Werewolf XXVIII: Mad Wizard and the Wolves (Game over Pg45)

[st.cronin]

I don't know if I can verify Alan T, since I don't understand what role he is supposed to have.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by saldana

coffee, the second quote in post 985 is the one i meant for you to look at.

barkeep, i like the schmidty vote much better, as i have voted for him earlier in the game.

unvote sack attack
vote schmidty

I apologize for not conferring with you before my vote.

[Coffee Warlord]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Ok, here's what I can say.

Hoops succesfully protected me last night. (I assume that means tonight I'm a goner. Sob.) I sniffed Sack Attack, he came up wolf. I voted for Lathum, but actually he is now in my innermost circle of trust. Essentially, my vote for him is a game of chicken with the wizard, who *I THINK* knows the voting rules for today. More on this tomorrow, if I live, or post game.

Dude. That just made my head explode.

You can't expand on this at all (or would it be a detriment to things if you do)?

[st.cronin]

This is going to be a strange day.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Dude. That just made my head explode.

You can't expand on this at all (or would it be a detriment to things if you do)?

I really can't. I'll just say that my trust list now looks like this:

Lathum
Hoopsguy
-------
Coffee
Barkeep
Sack Attack
-------
Saldana
Alan T
-------
everybody else

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Dude. That just made my head explode.

You can't expand on this at all (or would it be a detriment to things if you do)?

As best I can understand, he says he trusts Lathum completely, but is choosing to vote for him for unknown reasons...

So is this a thought that you vote for who you don't want to see lynched?

[Coffee Warlord]

Well, the 3 of us have voted for the same person.

I wonder if Schmidty will now implode or something.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Well, the 3 of us have voted for the same person.

I wonder if Schmidty will now implode or something.

Thanks, I just had to fake coughing to hide my laughing to this post. My boss wanted to know if I was ok!

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Hmm. Looking back on last night, the first vote that got us a bad guy.

Schmidty and Lathum with late votes on Anxiety, once he's pretty much a sure thing kill. Sack throws in a meaningless vote.

I'll ignore the Sack vote for the time being. Between Schmidty and Lathum, I'm saying Schmidty right now. People have looked at him, accepted absolutely miniscule statements from him, and gone elsewhere. Personally, I think it's time he gets some spotlight.

Vote Schmidty

In response to my vote for anxiety I voted fourth for him which is a long way from piling onto a sure thing. I also voted second for him the day before, I think that patern should speak for itself.

[Coffee Warlord]

Originally Posted by Lathum

In response to my vote for anxiety I voted fourth for him which is a long way from piling onto a sure thing. I also voted second for him the day before, I think that patern should speak for itself.

Moot point anyway. I trust Cronin, he trusts you (though I think I would start bleeding from my ears if I heard the explanation why).

[st.cronin]

I am ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN that Lathum and hoopsguy are both on the side of good. Hopefully we have as many wolves around close to the deadline to push the vote the way it needs to go.

[Lathum]

OK, now I am confused. I am glad you trust me cronin and you should for a very good reason, but I am not sure what you are trying to accomplish.

[st.cronin]

Can somebody clarify what about Alan T I am supposed to be vouching for? The only thing I see is that he liked when I said early votes might be valuable - but I can't imagine how that would prove anything.

[Coffee Warlord]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

I am ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN that Lathum and hoopsguy are both on the side of good. Hopefully we have as many wolves around close to the deadline to push the vote the way it needs to go.

Hmm.

[saldana]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

I am ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN that Lathum and hoopsguy are both on the side of good. Hopefully we have as many wolves around close to the deadline to push the vote the way it needs to go.

although i dont know why i fell so much farther down your list than barkeep and coffee, i will be around at the deadline to move if needed.

[saldana]

on a different train of thought - was fozzies other game designed the same way where only one person had the slightest idea what was happening...that just seems like a bad mechanic to me...what if cronin were killed early in the game? (no offense foz, i am rethinking cronin...i dont like being led around by the snout)

[st.cronin]

saldana, you're lower down only because I haven't sniffed you. And as I've commented, I'm sure Foz has some sort of backup if I were killed early.

[Coffee Warlord]

Ya'll think I'm reading too much into this?

I'm kind of wondering if Cronin is physically unable to tell us exactly what's going on, and instead forced to spew forth the names of the real bad guys via the above insanity.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Ya'll think I'm reading too much into this?

I'm kind of wondering if Cronin is physically unable to tell us exactly what's going on, and instead forced to spew forth the names of the real bad guys via the above insanity.

No, I'm being very literal with everything I've said. In fact, I think after the vote deadline I might be able to identify the wizard.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Can somebody clarify what about Alan T I am supposed to be vouching for? The only thing I see is that he liked when I said early votes might be valuable - but I can't imagine how that would prove anything.

Well it wasn't that I know that early votes might be valuable, but the stuff I mentioned earlier, just from the way you spoke last night, I had a feeling that you knew something else which I posted about this morning. I might have been wrong and you did put out everything you knew last night.

What was key for me about you is that I was told that now majority vote does not matter, but instead the timing of the vote, type of vote or other determinations could matter instead. So for me when you said the thing about getting a vote in early, it rung some bells for me.

It sounds to me that you didn't catch the stuff I mentioned, so its not a huge deal to me. Doesn't effect my trust in you, just was hoping it would be able to give me some support.

[saldana]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Ya'll think I'm reading too much into this?

I'm kind of wondering if Cronin is physically unable to tell us exactly what's going on, and instead forced to spew forth the names of the real bad guys via the above insanity.

interesting thought....maybe he is saying that lathum and hoops are the real bad guys and the reason he wants to make sure there are enough wolves around within the last hour is because that is when he is going to be able to tell us the truth?

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by saldana

interesting thought....maybe he is saying that lathum and hoops are the real bad guys and the reason he wants to make sure there are enough wolves around within the last hour is because that is when he is going to be able to tell us the truth?

I dont understand that though.. if he previously had cleared hoops, and had not sniffed lathum yet at all, and sniffed Sackattack last night... where would his feeling for this come from at all?

I think I'm more confused now than at the start of today.

I like the Schmidty vote, however I think I don't understand why Tyrith is still around if he was in the "lover" role. I have both of them at pretty equal lack of trust, and instead of making it a Schmidty run away, I'll

VOTE TYRITH

[Coffee Warlord]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

No, I'm being very literal with everything I've said. In fact, I think after the vote deadline I might be able to identify the wizard.

Then what's the purpose behind an absolutely mind numbing statement about hoping we have people late to push the vote "where it needs to be"?

We looking at some sort of insane assault on someone late?

You know someone better to vote for than Schmidty, who already has what, 3 votes?

[SackAttack]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

I sniffed Sack Attack, he came up wolf. I voted for Lathum, but actually he is now in my innermost circle of trust.

I came up wolf, you say.

I would hope so, under the circumstances. Aren't we all wolves here?

What's the problem? And how does voting for somebody in your "ultimate circle of trust" serve anything? Seems like that would be relying on the stupidity of the humans to go "oh, the seer is voting for Lathum even though he's publicly saying different things! let's jump on board with that!"

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Then what's the purpose behind an absolutely mind numbing statement about hoping we have people late to push the vote "where it needs to be"?

We looking at some sort of insane assault on someone late?

You know someone better to vote for than Schmidty, who already has what, 3 votes?

Simple, I/we won't know the voting rules until 1 hour before deadline.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by SackAttack

I came up wolf, you say.

I would hope so, under the circumstances. Aren't we all wolves here?

What's the problem? And how does voting for somebody in your "ultimate circle of trust" serve anything? Seems like that would be relying on the stupidity of the humans to go "oh, the seer is voting for Lathum even though he's publicly saying different things! let's jump on board with that!"

Ok,

I have the ability to sense the henchmen. When I say you came up wolf, that means you are not a henchman.

My vote for Lathum is an attempt to flush out the wizard, no more, no less. How and why I don't think I should be explaining just yet.

[SackAttack]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Ok,

I have the ability to sense the henchmen. When I say you came up wolf, that means you are not a henchman.

OK. That makes sense. I'm clean as far as you can sniff (well, don't sniff me right NOW, I haven't showered yet), because I didn't come up as a henchman.

Foz, your game mechanic breaks my brain. I need to hurt you.

[SirFozzie]

Originally Posted by SackAttack

Foz, your game mechanic breaks my brain. I need to hurt you.

wot, again?

[Coffee Warlord]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

wot, again?

Sack's gonna have to take a number.

I'm killing him first.

[SirFozzie]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Sack's gonna have to take a number.

I'm killing him first.

Vote Coffee Warlord

Self Defense

Wait, that pesky Running the game thing.

Unvote Coffee Warlord

Seriously.. I hope you all are having fun, even if I am taking a pickaxe to your brains with the rules.

[Coffee Warlord]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

Vote Coffee Warlord

Self Defense

Wait, that pesky Running the game thing.

Unvote Coffee Warlord

Seriously.. I hope you all are having fun, even if I am taking a pickaxe to your brains with the rules.

Ass.

I frankly cannot wait till this one is over, just to see the real descriptions of all the roles.

[st.cronin]

I've been thinking about what Alan T, saldana, Barkeep, etc, have said, and I'm wondering if it wouldn't be a good idea to explain more fully how the rules might change.

There are six possibilities:

- rules don't change
- player with the least votes gets lynched
- player with the first vote gets lynched
- player with the last vote gets lynched
- player who votes first gets lynched
- player who votes last gets lynched

Saldana, Barkeep, and Alan T's partial reveals make me think there's more to it than that, but I really don't know.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

I've been thinking about what Alan T, saldana, Barkeep, etc, have said, and I'm wondering if it wouldn't be a good idea to explain more fully how the rules might change.

There are six possibilities:

- rules don't change
- player with the least votes gets lynched
- player with the first vote gets lynched
- player with the last vote gets lynched
- player who votes first gets lynched
- player who votes last gets lynched

Saldana, Barkeep, and Alan T's partial reveals make me think there's more to it than that, but I really don't know.

Cronin, so you are saying there is a possibilty that we might still have the same voting rules today after all? Would that mean that my tiebreaker would still be in effect in that case? Or is that something you do not know?

So something we watch for here then would be to see who the first voters, last voters and such are? Now that you posted this, I have a feeling they will blend in a bit now. Even though, if i had to guess, there is only 1 - 2 of them left, so I don't see them risking themselves for a last vote when it has a possibility of lynching them right now.

I actually think in a weird way, these rules help us more than them.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Alan T

Cronin, so you are saying there is a possibilty that we might still have the same voting rules today after all? Would that mean that my tiebreaker would still be in effect in that case? Or is that something you do not know?

So something we watch for here then would be to see who the first voters, last voters and such are? Now that you posted this, I have a feeling they will blend in a bit now. Even though, if i had to guess, there is only 1 - 2 of them left, so I don't see them risking themselves for a last vote when it has a possibility of lynching them right now.

I actually think in a weird way, these rules help us more than them.

Yes, it is possible the voting rules will not change.

I don't know what your tiebreaker is.

First and last voters, and who they voted for, could be important. I don't know who is left to vote.

I'm also curious to hear what saldana and BK have to say about this.

[st.cronin]

dola

I'm also hoping this will give Coffee a chance to clear himself.

[saldana]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Yes, it is possible the voting rules will not change.

I don't know what your tiebreaker is.

First and last voters, and who they voted for, could be important. I don't know who is left to vote.

I'm also curious to hear what saldana and BK have to say about this.

there were two parts to my role pm, one of them fits in with the new rule possiblitites, that being that my votes may be more valuable than i think they are. since we dont know what the actual voting rules are, the value of everyones votes has now changed. i have no idea which way they will change, or even if these are the only possible scenarios.

[SackAttack]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Sack's gonna have to take a number.

I'm killing him first.

vote Coffee Warlord

Numbers? We don't need no steenkin' numbers!

[SirFozzie]

Originally Posted by SackAttack

vote Coffee Warlord

Numbers? We don't need no steenkin' numbers!

You are all Numbers! For example, you are Number Six

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

You are all Numbers! For example, you are Number Six

Is that code?? Today is 6/6/06! Are you telling us he's evil???

[SackAttack]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

You are all Numbers! For example, you are Number Six

Yeah, but who does Number Two work for?

That's right, bitch.

[SirFozzie]

Originally Posted by Alan T

Is that code?? Today is 6/6/06! Are you telling us he's evil???

Alan, are you drunk again?

(you know, it feels good to use that line on someone else).

Bah, no one here knows anyhting about classic TV

[saldana]

Originally Posted by Alan T

Is that code?? Today is 6/6/06! Are you telling us he's evil???

or possibly that since his was the 6th vote, he gets lynched, or he is the only vote that counts.

[SackAttack]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

Alan, are you drunk again?

(you know, it feels good to use that line on someone else).

Bah, no one here knows anyhting about classic TV

It's The Prisoner, innit?

[SirFozzie]

Originally Posted by SackAttack

It's The Prisoner, innit?

A-yup.

[SirFozzie]

Originally Posted by SackAttack

Yeah, but who does Number Two work for?

No, Who's On First.

[Alan T]

I never really watched british tv series.

[SackAttack]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

No, Who's On First.

How did I get on first?

[SirFozzie]

Albatross! Get yer Albatross Here!

[st.cronin]

Barkeep - vote Sack Attack
Coffee - vote Schmidty
st.cronin - vote Lathum
saldana - vote Sack
Barkeep - unvote Sack, vote Schmidty
saldana - unvote Sack, vote Schmidty
Alan T - vote Tyrith
Sack - vote Coffee Warlord

not voted - Schmidty, hoopsguy, Lathum, Tyrith


Schmidty - 3
Lathum - 1
Coffee - 1
Tyrith - 1

First vote - Sack
First player voted - Barkeep

That's where we are right now. Last vote and last player voted are obviously subject to change.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Barkeep - vote Sack Attack
Coffee - vote Schmidty
st.cronin - vote Lathum
saldana - vote Sack
Barkeep - unvote Sack, vote Schmidty
saldana - unvote Sack, vote Schmidty
Alan T - vote Tyrith
Sack - vote Coffee Warlord

not voted - Schmidty, hoopsguy, Lathum, Tyrith


Schmidty - 3
Lathum - 1
Coffee - 1
Tyrith - 1

First vote - Sack
First player voted - Barkeep

That's where we are right now. Last vote and last player voted are obviously subject to change.

It might be first vote still standing too though? Ie: first vote could be considered either Sack or Schmidty, and first voter could be: Barkeep or Coffee?

Or am i reading too much into this?