OT: A Song of Ice and Fire Series (spoilers inside)

[MrBug708]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

MORE TALK ABOUT DANY PLZ K THNX!!!!

Her bewbs are funny and her nips point in different directions

[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by Vince, Pt. II

But the white walker and the kid? Come on, the beauty of this series is that dragons aside, all the magic happens off-screen, so it's left to your imagination. Blech.

Eh... the magic with R'hillor (Lord of Light) happens 'on screen', so to speak. And, of course, what happens to Bran in Dance with Dragons. So I'm not entirely sure how valid that concern is.

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

MORE TALK ABOUT DANY PLZ K THNX!!!!

I bet Dany would make a great dominatrix .

[Alan T]

I thought last night's episode was ok. Not the best yet as others are saying. It felt to me just as a way to connect the dots for non-book readers as well as provide for book readers the understanding of where the show was diverging from the books in a few story lines.

[ISiddiqui]

Oh apparently, the dude that transforms Craster's son was the Night's King (or at least an HBO staffer thought so):

'Game of Thrones' Season 4 'Oathkeeper' synopsis confirms major White Walker theory - Zap2it

The crowned White Walker at the end of the episode that turns one of Craster's sons into a White Walker is the Night's King, according to the official HBO synopsis of the episode. That's pretty game-changing news for the TV series, as it is officially giving answers and exposition not in the George R.R. Martin "A Song of Ice and Fire" novels.

Update: HBO seems to have altered its posted synopsis and taken out the mention of the Night's King. Here is a screenshot of the original posting, which was posted to Reddit.

[ISiddiqui]

So, amusingly I was reading comments from people who didn't read the books and I saw a bunch of "Dany's story is boring now". They have NO idea!

[Grover]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

So, amusingly I was reading comments from people who didn't read the books and I saw a bunch of "Dany's story is boring now". They have NO idea!

Wait until they meet all the Hizdahrs, whoooo

[JPhillips]

Szyslak Mo Szyslak is my favorite.

[Vince, Pt. II]

Originally Posted by MrBug708

Not that I wanted the story to stray from the books, but it was nice to be sitting on the edge of my seat wondering what was going to happen next

This is actually a good point, and despite my complaints it was a new thing to be thinking "huh, what's this now?"

[Vince, Pt. II]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Eh... the magic with R'hillor (Lord of Light) happens 'on screen', so to speak. And, of course, what happens to Bran in Dance with Dragons. So I'm not entirely sure how valid that concern is.

Also a good point, I forgot about R'hllor, and even the warg thing with Bran etc.

The point still stands that the white walkers have been shrouded in tons of mystery and hearsay, and the show is stripping a little of that away.

[Coffee Warlord]

Yeah, just realized...90% of that episode basically dealt with the painful storylines.

Brienne, Bran, the start of Dany is Boring. Hell, all they needed to do is add Theon and the pain would be complete.

[ISiddiqui]

That much is true. Though it is a different medium and if you don't show the Others, the show watchers may be like "WTF, where did they come from", even though it was blatant foreshadowing for a while.

[cschex]

Am I the only one excited about Brienne + Pod on the show? I admit it's ponderous in the books but I really enjoy both show characters and can see a lot of potential

[Landshark44]

why do they need baby white-walkers....? they can't help much in a fight..


and do they grow up if they are dead? in the books they were inferred to be some kind of sacrifice, but..... what good do they serve the bad guys?

[ISiddiqui]

I think they are supposed to grow up. Maybe not necessarily 'dead' as much as magically animated .

[flere-imsaho]

Well, if you believe something like this, the White Walkers are simply some sort of other race, and thus the "animation" or "conversion" of humans is merely one of the ways (or the way) they continue to exist.

[PilotMan]

A nice little primer if you are like me and some of this stuff has gotten muddled over the past few years.

“Well actually, in the books…â€� 15 differences from text to TV in Game Of Thrones · Inventory · The A.V. Club

[PilotMan]

This is pretty cool. It contains potential spoilers for the books however, but even that makes the whole story more exciting.

This Accidental Game Of Thrones Spoiler Just. Changed. Everything.

[ISiddiqui]

And if this legend is true, it potentially means a lot of the legends of the world of Westeros are true, which could have major implications down the line

Um... duh? I think its been fairly well established that legends and prophecies in Westeros are based on truth and will occur in some form of another. After all, we've actually met the Children of the Forest.

[DaddyTorgo]

Yeah - I don't necessarily know that this "changes everything forever" or is going to take the tv show in a drastically different direction than the books.

I think it's mostly just book-geeks (which I am) overreacting (which I am not) to demonstrate their geek-cred.

[Coffee Warlord]

"Changes everything forever" is way way *way* over the top. At most, it's an, "oh, that's interesting." At most.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

"Changes everything forever" is way way *way* over the top. At most, it's an, "oh, that's interesting." At most.

Totally agree to be clear - was cribbing the "changes everything" from the title of that post, not my own opinion.

[Coffee Warlord]

Didn't think so.

Of course, I'm too tired to even try to read into anything, correctly or incorrectly. 9 day old kid will do that.

[saldana]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Didn't think so.

Of course, I'm too tired to even try to read into anything, correctly or incorrectly. 9 day old kid will do that.

you should probably have some coffee...it might help

congrats, btw!!!

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Of course, I'm too tired to even try to read into anything, correctly or incorrectly. 9 day old kid will do that.

[Breeze]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

Keep it down...you'll wake the baby...

[flere-imsaho]

You wake the baby, you take the baby.

[flere-imsaho]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

"Changes everything forever" is way way *way* over the top. At most, it's an, "oh, that's interesting." At most.

Yeah, I agree.

The episode confirmed two things that haven't been confirmed in the books, but could certainly be assumed:

1. The Others have a leader.
2. The Others increase their numbers by stealing and then converting babies.

On #1, it's hard to imagine people thinking the Others didn't have some sort of leader and/or hierarchy. They're not exactly zombies in that they've shown ample evidence of rational thought.

On #2, these are, again, rational beings. What do people think they had been doing with the babies? Eating them? One could have assumed a lot of things, but this conversion thing makes plenty of sense.

[flere-imsaho]

On the other hand, she did release 7 books in less than 10 years.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by flere-imsaho

On the other hand, she did release 7 books in less than 10 years.

She wrote the Battle of Hogwarts scene in early 1998?

Wasn't the 7th book released in 2007 or so? Maybe even later, 2008? So they had that one in the can some 8-10 years?

She's prolific. This only makes me more annoyed at Martin and his exhaustive writing process.

[NobodyHere]

Word count in Harry Potter series, approx 155k/book

For Game of Thrones? Approx 354k/book

[DaddyTorgo]

Haha - that's hilarious!!!

[DanGarion]

So now is this thread dead with no discussion about the current episode...?

[DaddyTorgo]

Old Nan FTW

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by DanGarion

So now is this thread dead with no discussion about the current episode...?

We can discuss the current episode, by all means.

This is book+tv show discussion.

I've just been bonkers busy at work this week.

[DanGarion]

I'm getting confused what thread is what now...

[NobodyHere]

I've stopped watching because I don't have a good way to watch HBO and all the scenes I've wanted to see this season are at the very beginning and at the very end.

[DaddyTorgo]

I know people were saying they thought it was weak and all. I didn't think it was bad.

1. Scheming Cersei being nice to everyone...cool. Needed more Oberyn though!!
2. Sansa - I'm loving her arc in the TV show, it took me so long to warm up to her in the books, the fact that it seems to be moving faster as an arc in the TV show is great.
3. Arya & Hound - HILARIOUS STILL
4. Pod & Brienne - Kinda meh.
5. Night's Watch - I didn't dig the excuse of "there are hounds in there" for not going to the one building, it didn't make sense logically. And I totally called the whole "they're not going to meet, they'll end up basically passing in the night" aspect of it. Summer and Ghost were penned up together though right? So how did one get free without the other? Or if someone from the NW set them free how come they didn't tell Jon?

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

5. Night's Watch - I didn't dig the excuse of "there are hounds in there" for not going to the one building, it didn't make sense logically. And I totally called the whole "they're not going to meet, they'll end up basically passing in the night" aspect of it. Summer and Ghost were penned up together though right? So how did one get free without the other? Or if someone from the NW set them free how come they didn't tell Jon?

Hodor freed Summer at Bran's command, and presumeably, freed Ghost as well. It was after Bran told Hodor to do this that we saw Ghost chase down the last oathbreaking Naight's Watch and then go to Jon. I actually thought that was pretty clear.

[Ronnie Dobbs3]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

She wrote the Battle of Hogwarts scene in early 1998?

It takes place in early 1998.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs3

It takes place in early 1998.

The book content actually had a specific year attached to it? I didn't recall that. I just figured it was "present time".

[Ronnie Dobbs3]

Never read them, but the Potter wiki for the Battle says May 2, 1998.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Hodor freed Summer at Bran's command, and presumeably, freed Ghost as well. It was after Bran told Hodor to do this that we saw Ghost chase down the last oathbreaking Naight's Watch and then go to Jon. I actually thought that was pretty clear.

Oh yeah, that's right. I forgot.

[flere-imsaho]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

For Game of Thrones? Approx 354k/book

Yeah, but how much of that is Mereen?

[flere-imsaho]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

5. Night's Watch - I didn't dig the excuse of "there are hounds in there" for not going to the one building, it didn't make sense logically.

I think it was "not to go by the building", based on the idea that if the hounds (actually wolves) smelled the men, they'd give them away by barking and the sneak attack wouldn't be so sneaky.

[JAG]

Originally Posted by DanGarion

So now is this thread dead with no discussion about the current episode...?

What is dead may never die, but rises again harder and stronger.

This thread won't go away until Martin finishes the series, so another 5-8 years? Assuming he's still in good health, he might keep writing stories like the Dunk and Egg stuff too.

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by flere-imsaho

Yeah, but how much of that is Mereen?

Well SoS has 6 Dany Chapters and DoD has 10 Dany chapters. Of course there's a couple Martell DoD chapters as well right?

[Ronnie Dobbs3]

The books are at least 15% food description too.

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs3

The books are at least 15% food description too.

Well that's less than the Hannibal Lecter books right?

[Vince, Pt. II]

Originally Posted by flere-imsaho

I think it was "not to go by the building", based on the idea that if the hounds (actually wolves) smelled the men, they'd give them away by barking and the sneak attack wouldn't be so sneaky.

This.