Werewolf LVIII: Clash of the Gods (GAME OVER) - Page 31

hoopsguy · 10-26-2007, 05:25 PM

Racer, someone posted the assumption earlier that the dead Olympians who are being pounded (see the end of day recaps) suggested that Atlas was the Titan doing the kills. Furthermore, Atlas is the Titan associated with great strength.

I don't know that he is in the game, but it made sense to me in the context of this game so I've included it with my assumptions. I think it is almost certain that there are at least two Titans remaining (3+ starting, one dead).

DaddyTorgo · 10-26-2007, 06:05 PM

so you're both odysseus?

interesting!

looks like we've got one here guys. Racer or AE...where do we want to go with this tonight??

DaddyTorgo · 10-26-2007, 06:07 PM

i'm around on and off till deadline...i'll be pondering where to go with my giant 1 AP vote

Neon_Chaos · 10-26-2007, 06:15 PM

Racer, no holding back now, considering ardent revealed everything about his role, and you're on the block. It's either you or him.

What can you do as Odysseus?

DaddyTorgo · 10-26-2007, 06:18 PM

at the moment i'm more inclined to believe RaceR for the record...

Racer · 10-26-2007, 06:19 PM

Alright guys. I'll tell you what my power is because I really think it'd be bad for the Olympians if I am killed. It deals with the idea of the Trojan Horse. If I choose to follow the same player that the Titans attempt to kill, then I kill the Titan by sneak attacking. If I kill a Titan I am also banished from the game for underhanded tactics.

DaddyTorgo · 10-26-2007, 06:22 PM

UNVOTE RACER

VOTE ARDENT ENTHUSIAST

RaceR's explanation of his power makes way more sense to me than Ardent's. Either way though...i think we get a 1-1 and we're in good shape.

DaddyTorgo · 10-26-2007, 06:26 PM

I gotta go eat dinner but i'll be around on and off till deadline. Friday nights are usually slow, so

RaceR...if we can't get enough votes moved and you are the innocent one, at least know that we'll get a 1-for-1 out of it, so your sacrifice won't be in vain.

Neon_Chaos · 10-26-2007, 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Racer

Alright guys. I'll tell you what my power is because I really think it'd be bad for the Olympians if I am killed. It deals with the idea of the Trojan Horse. If I choose to follow the same player that the Titans attempt to kill, then I kill the Titan by sneak attacking. If I kill a Titan I am also banished from the game for underhanded tactics.

How do the points system work with that?

Abe Sargent · 10-26-2007, 06:40 PM

I buy Racer. A Wolf revealing as something someone already revealed as is porr strategy, especailyl since we can get them next.

Unvote CR
Vote Ardent

st.cronin · 10-26-2007, 06:43 PM

UNVOTE RACER

VOTE ARDENT ENTHUSIAST

Neon_Chaos · 10-26-2007, 06:50 PM

Racer's reveal just feels wrong.

Racer was in the thread when ardent revealed, and he reveals an entire hour later.

As it is, we get a Titan today or tomorrow.

Unless they're both titans and are fucking with us... or one of them is Medusa, trying to buy the Titans some time in a desperate attempt.

DaddyTorgo · 10-26-2007, 06:51 PM

neon - he could have been AFK

Neon_Chaos · 10-26-2007, 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

neon - he could have been AFK

True. Well, either way, we find out today who's lying and who's not.

DaddyTorgo · 10-26-2007, 07:00 PM

we just have to make sure we have the votes where we want them

Neon_Chaos · 10-26-2007, 07:21 PM

For the record, I am more inclined to believe ae's reveal. If I can't convince anyone to have their votes remain on Racer, I'm moving my votes over to ae.

Alan T · 10-26-2007, 07:25 PM

My wife called and is taking me out for a late dinner. So there is a good chance I might be a bit late with the results tonight. The deadline is still when the deadline is.. (10pm EST... or maybe earlier )

Reminder, weekend play is extended due to people not being around much. I am setting deadline for Day 5 at 9pm EST on Sunday night (instead of the normal 10pm EST) due to not having internet at my new house yet, and having to come to my apartment to run the night deadline.

Neon_Chaos · 10-26-2007, 07:28 PM

But I will argue that Racer is probably the right lynching target, and we need to consolidate our votes.

Telle · 10-26-2007, 07:32 PM

Wow. Some rather, ummmm, interesting stuff going on. Gimme a minute to catch up.

DaddyTorgo · 10-26-2007, 07:34 PM

why do you believe AE over RaceR Neon?

DaddyTorgo · 10-26-2007, 07:35 PM

i'm curious. Perhaps we can discuss quickly

hoopsguy · 10-26-2007, 07:44 PM

I'm happy to discuss, but I haven't heard anything to make me move my vote from Ardent.

Neon_Chaos · 10-26-2007, 07:45 PM

Because I doubt ae would have been able to think up as complex rules that he claims he has for them not to be true.

And that the convenience of Racer's reveal, the pure and utter coincidence that ae could have picked the very role that Racer had... it's very highly improbable.

I'm almost sure Racer is lying, and lying really well.

hoopsguy · 10-26-2007, 07:45 PM

Nor have I seen anything where Ardent needed to talk to Alan about his vote, which he referenced earlier after putting the vote on me.

hoopsguy · 10-26-2007, 07:46 PM

Neon, so what is Racer's angle here? His lie buys him one day at most and ensures a trade-off with a Hero, not an Olympian?

If he was looking to bluff, wouldn't he want to try and take out an Olympian?

Neon_Chaos · 10-26-2007, 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Neon, so what is Racer's angle here? His lie buys him one day at most and ensures a trade-off with a Hero, not an Olympian?

If he was looking to bluff, wouldn't he want to try and take out an Olympian?

True. Which is what strikes me odd about both these reveals. They're fighting over an unimportant role.

Of course, if ae was bluffing, wouldn't he have revealed himself to be one of the big two, to force a showdown, and weed out one of the Titans' necessary kills.

DaddyTorgo · 10-26-2007, 07:50 PM

Racer's role sounds very detailed as well.

As far as AE's role...I think it seems there have been a lot of roles that are...monster-related considering the # of monsters in the game.

DaddyTorgo · 10-26-2007, 07:51 PM

interesting point Neon...interesting point

DaddyTorgo · 10-26-2007, 07:52 PM

I think I need to get a coffee Neon...but you have me seriously thinking with that last point I have to say

Neon_Chaos · 10-26-2007, 07:55 PM

I feel quite certain that we're going to find out a lot with this vote.

hoopsguy · 10-26-2007, 07:55 PM

Neon, I agree that revealing as one of the big two was a better play for a fake. But then why did Racer choose to contest Odysseus instead of bluffing at one of those other roles?

I think it cuts both ways in terms of a fake reveal - the choice is interesting. I'm guessing Ardent took a shot at the role he thought was least likely to be in the game. There were already two heroes exposed, and Perseus seemed more likely on account of you being stoned by the Medusa.

hoopsguy · 10-26-2007, 07:55 PM

Perseus seemed more likely to be in play than Odyssesus, that is ...

Telle · 10-26-2007, 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

I think it cuts both ways in terms of a fake reveal - the choice is interesting. I'm guessing Ardent took a shot at the role he thought was least likely to be in the game. There were already two heroes exposed, and Perseus seemed more likely on account of you being stoned by the Medusa.

This is what I'm thinking. If there's only two titans left, as Hoops suggested earlier, then I'd think they'd rather try and hide with a fake reveal than force a showdown with the remaining two of the Big Three. Looks like ardent was just rather unlucky with his who he chose to reveal as.

Neon_Chaos · 10-26-2007, 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Neon, I agree that revealing as one of the big two was a better play for a fake. But then why did Racer choose to contest Odysseus instead of bluffing at one of those other roles?

I think it cuts both ways in terms of a fake reveal - the choice is interesting. I'm guessing Ardent took a shot at the role he thought was least likely to be in the game. There were already two heroes exposed, and Perseus seemed more likely on account of you being stoned by the Medusa.

True.

I guess we'll have to see why.

Telle · 10-26-2007, 08:03 PM

And now that RendeR's headed off to bed I'm going to switch to my laptop and get comfy on the couch. But I want to get my vote in now, just in case.

UNVOTE CHIEF RUM
VOTE ARDENT ENTHUSIAST

Neon_Chaos · 10-26-2007, 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Telle

This is what I'm thinking. If there's only two titans left, as Hoops suggested earlier, then I'd think they'd rather try and hide with a fake reveal than force a showdown with the remaining two of the Big Three. Looks like ardent was just rather unlucky with his who he chose to reveal as.

I'm thinking 3 left, actually.

Neon_Chaos · 10-26-2007, 08:05 PM

I like how hoops is prodding, but not necessarily pushing his argument to not lynch Racer, when this vote is basically a win-win situation either way.

hoopsguy · 10-26-2007, 08:08 PM

Neon, I don't know what the right call is here. I laid out my case on why I suspected Ardent more than Racer and Chief back before Ardent had any votes, back before he revealed. I put the first vote on him.

I'm not sure what you are looking for me in terms of taking a stance here. But I'm beginning to think that you may be either a cultist or a "cunning Titan" based on your continued infatuation with me since Day 1. That, however, is a battle for another day.

Neon_Chaos · 10-26-2007, 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Neon, I don't know what the right call is here. I laid out my case on why I suspected Ardent more than Racer and Chief back before Ardent had any votes, back before he revealed. I put the first vote on him.

I'm not sure what you are looking for me in terms of taking a stance here. But I'm beginning to think that you may be either a cultist or a "cunning Titan" based on your continued infatuation with me since Day 1. That, however, is a battle for another day.

How about we put that to the test tomorrow, then? Granted you and I survive tonight?

Racer · 10-26-2007, 08:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Racer

Okay, I'm going off this list. Someone said St. Cronin has now been vouched for. Chief Rum hasn't been around, right? In my opinion, he's played this game similar to the only other game I've played. He hasn't posted quite as much in my opinion, but again I'm pretty sure I read that he wouldn't be around much today. His analysis seems way to valuable for us to get rid of right now. That leaves me with Hoopsguy, PurdueBrad, and AE. I'm a bit more suspicious of PurdueBrad and AE then Hoopsguy at the moment. I'm going to reread stuff before making my decision, but for now I'll got to take off for a bit. I think everyone else should also look at them before deciding whether or not to keep their votes on me. I'm a good guy and have a power that can be useful to the Olympians.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

Because I doubt ae would have been able to think up as complex rules that he claims he has for them not to be true.

And that the convenience of Racer's reveal, the pure and utter coincidence that ae could have picked the very role that Racer had... it's very highly improbable.

I'm almost sure Racer is lying, and lying really well.

I went running after making that post. I didn't see AE's post until after I had gotten back.

Neon_Chaos · 10-26-2007, 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Racer

I went running after making that post. I didn't see AE's post until after I had gotten back.

I understand that you might have been AFK, Racer. As it is, we're going to find out which one of you and ae is lying by the end of the day.

hoopsguy · 10-26-2007, 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

How about we put that to the test tomorrow, then? Granted you and I survive tonight?

And just how would you propose we "put that to the test tomorrow?"

I'm fairly confident that you, the cleared person, will survive the night. I'm less confident about my own state.

Again, there is a 1-1 trade in the works right now at a point in the game where it makes sense for us to take it. A cultist is not a priority compared to a Titan. A cunning Titan, if cleared by the seer, will most likely stick around for awhile. Maybe I'm looking for monsters under the bed, but I haven't understood your play all game long.

Raiders Army · 10-26-2007, 08:37 PM

VOTE RACER

Just got home from work and scanned this page.

DaddyTorgo · 10-26-2007, 08:40 PM

RA...the choice is down to Racer vs. Ardent

anyone have a vote-count? we want to make sure that we are in control of the lynch as much as possible, whichever way we have to go

hoopsguy · 10-26-2007, 08:41 PM

Votes as of Post #1543:

Racer - Lathum (1355), AC (1378), Neon, (1380), Purdue (1392), Raiders (1543)

Ardent - Hoops (1427), Racer (1499), DT (1507), Anxiety (1511), Cronin (1511), Telle (1535)

Hoops - Ardent (1443)

Not voted - Chief

Ardent has indicated he will be using a max (4) vote.
People who are limited with their vote today: PB, Hoops, DT

Chief Rum · 10-26-2007, 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anxiety

Need to get a vote out there for now, since we saw what happened yesterday.

Nothing's changed from this vote:

Vote Chief Rum

Why? I understand I am not vouched for, but I feel I have been pretty helpful this game.

hoops made the best point yet. The Titans made the deadline come up when I was one of the two primaries on the chopping block. Why would they do that if I was one of them?

DaddyTorgo · 10-26-2007, 08:42 PM

this vote is going to be very telling

Neon_Chaos · 10-26-2007, 08:45 PM

Chief, your vote.

Neon_Chaos · 10-26-2007, 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

this vote is going to be very telling

Not as much as I had expected earlier. With the votes obviously scattered, it's basically a 50/50.

Of course, I'm pulling for ae to be good and Racer to be bad so I don't look like an ass.

hoopsguy · 10-26-2007, 08:49 PM

Agree with Neon that I would like to be backing the right (Trojan) horse.

But if we have a one-one here, and the loss is a Hero instead of Olympian, I think this is a definite win for the team. Worst case is that we trade a hero for a monster, as far as I can tell.

10-26-2007, 06:15 PM	#1504
Neon_Chaos Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Parañaque, Philippines	Racer, no holding back now, considering ardent revealed everything about his role, and you're on the block. It's either you or him. What can you do as Odysseus? __________________ Come and see.

10-26-2007, 06:40 PM	#1510
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	I buy Racer. A Wolf revealing as something someone already revealed as is porr strategy, especailyl since we can get them next. Unvote CR Vote Ardent __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

10-26-2007, 06:43 PM	#1511
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	UNVOTE RACER VOTE ARDENT ENTHUSIAST __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

10-26-2007, 06:50 PM	#1512
Neon_Chaos Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Parañaque, Philippines	Racer's reveal just feels wrong. Racer was in the thread when ardent revealed, and he reveals an entire hour later. As it is, we get a Titan today or tomorrow. Unless they're both titans and are fucking with us... or one of them is Medusa, trying to buy the Titans some time in a desperate attempt. __________________ Come and see.

10-26-2007, 07:21 PM	#1516
Neon_Chaos Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Parañaque, Philippines	For the record, I am more inclined to believe ae's reveal. If I can't convince anyone to have their votes remain on Racer, I'm moving my votes over to ae. __________________ Come and see.

10-26-2007, 05:25 PM	#1501
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Racer, someone posted the assumption earlier that the dead Olympians who are being pounded (see the end of day recaps) suggested that Atlas was the Titan doing the kills. Furthermore, Atlas is the Titan associated with great strength. I don't know that he is in the game, but it made sense to me in the context of this game so I've included it with my assumptions. I think it is almost certain that there are at least two Titans remaining (3+ starting, one dead).

10-26-2007, 06:05 PM	#1502
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	so you're both odysseus? interesting! looks like we've got one here guys. Racer or AE...where do we want to go with this tonight??

10-26-2007, 06:07 PM	#1503
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	i'm around on and off till deadline...i'll be pondering where to go with my giant 1 AP vote

10-26-2007, 06:18 PM	#1505
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	at the moment i'm more inclined to believe RaceR for the record...

10-26-2007, 06:19 PM	#1506
Racer College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fort Wayne, Indiana	Alright guys. I'll tell you what my power is because I really think it'd be bad for the Olympians if I am killed. It deals with the idea of the Trojan Horse. If I choose to follow the same player that the Titans attempt to kill, then I kill the Titan by sneak attacking. If I kill a Titan I am also banished from the game for underhanded tactics.

10-26-2007, 06:22 PM	#1507
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	UNVOTE RACER VOTE ARDENT ENTHUSIAST RaceR's explanation of his power makes way more sense to me than Ardent's. Either way though...i think we get a 1-1 and we're in good shape.

10-26-2007, 06:26 PM	#1508
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	I gotta go eat dinner but i'll be around on and off till deadline. Friday nights are usually slow, so RaceR...if we can't get enough votes moved and you are the innocent one, at least know that we'll get a 1-for-1 out of it, so your sacrifice won't be in vain.

10-26-2007, 06:51 PM	#1513
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	neon - he could have been AFK

10-26-2007, 07:00 PM	#1515
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	we just have to make sure we have the votes where we want them

10-26-2007, 07:25 PM	#1517
Alan T Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mass.	My wife called and is taking me out for a late dinner. So there is a good chance I might be a bit late with the results tonight. The deadline is still when the deadline is.. (10pm EST... or maybe earlier ) Reminder, weekend play is extended due to people not being around much. I am setting deadline for Day 5 at 9pm EST on Sunday night (instead of the normal 10pm EST) due to not having internet at my new house yet, and having to come to my apartment to run the night deadline.

10-26-2007, 07:28 PM	#1518
Neon_Chaos Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Parañaque, Philippines	But I will argue that Racer is probably the right lynching target, and we need to consolidate our votes. __________________ Come and see.

10-26-2007, 07:32 PM	#1519
Telle College Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Buffalo, NY	Wow. Some rather, ummmm, interesting stuff going on. Gimme a minute to catch up.

10-26-2007, 07:34 PM	#1520
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	why do you believe AE over RaceR Neon?

10-26-2007, 07:35 PM	#1521
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	i'm curious. Perhaps we can discuss quickly

10-26-2007, 07:44 PM	#1522
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	I'm happy to discuss, but I haven't heard anything to make me move my vote from Ardent.

10-26-2007, 07:45 PM	#1523
Neon_Chaos Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Parañaque, Philippines	Because I doubt ae would have been able to think up as complex rules that he claims he has for them not to be true. And that the convenience of Racer's reveal, the pure and utter coincidence that ae could have picked the very role that Racer had... it's very highly improbable. I'm almost sure Racer is lying, and lying really well. __________________ Come and see.

10-26-2007, 07:45 PM	#1524
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Nor have I seen anything where Ardent needed to talk to Alan about his vote, which he referenced earlier after putting the vote on me.

10-26-2007, 07:46 PM	#1525
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Neon, so what is Racer's angle here? His lie buys him one day at most and ensures a trade-off with a Hero, not an Olympian? If he was looking to bluff, wouldn't he want to try and take out an Olympian?

10-26-2007, 07:50 PM	#1527
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	Racer's role sounds very detailed as well. As far as AE's role...I think it seems there have been a lot of roles that are...monster-related considering the # of monsters in the game.

10-26-2007, 07:51 PM	#1528
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	interesting point Neon...interesting point

10-26-2007, 07:52 PM	#1529
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	I think I need to get a coffee Neon...but you have me seriously thinking with that last point I have to say

10-26-2007, 07:55 PM	#1530
Neon_Chaos Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Parañaque, Philippines	I feel quite certain that we're going to find out a lot with this vote. __________________ Come and see.

10-26-2007, 07:55 PM	#1531
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Neon, I agree that revealing as one of the big two was a better play for a fake. But then why did Racer choose to contest Odysseus instead of bluffing at one of those other roles? I think it cuts both ways in terms of a fake reveal - the choice is interesting. I'm guessing Ardent took a shot at the role he thought was least likely to be in the game. There were already two heroes exposed, and Perseus seemed more likely on account of you being stoned by the Medusa.

10-26-2007, 07:55 PM	#1532
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Perseus seemed more likely to be in play than Odyssesus, that is ...

10-26-2007, 08:03 PM	#1535
Telle College Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Buffalo, NY	And now that RendeR's headed off to bed I'm going to switch to my laptop and get comfy on the couch. But I want to get my vote in now, just in case. UNVOTE CHIEF RUM VOTE ARDENT ENTHUSIAST

10-26-2007, 08:05 PM	#1537
Neon_Chaos Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Parañaque, Philippines	I like how hoops is prodding, but not necessarily pushing his argument to not lynch Racer, when this vote is basically a win-win situation either way. __________________ Come and see.

10-26-2007, 08:08 PM	#1538
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Neon, I don't know what the right call is here. I laid out my case on why I suspected Ardent more than Racer and Chief back before Ardent had any votes, back before he revealed. I put the first vote on him. I'm not sure what you are looking for me in terms of taking a stance here. But I'm beginning to think that you may be either a cultist or a "cunning Titan" based on your continued infatuation with me since Day 1. That, however, is a battle for another day.

10-26-2007, 08:37 PM	#1543
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	VOTE RACER Just got home from work and scanned this page.

10-26-2007, 08:40 PM	#1544
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	RA...the choice is down to Racer vs. Ardent anyone have a vote-count? we want to make sure that we are in control of the lynch as much as possible, whichever way we have to go

10-26-2007, 08:41 PM	#1545
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Votes as of Post #1543: Racer - Lathum (1355), AC (1378), Neon, (1380), Purdue (1392), Raiders (1543) Ardent - Hoops (1427), Racer (1499), DT (1507), Anxiety (1511), Cronin (1511), Telle (1535) Hoops - Ardent (1443) Not voted - Chief Ardent has indicated he will be using a max (4) vote. People who are limited with their vote today: PB, Hoops, DT