WW CXXVI: Wolves in Asgard - Game Over (Result in Post 2538)

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

FWIW, both those two have pinged my radar at some point too. I was voting Racer early in the game. Zinto has just made some off comments/votes

I held back because well, we don't need me tossing out some crazy idea

No crazy ideas... no ketchup porn... man.

[JAG]

Day 4 Voting as of post 1451:

Thomkal 4 - Narcizo (1349), Zinto (1413), jeheinz72 (1415), Racer (1441)
Autumn 3 - hoopsguy (1395), Barkeep49 (1399), Lathum (1405)
Barkeep49 2 - Autumn (1348), EagleFan (1406)


Day 5 deadline votes:
Monday 4 - MrBug708, hoopsguy, Narcizo, jeheinz72,
Sunday 2 - Thomkal, Racer

[Thomkal]

Okay hoops here goes:

I noticed on Day 2 that both Racer and Zinto voted for J23 on Day 2 within about 20 mins of each other, both claiming they were voting for him as Eaglefan voters from day one and with Racer he was testing Chubby's then supposed connection to J23. Zinto also said he voted for J23 because he didn't want to spread the vote out too much. He also said he felt Chubby was likely a villager. I thought those were strange votes at the time since in Racer's case, shouldn't he have been votiing Chubby at that point not J23 since there was a theory out there that J23 might be a villager that Chubby (as a wolf) chose to use as his "connection".

Zinto's comment about thinking Chubby was probably a villager was the one that really stood out for me-why is he voting J23 if he thinks Chubby is a villager? It looks like it could have been an attempt by the wolves to capitialize on the confusion over Chubby's then mysterious connection to J23. That would have been a dangerous tactic if they had succeeded in getting J23 lynched. So perhaps it was a wolf in Zinto jumping on Racer's vote?

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

No crazy ideas... no ketchup porn... man.

Ha, I rocked the Ketchup porn once, didn't want to get too heavy handed

As far as the crazy ideas, well I feel a bit like a ship without a sail here, so I don't want to go off on crazy tangents or my usual uncertain certainties

[hoopsguy]

OK, running out of time on this for today but will try to pick it up Sunday night.

The Living:

Autumn
- Votes: D1 EagleFan 3rd vote, making totals 3-2-2 EF over Lathum/Chubby. D2 Danny, both pre-reveal and post-reveal to make it 4-3 Chubby over Danny. Had vote on Heinz (3 votes) in middle. D3 Ended on Lathum, 7th vote (8-7 DV > Lathum). Was on DV multiple times throughout the day, but moved off him.
- Items:
- Posts:

Barkeep
- Votes: D1 EagleFan 1st vote. D2 starts (pre-reveal) and ends on Danny, with move in between to Chubby. D3 DV early, making margin 4-2 Lathum > DV/BK.
- Items:
- Posts:

Chubby (revealed as Thor)
- Votes: D1 ended on EagleFan, but self-preservation. Had been on Lathum for most of afternoon. D2 votes Danny after his semi-reveal. D3 was on Lathum all day, switched at very end to DV to post 10-6 margin.
- Items: received Gleipnir D1 -> D2, receives fake hammer D3 -> D4
- Posts: #694 semi-reveals as Thor

EagleFan (revealed as Balder)
- Votes: D1 ended on Danny. D2 ended on Danny 10th vote, 5 before deadline. D3 Lathum.
- Items:
- Posts:

Heinz
- Votes: D1 Danny, put vote at 3-3-3-3 Danny/EF/Chubby/Lathum. D2 NTN, moving off Chubby after semi-reveal post. Moved margin to 4-2 Chubby over NTN. Earlier had pushed Chubby up to 5 votes right before semi-reveal. D3 NTN early.
- Items:
- Posts:

Hoopsguy (known good, hero of this epic tale)
- Votes: D1 EF 2nd vote, pushing him to lead over 5 others. D2 Danny vote, putting Danny up 6-5 over Chubby. D3 DV vote, put DV up 7-5 with 18 minutes to go.
- Items: passed mistletoe to J23 D2 -> D3, passed (fake) hammer to Chubby D3 -> D4, received sword D3 -> D4
- Posts:

Lathum
- Votes: D1 ended on Chubby with 47 minutes to go, earlier vote on EF put EF up 6-4-4 over him+Danny. D2 ended on Danny as 8th vote (8-4) after being on Chubby all day. D3 ended on DV and moved vote to 6-4-4 DV > Lathum/BK.
- Items: passed item to Chubby D1 -> D2
- Posts:
mauboy
- Votes: D1 Chubby, put vote at 5-4-4-4 over EF/Chubby/Lathum. D2 Danny, ties 5-5 with Chubby. D3 Barkeep, pushing vote to 6-5-4 DV>BK>Lathum.
- Items:
- Posts:

mckerney
- Votes: D1 NTN. D2 was on Chubby, casting 5th vote and no one else had more than 2. D3 vote for DV was 3rd vote, making margin 5-3 and pushing DV ahead of BK.
- Items:
- Posts:

MrBug
- Votes: D1 Zinto early, never moved. D2 Danny 12th vote, 2 minutes before deadline. D3 Lathum, pushing him to 4-2-2 lead.
- Items: passed mistletoe D1 -> D2
- Posts:

Narcizo
- Votes: D1 Lathum early. D2 mauboy early. D3 1st vote on DV.
- Items: passed Odin's Spear to J23 D1 -> D2, passed (fake?) hammer to Hoops D2 -> D3
- Posts:

NTN
- Votes: D1 Danny, 1st vote. D2 votes Chubby, making it 5-3 over Danny. D3 Lathum, making it 3-2-2 over BK/DV.
- Items:
- Posts:

Racer
- Votes: D1 unvoted EF to vote Danny with 35 minutes to go, putting total at 5-5. Awfully good vote in hindsight. Earlier vote on EF had pushed him into lead ahead of Danny/Lathum/Chubby. D2 ended on Danny, 9th vote made score 9-4 with 5 minutes to go. Earlier on Chubby, putting vote at 6-6 tie with Danny and later switched to NTN as 3rd candidate making vote 7-6-4 Danny over Chubby over NTN. D3 had vote move between BK/DV twice, ending as 8th vote on DV (8-6) with 16 minutes to go.
- Items:
- Posts:

Telle
- Votes: D1 Danny 2nd vote, made totals 3-3-3-2. D2 NTN vote (3rd), made total 7-5-3 Danny/Chubby/NTN. D3 votes Lathum to close margin to 7-6 with 17 minutes to go.
- Items: passed (fake?) hammer to Narcizo D1 -> D2
- Posts:

Thomkal
- Votes: D1 on Lathum made total 4-4-3-3 EF/Lathum over Danny/Chubby. D2 Danny 11th vote, 2 minutes before deadline. D3 votes Lathum, 2-2-2 tie with DV/BK.
- Items:
- Posts:

Zinto
- Votes: D1 ended as last vote on Danny 12 minutes before deadline, pushing him ahead 7-5 over EF. Was on Lathum earlier. D2 moved vote to Danny after semi-reveal, 4th vote making margin 5-4 Chubby > Danny. D3 NTN early, putting 2nd vote down (Lathum 4, DV/BK/NTN 2). Later moved to BK, before ending on DV with 9th vote (9-7) and 8 minutes to go.
- Items:
- Posts:


Hall of Heroes:

Bhlloy
- Votes: D1 Chubby, D2 Chubby
- Items:
- Posts:

Dubb
- Votes: D1 Danny
- Items:
- Posts:

J23
- Votes: D1 EagleFan, D2 Danny, D3 DV
- Items: received mistletoe D2 -> D3
- Posts:

Foul Villains:
Danny
- Votes: D1 cast votes for EF/Chubby. D2 cast votes for Heinz early, Chubby late.
- Items:
- Posts:

Darth Vilus
- Votes: D1 Chubby, D2 Chubby, D3 Lathum, Barkeep, Lathum.
- Items:
- Posts:

[Danny]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

OK, running out of time on this for today but will try to pick it up Sunday night.

The Living:

Autumn
- Votes: D1 EagleFan 3rd vote, making totals 3-2-2 EF over Lathum/Chubby. D2 Danny, both pre-reveal and post-reveal to make it 4-3 Chubby over Danny. Had vote on Heinz (3 votes) in middle. D3 Ended on Lathum, 7th vote (8-7 DV > Lathum). Was on DV multiple times throughout the day, but moved off him.
- Items:
- Posts:

Barkeep
- Votes: D1 EagleFan 1st vote. D2 starts (pre-reveal) and ends on Danny, with move in between to Chubby. D3 DV early, making margin 4-2 Lathum > DV/BK.
- Items:
- Posts:

Chubby (revealed as Thor)
- Votes: D1 ended on EagleFan, but self-preservation. Had been on Lathum for most of afternoon. D2 votes Danny after his semi-reveal. D3 was on Lathum all day, switched at very end to DV to post 10-6 margin.
- Items: received Gleipnir D1 -> D2, receives fake hammer D3 -> D4
- Posts: #694 semi-reveals as Thor

EagleFan (revealed as Balder)
- Votes: D1 ended on Danny. D2 ended on Danny 10th vote, 5 before deadline. D3 Lathum.
- Items:
- Posts:

Heinz
- Votes: D1 Danny, put vote at 3-3-3-3 Danny/EF/Chubby/Lathum. D2 NTN, moving off Chubby after semi-reveal post. Moved margin to 4-2 Chubby over NTN. Earlier had pushed Chubby up to 5 votes right before semi-reveal. D3 NTN early.
- Items:
- Posts:

Hoopsguy (known good, hero of this epic tale)
- Votes: D1 EF 2nd vote, pushing him to lead over 5 others. D2 Danny vote, putting Danny up 6-5 over Chubby. D3 DV vote, put DV up 7-5 with 18 minutes to go.
- Items: passed mistletoe to J23 D2 -> D3, passed (fake) hammer to Chubby D3 -> D4, received sword D3 -> D4
- Posts:

Lathum
- Votes: D1 ended on Chubby with 47 minutes to go, earlier vote on EF put EF up 6-4-4 over him+Danny. D2 ended on Danny as 8th vote (8-4) after being on Chubby all day. D3 ended on DV and moved vote to 6-4-4 DV > Lathum/BK.
- Items: passed item to Chubby D1 -> D2
- Posts:
mauboy
- Votes: D1 Chubby, put vote at 5-4-4-4 over EF/Chubby/Lathum. D2 Danny, ties 5-5 with Chubby. D3 Barkeep, pushing vote to 6-5-4 DV>BK>Lathum.
- Items:
- Posts:

mckerney
- Votes: D1 NTN. D2 was on Chubby, casting 5th vote and no one else had more than 2. D3 vote for DV was 3rd vote, making margin 5-3 and pushing DV ahead of BK.
- Items:
- Posts:

MrBug
- Votes: D1 Zinto early, never moved. D2 Danny 12th vote, 2 minutes before deadline. D3 Lathum, pushing him to 4-2-2 lead.
- Items: passed mistletoe D1 -> D2
- Posts:

Narcizo
- Votes: D1 Lathum early. D2 mauboy early. D3 1st vote on DV.
- Items: passed Odin's Spear to J23 D1 -> D2, passed (fake?) hammer to Hoops D2 -> D3
- Posts:

NTN
- Votes: D1 Danny, 1st vote. D2 votes Chubby, making it 5-3 over Danny. D3 Lathum, making it 3-2-2 over BK/DV.
- Items:
- Posts:

Racer
- Votes: D1 unvoted EF to vote Danny with 35 minutes to go, putting total at 5-5. Awfully good vote in hindsight. Earlier vote on EF had pushed him into lead ahead of Danny/Lathum/Chubby. D2 ended on Danny, 9th vote made score 9-4 with 5 minutes to go. Earlier on Chubby, putting vote at 6-6 tie with Danny and later switched to NTN as 3rd candidate making vote 7-6-4 Danny over Chubby over NTN. D3 had vote move between BK/DV twice, ending as 8th vote on DV (8-6) with 16 minutes to go.
- Items:
- Posts:

Telle
- Votes: D1 Danny 2nd vote, made totals 3-3-3-2. D2 NTN vote (3rd), made total 7-5-3 Danny/Chubby/NTN. D3 votes Lathum to close margin to 7-6 with 17 minutes to go.
- Items: passed (fake?) hammer to Narcizo D1 -> D2
- Posts:

Thomkal
- Votes: D1 on Lathum made total 4-4-3-3 EF/Lathum over Danny/Chubby. D2 Danny 11th vote, 2 minutes before deadline. D3 votes Lathum, 2-2-2 tie with DV/BK.
- Items:
- Posts:

Zinto
- Votes: D1 ended as last vote on Danny 12 minutes before deadline, pushing him ahead 7-5 over EF. Was on Lathum earlier. D2 moved vote to Danny after semi-reveal, 4th vote making margin 5-4 Chubby > Danny. D3 NTN early, putting 2nd vote down (Lathum 4, DV/BK/NTN 2). Later moved to BK, before ending on DV with 9th vote (9-7) and 8 minutes to go.
- Items:
- Posts:


Hall of Heroes:

Bhlloy
- Votes: D1 Chubby, D2 Chubby
- Items:
- Posts:

Dubb
- Votes: D1 Danny
- Items:
- Posts:

J23
- Votes: D1 EagleFan, D2 Danny, D3 DV
- Items: received mistletoe D2 -> D3
- Posts:

The Most Awesome Guys Who Ever Existed:
Danny
- Votes: D1 cast votes for EF/Chubby. D2 cast votes for Heinz early, Chubby late.
- Items:
- Posts:

Darth Vilus
- Votes: D1 Chubby, D2 Chubby, D3 Lathum, Barkeep, Lathum.
- Items:
- Posts:

Good post!

[hoopsguy]

After spending a good amount of time analyzing the votes I really feel like the wolves really wanted to get Thor revealed on D2 and would call it a success at that point. Once that happened, they were going to stay far away from Chubby and get their votes on Danny ASAP.

Probably not all of them, but they didn't want to overplay their hand at that point. The thinking was probably, "hey, if we have to trade Danny for the bodyguard and there is no seer we're sitting pretty". Of course, Thor clearing another player (J23) probably didn't help their cause much at all, but they were still in an enviable position going into Day 3.

[Thomkal]

wow nice job there Hoops!

[Zinto]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

Okay hoops here goes:

I noticed on Day 2 that both Racer and Zinto voted for J23 on Day 2 within about 20 mins of each other, both claiming they were voting for him as Eaglefan voters from day one and with Racer he was testing Chubby's then supposed connection to J23. Zinto also said he voted for J23 because he didn't want to spread the vote out too much. He also said he felt Chubby was likely a villager. I thought those were strange votes at the time since in Racer's case, shouldn't he have been votiing Chubby at that point not J23 since there was a theory out there that J23 might be a villager that Chubby (as a wolf) chose to use as his "connection".

Zinto's comment about thinking Chubby was probably a villager was the one that really stood out for me-why is he voting J23 if he thinks Chubby is a villager? It looks like it could have been an attempt by the wolves to capitialize on the confusion over Chubby's then mysterious connection to J23. That would have been a dangerous tactic if they had succeeded in getting J23 lynched. So perhaps it was a wolf in Zinto jumping on Racer's vote?

If I remember correctly Chubby had not come out and said anything so far that day. I also remember someone said that Chubby probably thought J23 was a villager based on where he placed his vote on day one which is what I thought based on the information I had.

[mauchow]

I have had a long ass day at work. I keep pulling up the thread only to never read anything. I am going to catch up now.

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by Zinto

If I remember correctly Chubby had not come out and said anything so far that day. I also remember someone said that Chubby probably thought J23 was a villager based on where he placed his vote on day one which is what I thought based on the information I had.

That would be incorrect he came out with the info about J23 on day 1 right at the deadline because he thought he might be killed by the wolves I'm guessing and wanted to get it out. That was post #347. The votes from you and Racer in question here came the next day posts somewhere in the #600's. Chubby's connection to J23 was talked about all the next day after that comment he made.

[ntndeacon]

monday deadline

[ntndeacon]

this is more a vote about the people voting than the votees themselves.
Vote Autumn

[Darth Vilus]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Foul Villains:
Danny
- Votes: D1 cast votes for EF/Chubby. D2 cast votes for Heinz early, Chubby late.
- Items:
- Posts:

Darth Vilus
- Votes: D1 Chubby, D2 Chubby, D3 Lathum, Barkeep, Lathum.
- Items:
- Posts:

Foul Villains should read The True Rulers of Asgard

[mauchow]

Holy awesome analysis hoops. Quick question for you....

Can you send me the sword tonight?

[Zinto]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

That would be incorrect he came out with the info about J23 on day 1 right at the deadline because he thought he might be killed by the wolves I'm guessing and wanted to get it out. That was post #347. The votes from you and Racer in question here came the next day posts somewhere in the #600's. Chubby's connection to J23 was talked about all the next day after that comment he made.

Not that day. I am talking about when there was discussion on why Chubby said J23 was not a wolf on day two. Chubby did not comment on anything so far that day and I figured he meant something about where J23 voted. Also Chubby did not say J23 was a villager because he thought he was going to be night killed he did so because he thought he was going to be duked.

[Darth Vilus]

I can't believe you guys killed me...

Or tried to kill me i should say

[MrBug708]

Good job Hoops

No idea who to vote for...again

[jeheinz72]

Well I'm outta here, staying where I'm at

[mauchow]

I am finishing up with work. I will try to be around more than last night but wife is working again and got a baby to deal with.

As far as this vote goes I'm open to switching but for now I'm going autumn.. of the top two today I like autumn a little more than thomkal. Then for BK I've turned a corner on as a little bit more of a villager lean.. not really getting a whole heckuva lot of vibes from any of them to be honest. What do people think about zinto? His votes read poorly to me. Always late to the action as far as switches go. I dunno. I don't want to introduce a fourth candidate this late .. and on a Friday no less.

So as I said before I'm going vote autumn and am open to moving.

[mauchow]

vote autumn

So its not in middle of a paragraph.

[Chubby]

In car on way to pickup my son at grandmas.

Will post more when home

[Chubby]

In car on way to pickup my son at grandmas.

Will post more when home

[MrBug708]

Any ideas on what I should do with the missletoe?

[Barkeep49]

Any ideas on where Chubby is and when he will post more?

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Any ideas on where Chubby is and when he will post more?

Almost home, 5 minutes? With have my vote and reasons

[ntndeacon]

I don't know BK, but I hope we hear from Chubby soon!

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by Narcizo

No time to analyse now.

Thor's Hammer turning out to be an illusion makes me suspicious of Hoops or Telle I must say. I'm sure it makes them suspicious of me as well. Presuming no-one else comes out and says that they have had Thor's Hammer (which is absolutely in the game, according to the rules) then it seems the wolves have taken it and created an illusion of it to create the chain. From what I can tell:
Telle -> Narcizo -> Hoops -> Chubby

can we make chains like this for the other items, even if we have ??? in some spots? that'd rule

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Chubby

Almost home, 5 minutes? With have my vote and reasons

Was just joking with that post

[Chubby]

I liked where the discussion was going earlier today with talk of the items and their origin, i think that's the key right now personally.

the hammer we know where it was turns out to be an illusion. Racer shows up with a hammer now too. The most logical explanation to me is:

Loki made an illusion of the hammer to pass around while passing the real hammer between fellow wolves. Darth had the real hammer yesterday when he was lynched making it get randomed onto Racer. Hoops passed me the fake hammer last night causing it to turn to dust as soon as I touched it. I think it was luck that i got the fake hammer at the same time the holder of the real hammer got lynched.

That leads me to say: who made the fake hammer i.e. who is Loki? I highly doubt that hoops would have passed me the fake hammer with DV posibbly being lynched with the real hammer. There's also his point about the mistletoe so I don't think it was him. That leaves Telle and Narc. Narc has been more helpful than Telle so far and I find it plausible that Loki started with my hammer to allow the creation of the fake.

[v]Vote telle[/b]

This is the only scenario I can come up with that is not a long shot. I think the choices are telle and narc and that telle is far more likely to be a wolf based on having the hammer 1st and claiming to have passed it randomly. I believe they were trying to get me to reveal by having her say she had the hammer not knowing how the next few days would play out. It's possible she is another wolf and not Loki and that Loki (someone else) passed it to narc. This scenario still means Telle would be a wolf. If telle is a villager then I'd have to look at narc tomorrow.

I would have to assume that any holes we have in the chain of custody for items would be wolves. I would not assume that hoops' sword is real and hope that if the corresponding character is in the game that they don't reveal themselves if the sword also turns to dust on them.

[Chubby]

ahhh no edits for me

vote telle

[mckerney]

Vote Autumn

No real strong feelings here and open to change, but it looks like he has the worst voting record of today's three candidates with the move to Lathum.

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

After spending a good amount of time analyzing the votes I really feel like the wolves really wanted to get Thor revealed on D2 and would call it a success at that point. Once that happened, they were going to stay far away from Chubby and get their votes on Danny ASAP.

Probably not all of them, but they didn't want to overplay their hand at that point. The thinking was probably, "hey, if we have to trade Danny for the bodyguard and there is no seer we're sitting pretty". Of course, Thor clearing another player (J23) probably didn't help their cause much at all, but they were still in an enviable position going into Day 3.

I hope the wolves are making this same assumption.

[MrBug708]

I think this was stated before but I wonder if the wolves can pass items to each other?

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by Chubby

You're voting a villager.

J23 is a family member of mine, I'm pretty convinced he does not have knowledge of me. I put that out there because I feared being duked onto and not getting that info out there. There's 0 reason for me to clear J23 who some thought wasn't even playing last night if I was a wolf.

i'm not a seer and not a bg, that's all I'd like to say at this point about it.

lathum could certainly build trust with me if he said which item he passed me.

but for now, it's time to vote for who should have gotten lynched last night

unvote lathum
vote danny

(still getting caught up)

keep this in mind.

with that said, I think I get BG'd tonight anyways

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by MrBug708

I think this was stated before but I wonder if the wolves can pass items to each other?

unknown. i theorized it was possible to have a restriction, but my gut now says that restriction doesn't exist

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Was just joking with that post

i know

[Chubby]

monday deadline for me too

[MrBug708]

Originally Posted by Chubby

unknown. i theorized it was possible to have a restriction, but my gut now says that restriction doesn't exist

If racer had the hammer and does pass it to u, it should stick despite the wolves possibly sending you another item as it will stick with u.

If the hammer does get to u, I would assume racer is good?

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by MrBug708

Any ideas on what I should do with the missletoe?

pass it to a villager, not me tho. try to post after the deadline but before results who you sent it to.

racer - yes, I'd like my hammer please it sounds like you already have the order in but I do believe that is my real hammer.

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by MrBug708

If racer had the hammer and does pass it to u, it should stick despite the wolves possibly sending you another item as it will stick with u.

Yes.

If the hammer does get to u, I would assume racer is good?

I would make that same assumption.

[Chubby]

I also don't think Racer would say he had the hammer if he was a wolf

[MrBug708]

If u don't get it racer is lynched tomorrow

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by MrBug708

If u don't get it racer is lynched tomorrow

exactly.

I think this is the far safer avenue to explore today than trying to analyze voting patterns regardless of any suspicions I may or may not have of the other people with votes right now.

[MrBug708]

[b] vote telle[b]

I'll stick with you...I don't know if I have any better thoughts now...likely won't be around to post any changes later

[MrBug708]

vote telle

[MrBug708]

Chubby, whose your trust list or somewhat trust list if u don't mind sharing?

[Chubby]

EF. Racer if he passes my hammer

Other than that (which I think are obvious) I'd rather not give the wolves any other targets to pick from.

[Barkeep49]

I need to think if there are holes I but I think Chubby's case against Telle is pretty good.

[MrBug708]

I'm gonna send it to someone other than racer...likely hoop since he had it prior