Werewolf XCVIII - 24 Day Game Over - Post 2899 - Page 30

path12 · 07-09-2009, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by nfg22

I told DT what was asked of me and that Autumn came representing him. The words used were "I have the ability to confirm roles. If you send me your role I can confirm it and send that information to DT. I am doing this so we can help DT build a circle of trust. It was not exactly said that DT authorized this but it was heavily implied...

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Originally Posted by nfg22

I did not make a big deal out of it...I just asked DT and he thought that it was suspicious cause he was not made aware of it. I also think it is suspicous because Autumn threw a quick vote on me....For the record I still think it was out of hand and could be a quick way for the wolves to prioritze kills.

Think about this..Im not saying it is true but just think about it. Autumn is a wolf. Autumn sends out asking to confirm roles. Autumn obviously knows who villagers are,so every villager wants to build a COT. Thus Autumn knows all villagers will give an honest reply. So Autumn confirms most villagers and a few wolves...making them into the COT with a fair amount of villagers. This way Autumn and more wolves join COT...they have a list of the best roles to kill....they kill a few....we lynch a few more because they arent in the COT....and bam...game is very close to over...

I know its a long shot but that is how i think...

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Originally Posted by Telle

Wait. I don't recall DT giving us the names of the two people who PM'd him about wanting to use their powers against Autumn. Did I just miss that or something?

Telle, this is what I was referring to.

path12 · 07-09-2009, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by nfg22

WTF? Danny? Im glad it isnt me but random? Especially when your the one who spearheaded the dont go with DT but go with voting records...im confused but kinda relieved?

I haven't played enough with Danny to know his style, but he's nowhere on my personal trust list right now though I have no real reason to distrust him either. Solidly neutral for me at this point, so I've got no problem with him getting a vote.

Danny · 07-09-2009, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by nfg22

PM @ 1215...I agree totally and will follow your advice...

I think he was referring to (and I was answering about) you being one of the two people Autumn messaged, not you being one of the two who wanted to kill him.

Danny · 07-09-2009, 03:41 PM

In fairness to Autumn, he has had some suspicions of me starting yesterday I believe.

path12 · 07-09-2009, 03:43 PM

Danny, why didn't you vote day 1? I think you said something but am way too busy to find it now.

DaddyTorgo · 07-09-2009, 03:45 PM

guys I am a page back but I don't necessarily want to spell ut wo is on the "ht" list right now for fear of making them targets.

I will say that my feelings in this case are based on more than role-pm's.

still got a page to catch up

Danny · 07-09-2009, 03:46 PM

I had company over, so wasn't paying close attention to anything that was happening in the game. I ended up losing track of time and came in at about 6 and the lynch already happened.

nfg22 · 07-09-2009, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

I think he was referring to (and I was answering about) you being one of the two people Autumn messaged, not you being one of the two who wanted to kill him.

ok...np. I just wanted to be off the list of people who tried to use their powers against Autumn cause I did not.

Danny · 07-09-2009, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

guys I am a page back but I don't necessarily want to spell ut wo is on the "ht" list right now for fear of making them targets.

I will say that my feelings in this case are based on more than role-pm's.

still got a page to catch up

Hmmm, I will unvote because of this, but I'm not sold necessarily on going by this list 100%

Unvote NFG

Danny · 07-09-2009, 03:52 PM

Votes as of post #1463:

1 - Autumn - nfg (1132)
1 - PurdueBrad - path (1347)
3 - nfg - PurdueBrad (1417), king (1418), The Jackal (1419)
1 - The Jackal - Thomkal (1411), Pass (1425)
1 - Danny - Autumn (1450)
1 - Chief Rum - Telle (1428)

ISiddiqui · 07-09-2009, 03:52 PM

While I haven't gotten an answer on NFG's play style, I find his explination to be slightly more persuasive than Jackal's right now. So based on Danny's vote history analysis, I think Jackal is the best bet. And I'm going out after work tonight (can't miss trivia night at the bar!) and don't want to be caught without a vote when my suspicions are tingling.

Vote The Jackal

Poli · 07-09-2009, 03:53 PM

Beep, beep, beep, beep...

Danny · 07-09-2009, 03:53 PM

Vote Poli

Danny · 07-09-2009, 03:59 PM

I am going to get going soon. I am bringing my laptop with me to class today, so I may be able to check in, but may not depending on what we are doing.

I am going to stick with my analysis and go with Jackal now that DT doesn't want us to vote for NFG.

Vote Jackal

Poli · 07-09-2009, 04:02 PM

Who Posted? Total Posts: 1,468
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DaddyTorgo	276
Danny	123
Autumn	122
The Jackal	95
Passacaglia	87
hoopsguy	66
nfg22	57
claphamsa	54
Alan T	47
path12	47
JAG	44
Barkeep49	44
PurdueBrad	43
BrianD	36
ISiddiqui	35
EagleFan	33
Chief Rum	32
Thomkal	28
Poli	27
kingfc22	26
Tyrith	26
ntndeacon	23
Schmidty	23
Telle	19
henry296	18
saldana	16
KWhit	11
PackerFanatic	3
Plutonium	2
lerriuqs	2
chesapeake	1
jeheinz72	1
RendeR	1

Autumn · 07-09-2009, 04:04 PM

Ntndeacon has gone under the radar lately, hasn't he? Kind of weird. Schmidty is also strangely quiet.

Thomkal · 07-09-2009, 04:04 PM

oh my the Clock has one less post than me, I better post some more.

Danny · 07-09-2009, 04:05 PM

Both are very quiet, which is not unusual for either. It makes NTN impossible to read, though Schmidty generally is more active if he has an important role (such as wolf).

The Jackal · 07-09-2009, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Autumn

Ntndeacon has gone under the radar lately, hasn't he? Kind of weird. Schmidty is also strangely quiet.

Yeah.

The Jackal · 07-09-2009, 04:07 PM

Danny, honestly, you're a good player, what makes you think I'm a wolf? People keep pointing to your "vote analysis". Because my votes were early and on people we don't know about I'm the best person to go after? Seems kind of foolish.

The Jackal · 07-09-2009, 04:08 PM

You're just rubbing me the wrong way, and now that you've made your intentions clear, and that people are apparently going to move off NFG because DT doesn't want us to vote for him..

unvote NFG

vote danny

Autumn · 07-09-2009, 04:10 PM

I'm not going to be around a lot this evening, we have a guest. I'd really like to see consolidation of votes. I had hoped that this game would allow us to lynch more often and get a quicker voting record, but hasn't worked so far. I'm willing to go to Jackal if it's the way to get a vote consolidated.

Autumn · 07-09-2009, 04:10 PM

or stay where I am ;-)

The Jackal · 07-09-2009, 04:11 PM

Voting for me is going to be a waste of everyone's time.

kingfc22 · 07-09-2009, 04:12 PM

I'm willing to stand by nfg22 for now.

DT hasn't really gotten us anything yet, so I'm hesitant to unvote and move over to jackal or danny. Of course this could end up biting me in the end, but I'm going to stick with my own gut feeling for now.

The Jackal · 07-09-2009, 04:13 PM

Funny how we're going after 3 of the top 6 posters, eh? Makes you think about the people that are keeping quiet.

Danny · 07-09-2009, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

You're just rubbing me the wrong way, and now that you've made your intentions clear, and that people are apparently going to move off NFG because DT doesn't want us to vote for him..

unvote NFG

vote danny

It seems to be you're just voting for whoever as long as it's not you, so other than the voting record (which is not good, though a number of others players look poor as well), your play seems to have desperation in it.

The Jackal · 07-09-2009, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

It seems to be you're just voting for whoever as long as it's not you, so other than the voting record (which is not good, though a number of others players look poor as well), your play seems to have desperation in it.

I completely disagree that my voting record is "not good". Either you're a wolf or you are making me lose faith in WW.

Danny · 07-09-2009, 04:24 PM

How is your voting record good? You have early votes to establish candidates. You're right that if NTN is a wolf, you're voting record is good, but otherwise it's not. Wolves like to hide behind votes for villagers that are not lynched. There are a number of voting records which are not good and quite honestly much of what I am going off of is due to DT's trust of NTN. Maybe that is a mistake, I don't know.

ISiddiqui · 07-09-2009, 04:24 PM

Lose faith in WW?

Danny · 07-09-2009, 04:26 PM

There was also movement off of you day 1 to other players. You also have never unvoted which is very wolfish if NTN and PB are in fact not wolves. I do realize there is a lot of assumptions here, but at this point I was going with DT's trust of NTN and my read that PB is not a wolf.

The Jackal · 07-09-2009, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

How is your voting record good? You have early votes to establish candidates. You're right that if NTN is a wolf, you're voting record is good, but otherwise it's not. Wolves like to hide behind votes for villagers that are not lynched. There are a number of voting records which are not good and quite honestly much of what I am going off of is due to DT's trust of NTN. Maybe that is a mistake, I don't know.

I never said my voting record was good. But to say it isn't good.. I can't agree with that. It's unknown. And I'd hardly say it falls on the bad side of unknown, since there's still a fair amount of suspicion on NTN and PB.

The Jackal · 07-09-2009, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Lose faith in WW?

Yeah, as in playing what you think is a good game to help the village and getting crucified for it, hopefully by wolves, but often times it's usually just misguided villagers trying to grasp at something to give them justification for a vote.

Danny · 07-09-2009, 04:29 PM

Alright, I am leaving now, but I will check in later. If arguments for other candidates can be made, I am open to that. I actually wouldn't mind DT posting what his thoughts of NTN are as my vote is based off the assumption that NTN is good.

The Jackal · 07-09-2009, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

There was also movement off of you day 1 to other players. You also have never unvoted which is very wolfish if NTN and PB are in fact not wolves. I do realize there is a lot of assumptions here, but at this point I was going with DT's trust of NTN and my read that PB is not a wolf.

I didn't unvote NTN to go to KWhit, that hardly seems like a negative decision.

And I didn't unvote PB because I wasn't ever fond of the run on clap, which I repeatedly said.

Would it have honestly looked better if I moved my vote from a candidate with votes to someone random?

Danny · 07-09-2009, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

Yeah, as in playing what you think is a good game to help the village and getting crucified for it, hopefully by wolves, but often times it's usually just misguided villagers trying to grasp at something to give them justification for a vote.

But then you need to create arguments for other players, just quickly voting for whoever else comes up is not the way to win us over. You're play is either a disparate wolf or frustrated villager. Unfortunately, often times either way it gets you lynched. If you're a bad candidate, tell us who is a good one.

Autumn · 07-09-2009, 04:33 PM

All right, I've got to head out. I guess I will leave my vote where it is and see if there's more time when I get back. I think Danny, Jackal and NFG are all good suspects so I'm interested to see how the runoff goes.

The Jackal · 07-09-2009, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

But then you need to create arguments for other players, just quickly voting for whoever else comes up is not the way to win us over. You're play is either a disparate wolf or frustrated villager. Unfortunately, often times either way it gets you lynched. If you're a bad candidate, tell us who is a good one.

I'm certainly frustrated. NFG I felt was a good candidate, and I still feel he is, I've already said that wasn't purely self-preservation.

As far as other candidates, it seems like we're being limited in who we can target based on this trust list of DT which none of us know who exactly is on it.

I still think the list of five people that voted for the two villagers who've been lynched is a good place to look. I can see the argument that some of them were just "following Jack" but that's a good place for a wolf to hide. NFG is one of those, yes? CR is another, who I'd definitely consider. How does DT feel about him?

Danny · 07-09-2009, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

I didn't unvote NTN to go to KWhit, that hardly seems like a negative decision.

And I didn't unvote PB because I wasn't ever fond of the run on clap, which I repeatedly said.

Would it have honestly looked better if I moved my vote from a candidate with votes to someone random?

Not really, I understand you don't agree with it (either cause you are a wolf or you know you're a villager), but you are one of a group of players who I think has some suspicious votes. The primary reason I voted for you, was the way you responded to that.

The Jackal · 07-09-2009, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

Not really, I understand you don't agree with it (either cause you are a wolf or you know you're a villager), but you are one of a group of players who I think has some suspicious votes. The primary reason I voted for you, was the way you responded to that.

Alright, thanks for your reasoning. I still disagree that they aren't suspicious, but yeah, I guess that's because I know I'm a villager. I'm sorry I tried to defend my voting.. should I have just kept silent?

Danny · 07-09-2009, 04:37 PM

CR is actually still on my suspect list as well. I'll tell you what, since I have already unvoted three time, I will unvote you for now and see what develops before I check in again.

Unvote Jackal

I do really need to go now

Danny · 07-09-2009, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

Alright, thanks for your reasoning. I still disagree that they aren't suspicious, but yeah, I guess that's because I know I'm a villager. I'm sorry I tried to defend my voting.. should I have just kept silent?

Defending your votes is fine, this is a game of disagreement

nfg22 · 07-09-2009, 04:39 PM

I wont be back till very late tonight so I hope all goes well.

The Jackal · 07-09-2009, 04:39 PM

unvote danny

We'll see what develops.

path12 · 07-09-2009, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Autumn

Ntndeacon has gone under the radar lately, hasn't he? Kind of weird. Schmidty is also strangely quiet.

He was pretty vocal when he had votes on him but once that was over I don't recall much since.

I'd be willing to vote him again.

DaddyTorgo · 07-09-2009, 04:46 PM

@5:01pm - nothing specific to say. nothing to say to you privately as far as voting that I wouldn't say publicly

path12 · 07-09-2009, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

But then you need to create arguments for other players, just quickly voting for whoever else comes up is not the way to win us over. You're play is either a disparate wolf or frustrated villager. Unfortunately, often times either way it gets you lynched. If you're a bad candidate, tell us who is a good one.

I know you also mentioned saldana's and Telle's voting record and they've gotten very little attention. I don't understand why Jackal's record stands out any more than theirs, except for what you say about his being willing to vote anywhere but himself and being possibly frustrated.

My gut says we've got some (plural) wolves laying low.

path12 · 07-09-2009, 04:49 PM

As a matter of fact, to put my money where my mouth is:

UNVOTE PURDUEBRAD
VOTE TELLE

Per usual, mostly just curious to see what will happen.

DaddyTorgo · 07-09-2009, 04:55 PM

ntn and chief rum are both "available to vote on" if you will.

guys - I have a good trust list but I don't want to publicly reveal it yet and put targets on those people. it makes no sense right now.

I am sure its frustrating, but im trying not to say too much.

ntn and chief rum are both "no information". chief is on the "no way to verify his power wasgood for the village" list and ntn is on the "pushed to use power against autumn" list and the "could be tested under right circumstances.

note that the push against autumn is not automatically damming in my mind.

@cape league game

path12 · 07-09-2009, 05:18 PM

Me, a GM and a clock. Quiet afternoon.

07-09-2009, 03:43 PM	#1455
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	Danny, why didn't you vote day 1? I think you said something but am way too busy to find it now. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

07-09-2009, 03:45 PM	#1456
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	guys I am a page back but I don't necessarily want to spell ut wo is on the "ht" list right now for fear of making them targets. I will say that my feelings in this case are based on more than role-pm's. still got a page to catch up __________________ Get bent whoever hacked my pw and changed my signature.

07-09-2009, 03:52 PM	#1461
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	While I haven't gotten an answer on NFG's play style, I find his explination to be slightly more persuasive than Jackal's right now. So based on Danny's vote history analysis, I think Jackal is the best bet. And I'm going out after work tonight (can't miss trivia night at the bar!) and don't want to be caught without a vote when my suspicions are tingling. Vote The Jackal __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

07-09-2009, 03:53 PM	#1462
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	Beep, beep, beep, beep... __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

07-09-2009, 04:12 PM	#1475
kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	I'm willing to stand by nfg22 for now. DT hasn't really gotten us anything yet, so I'm hesitant to unvote and move over to jackal or danny. Of course this could end up biting me in the end, but I'm going to stick with my own gut feeling for now. __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal

07-09-2009, 03:41 PM	#1454
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	In fairness to Autumn, he has had some suspicions of me starting yesterday I believe.

07-09-2009, 03:46 PM	#1457
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	I had company over, so wasn't paying close attention to anything that was happening in the game. I ended up losing track of time and came in at about 6 and the lynch already happened.

07-09-2009, 03:52 PM	#1460
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Votes as of post #1463: 1 - Autumn - nfg (1132) 1 - PurdueBrad - path (1347) 3 - nfg - PurdueBrad (1417), king (1418), The Jackal (1419) 1 - The Jackal - Thomkal (1411), Pass (1425) 1 - Danny - Autumn (1450) 1 - Chief Rum - Telle (1428)

07-09-2009, 03:53 PM	#1463
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Vote Poli

07-09-2009, 03:59 PM	#1464
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	I am going to get going soon. I am bringing my laptop with me to class today, so I may be able to check in, but may not depending on what we are doing. I am going to stick with my analysis and go with Jackal now that DT doesn't want us to vote for NFG. Vote Jackal

07-09-2009, 04:04 PM	#1466
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	Ntndeacon has gone under the radar lately, hasn't he? Kind of weird. Schmidty is also strangely quiet.

07-09-2009, 04:04 PM	#1467
Thomkal Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Surfside Beach,SC USA	oh my the Clock has one less post than me, I better post some more.

07-09-2009, 04:05 PM	#1468
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Both are very quiet, which is not unusual for either. It makes NTN impossible to read, though Schmidty generally is more active if he has an important role (such as wolf).

07-09-2009, 04:07 PM	#1470
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	Danny, honestly, you're a good player, what makes you think I'm a wolf? People keep pointing to your "vote analysis". Because my votes were early and on people we don't know about I'm the best person to go after? Seems kind of foolish.

07-09-2009, 04:08 PM	#1471
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	You're just rubbing me the wrong way, and now that you've made your intentions clear, and that people are apparently going to move off NFG because DT doesn't want us to vote for him.. unvote NFG vote danny

07-09-2009, 04:10 PM	#1472
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	I'm not going to be around a lot this evening, we have a guest. I'd really like to see consolidation of votes. I had hoped that this game would allow us to lynch more often and get a quicker voting record, but hasn't worked so far. I'm willing to go to Jackal if it's the way to get a vote consolidated.

07-09-2009, 04:10 PM	#1473
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	or stay where I am ;-)

07-09-2009, 04:11 PM	#1474
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	Voting for me is going to be a waste of everyone's time.

07-09-2009, 04:13 PM	#1476
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	Funny how we're going after 3 of the top 6 posters, eh? Makes you think about the people that are keeping quiet.

07-09-2009, 04:24 PM	#1479
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	How is your voting record good? You have early votes to establish candidates. You're right that if NTN is a wolf, you're voting record is good, but otherwise it's not. Wolves like to hide behind votes for villagers that are not lynched. There are a number of voting records which are not good and quite honestly much of what I am going off of is due to DT's trust of NTN. Maybe that is a mistake, I don't know.

07-09-2009, 04:24 PM	#1480
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	Lose faith in WW? __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

07-09-2009, 04:26 PM	#1481
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	There was also movement off of you day 1 to other players. You also have never unvoted which is very wolfish if NTN and PB are in fact not wolves. I do realize there is a lot of assumptions here, but at this point I was going with DT's trust of NTN and my read that PB is not a wolf.

07-09-2009, 04:29 PM	#1484
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Alright, I am leaving now, but I will check in later. If arguments for other candidates can be made, I am open to that. I actually wouldn't mind DT posting what his thoughts of NTN are as my vote is based off the assumption that NTN is good.

07-09-2009, 04:33 PM	#1487
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	All right, I've got to head out. I guess I will leave my vote where it is and see if there's more time when I get back. I think Danny, Jackal and NFG are all good suspects so I'm interested to see how the runoff goes.

07-09-2009, 04:37 PM	#1491
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	CR is actually still on my suspect list as well. I'll tell you what, since I have already unvoted three time, I will unvote you for now and see what develops before I check in again. Unvote Jackal I do really need to go now

07-09-2009, 04:39 PM	#1493
nfg22 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2004	I wont be back till very late tonight so I hope all goes well.

07-09-2009, 04:39 PM	#1494
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	unvote danny We'll see what develops.

07-09-2009, 04:46 PM	#1496
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	@5:01pm - nothing specific to say. nothing to say to you privately as far as voting that I wouldn't say publicly __________________ Get bent whoever hacked my pw and changed my signature.

07-09-2009, 04:49 PM	#1498
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	As a matter of fact, to put my money where my mouth is: UNVOTE PURDUEBRAD VOTE TELLE Per usual, mostly just curious to see what will happen. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

07-09-2009, 04:55 PM	#1499
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	ntn and chief rum are both "available to vote on" if you will. guys - I have a good trust list but I don't want to publicly reveal it yet and put targets on those people. it makes no sense right now. I am sure its frustrating, but im trying not to say too much. ntn and chief rum are both "no information". chief is on the "no way to verify his power wasgood for the village" list and ntn is on the "pushed to use power against autumn" list and the "could be tested under right circumstances. note that the push against autumn is not automatically damming in my mind. @cape league game __________________ Get bent whoever hacked my pw and changed my signature.

07-09-2009, 05:18 PM	#1500
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	Me, a GM and a clock. Quiet afternoon. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

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