WW CXXIV: When Worlds Collide - Game Over!

[The Jackal]

I mean, the voting for me the past couple of days have been outlying votes. Granted Cthulu and then Dwight with his ability made yesterday's matter somewhat, but the spreading out of the votes is not particularly what we want at this juncture. You've been asking everyone to follow you on to me because of your gut .. no scan, no suspicious action I've taken, not even a terrible vote record. I'm not asking you to lay out your case again, we've had enough of that back and forth, but I'm about at wits end trying to argue with you.

[Darth Vilus]

Originally Posted by JAG

That's a fair argument and I did give it consideration. But to me that one thing doesn't make up for my other reasons, especially compared with taking a shot in the dark with the rest of the people left. And the other side of the coin is if Thursday knew he was going down, the next best thing he could give the remaining wolf (wolves) other than another villager kill is trust for the other teammate(s). That's exactly what hoops did for DV in the Dark Knight game.

This is something I've kept in mind as well

[The Jackal]

DV can I ask why you voted for me yesterday? You sort've asked about people and then flybyed me with no reasoning.

[The Jackal]

If it was because I was the only other candidate and you thought NTN was a goner, I understand. But I'm not a wolf, and today is different.

[JAG]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

I mean, the voting for me the past couple of days have been outlying votes. Granted Cthulu and then Dwight with his ability made yesterday's matter somewhat, but the spreading out of the votes is not particularly what we want at this juncture. You've been asking everyone to follow you on to me because of your gut .. no scan, no suspicious action I've taken, not even a terrible vote record. I'm not asking you to lay out your case again, we've had enough of that back and forth, but I'm about at wits end trying to argue with you.

The short version is a combo of you have nothing to point to to clear you to the extent that others do and a general vibe that you've been playing it very safe with your opinions and not trying to stick out moreso than others.

[Zinto]

I am much more inclined to go with Jag on a vote today then Jackal. My reasons are kind of meta-gamey but neither have done much in terms of proving to be a villager or wolf and neither have pinged me one way or the other. Jag just is a really strong villager and if he has a feeling on someone it could be wrong but I at least want to give him the benefit of the doubt.

[Zinto]

Also if Jag is a wolf he is lucky that he has earned my trust so much in these situations and more then likely I would follow him down a path like this regardless of the game.

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by JAG

The short version is a combo of you have nothing to point to to clear you to the extent that others do and a general vibe that you've been playing it very safe with your opinions and not trying to stick out moreso than others.

And you don't think wolves would make an effort to have something to clear them? Obviously not everyone who's used an action to clear a villager or against a wolf is a wolf, but smart wolves lay nuggets in their favor. I haven't had the opportunity to use an interaction, so that's why I've got nothing pointing to clear me. I'm just been trying to make the best votes I can. Would it be better if I led a campaign against someone on gut? I don't have a particularly strong read on anyone, just an idea that a wolf would've used any opportunity they could to have something to raise them above others nearing endgame. And when I've gone out on a limb, it's been either the mckerney theory, who I was clearly wrong about and didn't even stick with, or hulk, which you've framed as making me look bad anyways. So.. yeah.

[Zinto]

I guess saying Jag over Jackal is not a good explanation when Jackal is not going over Jag. I am just saying that I would be much more inclined to vote for Jackal today. If we come to the understanding that Jag is the better choice for today then so be it I will vote for him.

[The Jackal]

I agree with you that JAG is a strong villager, but usually he does a lot more analyzing when he's a villager. Granted he hasn't felt hes needed to analyze beyond NTN/me the past couple of days, but still. There isn't any solid info to say I'm not a wolf, but there isn't any solid info to say that I am.. I don't envy anyone picking if it's a JAG vs me showdown, and I didn't really want it to come to that situation anyways.

[The Jackal]

I've got to finish getting dinner ready, Ill try to check back in later to see if there's been any movement instead of leaving a vote on an outlying candidate right now. I still think focusing attacks is the best route hereon out.

[Zinto]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

I tend to believe that one of chubby, mau, and zinto are a wolf. I said earlier that I expected a wolf to use an ability/interaction to clear a villager (or in mau's case kill a wolf) and in a game with more than a few wolves I think it's a guarantee one of them did so.

I wouldn't doubt this was true either. It would make sense to buy trust someway if you where a wolf. The only counter to that is what if the wolves where waiting until a later day to fake a scan. Then Danny says that no more scans can be given out through character interaction so their plan would fall apart.

[Zinto]

Also for all the talk that Jag was holding up lynching NTNT there are some things wrong with it. For one Eagle told us NTN had 7 health and 0 defense. Why would everyone need to vote for NTN that day? More then likely we over killed him a bit. Second is why would Jag make a concerted effort as a wolf to try and pull away votes from someone who was going to turn up to be a wolf eventually? It does not seem like a very sound wolf strategy to me.

[Zinto]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

So given the general state of things I think Hulk might be our best choice. We have no reason to think he's guilty, but unlike others definitely no reason to think he's innocent.

Athena attacks Hulk

I understand the reasoning but I am refusing to vote for the Hulk again. Sure he has given us nothing but as long as Schmidty is getting on to vote I am fine with him being alive.

[Zinto]

Anyways I figure I should lay down my vote fro now and see what happens.

Dwight attacks Keyser

[JAG]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

And you don't think wolves would make an effort to have something to clear them? Obviously not everyone who's used an action to clear a villager or against a wolf is a wolf, but smart wolves lay nuggets in their favor. I haven't had the opportunity to use an interaction, so that's why I've got nothing pointing to clear me. I'm just been trying to make the best votes I can. Would it be better if I led a campaign against someone on gut? I don't have a particularly strong read on anyone, just an idea that a wolf would've used any opportunity they could to have something to raise them above others nearing endgame. And when I've gone out on a limb, it's been either the mckerney theory, who I was clearly wrong about and didn't even stick with, or hulk, which you've framed as making me look bad anyways. So.. yeah.

Just to be clear, I don't just mean special abilities / interactions for stuff to point to, I'm also talking votes. EF and BK had very solid votes on ntn, Chubby attacking and being attacked by CF prior to his wolf scan, and whatever else I laid out earlier today.

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by Zinto

Also for all the talk that Jag was holding up lynching NTNT there are some things wrong with it. For one Eagle told us NTN had 7 health and 0 defense. Why would everyone need to vote for NTN that day? More then likely we over killed him a bit. Second is why would Jag make a concerted effort as a wolf to try and pull away votes from someone who was going to turn up to be a wolf eventually? It does not seem like a very sound wolf strategy to me.

I think people are forgetting the order of things. JAG voted at 12:15 PM (post #1289), 25 minutes after Danny processed the day and he was the 1st vote. he refused to even consider moving his vote the whole day. It's not like he got his vote in at 8pm when it was already decided ntn was going down.

[Darth Vilus]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

DV can I ask why you voted for me yesterday? You sort've asked about people and then flybyed me with no reasoning.

i was just looking through other candidates and decided on you. i actually didnt even notice that ntn voted you til later. i was just looking back through votes and was trying to see where the last wolf might be hiding

[Darth Vilus]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

So given the general state of things I think Hulk might be our best choice. We have no reason to think he's guilty, but unlike others definitely no reason to think he's innocent.

Athena attacks Hulk

Why? And he's so strong do you even think we could take him? Sounds like a wasted vote to me

[Darth Vilus]

and a wasted day of voting

[Zinto]

Originally Posted by Chubby

I think people are forgetting the order of things. JAG voted at 12:15 PM (post #1289), 25 minutes after Danny processed the day and he was the 1st vote. he refused to even consider moving his vote the whole day. It's not like he got his vote in at 8pm when it was already decided ntn was going down.

I would assume a wolf would vote for another wolf though. Why would a wolf float his vote out on someone else when even before Jag voted a consensus had been decided that NTN was a wolf and used his ability to avoid damage. Jags vote stands out to much for a wolf to do.

[Danny]

As of 1519

Keyser Soze: Melisandre, Dwight
Hulk: Athena
Melissandre: Super Grover, Oscar, Keyser
Oscar: Mal, Jayne

[Zinto]

NTN voting Jacal almost seems like a wolf trying to throw us off anothers trail. Why not just attack Autumn when he was going down? It doesn't make sense to even began to start clearing someone like that at this point in the game.

[Chubby]

Mal and jayne switched to jag right before your previous update danny

[Darth Vilus]

I would look at JAG, Jackal, and Barkeep personally

[JAG]

DV, if you think BK, then you have to assume Zinto is a wolf because he cleared him with a soothsayer statement. It makes no sense to vote BK before Zinto.

[Zinto]

If you think Barkeep is a wolf lynch me first. That way when I come up a villager it will clear him. Lynching Barkeep first does not clear anyone.

[Darth Vilus]

I'd pick one of the other two first but what reason can you give for him wanting to take down Hulk?

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by Darth Vilus

I'd pick one of the other two first but what reason can you give for him wanting to take down Hulk?

I believe his reasoning is that we still don't know if Schmidty will come around everyday to make a vote, and on top of that we have no idea if the hulk is a good character or not. There hasn't been anything to clear him, just the idea that he hasn't been around and that's unlikely to be a wolf?

[Darth Vilus]

Does it make sense to anyone? If you were that last wolf and there was aplayer that strong out there who did random attacks wouldnt you be nervous?

I'm not saying lynch him now, just think about it. Would he beable to nightkill him? Very doubtful. that means he would have to get him lynched

[Darth Vilus]

wouldnt you take out the risk of being attacked when everyone else believed you to be good?

[The Jackal]

But yes, if you think BK is bad that means Zinto/BK are likely the last two wolves. Which is still entirely possible, especially since if Zinto came up wolf it wouldn't necessarily mean BK was a wolf either, and they could be hoping to keep him alive. But that seems like a very low percentage vote at this point.

[Darth Vilus]

Think about it objectively

[The Jackal]

I had postured earlier DV that maybe Schmidty's attacks are random but can only hit villagers. Would be an interesting wolf ability, but probably isn't the case. But if you really think BK is bad, Zinto has to be the vote ahead of him.

[The Jackal]

I understand what you're driving at. By why are you so sure the hulk is good? That's where BK is coming from. He could still be a wolf, and if he is we're pretty much f'ed for meta-gamey type reasons.

[Zinto]

I understand that BK's attack is head scratching and if I was anyone else in the game I would be jumping all over him for doing so as well. It does not make any sense to take attack the Hulk and if we where going to try and kill him we should have done so yesterday.

[Darth Vilus]

My vibe mainly, i just dont think hulk is. you dont have to listen to me, im just saying my peace

[JAG]

Dont forget to get in interactions / attacks for the special characters if you haven't already.

[Danny]

As of 1538

Keyser Soze: Melisandre, Dwight
Hulk: Athena
Melissandre: Super Grover, Oscar, Keyser, Mal, Jayne

[Danny]

Missing Ctulu, Hulk and Duke Nukem

[Danny]

Although my plans were cancelled, don't forget the deadline is in 30 minutes.

[EagleFan]

30 minutes? oops, almost forgot... was thinking 10 for some reason.

[Darth Vilus]

Attack Melisandre

I thought i had awhile left lol. My bad

[EagleFan]

Duke attacks Hulk

Still debating but this is a place holder since it looks like we may be another random attack from him.

[Zinto]

I am pretty sure we do have until ten so an hour and half left.

[Danny]

No, 23 minutes now, I had changed deadline to 6 because I had plans and wasn't going to be around after that. My plans got cancelled, but I want to stick to the deadline I set.

[Danny]

Keyser Soze: Melisandre, Dwight
Hulk: Athena, Eaglefan
Melissandre: Super Grover, Oscar, Keyser, Mal, Jayne, Cthulu

[Zinto]

Oh I did not even see that you had changed the deadline.

[Danny]

Just missing Hulk now

[EagleFan]

Okay, I wasn't going crazy. It has been 10 up until tonight.