*World Cup Game Discussion Thread* (SPOILERS) - Page 31

ISiddiqui · 06-17-2006, 03:53 PM

Whew!!

A draw... now Thursday is going to be VERY interesting.

Though I wonder why Johnson didn't come in from McBride at the end.

cartman · 06-17-2006, 03:53 PM

Too bad this team didn't show up to play the Czech Republic.

kingfc22 · 06-17-2006, 03:53 PM

All I got to say is Italy sucks. Powerhouse my ass. They had a 10-9 man advantage for a full half and if it wasn't for an offsides call we would have won.

Easy Mac · 06-17-2006, 03:53 PM

going down 1-0 in 4 minutes changes a team

MrBug708 · 06-17-2006, 03:54 PM

Beasley plays like Garret Anderson. Passionless

Celeval · 06-17-2006, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Easy Mac

Either way, there needs to be two blowouts next time in our favor.

Not necessarily, 1-0 over Ghana and 1-0 Italy over the Czechs would put us through.

AlexB · 06-17-2006, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Critch

It's always hard to root for them, they're always boring, they always have talent, and they never go for the kill.

And then when they lose they whine about FIFA hating them and the referees being out to stop them win.

You're brave

Congrats on a heroic effort by the 9 men in the 2nd half

Dunleavy · 06-17-2006, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by MIJB#19

Wow. What a game. Instant classic.

ESPNC 3pm pst

rexallllsc · 06-17-2006, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Northwood_DK

If you got a yelow card you just dont make a tackle like that...

Exactly. I don't like the call but Eddie was begging for that.

Critch · 06-17-2006, 03:55 PM

looks like de Rossi is a bit of a thug. Here's a tackle of his against Switzerland in their pre-World Cup friendly:

hxxp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Esgh_pGmZac

Didn't even get a booking.

Critch · 06-17-2006, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by rexallllsc

Exactly. I don't like the call but Eddie was begging for that.

Yeah, all three sending offs were more to do with player stupidity than the referee.

MrBug708 · 06-17-2006, 03:56 PM

Hmmm...apparently the ref had been suspended for irregularity

kingfc22 · 06-17-2006, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

Beasley plays like Garret Anderson. Passionless

So we will have:
Keller
Dolo-Gooch-Boca-(Lewis, O'Brien or Conrad)
Dempsey-Reyna-Donovan-Convey
McBride-Johnson

DaddyTorgo · 06-17-2006, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by kingfc22

So we will have:
Keller
Dolo-Gooch-Boca-(Lewis, O'Brien or Conrad)
Dempsey-Reyna-Donovan-Convey
McBride-Johnson

except The Bruce has shown enough to me this WC to think that we won't come out in a 4-4-2. At BEST it will be this 4-1-4-1 thing.

Easy Mac · 06-17-2006, 03:59 PM

In spite of Bease's indifference, I'd have to say we almost need Beasely if he somehow snaps out of his bitchfest. Drop convey to left back to make some overlapping runs with bease (since they both defend). Obviously, this is the theoretical pick, assuming all things go perfectly.

MrBigglesworth · 06-17-2006, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiMatt

Nice moral victory but that doesn't mean anything. I thought this team was passed moral victories.

A tie against Italy down 9 guys to 10, is a great result for the US. I would have taken that result before the game, and definitely when they went down a man.

But why not sub? It seems obvious to me that you use a sub there, but is there some extra-advanced reason why you wouldn't?

daedalus · 06-17-2006, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by kingfc22

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Originally Posted by MrBigglesworth

Should that have been a yellow because of him being the last player back? I'm not sure of all the soccer minor rules...

No card, Dolo took a dive.

If it was a case of fouling as the last player back, it'd be a red. I don't think the US guy dove, either. It was just a simple case of an overlappying back chasing the ball and being knock down. A foul and a free kick, nothing more.

rexallllsc · 06-17-2006, 03:59 PM

Beasley was very disappointing
That yellow on Zambrotta was a sham.

Easy Mac · 06-17-2006, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

except The Bruce has shown enough to me this WC to think that we won't come out in a 4-4-2. At BEST it will be this 4-1-4-1 thing.

we don't have a x-1-x-x now that pablo's gone. Obrien can't go a whole match, and we lose reyna if we drop him back.

JonInMiddleGA · 06-17-2006, 04:00 PM

As big a mess as this was to watch, I've got to hand it to most of the US players who weren't ejected. They didn't quit, most of them left pretty much all they had on the field. AFAIC, it's a borderline miracle they didn't lose the game outright playing a man short for a full half.

rexallllsc · 06-17-2006, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by kingfc22

Keller can't keep the ball in play and if he does he kicks it past everyone.

Kellers goal kicks are atrocious. Bruce was right.

ChiMatt · 06-17-2006, 04:02 PM

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A tie against Italy down 9 guys to 10, is a great result for the US. I would have taken that result before the game, and definitely when they went down a man.

I understand what you are saying, I really do. But if you are really contenders you need to win this game. Hell, they really didn't even really score a goal. Now, they need a win and some luck to move on.

If this was the US basketball team they would be buried.

TroyF · 06-17-2006, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by MIJB#19

Wow. What a game. Instant classic.

What? Instant classic? A game tarnished by a blind, dumb, moronic ref, diving like the field was a swimming pool Italians, Beasley pathetic joke of a game and ridiculous coaching?

This was an instant classic? There was a bit of drama. Other than that, as another poster pointed out above, it was a perfect example of why the majority of Amercians can't stand the game.

DaddyTorgo · 06-17-2006, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Easy Mac

we don't have a x-1-x-x now that pablo's gone. Obrien can't go a whole match, and we lose reyna if we drop him back.

4-5-1 then? i honestly just havn't seen a lot of positive tactical thought from The Bruce in this WC (and admittedly I may be letting the "in the press" shenanigans from after the first game, and the poor tactical performances in it color my judgement) that would make me think that he would be willing to play the 4-4-2. I think he's almost...afraid. That or he's tactically outclassed now that we're no longer able to fly under people's radar...

rexallllsc · 06-17-2006, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

Hmmm...apparently the ref had been suspended for irregularity

If that's true, good thing he was referring the WC.

Blade6119 · 06-17-2006, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by rexallllsc

If that's true, good thing he was referring the WC.

In 2002 he was, and thats why he was not allowed to ref the 02 cup

rexallllsc · 06-17-2006, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

4-5-1 then? i honestly just havn't seen a lot of positive tactical thought from The Bruce in this WC (and admittedly I may be letting the "in the press" shenanigans from after the first game, and the poor tactical performances in it color my judgement) that would make me think that he would be willing to play the 4-4-2. I think he's almost...afraid. That or he's tactically outclassed now that we're no longer able to fly under people's radar...

I thought our tactics were great until we went down 2 men.

MrBug708 · 06-17-2006, 04:08 PM

What are the chances that the red to Pablo gets downgraded?

sovereignstar · 06-17-2006, 04:08 PM

Does anyone have the name of the ref in question?

Edit: nm.. it's Jorge Larrionda (Uruguay)

rexallllsc · 06-17-2006, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Blade6119

In 2002 he was, and thats why he was not allowed to ref the 02 cup

I'm just glad that someone who was so poor at one time that they wouldn't let him participate in the World Cup is now reffing...

THE WORLD CUP

MIJB#19 · 06-17-2006, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by TroyF

What? Instant classic? A game tarnished by a blind, dumb, moronic ref, diving like the field was a swimming pool Italians, Beasley pathetic joke of a game and ridiculous coaching?

This was an instant classic? There was a bit of drama. Other than that, as another poster pointed out above, it was a perfect example of why the majority of Amercians can't stand the game.

I mean, 10 years from now, this will be a game people will remember. From the drama and from the way the USA survived with 9 to 10.

I would probably have the same sentiments had my country been involved, though.

Critch · 06-17-2006, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

What are the chances that the red to Pablo gets downgraded?

Virtually zero.

Blade6119 · 06-17-2006, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by sovereignstar

Does anyone have the name of the ref in question?

Uruguayan referee Jorge Larrionda

rexallllsc · 06-17-2006, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

What are the chances that the red to Pablo gets downgraded?

I can't think high. See the thing about those reds is that they weren't illegitimate. Using common sense, Pope probably shouldn't have gotten that second yellow - but it was a cardable offense. Pablo's def. was a yellow, and the red isn't crazy.

daedalus · 06-17-2006, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Easy Mac

In spite of Bease's indifference, I'd have to say we almost need Beasely if he somehow snaps out of his bitchfest. Drop convey to left back to make some overlapping runs with bease (since they both defend). Obviously, this is the theoretical pick, assuming all things go perfectly.

Dropping Convey to left back and US gets blown out. Bad.

AlexB · 06-17-2006, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

What are the chances that the red to Pablo gets downgraded?

Zero. end of.

saldana · 06-17-2006, 04:12 PM

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saldana · 06-17-2006, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

What are the chances that the red to Pablo gets downgraded?

ive never seen FIFA do that, so it would be pretty surprising IMO....i do think a much bigger surprise would be that ref ever getting to do a world cup game again.

rexallllsc · 06-17-2006, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Easy Mac

In spite of Bease's indifference, I'd have to say we almost need Beasely if he somehow snaps out of his bitchfest. Drop convey to left back to make some overlapping runs with bease (since they both defend). Obviously, this is the theoretical pick, assuming all things go perfectly.

I don't know. He's not even close to the player he was 4 years ago. He wasn't even attacking today. It was painful to watch.

sovereignstar · 06-17-2006, 04:17 PM

Mr. Larrionda's wiki page seems to have gone through quite a bit in the last half an hour.

kingfc22 · 06-17-2006, 04:19 PM

Part of the blog on espn(hxxp://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=davies/index):

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10:14 p.m.:
34.: OK, this has just become The Weakest Link. There's less elimination in Survivor for Christ's sakes...

vyshka · 06-17-2006, 04:20 PM

Was the Pope card a straight red or a second yellow followed the by the red? The Mastroeni one I'd have to see again. It looked like he might have been cleats up, but still a hard call to make.

What a mess that game was.

kingfc22 · 06-17-2006, 04:20 PM

Pope was a 2nd yellow

daedalus · 06-17-2006, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by rexallllsc

I don't know. He's not even close to the player he was 4 years ago. He wasn't even attacking today. It was painful to watch.

And YET . . . . if McBride had not been offside, Beaseley would have been THE hero of the day. I think Beaseley would have done better today (now that he is back on the left side) had Arena brought Johnson on to run alongside him.

Oilers9911 · 06-17-2006, 04:22 PM

Good game USA. Thank you for beginning the inevitable downfall of Italy's group of divers and whiners.

Signed.

An England fan and Italy hater.

GoldenEagle · 06-17-2006, 04:24 PM

The ref took the game out of the Americans hands. They dominated Italy when it was 11v11. There is no doubt that the US has arrived. I thought the match was the most porly officated game in quite sometime that I have seen. All of the "experts" agree with that.

Daed - I do not owe Mathis shit. I am personally sick of his contast potshots at the US. I just can not stand people who willd judge a team based on where they live. He will deny it, but it has been documented time and time again on this board. Personally, I can not stand the guy.

GoldenEagle · 06-17-2006, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Oilers9911

An England fan

Who could imagine that with your comments eariler in the thread?

MrBigglesworth · 06-17-2006, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiMatt

I understand what you are saying, I really do. But if you are really contenders you need to win this game. Hell, they really didn't even really score a goal. Now, they need a win and some luck to move on.

If this was the US basketball team they would be buried.

If this was basketball, they would be 8-1 favorites, not 8-1 underdogs. I would have loved a win, too, but we have a great chance to advance, something that I thought was near impossible heading into today.

ISiddiqui · 06-17-2006, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBigglesworth

But why not sub? It seems obvious to me that you use a sub there, but is there some extra-advanced reason why you wouldn't?

One explination I've heard is that Arena probably wanted McBride for defensive set pieces, since McBride is very good at using his head, while Johnson is not distinguished in the same... and as we've seen, the Italians are very good at offensive set pieces.

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Originally Posted by MIJB#19

I mean, 10 years from now, this will be a game people will remember. From the drama and from the way the USA survived with 9 to 10.

Indeed. This could very well be "The Match" of the 2006 World Cup that people remember 10-20 years later and is shown on the highlight shows. Instant Classic meaning most memorable in this context, not best played.

MIJB#19 · 06-17-2006, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

Daed - I do not owe Mathis shit. I am personally sick of his contast potshots at the US. I just can not stand people who willd judge a team based on where they live. He will deny it, but it has been documented time and time again on this board. Personally, I can not stand the guy.

I asked you in a PM where you got that idea. You never replied and instead decided to continue your crusade against me. I'm not going to respond on these absurd allegations.

06-17-2006, 03:53 PM	#1501
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	Whew!! A draw... now Thursday is going to be VERY interesting. Though I wonder why Johnson didn't come in from McBride at the end. __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

06-17-2006, 03:53 PM	#1502
cartman Death Herald Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Le stelle la notte sono grandi e luminose nel cuore profondo del Texas	Too bad this team didn't show up to play the Czech Republic. __________________ Thinkin' of a master plan 'Cuz ain't nuthin' but sweat inside my hand So I dig into my pocket, all my money is spent So I dig deeper but still comin' up with lint

06-17-2006, 03:53 PM	#1503
kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	All I got to say is Italy sucks. Powerhouse my ass. They had a 10-9 man advantage for a full half and if it wasn't for an offsides call we would have won. __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal

06-17-2006, 04:00 PM	#1520
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	As big a mess as this was to watch, I've got to hand it to most of the US players who weren't ejected. They didn't quit, most of them left pretty much all they had on the field. AFAIC, it's a borderline miracle they didn't lose the game outright playing a man short for a full half. __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

06-17-2006, 04:08 PM	#1529
sovereignstar Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2004	Does anyone have the name of the ref in question? Edit: nm.. it's Jorge Larrionda (Uruguay) Last edited by sovereignstar : 06-17-2006 at 04:10 PM.

06-17-2006, 03:53 PM	#1504
Easy Mac Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Here	going down 1-0 in 4 minutes changes a team

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MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Beasley plays like Garret Anderson. Passionless

06-17-2006, 03:55 PM	#1510
Critch lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Herndon, VA	looks like de Rossi is a bit of a thug. Here's a tackle of his against Switzerland in their pre-World Cup friendly: hxxp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Esgh_pGmZac Didn't even get a booking.

06-17-2006, 03:56 PM	#1512
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Hmmm...apparently the ref had been suspended for irregularity

06-17-2006, 03:59 PM	#1515
Easy Mac Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Here	In spite of Bease's indifference, I'd have to say we almost need Beasely if he somehow snaps out of his bitchfest. Drop convey to left back to make some overlapping runs with bease (since they both defend). Obviously, this is the theoretical pick, assuming all things go perfectly.

06-17-2006, 03:59 PM	#1518
rexallllsc Banned Join Date: May 2003	Beasley was very disappointing That yellow on Zambrotta was a sham.

06-17-2006, 04:08 PM	#1528
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	What are the chances that the red to Pablo gets downgraded?

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06-17-2006, 04:17 PM	#1540
sovereignstar Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2004	Mr. Larrionda's wiki page seems to have gone through quite a bit in the last half an hour.

06-17-2006, 04:20 PM	#1542
vyshka Mascot Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Tempe, AZ	Was the Pope card a straight red or a second yellow followed the by the red? The Mastroeni one I'd have to see again. It looked like he might have been cleats up, but still a hard call to make. What a mess that game was.

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kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	Pope was a 2nd yellow __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal

06-17-2006, 04:22 PM	#1545
Oilers9911 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jan 2006	Good game USA. Thank you for beginning the inevitable downfall of Italy's group of divers and whiners. Signed. An England fan and Italy hater.

06-17-2006, 04:24 PM	#1546
GoldenEagle Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Little Rock, AR	The ref took the game out of the Americans hands. They dominated Italy when it was 11v11. There is no doubt that the US has arrived. I thought the match was the most porly officated game in quite sometime that I have seen. All of the "experts" agree with that. Daed - I do not owe Mathis shit. I am personally sick of his contast potshots at the US. I just can not stand people who willd judge a team based on where they live. He will deny it, but it has been documented time and time again on this board. Personally, I can not stand the guy. __________________ Xbox 360 Gamer Tag: GoldenEagle014

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