2009 MLB Regular Season Thread - Page 30

stevew · 05-21-2009, 02:34 PM

Make that 8

sterlingice · 05-21-2009, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by bosshogg23

Can't believe Leyland left Jackson in for 132 pitches. That is 15 more than his career high.

*spelling edit*

Yeah, if you have him on your fantasy team, best to sit him down for a game or two after that arm abuse

SI

Ksyrup · 05-21-2009, 02:50 PM

What flippin' luck. Detroit tried to give that game away but still won. That's the sweep, right?

lordscarlet · 05-21-2009, 03:01 PM

And Manny Acta can't leave a pitcher in for more than 80..

samifan24 · 05-21-2009, 03:20 PM

Asdrubal Cabrera sure looks good in that leadoff spot.

stevew · 05-21-2009, 04:27 PM

Ian Snell is not that great and he looks even worse his last few starts. Threw over 120 right before his problems started.

terpkristin · 05-21-2009, 04:39 PM

Sheesh, did I see that flash by on ESPN's bottom line correctly?
Twins 20 - 1 ChiSox

?!?!?!?!

/tk

Logan · 05-21-2009, 04:40 PM

I admit knowing nothing about the guys the White Sox will supposedly give up for Peavy, but I feel comfortable saying that if you're getting back a deal that causes ESPN to state, "Peter Gammons reports Player X is not in the deal" (where in this case, X = Gordon Beckham), it's not enough.

samifan24 · 05-21-2009, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Logan

I admit knowing nothing about the guys the White Sox will supposedly give up for Peavy, but I feel comfortable saying that if you're getting back a deal that causes ESPN to state, "Peter Gammons reports Player X is not in the deal" (where in this case, X = Gordon Beckham), it's not enough.

That's significant, too, because Beckham is very nearly Major League-ready because he's coming from a big time college program, Georgia, and won't need much more time in the high minors.

samifan24 · 05-21-2009, 05:58 PM

Word is that Peavy has officially vetoed the White Sox trade.

terpkristin · 05-21-2009, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by samifan24

Word is that Peavy has officially vetoed the White Sox trade.

Been watching ESPN most of the afternoon (took the day off), it really doesn't come as much of a surprise it seems, people there were thinking he was 50/50 at BEST to accept it.

/tk

stevew · 05-21-2009, 06:55 PM

Craig stamon, the Nationals Rookie Pitcher tonight is perfect thru 4.

stevew · 05-21-2009, 07:11 PM

Disregard the previous post.

Buccaneer · 05-21-2009, 07:19 PM

Smart move for Peav. Staying with a bad team in the NL is preferable than going to a team in the AAAA League.

Mr. Sparkle · 05-21-2009, 07:23 PM

It's a smart move because he'd be going to a hitter's park in a better hitting league. His numbers would probably jump precipitously.

Ksyrup · 05-21-2009, 09:32 PM

Suffice to say it was a bad day for the White Sox.

Izulde · 05-21-2009, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Suffice to say it was a bad day for the White Sox.

No kidding.

hoopsguy · 05-21-2009, 10:57 PM

Kudos to Kenny Williams for putting his team in position to get Peavy.

As a Cubs fan, I'm elated that Peavy is not going to the South Side. Well, I'll be elated until he goes someplace in NL that hurts the Cubs. But for right now, I'm giving my Sox fan friends the business about their second-rate team.

MrBug708 · 05-21-2009, 10:58 PM

He needs to just demand a trade to the Dodgers and be done with it.

Lathum · 05-21-2009, 11:00 PM

Peavy would look pretty good in a Mets uniform and he would love pitching at Citifield.

Crapshoot · 05-22-2009, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Buccaneer

Smart move for Peav. Staying with a bad team in the NL is preferable than going to a team in the AAAA League.

Are you... nuts? I'm a Giants fan, but the quality differential between the AL and the NL is about 5-10 games in favor of the former.

Butter · 05-22-2009, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by stevew

Craig stamon, the Nationals Rookie Pitcher tonight is perfect thru 4.

University of Dayton product, Craig Stammen thankyouverymuch.

Nice job in his debut.

Shkspr · 05-22-2009, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Crapshoot

Are you... nuts? I'm a Giants fan, but the quality differential between the AL and the NL is about 5-10 games in favor of the former.

Bucc's been a little cranky ever since Crosley wired up for night games.

Buccaneer · 05-22-2009, 08:45 AM

All of my life, I have been a National League fan, esp. since 1973. National League is the Senior League, while the American League is the Arena Baseball League.

Young Drachma · 05-22-2009, 11:48 AM

Zev Chafets - Steroids shouldn't keep anyone out of the Hall of Fame - ESPN The Magazine - ESPN

molson · 05-22-2009, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Dark Cloud

Zev Chafets - Steroids shouldn't keep anyone out of the Hall of Fame - ESPN The Magazine - ESPN

That's a pretty common argument in different contexts and I never buy it. Just because we used one standard decades ago, that doesn't mean everyone should be bound by it forever. Progress isn't a bad thing. Manny/McGwire are bigger villians in today's society than Cobb/Hornby were back then. Imagine if a domestic batteror or child molester said he should get off because those crimes weren't aggressively prosecuted in the 20s and 30s.

Personally, I'd vote for any steroid user that came clean, but leave out the criminals/liars that have damaged the game (Bonds/Clemens)

DaddyTorgo · 05-22-2009, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Buccaneer

Smart move for Peav. Staying with a bad team in the NL is preferable than going to a team in the AAAA League.

Lathum · 05-22-2009, 07:33 PM

This team that the Mets have in the field right now is just brutal

Logan · 05-22-2009, 07:39 PM

First time I've ever seen a ball hit off the shortstop's knee and end up in the LF corner.

MrDNA · 05-22-2009, 08:35 PM

Seven homers in the Phils/Yanks tilt, with the bottom of the ninth still to come. Yikes!

RedKingGold · 05-22-2009, 08:53 PM

Is it too early to start MVP front-runner talk? Ibanez has to be in the National League top three candidates to this point.

JonInMiddleGA · 05-22-2009, 09:11 PM

With his steal in the 7th tonight, Brian McCann is now tied for the team lead in stolen bases this season ... with TWO.

adubroff · 05-22-2009, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by MrDNA

Seven homers in the Phils/Yanks tilt, with the bottom of the ninth still to come. Yikes!

I had mentally set the over under for the series at 15, and I'm going to be very low.

Big Fo · 05-22-2009, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

With his steal in the 7th tonight, Brian McCann is now tied for the team lead in stolen bases this season ... with TWO.

The best team in the AL so far could do nothing against Kawakami. Nice bounce for Prado's play in the ninth.

The rest of the Braves deserve a medal of honor for being one game above .500 with what has to be the worst hitting outfield of the modern era.

k0ruptr · 05-22-2009, 09:50 PM

Gavin Floyd went 8 innings of 2 hit ball today as the chisox win 2-0, maybe he can turn his season around, cause the White Sox need pitching.

JonInMiddleGA · 05-22-2009, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Fo

The best team in the AL so far could do nothing against Kawakami.

Dunno where that came from, only his 3rd quality start in 8 outings, and the first time he's lasted more than 6 innings in the majors.

k0ruptr · 05-22-2009, 09:51 PM

Kawakami has looked much much better in May then he did in April. Today he found it for sure.

larrymcg421 · 05-22-2009, 10:59 PM

Meanwhile, the Braves OF is still pathetic. Is there an outfield that produces less than this one?

ISiddiqui · 05-22-2009, 11:11 PM

Wow... what in the Hell is wrong with Ricky Nolasco this season. You'd think if it was just early season slump, it'd be over by now. This is getting absolutely ridiculous.

lordscarlet · 05-22-2009, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

Craig stamon, the Nationals Rookie Pitcher tonight is perfect thru 4.

Stammen, I believe.

Yeah, the young guys are delivering. It's a bit worrisome that there's not a single vet in the rotation to be an example, but Zimmermann just had a good outing tonight as well (I don't have the line in front of me).

Big Fo · 05-22-2009, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by larrymcg421

Meanwhile, the Braves OF is still pathetic. Is there an outfield that produces less than this one?

With a league average outfield Atlanta would finish ahead of Philly and the Mets imo.

stevew · 05-23-2009, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by lordscarlet

Stammen, I believe.

Yeah, the young guys are delivering. It's a bit worrisome that there's not a single vet in the rotation to be an example, but Zimmermann just had a good outing tonight as well (I don't have the line in front of me).

I was suretyping it on my blackberry. It's horrible when it comes to typing names, especially when I've never seen the guys name spelled out anywhere before.

That was a really hard game to lose. He leaves the non-reliever in a high leverage situation, lets him give up 4 hits before he finally figures he fucked up. Then Russell pinch hits for a guy with a .833 ops this month(with virtually no split) with a guy who has a .494 ops vs righties all year.

Those decisions didn't lose the game, but they sure as hell didn't help.

JonInMiddleGA · 05-23-2009, 12:40 AM

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/st...php?cid=467675

Through May 21st, Matt Diaz was the only Braves outfielder with more than 20 plate appearances with a positive VORP at 4.0

Schafer is (-1.5), Anderson is (-4.2), and Francouer who is second on the team in PA is (-4.9)

In the National League
-- Among regular RF's, only Brian Giles (-13.7) is worse.
-- Among regular CF's, Jody Gerut (-2.1), the Cubs platoon of Gathright/Johnson, and the Marlins duo of Maybin/Amezaga are worse.
-- Among regular LF's, the Arizona combo of Byrnes/Jackson are worse and so is Chase Headley.

Given that info, the Padres probably give the Braves a run for their money in outfield offense suckitude in the NL. A quick look at the AL seemed to have no team quite so consistently low although Detroit would be in the running if Granderson weren't doing so well.

I couldn't find WARP number year to date.

Chief Rum · 05-23-2009, 02:36 AM

FWIW, GA has always been a second half hitter.

Big Fo · 05-23-2009, 02:40 AM

Well at least we are halfway to the second half then.

Chief Rum · 05-23-2009, 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Big Fo

Well at least we are halfway to the second half then.

Heh...in his last few years with the Angels, GA, while never particularly hot in the first half, also was often not healthy to start the year, either nagging injuries or a more major month long injury, so mostly we complained about our need for power, and how GA certainly is not capable of providing what he did 6-7 years ago.

Then the second half would come around, and he would go nuts, get like 75 of his usual 90-95 ribbies from mid-July on. Never really figured out what the deal was with that.

I like GA, and the Braves are inconsequential to me as a fan (meaning I don't root against them), so I hope for the sake of both GA and the Braves that he follows his usual pattern and at least has a strong second half.

JetsIn06 · 05-23-2009, 05:59 AM

So Kazmir, who is pitching like complete shit, is heading to the DL and David Price will be pitching on Monday.

Also, Troy Percival is on the DL and is contemplating retirement. He's been dreadful lately as well, and I kind of hope he stays away.

JetsIn06 · 05-23-2009, 06:04 AM

dola

Jason Bartlett has been a huge surprise for the Rays this year. His defense was really his strength last year, but now he's just been on fire at the plate. He's hitting .375 with 6 home runs. Supposedly he really worked on getting stronger, and it shows. His previous career high in dingers? Five.

If he keeps this up, he's GOTTA be the starter in the all-star game. The next best average from a player with more than 100 AB's is Andrus who is hitting .292.

miked · 05-23-2009, 06:39 AM

Going to the Bravos game tonight. Can't wait to see the awesomeness that is Garrett Anderson live. What a waste, but I guess that's better than spending a little more to get Dunn or Abreu.

lordscarlet · 05-23-2009, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Big Fo

With a league average outfield Atlanta would finish ahead of Philly and the Mets imo.

Imagine if the Nationals had a league-average Bullpen. They have 13 blown saves and are 2-15. Thats a 35% save conversion -- next in the NL is 45% in HOU. The League average is 6-7 with 7 blown saves. So, let's say the Nationals hit the average that means 15 fewer losses (I don't know VORP and all that, so I'm going with what I know), which puts them on top of the division.

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Originally Posted by stevew

I was suretyping it on my blackberry. It's horrible when it comes to typing names, especially when I've never seen the guys name spelled out anywhere before.

That was a really hard game to lose. He leaves the non-reliever in a high leverage situation, lets him give up 4 hits before he finally figures he fucked up. Then Russell pinch hits for a guy with a .833 ops this month(with virtually no split) with a guy who has a .494 ops vs righties all year.

Those decisions didn't lose the game, but they sure as hell didn't help.

The managing has been pretty pathetic. Typically the problem is bullpen management. Puling the starter to early, using a reliever for 1 pitch in relief even when he's looking good. I know some of these are what you're "supposed" to do, but this team has proven that you need to stick with the hot pitchers.

05-21-2009, 02:50 PM	#1453
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	What flippin' luck. Detroit tried to give that game away but still won. That's the sweep, right? __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

05-21-2009, 03:01 PM	#1454
lordscarlet Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Washington, DC	And Manny Acta can't leave a pitcher in for more than 80.. __________________ Sixteen Colors ANSI/ASCII Art Archive "...the better half of the Moores..." -cthomer5000

05-21-2009, 03:20 PM	#1455
samifan24 Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: NC	Asdrubal Cabrera sure looks good in that leadoff spot. __________________ "You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball...and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time." -Jim Bouton

05-21-2009, 04:39 PM	#1457
terpkristin Grizzled Veteran Join Date: May 2003 Location: Ashburn, VA	Sheesh, did I see that flash by on ESPN's bottom line correctly? Twins 20 - 1 ChiSox ?!?!?!?! /tk __________________ GO TERPS! https://www.flickr.com/photos/terpkristin https://twitter.com/terpkristin

05-21-2009, 05:58 PM	#1460
samifan24 Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: NC	Word is that Peavy has officially vetoed the White Sox trade. __________________ "You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball...and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time." -Jim Bouton

05-21-2009, 02:34 PM	#1451
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Make that 8

05-21-2009, 04:27 PM	#1456
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Ian Snell is not that great and he looks even worse his last few starts. Threw over 120 right before his problems started.

05-21-2009, 04:40 PM	#1458
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	I admit knowing nothing about the guys the White Sox will supposedly give up for Peavy, but I feel comfortable saying that if you're getting back a deal that causes ESPN to state, "Peter Gammons reports Player X is not in the deal" (where in this case, X = Gordon Beckham), it's not enough.

05-21-2009, 06:55 PM	#1462
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Craig stamon, the Nationals Rookie Pitcher tonight is perfect thru 4.

05-21-2009, 07:11 PM	#1463
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Disregard the previous post.

05-21-2009, 07:19 PM	#1464
Buccaneer Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Colorado	Smart move for Peav. Staying with a bad team in the NL is preferable than going to a team in the AAAA League.

05-21-2009, 07:23 PM	#1465
Mr. Sparkle High School JV Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: San Francisco	It's a smart move because he'd be going to a hitter's park in a better hitting league. His numbers would probably jump precipitously. __________________ I hope life isn't a joke, because I don't get it

05-21-2009, 09:32 PM	#1466
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	Suffice to say it was a bad day for the White Sox. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

05-21-2009, 10:57 PM	#1468
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Kudos to Kenny Williams for putting his team in position to get Peavy. As a Cubs fan, I'm elated that Peavy is not going to the South Side. Well, I'll be elated until he goes someplace in NL that hurts the Cubs. But for right now, I'm giving my Sox fan friends the business about their second-rate team.

05-21-2009, 10:58 PM	#1469
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	He needs to just demand a trade to the Dodgers and be done with it.

05-21-2009, 11:00 PM	#1470
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Peavy would look pretty good in a Mets uniform and he would love pitching at Citifield.

05-22-2009, 08:45 AM	#1474
Buccaneer Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Colorado	All of my life, I have been a National League fan, esp. since 1973. National League is the Senior League, while the American League is the Arena Baseball League.

05-22-2009, 11:48 AM	#1475
Young Drachma Dark Cloud Join Date: Apr 2001	Zev Chafets - Steroids shouldn't keep anyone out of the Hall of Fame - ESPN The Magazine - ESPN __________________ Current Dynasty:The Zenith of Professional Basketball Careers (FBPB/FBCB) FBCB / FPB3 Mods

05-22-2009, 07:33 PM	#1478
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	This team that the Mets have in the field right now is just brutal

05-22-2009, 07:39 PM	#1479
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	First time I've ever seen a ball hit off the shortstop's knee and end up in the LF corner.

05-22-2009, 08:35 PM	#1480
MrDNA High School Varsity Join Date: Jan 2007	Seven homers in the Phils/Yanks tilt, with the bottom of the ninth still to come. Yikes! __________________ Norfolk Flame (Shiba) Jacksonville Bulls (UFL) R.I.P. *Ayr Bravehearts (FOFL)*

05-22-2009, 08:53 PM	#1481
RedKingGold College Starter Join Date: Oct 2002	Is it too early to start MVP front-runner talk? Ibanez has to be in the National League top three candidates to this point.

05-22-2009, 09:11 PM	#1482
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	With his steal in the 7th tonight, Brian McCann is now tied for the team lead in stolen bases this season ... with TWO. __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

05-22-2009, 09:50 PM	#1485
k0ruptr Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Las Vegas	Gavin Floyd went 8 innings of 2 hit ball today as the chisox win 2-0, maybe he can turn his season around, cause the White Sox need pitching.

05-22-2009, 09:51 PM	#1487
k0ruptr Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Las Vegas	Kawakami has looked much much better in May then he did in April. Today he found it for sure. Last edited by k0ruptr : 05-22-2009 at 09:52 PM.

05-22-2009, 10:59 PM	#1488
larrymcg421 Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Georgia	Meanwhile, the Braves OF is still pathetic. Is there an outfield that produces less than this one? __________________ Top 10 Songs of the Year 1955-Present (1976 Added) Franchise Portfolio Draft Winner Fictional Character Draft Winner Television Family Draft Winner Build Your Own Hollywood Studio Draft Winner

05-22-2009, 11:11 PM	#1489
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	Wow... what in the Hell is wrong with Ricky Nolasco this season. You'd think if it was just early season slump, it'd be over by now. This is getting absolutely ridiculous. __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

05-23-2009, 12:40 AM	#1493
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	http://www.baseballprospectus.com/st...php?cid=467675 Through May 21st, Matt Diaz was the only Braves outfielder with more than 20 plate appearances with a positive VORP at 4.0 Schafer is (-1.5), Anderson is (-4.2), and Francouer who is second on the team in PA is (-4.9) In the National League -- Among regular RF's, only Brian Giles (-13.7) is worse. -- Among regular CF's, Jody Gerut (-2.1), the Cubs platoon of Gathright/Johnson, and the Marlins duo of Maybin/Amezaga are worse. -- Among regular LF's, the Arizona combo of Byrnes/Jackson are worse and so is Chase Headley. Given that info, the Padres probably give the Braves a run for their money in outfield offense suckitude in the NL. A quick look at the AL seemed to have no team quite so consistently low although Detroit would be in the running if Granderson weren't doing so well. I couldn't find WARP number year to date. __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

05-23-2009, 02:36 AM	#1494
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	FWIW, GA has always been a second half hitter. __________________ . . I would rather be wrong...Than live in the shadows of your song...My mind is open wide...And now I'm ready to start...You're not sure...You open the door...And step out into the dark...Now I'm ready.

05-23-2009, 02:40 AM	#1495
Big Fo Pro Rookie Join Date: Jan 2005	Well at least we are halfway to the second half then.

05-23-2009, 05:59 AM	#1497
JetsIn06 Pro Rookie Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Rahway, NJ	So Kazmir, who is pitching like complete shit, is heading to the DL and David Price will be pitching on Monday. Also, Troy Percival is on the DL and is contemplating retirement. He's been dreadful lately as well, and I kind of hope he stays away.

05-23-2009, 06:04 AM	#1498
JetsIn06 Pro Rookie Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Rahway, NJ	dola Jason Bartlett has been a huge surprise for the Rays this year. His defense was really his strength last year, but now he's just been on fire at the plate. He's hitting .375 with 6 home runs. Supposedly he really worked on getting stronger, and it shows. His previous career high in dingers? Five. If he keeps this up, he's GOTTA be the starter in the all-star game. The next best average from a player with more than 100 AB's is Andrus who is hitting .292.

05-23-2009, 06:39 AM	#1499
miked College Starter Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: The Dirty	Going to the Bravos game tonight. Can't wait to see the awesomeness that is Garrett Anderson live. What a waste, but I guess that's better than spending a little more to get Dunn or Abreu. __________________ Commish of the United Baseball League (OOTP 6.5)

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