there. I dont think the Lakers can win two games down in Orlando either, but that probably wont be necessary

Chief Rum · 06-03-2009, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice

I believe I also said 5 or 6 at the most. I'm hoping I'm wrong, tho.

SI

It's okay to hope for a sweep, SI!

sterlingice · 06-03-2009, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

It's okay to hope for a sweep, SI!

Well, you know that's what I was going for

SI

Neon_Chaos · 06-04-2009, 08:19 PM

Good game, so far. Very physical.

Bynum has played well in the opening 6 minutes. He will be key to a Lakers championship.

MrBug708 · 06-04-2009, 08:31 PM

And Howard goes to the bench

Big Fo · 06-04-2009, 08:45 PM

Hell of a start for Jameer Nelson.

Neon_Chaos · 06-04-2009, 08:50 PM

Courtney Lee is being exposed as a compelte liability on defense for the Magic.

k0ruptr · 06-04-2009, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Fo

Hell of a start for Jameer Nelson.

Word, hes a spark plug he is.

Groundhog · 06-04-2009, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

Courtney Lee is being exposed as a compelte liability on defense for the Magic.

He's generally a good defender, but he's never been matched up with a guy like Kobe in a situation like this, and it shows. In the first Q Kobe could basically post him up and spin baseline at will.

Neon_Chaos · 06-04-2009, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Groundhog

He's generally a good defender, but he's never been matched up with a guy like Kobe in a situation like this, and it shows. In the first Q Kobe could basically post him up and spin baseline at will.

Luke Walton did so, as well.

MrBug708 · 06-04-2009, 09:37 PM

To be fair, Phil has been saving Walton for three years, for that exact moment

MrBug708 · 06-04-2009, 09:51 PM

Oh my Kobe

Gary Gorski · 06-04-2009, 09:52 PM

Lebron has to be watching this and wondering would it would be like to have guys like Gasol and Odom for teammates

Neon_Chaos · 06-07-2009, 09:28 PM

The Magic threes are finally falling in, and it's a close one right now with the game winding down.

Eaglesfan27 · 06-07-2009, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

The Magic threes are finally falling in, and it's a close one right now with the game winding down.

Back to back great plays by Lewis and Turkoglu. If the Magic can hold on, I like their chances to take this in 6.

Noop · 06-07-2009, 09:38 PM

Lakers with the stop and now have a chance to win. Ariza for the win.

Neon_Chaos · 06-07-2009, 09:38 PM

Here we go.

Eaglesfan27 · 06-07-2009, 09:40 PM

Great stop on Kobe!

DaddyTorgo · 06-07-2009, 09:40 PM

great block from behind by the big Turk!!

Neon_Chaos · 06-07-2009, 09:40 PM

Great defensive play by Turkoglu.

sterlingice · 06-07-2009, 09:40 PM

Wow. What a block. All ball, too!

SI

Noop · 06-07-2009, 09:40 PM

Ariza was wide open Kobe.

Neon_Chaos · 06-07-2009, 09:41 PM

Alley-oop to Howard?

Neon_Chaos · 06-07-2009, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Noop

Ariza was wide open Kobe.

So were Odom and Fisher. But come on, like there was any doubt who would shoot it.

sterlingice · 06-07-2009, 09:42 PM

Even if Turkoglu hadn't blocked that, looks like Howard was right there in front and would have.

SI

Noop · 06-07-2009, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

So were Odom and Fisher. But come on, like there was any doubt who would shoot it.

I know but damn i wanted my prediction to be right.

Neon_Chaos · 06-07-2009, 09:45 PM

HOLY SHIT.

Whew.

Two big misses by Lee in crunch time.

sterlingice · 06-07-2009, 09:45 PM

Man, great play but just missed it

SI

Big Fo · 06-07-2009, 09:45 PM

Damn Lee two missed layups in the last few minutes...

DaddyTorgo · 06-07-2009, 09:45 PM

fuck - courtney lee had it there for the taking!

Noop · 06-07-2009, 09:45 PM

What a great play if only Lee could have finished.

larrymcg421 · 06-07-2009, 09:45 PM

Great defense by Gasol on that shot.

Neon_Chaos · 06-07-2009, 09:48 PM

Odom and Bynum both have 5 fouls each. It could get iffy for the Lakers.

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stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	And lets be honest, who would be the best player the Cavs even get if they blocked LeBron tomorrow? We're easily down to like the high teens to mid 20s on the latest Bill Simmons Value Chart.

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06-02-2009, 08:26 PM	#1568
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	I think the Magic can beat the Lakers at Staples, but I dont think they can win two games there. I dont think the Lakers can win two games down in Orlando either, but that probably wont be necessary

06-04-2009, 08:31 PM	#1572
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	And Howard goes to the bench

06-04-2009, 08:45 PM	#1573
Big Fo Pro Rookie Join Date: Jan 2005	Hell of a start for Jameer Nelson.

06-04-2009, 09:37 PM	#1578
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	To be fair, Phil has been saving Walton for three years, for that exact moment

06-04-2009, 09:51 PM	#1579
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Oh my Kobe

06-07-2009, 09:28 PM	#1581
Neon_Chaos Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Parañaque, Philippines	The Magic threes are finally falling in, and it's a close one right now with the game winding down. __________________ Come and see.

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06-07-2009, 09:38 PM	#1584
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06-07-2009, 09:40 PM	#1589
Noop Bonafide Seminole Fan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Miami	Ariza was wide open Kobe. __________________ Subby's favorite woman hater.

06-07-2009, 09:41 PM	#1590
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