NBC: Heroes

[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

I'm glad I've stuck to my policy of not reading any of them, if they are giving up "MEGA" spoilers. I do look forward to going back and reading them after the season is over though.

You are going to be spoiled one way or another (when you read the comic or watch the show).

I consider the comic to be an invaluable addition to the show. So it was no more a problem than when HRG told the Haitian to wipe his memory and then shoot him in the TV show.

[mckerney]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Spoiler

I've read that theory elsewhere - Peter hadn't met Claire yet, no regen. BUT, in that case, the glass shard that hits him in the head... how is that healed? Linderman? Because for Hiro to know Peter, Peter would have to survive that... but in the original timeline, Claire dies when Sylar goes to Texas

Spoiler

It's very possible on that timeline the meeting never would have taken place, of may not have happened in the same way. Without Hiro telling him to save the cheerleader much of what took place after leaving for Texas may not have occured, and Sylar may not be captured, leading to different events. I think the message is that Hiro has managed to succeed in changing some of the events on the past, but no matter what he does there's still an exploding man in the middle of New York.

[mckerney]

Originally Posted by mckerney

Spoiler

It's very possible on that timeline the meeting never would have taken place, of may not have happened in the same way. Without Hiro telling him to save the cheerleader much of what took place after leaving for Texas may not have occured, and Sylar may not be captured, leading to different events. I think the message is that Hiro has managed to succeed in changing some of the events on the past, but no matter what he does there's still an exploding man in the middle of New York.

Semi Spoiler with this

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I think Isaac's death may have been changed from when Hiro originally found him in his studio after going to the future. Hiro found him the day after Peter was elected, I'm not sure if we're that close to the election yet as the last episode didn't seem to be election day. It's possible he could have been found much later, but the blood did not make it appear that way. Also, when Hiro found Isaac he had a goatee (as he seemed to in some of the paintings), while he didn't in the last episode, and also wasn't dead over the mural (which may not be evidence of something changed, as it might be a lack of continuity in production).

[kingfc22]

Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

I'm glad I've stuck to my policy of not reading any of them, if they are giving up "MEGA" spoilers. I do look forward to going back and reading them after the season is over though.

I'm with EF on this one. I'll be reading these as soon as the season is over.

[TazFTW]

Originally Posted by mckerney

Spoiler

It's very possible on that timeline the meeting never would have taken place, of may not have happened in the same way. Without Hiro telling him to save the cheerleader much of what took place after leaving for Texas may not have occured, and Sylar may not be captured, leading to different events. I think the message is that Hiro has managed to succeed in changing some of the events on the past, but no matter what he does there's still an exploding man in the middle of New York.

I agree with this assessment.

[spleen1015]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Nope.. it isn't . Though I'm sad at the MEGA spoiler in this week's comic. Would have been better to be kept in the dark on that (usually the spoilers aren't that big). Though it is easier to stop and say "Whoa" with the comic than pause the show and go back and see if I heard that right.

The comics are great for filling in the details though. Really flesh things out nicely. I think some may read all of them when the season is over and find out some really fun stuff.

What are you considering the MEGA spoiler?

[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by spleen1015

What are you considering the MEGA spoiler?

Spoiler

Sylar was the bomb... not Peter, or Ted for that matter

[Anthony]

i haven't read the comics yet (a friend of mine does and doesn't make it out to be the most shocking and experience-ruining thing in the world that some over here do), but i'm going with the train of thought that if something as "big" as what ISiddiqui read in the comics was revealed then it must not have been as integral to the storyline as we would suppose it would be.


**spoiler alert/theory below**


ever since peter got the ability to control all his powers, and especially after fighting Sylar (showing that he can control multiple powers at will), i stopped thinking Peter was the bomb. the whole point behind peter thinking he was going to explode was because he thought he didn't have control over all the powers he aquired. now that he can, it doesn't make sense that all of a sudden he would spontaneously explode like his dreams made it seem like he would. the comic revealing that it was Sylar isn't as "mega" as you would think. it's actually kinda fresh and exciting that the show would confirm that rather than use the old conventional method of stringing us along and then *surprise* Sylar was the bomb! that to me suggests they have even bigger storylines involved that to let us know it won't be peter is unimportant in the grand scheme of things.

[lordscarlet]

Originally Posted by Hell Atlantic

i haven't read the comics yet (a friend of mine does and doesn't make it out to be the most shocking and experience-ruining thing in the world that some over here do), but i'm going with the train of thought that if something as "big" as what ISiddiqui read in the comics was revealed then it must not have been as integral to the storyline as we would suppose it would be.

**spoiler alert/theory below**


ever since nathan got the ability to control all his powers, and especially after fighting Sylar (showing that he can control multiple powers at will), i stopped thinking Nathan was the bomb. the whole point behind nathan thinking he was going to explode was because he thought he didn't have control over all the powers he aquired. now that he can, it doesn't make sense that all of a sudden he would spontaneously explode like his dreams made it seem like he would. the comic revealing that it was Sylar isn't as "mega" as you would think. it's actually kinda fresh and exciting that the show would confirm that rather than use the old conventional method of stringing us along and then *surprise* Sylar was the bomb! that to me suggests they have even bigger storylines involved that to let us know it won't be Nathan is unimportant in the grand scheme of things.

And by Nathan you mean Peter?

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by lordscarlet

And by Nathan you mean Peter?

lol, i always get them mixed up. i'll fix that, thanx.


hey, it was a 50/50 chance i'd be right.

[gottimd]

Well if theories posted here are correct and it is Sylar as the "exploding man", I guess Ted bites the big one before the seasons end. But if its Sylar, and that does happen, who becomes the villain? Eric Roberts and Co?

I can see it being Sylar since he doesn't really grasp how to use powers when he gets them, he learns how to use them as time goes on. That would leave me to believe that if he is the exploding man, he probably kills Ted shortly before he blows up and hasn't had a chance to control that power and is angered in the middle of the street by something and just blows up literally?

[ISiddiqui]

HA, well my postulation that it was a mega spoiler wasn't that it wasn't foreseeable, but that it was a big plot point that was somewhat ambiguous.

Though it is also spoiled by the "Next Week on Heroes" preview, if you look closely (maybe that should go in spoiler boxes as well ).

[Eaglesfan27]

FWIW, I don't watch the previews of next week at the end of each show either, usually.

[spleen1015]

At this point, I don't think we know who the bomb is going to be.

We know that Bennett, Parkman and Ted are on their way to NY to stop 'The Co.'. So, there is reason to think that it can be Ted.

Maybe we find out in the next episode who the bomb was that causes the future we will see.

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

HA, well my postulation that it was a mega spoiler wasn't that it wasn't foreseeable, but that it was a big plot point that was somewhat ambiguous.

i hear that. still, it's pretty amazing they revealed that rather than how other shows would have handled it.

someone else called it though (on an unrelated topic), that girl who can change appearance (the one who always wears that hot Britney Spears hit me baby one more time school girl skirt) is going to be too much of a convenient thing for the writers.

Writer A: "how can we get this character to do someone they normally wouldn't do?"
Writer B: "let's get that girl who can change appearances to trick them."

too convenient. that's an instant safety net for any plot device. she's already been used to capture Claire's father, and now she was used to "kidnap" micah. try harder, guys.

and as for linderman - since claire already has the regeneration power, i'm assuming his power is he can make things come back to life? another too convenient power? does that mean perhaps isaac can come back to life? i'm sure his power to see the future was a tool heavily utilized by linderman (who bought his paintings). i can't see linderman letting that asset go to waste (if he can in fact bring things to life). that's my theory. if he does in fact have the power to bring things back to life, then he brings isaac back to life.


oooo, oooo, oooo....another theory: i'm sure that's why isaac was rather calm and accepting that he was going to die. maybe not so much that he knew Sylar would kill him, but he knew someone would be able to bring him back to life. could that be why when Sylar pinned him down, Isaac was in a "cross" position (armed outstretched and legs together), like a certain Jesus Christ, who, in case you didn't read that comic, also comes back to life.

[spleen1015]

Originally Posted by Hell Atlantic

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and as for linderman - since claire already has the regeneration power, i'm assuming his power is he can make things come back to life?

The comics answer this question.

[ISiddiqui]

Wow... that's a great theory and it makes complete sense. Never even thought of it that way. Issac doesn't care because he knows that in the future he'll be brought back.

Though I wonder how that will work without his brain? Do they find it somewhere (I don't think Sylar literally eats them) and put it back?

[spleen1015]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Spoiler

Sylar was the bomb... not Peter, or Ted for that matter

The more I think about this, the more I think this will be revealed in the next episode. There's hasn't been any important info revealed in the comics that hasn't been revealed on the show. They have to get that information out there. It is pretty important to the overall plot.

[spleen1015]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Wow... that's a great theory and it makes complete sense. Never even thought of it that way. Issac doesn't care because he knows that in the future he'll be brought back.

Though I wonder how that will work without his brain? Do they find it somewhere (I don't think Sylar literally eats them) and put it back?

Spoiler

In the comic that goes over Linderman's background, it shows that he can only heal the living. He can't bring things back to life.

[gottimd]

I think Isaac "mayrted" himself, because he lost Simone because he killed her. I think Isaac knew his death by Sylar was a going to lead to Sylars eventual death and wanted to keep Sylar on that path.

I'm sure Linderman knows or will find out that Peter has that "sponge-like" power and not need Isaac because Peter already has that power.

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by spleen1015

Spoiler

In the comic that goes over Linderman's background, it shows that he can only heal the living. He can't bring things back to life.

i'm sure the comics are correct, but that flower he brought back to life looked pretty dead to me. i mean, maybe he doesn't know the extent of his powers. Ted didn't know he could do EMP's until this last episode, just to prove a point.

[spleen1015]

Originally Posted by Hell Atlantic

i'm sure the comics are correct, but that flower he brought back to life looked pretty dead to me. i mean, maybe he doesn't know the extent of his powers. Ted didn't know he could do EMP's until this last episode, just to prove a point.

That may be true, but a good point has already been made. Peter now has Isaac's ability. So, he's not needed in that way anymore.

One thing I want to do is go back and watch the part where Hiro shows up at Isaac's apartment and he is dead. I want to see if there are any differences in that scene and the one where we see Sylar get him.

[gottimd]

Originally Posted by Hell Atlantic

i mean, maybe he doesn't know the extent of his powers. Ted didn't know he could do EMP's until this last episode, just to prove a point.

I think at his age, Linderman would know. Plus he noted in that episode that "A long time ago, a group of people like him....", so it would seem that he has had plenty of time to learn, perfect his own power. Ted it seems like has only had knowledge of his power for maybe a year or so and thats pushing it.

So would it be safe to assume that Linderman can bring back things that are on the brink of destruction/death? The Cheerleader and Peter can heal fast as long as the thing obstructing the process of healing is removed? Remember when the Cheerleader was in the car accident, she came alive once the M.E. removed something from her body that was impeding the healing.

[mckerney]

Originally Posted by spleen1015

That may be true, but a good point has already been made. Peter now has Isaac's ability. So, he's not needed in that way anymore.

One thing I want to do is go back and watch the part where Hiro shows up at Isaac's apartment and he is dead. I want to see if there are any differences in that scene and the one where we see Sylar get him.

There are differences. In the first it did not apear that Isaac was spread out and stabbed with paintbrushes, Isaac had a goatee in the 2nd episode when Hiro found him, did not when Sylar killed him the last episode, was laying on top of the mural of the explosion in the last episode, was not when Hiro found him. Some of this might be a lack of continuity that should be there, but it seems that this would be something that would be important to keep the same.

[spleen1015]

Originally Posted by mckerney

There are differences. In the first it did not apear that Isaac was spread out and stabbed with paintbrushes, Isaac had a goatee in the 2nd episode when Hiro found him, did not when Sylar killed him the last episode, was laying on top of the mural of the explosion in the last episode, was not when Hiro found him. Some of this might be a lack of continuity that should be there, but it seems that this would be something that would be important to keep the same.

There has been a lot of things happen that could result in this happening at different times.

It has been mentioned that Hiro showed up at Isaac's the day after Nathan won the election and while he was there the bomb went off. The election hasn't happened yet, so it is clear that Sylar got Isaac at a different time than what Hiro saw.

It is hard to put into words.

[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by Hell Atlantic

i'm sure the comics are correct, but that flower he brought back to life looked pretty dead to me. i mean, maybe he doesn't know the extent of his powers. Ted didn't know he could do EMP's until this last episode, just to prove a point.

And of course that is the question. Was the plant dead or on the verge of death? Subtle distinction, but very important to determining the full extent of Linderman's power.

[mckerney]

Originally Posted by spleen1015

There has been a lot of things happen that could result in this happening at different times.

It has been mentioned that Hiro showed up at Isaac's the day after Nathan won the election and while he was there the bomb went off. The election hasn't happened yet, so it is clear that Sylar got Isaac at a different time than what Hiro saw.

It is hard to put into words.

Yeah, that's something I mentioned in my post where I said it was a semi spoiler, because I was mentioning something that was close to the comic. This is an element that fits in my belief that future Hiro has been able to change some things that have happened in the past, but the things that were predicted still came true.

[Swaggs]

**SPOILER IF YOU HAVE NOT WATCHED THE PREVIEWS FOR NEXT WEEK**



There was a short scene with a television channel showing a picture of Sylar saying "America Remembers," or something like that. I am wondering if Sylar somehow gets the shape-shifters powers and takes credit for someone else's heroic act and then lives as that person, who presumably died heroically, for the next five years. Could be Nathan, as he seemed a little out of character in the scenes for next week AND from the drawing Sylar drew at the end of this week, I could see Sylar assuming Nathan's persona and getting into the White House.

[spleen1015]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

**SPOILER IF YOU HAVE NOT WATCHED THE PREVIEWS FOR NEXT WEEK**



There was a short scene with a television channel showing a picture of Sylar saying "America Remembers," or something like that. I am wondering if Sylar somehow gets the shape-shifters powers and takes credit for someone else's heroic act and then lives as that person, who presumably died heroically, for the next five years. Could be Nathan, as he seemed a little out of character in the scenes for next week AND from the drawing Sylar drew at the end of this week, I could see Sylar assuming Nathan's persona and getting into the White House.

That is a really cool theory. I like it. That would explain why Sylar had a smile on his face when they showed him painting.

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

**SPOILER IF YOU HAVE NOT WATCHED THE PREVIEWS FOR NEXT WEEK**



There was a short scene with a television channel showing a picture of Sylar saying "America Remembers," or something like that. I am wondering if Sylar somehow gets the shape-shifters powers and takes credit for someone else's heroic act and then lives as that person, who presumably died heroically, for the next five years. Could be Nathan, as he seemed a little out of character in the scenes for next week AND from the drawing Sylar drew at the end of this week, I could see Sylar assuming Nathan's persona and getting into the White House.

excellent. i like it. it's not necessarily Nathan we're seeing, we're seeing Sylar in disguise, which explains the "evilish" looking Nathan. plus, the girl who has the shape-changing power is a minor character, one easily disposed of.

[Bee]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

**SPOILER IF YOU HAVE NOT WATCHED THE PREVIEWS FOR NEXT WEEK**



There was a short scene with a television channel showing a picture of Sylar saying "America Remembers," or something like that. I am wondering if Sylar somehow gets the shape-shifters powers and takes credit for someone else's heroic act and then lives as that person, who presumably died heroically, for the next five years. Could be Nathan, as he seemed a little out of character in the scenes for next week AND from the drawing Sylar drew at the end of this week, I could see Sylar assuming Nathan's persona and getting into the White House.

Spoiler

That's exactly what my wife and I were discussing last night after watching the episode. After seeing the previews and talking about the painting, we figured Sylar will kill of mimic girl and steal her powers and then do something to Nathan after he wins the election and take his place. Also fits in with Sylar being around next season (which some consider a spoiler so I put this in spoiler tags).

[gottimd]

Just because it has been said somewhere that a character is in next season, I wouldn't think that means they definitely survive. Take a look at Lost, Boone is still in flashbacks. I think if Hiro can travel back and forth in time, anyone can technically still be signed onto the show for Season 2 but the character only being alive in the past?

My thoughts are that at some point they have to kill Sylar or won't it just become too implausible for anyone to stop him other than Peter, who would have to absorb and learn how to use every power Sylar has inherited at that moment to even have a chance to beat him?

I don't understand why Sylar was so interested in Isaacs power in the first place. Wow, he can paint the future! I would think Sylar wants more physical powers that he can assert over others.

[spleen1015]

Originally Posted by gottimd

Just because it has been said somewhere that a character is in next season, I wouldn't think that means they definitely survive. Take a look at Lost, Boone is still in flashbacks. I think if Hiro can travel back and forth in time, anyone can technically still be signed onto the show for Season 2 but the character only being alive in the past?

My thoughts are that at some point they have to kill Sylar or won't it just become too implausible for anyone to stop him other than Peter, who would have to absorb and learn how to use every power Sylar has inherited at that moment to even have a chance to beat him?

I don't understand why Sylar was so interested in Isaacs power in the first place. Wow, he can paint the future! I would think Sylar wants more physical powers that he can assert over others.

Sylar's thirst is for the powers. When he realized Mohinder had destroyed the list, his only known source for another power was Isaac, who he found out about by reading the scrap piece of paper.

To him, he was just getting another power. It doesn't matter to him what it does.

[MikeVic]

Awesome episode.

Suresh annoys the hell out of me!

About Sylar... If Sylar has Isaac's power, maybe he thinks he will draw other heroes too. Isaac seemed to do that quite often. So that could be a way to gain more powers, if he knows of a time and place that a hero will be?

About Isaac... Maybe in the comic he just finished, he drew of a way to destroy Sylar. Didn't he say that he doesn't care if he dies because he'll finally become a hero for informing others how to destroy Sylar?

[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by MikeVic

Awesome episode.
About Sylar... If Sylar has Isaac's power, maybe he thinks he will draw other heroes too. Isaac seemed to do that quite often. So that could be a way to gain more powers, if he knows of a time and place that a hero will be?

Yep, that's what I thought as well. His only way of finding out other heroes now is to draw them.

About Isaac... Maybe in the comic he just finished, he drew of a way to destroy Sylar. Didn't he say that he doesn't care if he dies because he'll finally become a hero for informing others how to destroy Sylar?

Either there or the scrap book.

[Travis]

Originally Posted by MikeVic

Awesome episode.

Suresh annoys the hell out of me!

About Sylar... If Sylar has Isaac's power, maybe he thinks he will draw other heroes too. Isaac seemed to do that quite often. So that could be a way to gain more powers, if he knows of a time and place that a hero will be?

About Isaac... Maybe in the comic he just finished, he drew of a way to destroy Sylar. Didn't he say that he doesn't care if he dies because he'll finally become a hero for informing others how to destroy Sylar?

Maybe he should have drawn Mohinder killing Sylar while he was unconscious.

Seriously, any mayhem from here on out is on that guy's shoulders. Why couldn't the writers have come up with a better way for Sylar to make it out of that fight/situation alive.

Gah!

[Celeval]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Spoiler

Sylar was the bomb... not Peter, or Ted for that matter

I don't think you're right... or, at least, I'm reading that differently.

Spoiler

Going by the comic, Sylar was the bomb - and was able to survive by killing Claire and taking her regeneration. The implication is that when Future-Hiro talked to Peter, that timeline changed... Claire survived, but the bomb still went off. We don't know that it's still Sylar.

[Arles]

Originally Posted by Celeval

I don't think you're right... or, at least, I'm reading that differently.

Spoiler

Going by the comic, Sylar was the bomb - and was able to survive by killing Claire and taking her regeneration. The implication is that when Future-Hiro talked to Peter, that timeline changed... Claire survived, but the bomb still went off. We don't know that it's still Sylar.

I agree with this Spoiler. I don't want to go into too much without the tag, but I think the point of the comic was to show that Hiro tried to alter the future with the "save the cheerleader" line to Peter in the subway, but the same thing ended up happening (just different characters involved). I'm guessing he went back too soon and the events still played out. Maybe this new "timeline on strings" in the future will find a different way to avoid it altogether.

[Easy Mac]

http://www.votepetrelli.com/

[bulletsponge]

ive never watched this show, but from the comercials ive seen isnt it just a X-men tv show?

[WVUFAN]

Originally Posted by bulletsponge

ive never watched this show, but from the comercials ive seen isnt it just a X-men tv show?

I akin it more to Rising Stars, with quite a bit of Watchmen in it, especially given last week's episode. It actually bears very little resemblance to X-Men.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by WVUFAN

I akin it more to Rising Stars, with quite a bit of Watchmen in it, especially given last week's episode. It actually bears very little resemblance to X-Men.

Agreed.

[Easy Mac]

A spoilerish article on the watchmen/heroes similarity. No spoilers unless you missed last week.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/04242007...nch.htm?page=2

[MikeVic]

Can someone tell me what happened in the last couple minutes? Right after Sylar revealed himself to Peter. The stupid local channel here cut out!

[spleen1015]

Originally Posted by MikeVic

Can someone tell me what happened in the last couple minutes? Right after Sylar revealed himself to Peter. The stupid local channel here cut out!

Hiro just teleported back to present time and the episode ended. Nothing earth shattering.

[MikeVic]

Originally Posted by spleen1015

Hiro just teleported back to present time and the episode ended. Nothing earth shattering.

Oh ok, so he was able to do it then.

[spleen1015]

Originally Posted by MikeVic

Oh ok, so he was able to do it then.

Yeah. They ended up back on top of that building. He pulled out the comic book and said "Now for the hard part...."

Nothing else.

[Easy Mac]

So which timeline were they working on in this episode? Future Hiro seemed to be of the impression that he stabbed Sylar, only the bomb still went off. So the Future Hiro that former Hiro ran into didn't belong in that timeline?

From my gathering:
In the original timeline, Hiro stabs Sylar, but because Sylar killed Claire, it didn't matter. So Hiro then teleports back to warn Peter to save the cheerleader, then teleports to the future to admire his work. Except nothing changed and the bomb still went off, but what happened to the Hiro that would have existed in that time line? He couldn't have been killed, because he would have had to teleport back in time in the original bomb timeline, in which he would have stabbed Sylar, but Sylar lived to explode. Perhaps someone else can flesh out the timeline for me so that it makes sense.

[spleen1015]

Originally Posted by Easy Mac

So which timeline were they working on in this episode? Future Hiro seemed to be of the impression that he stabbed Sylar, only the bomb still went off. So the Future Hiro that former Hiro ran into didn't belong in that timeline?

From my gathering:
In the original timeline, Hiro stabs Sylar, but because Sylar killed Claire, it didn't matter. So Hiro then teleports back to warn Peter to save the cheerleader, then teleports to the future to admire his work. Except nothing changed and the bomb still went off, but what happened to the Hiro that would have existed in that time line? He couldn't have been killed, because he would have had to teleport back in time in the original bomb timeline, in which he would have stabbed Sylar, but Sylar lived to explode. Perhaps someone else can flesh out the timeline for me so that it makes sense.

I guess it is the same time line and certain events just changed.

[FrogMan]

Originally Posted by MikeVic

Can someone tell me what happened in the last couple minutes? Right after Sylar revealed himself to Peter. The stupid local channel here cut out!

same thing happened to me, fucking Global's got it all right, fucking bunch of morons cutting off the shows even though they present it an hour earlier to make room for 24 at 9. I was recording off NBC and yet they found a way to put their stupid feed over it. arrrggg, damn they piss me off!

/end rant

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