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One other thing we learn from this - as is evident from hoops' corpse, he was exactly that simple survivor as has been talked about. Which means that the characters we've seen - Charlie, Hurley and Jack - were likely all specials. So not only are we down 4 villagers, but we're down 3 specials and no wolves in sight.
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02-14-2006, 03:28 PM | #1504 | |
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Des, I for one would find it very helpful if you would post your spreadsheet.
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02-14-2006, 03:28 PM | #1505 | |
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02-14-2006, 03:30 PM | #1507 | |
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The thing I'm having the most problem with is that both Sun and Alan are saying not to vote for you, even though you're positive at least one of them or both are other.
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02-14-2006, 03:34 PM | #1508 | |
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What I find funny the Comic Book Guy level irony of you coming after me tonight if SunDvls chooses Alan. I should have known something like this would happen. Personally, I believe SunDvls is who he says he is. Someone would have disputed it earlier if he wasn't. |
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02-14-2006, 03:35 PM | #1509 | |
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02-14-2006, 03:36 PM | #1510 | |
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-I accused you of being linked with alan BEFORE sndvls made any move on alan -what the hell has sndvls claimed to be?
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02-14-2006, 03:37 PM | #1511 | |
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I will post it later. Sorry, I didn't mean to be melodramatic about it. Some of that post was just venting. It's not a whole lot of fun being the inquisitioned. I like being the inquisitor better. |
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02-14-2006, 03:38 PM | #1512 | |
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Don't get what you're saying? Sawyer, aka the duke |
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02-14-2006, 03:40 PM | #1513 | |
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02-14-2006, 03:40 PM | #1514 | |
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I think I see. Blade, I was commenting on the irony of you coming to kill me in the game after our blow-up earlier. |
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02-14-2006, 03:41 PM | #1515 | |
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the reason I say vote Alan or I is simple. let's say Alan and I were both misled and we are both villagers. It dams Blade and in my opinion clears Desnudo. If I'm a wolf and Alan is a villager it dams blade and clears Desnudo If Alan is a wolf then I am a villager and I think it pretty much clears Blade. in any case we get two known villagers out of the deal. |
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02-14-2006, 03:42 PM | #1516 | |
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02-14-2006, 03:46 PM | #1517 | |
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no, if I die to the lynch today, don't go after Blade. Thats the one thing i am trying to make clear. Also, I wouldn't clear Desnudo at my death either. I think he is doing the same thing to me that you are doing with Blade right now. I don't think we want to have any more confusion from a survivor's lynching. I think its very clear cut here if I get lynched and turn out to be the villager I say, it condemns one person : Sundvls. If he gets lynched and ends up a villager, then fine, come after me. I misread him bad enough to deserve that death. I think Desnudo and Raiders still need to be scrutinized on their own merits after this regardless of what happens. Blade needs to not be voted for, thats all I am saying here. |
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02-14-2006, 03:47 PM | #1518 | |
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Well forget I brought it up. Set security to: Schmidty Anyway, I looked back and saw the night comment. I took the duke role from this: "Alan & Desnudo which of you boys wants to go down, because I know it won't be me?" If he can shield himself from a night kill too then it's obviously an expanded role. |
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02-14-2006, 03:49 PM | #1519 | |
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If he is in a duke-role, as it sounds like, I think he is pretty much saying he will kill you or Alan if he is lynched. I don't see anything regarding a night kill. |
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02-14-2006, 03:54 PM | #1521 | |
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So, he's either bluffing (very well) or he is the duke. |
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02-14-2006, 03:55 PM | #1522 | |
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02-14-2006, 04:00 PM | #1523 |
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It looks like I'm going to have a lot of fun counting the votes again.
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02-14-2006, 04:02 PM | #1524 | |
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Not bluffing even though I am Sawyer who on the show is a con man. |
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02-14-2006, 04:03 PM | #1525 | |
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it doesn't I ment tonight as in the lynch tonight or night lynch not night kill. |
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Outside of my comments do you have much reason to go after alan?
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02-14-2006, 04:04 PM | #1527 | |
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how is it clear cut that a villager duke-role condems me for picking another villager? It means you and I were both misled. I don't know where you are getting your info from that you believe I'm an other, but mine is coming from me believing blade who thinks you are an other. |
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02-14-2006, 04:06 PM | #1528 | |
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his quick vote on me for one. after last night I pulled off him. I started to belive that he was good. This is the thanks I get for it. I made a mistake pulling off him last night and giving him another night. It won't happen with the lynch tonight. |
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02-14-2006, 04:07 PM | #1529 | |
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is your role repeatable?
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02-14-2006, 04:16 PM | #1531 | |
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Lost has been a game of clues, so i can easily see an empath role that allowed the user to check 2 statements(thats the norm for that role)...and today he says he knows for sure two people are safe...myself, and the person i voted for before alan...just thinking out all roles
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02-14-2006, 04:19 PM | #1532 |
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okay all you quiet one's I want you opinion no this. That means I honestly don't want to hear what Alan, Blade or Desnudo have to say.
What are the benefits of keeping and or killing the above three people? Do you think I'm being played by Blade? |
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you said you didnt want a response, but ive made it clear i will kill tonight...that should clear me
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02-14-2006, 04:27 PM | #1534 |
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Blade, think about my MO in other WW games. When I'm on the line I plead to be spared to prove myself tomorrow I'm askiing to be put on the line tonight it doesn't fit my MO. I'm not that good of a WW player to be lying.
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02-14-2006, 04:29 PM | #1535 | |
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You never answered me, is it repeatable
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02-14-2006, 04:30 PM | #1536 | |
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I'm not sure what you mean about invulnerability, but I will give my opinions none the less. I think he probably screwed up by making things so clear, although there could be some very helpful confusion (more on that in a moment). The duke should be a bad cop when it comes to lynching. Stepping on toes and pushing hard to see how people react. Since he is really in no danger of being lynched, he can be the attack dog, which is a powerful position to be in. However, once he has used his action (of subbing himself or someone else out of being lynched and putting someone else in their place), he is kind of in no man's name. To the survivors, he is clearly not an other, so he will not be lynched. However, since he is clearly a survivor, he is in danger of being killed at night, because he is basically just a placeholder and is not an other-friendly role, that increases the odds of us picking an other during a lynch. Now, where the helpful confusion comes in, is that our bodyguard can protect him as often as possible and hopefully make the others waste a night kill turn. It will give the others a lot to think about. |
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For what it is worth, I would put those three with Saldana as my prime suspects right now. That said, I am now leaning towards Sndvls, if he is going to pick off one of those two, like he said. Should clear a lot up. |
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Thats one of the best ideas you've had all game. I was thinking the same thing. If we vote to lynch SnDvls, we will have alot more to go on tomorrow than just voting AlanT. If SnDvls is a wolf, he's dead, and if he's the duke he can use his duchy powers and move the kill to who he chooses. I like this idea.
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Vote SnDvls
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Got caught up. Bad, bad, thing that hoops got taken out. I changed my mind, I'm not going to the bunker.
I think spleen might be good after all. hoops vouched for him, so that's good enough for me. I'm going to have to take a look at this SnDvls/AlanT showdown. |
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I think we are ALL being played by Blade in some way. I just haven't pinpointed it yet.
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Ok, I still feel to some extend Sndvls is bluffing, let me use this reasoning, if I was an other, I would know he wasnt one. Since he had previously hinted to being Sawyer which people had mentioned as a duke before in this thread, why would I go head to head with the duke?
But at this point, I don't think this vote is about being reasonable, I think this vote is purely mathematical. I have a strong feeling the last two day votes were manipulated by wolves to make them the way they were to leave us less clues. I have been the very first vote on all three days on my particular person, so there is very little manipulating that i could have done thus far. But to prevent any further manipulating to be done today, here are our choices: A) Sndvls is good, and I am bad. You vote to lynch me = Wolf dead, no time wasted GOOD! B) Sndvls is bad, I am good and you all vote to lynch me = villager dead, tommorrow sndvls is lynched, Wolf dead is Good. however 1 wasted day. C) Sndvls is good, I am bad and you vote to lynch Sndvls = He uses his duke role on me and I am dead anyways. 1 villager confirmed, 1 wolf dead, no time wasted. Good! D) Snvls is bad, I am good, and you vote to lynch Sndvls = Wolf dead, no time wasted GOOD! E) Sndvls is good and I am good , you vote me = I die, fingers point at Sndvls, and tommorrows vote to kill him shows another innocent villager. 2 days wasted, no ground gained. BAD! F) Sndvls is good, and I am good, you vote Sndvls = He uses duke role on me, I die, show to be an innocent, but you clear Sndvls, so bad a villager is dead, but only 1 wasted day involved. Now out of all of those scenerios, voting for Sndvls in EVERY case ends up with either a wolf dead, or the least possible wasted time. Right now I think the only option is to vote Sndvls and he has to duke me if he is not bluffing. It sucks for me if he is not bluffing, as yet another WW day 3 death for me, but its the best interest of our villagers in my opinion. I honestly will have severe doubts about anyone who goes against the strategy, especially people purposely trying to force a tie in case the tiebreaker was a one time thing only. |
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Since I don't think it will harm anything at this point (hopefully), he hasn't been playing anyone. He just didn't want to die before getting a second chance to assasinate someone at night. All of the lies and mistrusts from people about what he has said has been purely so he stays alive to be able to fufill his role. |
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And you know this a) for a fact? and b) because?
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Very nice analysis. I'm sticking with SnDvls for these very reasons.
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Just got home and wow 31 pages now.
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Just realized this day ends tomorrow. What's up with that?!
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