Big 10 Expansion Thread -Big Ten ready for a playoff .. finally?

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by cartman

Your AD seems to think highly of him.

SBJ Athletic Director of the Year: DeLoss Dodds

Kissing a person's ass for political and business purposes as opposed to respect. Those are two totally different things.

[cartman]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Kissing a person's ass for political and business purposes as opposed to respect. Those are two totally different things.

When asked for a comment, he could have passed. He didn't.

But, keep fucking that chicken, MBBF!

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by cartman

When asked for a comment, he could have passed. He didn't.

But, keep fucking that chicken, MBBF!

Your understanding of how people advance their interests in the political and business arena is underwhelming.

[cartman]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Your understanding of how people advance their interests in the political and business arena is underwhelming.

that chicken is clucking up a storm!

[duckman]

Originally Posted by cartman

But, keep fucking that chicken, MBBF!

MY SOURCES WERE WRONG!

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by duckman

MY SOURCES WERE WRONG!

[cartman]

Originally Posted by duckman

MY SOURCES WERE WRONG!

No, he just wanted to last longer for the date with the chicken.

[MJ4H]

[dawgfan]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

I'm just kind of anti-social that way.

Wait, what? This is shocking news I tell you, shocking!

[MJ4H]

Texas has apparently informed its coaches they are going to "Pac 16?"

[Galaxy]

The guy on the street corner told me the South Central Louisiana State University Mud Dogs were joining the SEC.

[Solecismic]

The reason I mention New Mexico and Utah as possibilities for the Pac Ten is that they have significant presences in slightly smaller markets. Salt Lake City is the #31 DMA, Albuquerque/Santa Fe is #44. Compare that to Lubbock (#143).

Kansas would help a lot with #32 Kansas City and #69 Wichita.

The idea is bringing a solid academic school from mid-major to major is an expansion possibility. New Mexico represents a real opportunity without greatly adding to travel costs (especially if paired with Colorado). One similar example is how quickly Connecticut has moved from I-AA to a school on the fringe (outside fringe, but still in discussions) of a Big Ten bid.

There aren't that many opportunities remaining like that.

Sounds like Maryland might be in play now. A top-notch academic reputation, long athletic history, significant access to two major markets. It would be interesting if the Big Ten added only Notre Dame, Maryland and Nebraska. I could see that working.

[MJ4H]

How much speculation has there been towards Rutgers to the Big 10? That's what I'm reading pretty seriously here lately. Like "it's happening" seriously.

[MJ4H]

Originally Posted by Galaxy

The guy on the street corner told me the South Central Louisiana State University Mud Dogs were joining the SEC.

GO MUD DOGS

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by MJ4H

Texas has apparently informed its coaches they are going to "Pac 16?"

If Nebraska goes to the Big Ten and Texas goes to the Pac 10, can the SEC just take Oklahoma and we can officially turn out the lights for the Big 12?

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by MJ4H

How much speculation has there been towards Rutgers to the Big 10? That's what I'm reading pretty seriously here lately. Like "it's happening" seriously.

They've always been a part of the 14 or 16 team discussion. Shouldn't be surprising to anyone.

[Masked]

Originally Posted by Galaxy

The guy on the street corner told me the South Central Louisiana State University Mud Dogs were joining the SEC.

They might as well join. I think most of the SEC teams have scheduled a home game against them in the past few years.

[MJ4H]

Originally Posted by Matthean

If Nebraska goes to the Big Ten and Texas goes to the Pac 10, can the SEC just take Oklahoma and we can officially turn out the lights for the Big 12?

Oh the lights are already out for the big 12. Don't think OU and the SEC have much chance of getting together, but what I've read, Rutgers will be the next team invited to the Big 10.

[MJ4H]

Originally Posted by Masked

They might as well join. I think most of the SEC teams have scheduled a home game against them in the past few years.

was going to dispute this but then realized that I had misread it as "home and home" so I can't dispute it.

[Swaggs]

Rutgers going next wouldn't be a surprise, but Maryland would be intriguing.

I mentioned this earlier (and read it elsewhere), but the Big Ten works more cohesively than any conference in the nation. It makes a lot of sense for them to not add a large block of teams from one conference (who have existing relationships) and instead grab one or two from the BE, B12, and/or ACC. For example, if they added Rutgers, Syracuse, Pitt, and Notre Dame to Penn State -- those five schools could really change the culture of the conference.

[MJ4H]

"Six schools being invited by Pac-10 - TX, A&M, Tech, OU, Ok State and Colo - expected to accept invitations, begin play in Pac-16 in 2012."

Chip Brown tweet. I assume people have been keeping up with that, but maybe not.

[Swaggs]

Poor Baylor. I'd like to think of it as karma for hiring Kenneth Starr, but I will actually feel sorry for them if they don't find a decent BCS home in a new B12/MWC hybrid.

[Celeval]

Originally Posted by Solecismic

Sounds like Maryland might be in play now. A top-notch academic reputation, long athletic history, significant access to two major markets. It would be interesting if the Big Ten added only Notre Dame, Maryland and Nebraska. I could see that working.

I had read on a handful of different ACC boards - and then today in the Sporting News - that Georgia Tech was actually in play for the Big Ten as well. I'm guessing that's mostly driven by very recently joining the AAU, but is Atlanta a big enough market draw for consideration, despite being so far out of the current footprint?

[Ksyrup]

One positive out of this is perhaps this makes a TCY2 a near certainty...?

[DeToxRox]

There is a rumor going around that the Big 10 has offered Texas, Texas A&M, Missouri and Notre Dame.

I highly doubt this but I have seen it on a few sites, probably just a snow ball effect from one "insider" elsewhere.

Something to keep an eye on anyway.

They also said Mizzou being accepted would be contingent on Texas joining.

[dawgfan]

Originally Posted by Solecismic

The reason I mention New Mexico and Utah as possibilities for the Pac Ten is that they have significant presences in slightly smaller markets. Salt Lake City is the #31 DMA, Albuquerque/Santa Fe is #44. Compare that to Lubbock (#143).

Kansas would help a lot with #32 Kansas City and #69 Wichita.

The idea is bringing a solid academic school from mid-major to major is an expansion possibility. New Mexico represents a real opportunity without greatly adding to travel costs (especially if paired with Colorado). One similar example is how quickly Connecticut has moved from I-AA to a school on the fringe (outside fringe, but still in discussions) of a Big Ten bid.

There aren't that many opportunities remaining like that.

Well, seems like the Pac-10 would rather limit expansion for the moment to 6 more teams, and given the political reasons that are forcing them to take Texas Tech along with Texas and Oklahoma State along with Oklahoma, there's just not much room left for exploring trying to build-up a mid-major.

The idea is boost revenue now, and adding teams to the mix to split the pie if they don't already bring a boost in TV ratings isn't what the Pac-10 is after. They're playing catch-up in a big way to the TV deals that the Big Ten and SEC already have.

[Swaggs]

Originally Posted by DeToxRox

There is a rumor going around that the Big 10 has offered Texas, Texas A&M, Missouri and Notre Dame.

I highly doubt this but I have seen it on a few sites, probably just a snow ball effect from one "insider" elsewhere.

Something to keep an eye on anyway.

They also said Mizzou being accepted would be contingent on Texas joining.

That scenario would be just about ideal for the Big East. All 8 football schools would remain intact and they would have a majority over the basketball schools with Notre Dame exiting. They could add one team from UCF, Temple, Memphis or East Carolina (I'd choose Memphis) and finally have a nice, balanced 8-game football schedule.

[DeToxRox]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

That scenario would be just about ideal for the Big East. All 8 football schools would remain intact and they would have a majority over the basketball schools with Notre Dame exiting. They could add one team from UCF, Temple, Memphis or East Carolina (I'd choose Memphis) and finally have a nice, balanced 8-game football schedule.

If that is true it'd still mean UT has to agree or else none of those teams most likely agree to come. It's ambitious though.

[Noop]

So Missouri is not going to the Big Ten? I think MBBF has some pretty crappy sources because he ends up wrong a lot. I mean hell when this thread started and he began posting all the time. I thought to myself "it sure will be ironic if they get left out of the Big Ten," while the door is not shut on them joining the Big Ten it sure has gotten interesting.

[MacroGuru]

Originally Posted by Solecismic

The reason I mention New Mexico and Utah as possibilities for the Pac Ten is that they have significant presences in slightly smaller markets. Salt Lake City is the #31 DMA, Albuquerque/Santa Fe is #44. Compare that to Lubbock (#143).

Utah doesn't necessarily give them the SLC market, the damn school can't even sell out it's own stadium even when they are undefeated and going to BCS bowls...their faithful doesn't travel all that well...don't get me wrong, I would love to see Utah go somewhere because their DC is a good friend of mine, but I would also hate to see them go because of the "Holy War" that usually means something for both teams...the last game of the season for Utah/BYU and most of the time means winner takes the conference championship.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Celeval

I had read on a handful of different ACC boards - and then today in the Sporting News - that Georgia Tech was actually in play for the Big Ten as well. I'm guessing that's mostly driven by very recently joining the AAU, but is Atlanta a big enough market draw for consideration, despite being so far out of the current footprint?

Everything else aside, Atlanta is the 8th largest TV market in the country, and is larger than anything in the B10 footprint except Chicago, so yeah it's definitely big enough to be worth consideration.

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

One positive out of this is perhaps this makes a TCY2 a near certainty...?

Oh God, I hope so.

Please Jim!!!

[Swaggs]

Originally Posted by Noop

So Missouri is not going to the Big Ten? I think MBBF has some pretty crappy sources because he ends up wrong a lot. I mean hell when this thread started and he began posting all the time. I thought to myself "it sure will be ironic if they get left out of the Big Ten," while the door is not shut on them joining the Big Ten it sure has gotten interesting.

You should do a search for the Kansas City Penguins.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by cartman

There is revenue sharing in the Big 12. All of the teams agreed to the method at the formation of the conference. Last year there was around $102 million split between the schools, with Texas at the top, receiving $10.2 million, and Baylor at the bottom, receiving $7.1 million.

How the Big 12 teams rank in revenue-sharing funds - Big 12 Blog - ESPN

I meant equal revenue sharing, and i figured you would know that...

[duckman]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

I meant equal revenue sharing, and i figured you would know that...

Why? Even as an OU fan, I know who brings in the biggest slice of the revenue pie, so it's a fair deal.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by duckman

Why? Even as an OU fan, I know who brings in the biggest slice of the revenue pie, so it's a fair deal.

But thats not what makes your conference better as a whole, by furthering the already large gap in athletic budgets...its not a coincidence that the conferences with equal revenue sharing are the ones dismantling our conference without it. Not the only factor by any means, but your kidding yourself if you dont think it was a major factor in NU and MU looking to the big 10, which all you southern guys is claiming is the only reason you guys are going to the Pac 10

[DeToxRox]

Ha, fake Dan Beebe on Twitter:

If Texas leaves, the Big XII has a contingency plan. We ask them to come back.
about 2 hours ago via TweetDeck

Big 10, if you want to play this game, I've had my eyes on Northwestern for a long time.
about 2 hours ago via TweetDeck

Over, Chip Brown? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Americans bombed Hiroshima?
about 4 hours ago via TweetDeck

I feel quite comfortable that the Big 12 will remain intact.
about 4 hours ago via TweetDeck

So this Nebraska business is a bit of a setback. At least Texas would never do us like that, right?
about 5 hours ago via web

Sometimes people forget about Kansas and Kansas State in all of this. I know I have.
about 6 hours ago via TweetDeck

You know what the "N" on Nebraska's helmets stands for? "Traitor."
about 6 hours ago via TweetDeck

I'd love to learn more about all this realignment news, but I only have a free subscription to Orangebloods.
about 20 hours ago via TweetDeck

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Celeval

I had read on a handful of different ACC boards - and then today in the Sporting News - that Georgia Tech was actually in play for the Big Ten as well. I'm guessing that's mostly driven by very recently joining the AAU, but is Atlanta a big enough market draw for consideration, despite being so far out of the current footprint?

Yuck..... I actually would rather Tech stay in the ACC and that conference stay intact.. if the cards look like the ACC is possibly going the way of the Big 12, then I guess I could handle tech going back to the SEC again... but Big 10? ew

[SackAttack]

So far Texas is apparently going to be offered by the Pac-10, the Big Ten, and the SEC.

Where are the ACC and Big East in all of this? Shouldn't they at least be kicking the Longhorn tires?

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by DeToxRox

There is a rumor going around that the Big 10 has offered Texas, Texas A&M, Missouri and Notre Dame.

I highly doubt this but I have seen it on a few sites, probably just a snow ball effect from one "insider" elsewhere.

Something to keep an eye on anyway.

They also said Mizzou being accepted would be contingent on Texas joining.

On the Northwestern rivals board it just has the added addendum of saying Mizzou's offer is contingent upon Texas and/or ND joining...not sure i expect this deal to take place over the Pac-16 offer, but it is at least another life-line for Mizzou out there possibly in the realm of rumors.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Alan T

Yuck..... I actually would rather Tech stay in the ACC and that conference stay intact.. if the cards look like the ACC is possibly going the way of the Big 12, then I guess I could handle tech going back to the SEC again... but Big 10? ew

I've got pretty much the opposite reaction to those two options. I wouldn't like it at all but I could probably hold my nose & learn to live with B10 membership. Honestly I believe GT has quite a bit more in common with their members than they do with the members of the SEC.

I'd rather see them drop everything down to 1-AA than join the SEC.

[timmynausea]

Originally Posted by SackAttack

So far Texas is apparently going to be offered by the Pac-10, the Big Ten, and the SEC.

Where are the ACC and Big East in all of this? Shouldn't they at least be kicking the Longhorn tires?

The MAC has offered to officially change the name to the "Mack Brown Conference" if Texas comes on board.

[DeToxRox]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

On the Northwestern rivals board it just has the added addendum of saying Mizzou's offer is contingent upon Texas and/or ND joining...not sure i expect this deal to take place over the Pac-16 offer, but it is at least another life-line for Mizzou out there possibly in the realm of rumors.

Yep, apparently this guy on the NW board said from the outset of the expansion rumblings that the Big 10 wanted ND, UT and Nebraska. Since Big 10 HQ are in Chicago there is a good chance he is connected into the offices.

[Blade6119]

As much as i dont necessarily like the Big 10 moves that ive heard today from a Mizzou perspective(offering nebraska, slow rolling on a ND response, and then now trying to pry the two Texas schools) I have to give them credit for being pretty intelligent rumors. If I were the big 10 commish, and wanted to make some pretty damn smart decisions, im not sure I could do much better then the way they are going about things. Again assuming what we hear is true, but when i hear these particular rumors they just make a lot of sense for the Big 10.

[Swaggs]

The Big East would be willing to offer Texas the opportunity to play all of their in-conference games at home and allow them to invite up to 7 of their BFFs.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by DeToxRox

Yep, apparently this guy on the NW board said from the outset of the expansion rumblings that the Big 10 wanted ND, UT and Nebraska. Since Big 10 HQ are in Chicago there is a good chance he is connected into the offices.

Well it would also make sense with what Mizzou people are saying about having or having had an offer, yet not acting on it at all which didnt make sense to me. Why if they had an offer would they slow-play things while Nebraska jumped ship? If this rumor is true, they have an offer they cant act on until other dominoes fall, explaining a lot of the confusion i had over some usually pretty trustworthy people saying Mizzou had an offer. Again, its just another rumor, but it would potentially answer some of the questions I had with earlier rumors.

[digamma]

Originally Posted by Celeval

I had read on a handful of different ACC boards - and then today in the Sporting News - that Georgia Tech was actually in play for the Big Ten as well. I'm guessing that's mostly driven by very recently joining the AAU, but is Atlanta a big enough market draw for consideration, despite being so far out of the current footprint?

Yeah, this is what I alluded to earlier when I said every message board guy thinks they know where their school is going. The Ga Tech "reporters" seem to have a reason to believe that GT will have an option to join either the Big Ten or the SEC if the dominoes start toppling. The thinking is that the Big Ten is looking to expand into the sun belt, and that the SEC will want to play defense and defend its turf.

Who knows?

[DeToxRox]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Well it would also make sense with what Mizzou people are saying about having or having had an offer, yet not acting on it at all which didnt make sense to me. Why if they had an offer would they slow-play things while Nebraska jumped ship? If this rumor is true, they have an offer they cant act on until other dominoes fall, explaining a lot of the confusion i had over some usually pretty trustworthy people saying Mizzou had an offer. Again, its just another rumor, but it would potentially answer some of the questions I had with earlier rumors.

It's a way to protect their ass. If UT turns down the Big 10 it's because they can take all their friends to the Pac 10. If ND turns down the Big 10 its because they have a cush deal as an independent and it was a long shot. If that happened then they can say "well, Missouri and A&M never really had offers, that is just not true". Instead they had a promise that should one of/both schools accept their invites, they would be the top choices to fill in.

[Galaxy]

I love how college athletics have become such a business in this thing. It's amusing to those who try to mask it as academic.

[Galaxy]

Originally Posted by DeToxRox

Yep, apparently this guy on the NW board said from the outset of the expansion rumblings that the Big 10 wanted ND, UT and Nebraska. Since Big 10 HQ are in Chicago there is a good chance he is connected into the offices.

So Texas, Nebraska, Notre Dame, and Missouri (pending on Texas) would bring the Big 10 up to 15? Would would get the lucky 16th spot? Rutgers? Kansas?