The OFFICIAL 2008-09 NHL Thread - Page 30

TurnerONU22 · 02-23-2009, 06:13 PM

So, ML, is "BrianBurke" still going to be around?

Logan · 02-23-2009, 06:46 PM

Tortorella made a lot of sense from the very beginning. He should bring some discipline to the team.

Chief Rum · 02-24-2009, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by bhlloy

Assuming the Ducks end up having the fire sale they are rumored to be having, anyone think the Wings might take a look at Giguere? I mean the salary might be problematic, but I expect there is some way to work around it. He plays his best in the postseason and would clearly put the Wings back ahead of the Sharks as the best team in the West IMO.

I'm even more convinced than I was a couple of months ago that the future is Hiller. This team is in rebuild mode next year anyway, if they lose Pronger at the deadline and possibly Selanne and Niedermayer in the offseason.

I think the salary is a big deal. I don't see anyone taking him now. Maybe in the offseason. Even then, I think it would be a hard sell here in the OC, given how most of the fanbase feels about Jiggy. I still like Jiggy a lot myself. I am thinking Hiller might be the guy we need in net more often, though (like you).

For about two weeks now, really, I have actually been hoping we would have afire sale. It's the perfect time to do it. We have a ton of players with playoff experience who aren't going to help us much, if at all, in the future, and I think we can get some pretty good young, developing talent with some of the guys we can have available.

The great thing about it (other than the crap that has been this year) is that I feel the Ducks have had some solid drafts recently and picked up some good young talent that isn't that far off. Plus, they already have Getzlaf, Perry and Kunitz locked up and young, and Ryan isn't going anywhere for a while, and I like some of the D-man kiddies we have, although the blueline is still going to be pretty poor after moving the vest.

So we can bounce back this pretty quick, I think, and also have a good deal of cap room to bring in help where needed in the offseason.

bhlloy · 02-24-2009, 12:36 AM

Oh, I've been hoping they have a fire sale for at least 3 weeks now (probably since the all star break) If we play lights out until the end of the season, we get a 7 seed and a sweep by the Red Wings, and then Pronger, Niedermayer and Selanne can all possibly leave for nothing. There's really nothing to gain from hanging onto them right now.

When you look at the core of the team, the forwards look better than any time since Selanne and Kariya were together, defense is going to be shaky for a couple of years but some very promising kids back there (think Festerling is a top 2 guy and impressed with Mikkelson as well) and if Beauchemin comes back healthy, he's very underrated and should really shine as "the guy" back there. Goaltender could be the biggest problem (or at least controversy), do you stay with the popular declining veteran or give Hiller a chance to see if he's a true #1?

If they can pick up a decent young NHL ready defenseman and a first round pick, I'd trade Pronger in a heartbeat. His heart wasn't in Anaheim since the cup IMO and it's time to move on. Selanne could also get a decent return - at this point he's pretty much a situational PP guy but he can make a playoff team much better in that regard. Listening to the GM yesterday, it's clear the fire sale is coming. Just hope that we get decent returns and he hasn't overplayed his hand.

Maple Leafs · 02-24-2009, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by TurnerONU22

So, ML, is "BrianBurke" still going to be around?

Seems like it. Through all the craziness the past few days, nobody from MLSE or Twitter has actually contacted me about it.

Dr. Sak · 02-24-2009, 08:20 AM

Hurry up and legally change your name to Brian Burke.

NoSkillz · 02-24-2009, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

Seems like it. Through all the craziness the past few days, nobody from MLSE or Twitter has actually contacted me about it.

Congratulations on the publicity. I saw the article on Yahoo last night - your hit counter must be going through the roof!

I couldn't be more ambivalent about the Leafs but I still check out your blog daily. Keep up the great work.

Honolulu_Blue · 02-24-2009, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by NoSkillz

Congratulations on the publicity. I saw the article on Yahoo last night - you're hit counter must be going through the roof!

I couldn't be more ambivalent about the Leafs but I still check out your blog daily. Keep up the great work.

+1

samifan24 · 02-24-2009, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

Seems like it. Through all the craziness the past few days, nobody from MLSE or Twitter has actually contacted me about it.

Wow, so I just read about the Brian Burke Twitter thing; that's you? They'll probably let you keep the account but make you change your Twitter ID to "FakeBrianBurke" or something.

Maple Leafs · 02-24-2009, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by NoSkillz

Congratulations on the publicity. I saw the article on Yahoo last night - you're hit counter must be going through the roof!

There was lots of traffic yesterday, but 99% of those guys will never stick around. It was all probably a lot more trouble than it was worth.

Fidatelo · 02-24-2009, 10:41 AM

I think the BrianBurke thing is hilarious.

I also read Down Goes Brown pretty regularly, although usually in clumps (like 5-6 posts at a time rather than every day). It's probably my favorite blog.

Draft Dodger · 02-24-2009, 02:35 PM

true story: when I read the BrianBurke tweets yesterday (because of Eklund's OUTRAGE), my first thought was that ML was behind it. terrific stuff!

Draft Dodger · 02-24-2009, 02:41 PM

the hockey cousin of baseball prospectus has launched today: http://www.puckprospectus.com/

and, yes, yours truly will be involved.

Honolulu_Blue · 02-24-2009, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Draft Dodger

the hockey cousin of baseball prospectus has launched today: http://www.puckprospectus.com/

and, yes, yours truly will be involved.

Awesome!

Though, DD, considering you're an Aves fan, I think you're probably a lot more qualified to write the "Under The Blade" report than Will Carroll.

Draft Dodger · 02-24-2009, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

Awesome!

Though, DD, considering you're an Aves fan, I think you're probably a lot more qualified to write the "Under The Blade" report than Will Carroll.

this is absolutely true!

samifan24 · 02-24-2009, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Draft Dodger

the hockey cousin of baseball prospectus has launched today: http://www.puckprospectus.com/

and, yes, yours truly will be involved.

Very cool. It will be interesting to see what kinds of analysis are done and how and if they change the game of hockey in the future.

Maple Leafs · 02-24-2009, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Draft Dodger

the hockey cousin of baseball prospectus has launched today: http://www.puckprospectus.com/

Sweet! Will they do the predictions like the baseball guys?

It will be fun to know that the Leafs are going to finish last in the off-season, instead of 10 minutes into the first pre-season game.

Pyser · 02-24-2009, 03:22 PM

great, great work ML. i'm following

Galaxy · 02-24-2009, 05:05 PM

Sabres host the Ducks (7 PM EST on VS) tonight. With our backup goalie taking over for the injured Miller, and the extremely physical, gritty play of the first game last month, it should be a fun one to watch.

Dr. Sak · 02-24-2009, 08:32 PM

Nice win for the Flyers tonight. They were down 2-1 in the 3rd and scored 3 goals in 3 minutes to beat the Caps in Washington.

samifan24 · 02-24-2009, 08:35 PM

The Bruins bounce back in a big way with a 6-1 rout of the Florida Panthers. All lines contributed to the win and the Bruins really turned it on in the 3rd period.

Maple Leafs · 02-24-2009, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Pyser

great, great work ML. i'm following

Cool. Thanks for the kind words everyone, didn't realize FOFC was following the blog.

Pyser · 02-24-2009, 11:41 PM

i meant the twitter, but, yes, all around well done

Pumpy Tudors · 02-24-2009, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

Cool. Thanks for the kind words everyone, didn't realize FOFC was following the blog.

So where exactly was your post on FOFC telling us that you were doing the whole BrianBurke Twitter thing? Because I wish I had known about it before a couple of hours ago.

Honolulu_Blue · 02-25-2009, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

Cool. Thanks for the kind words everyone, didn't realize FOFC was following the blog.

I've tried to leave a comment or two in the past, but for some reason, I can't. I will have to look into again.

Fidatelo · 02-25-2009, 09:13 AM

I'm pretty sure I've left a couple comments in the past, but I probably used my Blogger account so they'd appear under my real name.

Dr. Sak · 02-25-2009, 09:18 AM

I just like to leave comments on DGB like...aren't you glad JFJ didn't want to trade Kaberle for Carter and a 1st?

bbor · 02-25-2009, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Sak

I just like to leave comments on DGB like...aren't you glad JFJ didn't want to trade Kaberle for Carter and a 1st?

Die!

Slowly.......bastard

MikeVic · 02-25-2009, 10:35 AM

I read Down Goes Brown sometimes, but my NHL interest has gone down a lot each years since the Jets left. The Leafs were my 2nd fav team when they had Gilmour, Potvin, and Clark...

TurnerONU22 · 02-25-2009, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors

So where exactly was your post on FOFC telling us that you were doing the whole BrianBurke Twitter thing? Because I wish I had known about it before a couple of hours ago.

I don't know if he mentioned it on here, but I noticed it on HFBoards. That's when I made the connection back to ML on here.

Maple Leafs · 02-25-2009, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

I've tried to leave a comment or two in the past, but for some reason, I can't. I will have to look into again.

Yeah. we have an anti-Wings fan filter that works pretty well.

Maple Leafs · 02-25-2009, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors

So where exactly was your post on FOFC telling us that you were doing the whole BrianBurke Twitter thing? Because I wish I had known about it before a couple of hours ago.

I don't think I mentioned it. I didn't really promote it anywhere other than one screencap on another blog. I wanted to see if/how it would grow on its own.

Pyser · 02-25-2009, 01:06 PM

brodeur returns tomorrow. for the first time since rolston went down october 16th, the devils will have their entire lineup healthy. should be interesting.

DeToxRox · 02-25-2009, 01:10 PM

Wings/Sharks tonight. Should be a blast.

kingfc22 · 02-25-2009, 06:43 PM

How is that not a major penalty?

kingfc22 · 02-25-2009, 06:48 PM

Ugh. Nabby lets in a soft goal.

DeToxRox · 02-25-2009, 06:57 PM

Nabby is a great goalie but there will be so much pressure on him this post-season. He has yet to win anything worth a damn and this is a year he has to step it up.

kingfc22 · 02-25-2009, 07:13 PM

Big goal for SJ right after DET went up 2-0.

DeToxRox · 02-25-2009, 07:16 PM

Goal disallowed. Good call as the whole puck didn't cross the line.

Galaxy · 02-25-2009, 07:40 PM

Lalime might be out for the Sabres tomorrow after coming down with the flu.

20-year-old Swedish goalie Jhonas Enroth may get his first start (and first NHL action) tomorrow in Carolina.

Dr. Sak · 02-26-2009, 11:37 AM

The Pittsburgh Penguins have cleared up a bit of their log jam along their blueline as they have traded Ryan Whitney to the Anaheim Ducks for Chris Kunitz and Eric Tangradi.

Travis · 02-26-2009, 11:45 AM

Q for the Ducks fans on the board, does this pretty much open the door for a Pronger deal or are they still more likely to try and wait until the offseason to deal him?

Dr. Sak · 02-26-2009, 12:08 PM

Flyers place Ossi Vannanen and Glen Metropolit on waivers. This is all to make room for Briere on Friday. I'm glad the didn't end up sending Powe down.

Suburban Rhythm · 02-26-2009, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Sak

The Pittsburgh Penguins have cleared up a bit of their log jam along their blueline as they have traded Ryan Whitney to the Anaheim Ducks for Chris Kunitz and Eric Tangradi.

I hate not having access at work anymore.

Whitney has been awful since coming back from injury. He's shown none of the little toughness he did show in the playoffs last year. He fumbles the puck all the time. He does make a beautiful outlet pass, but he's regressed in the last 18 months from that 59 point season.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr. Sak

Flyers place Ossi Vannanen and Glen Metropolit on waivers. This is all to make room for Briere on Friday. I'm glad the didn't end up sending Powe down.

I thought Vaananen had been playing well?

JPhillips · 02-26-2009, 06:15 PM

If DC isn't looking at Pronger they should grab Vaananen. He'd certainly be an upgrade over their current 4-6 defensemen.

samifan24 · 02-26-2009, 08:57 PM

The Bruins destroyed the Ducks 6-0 tonight. They've outscored the opposition 12-1 over the last two games. It's about time.

Maple Leafs · 02-26-2009, 10:04 PM

Looks like Brendan Witt will be facing a suspension...

Chief Rum · 02-26-2009, 11:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Travis

Q for the Ducks fans on the board, does this pretty much open the door for a Pronger deal or are they still more likely to try and wait until the offseason to deal him?

They were skirting the edge as it was, and this trip was crucial. They won two and lost two already on a trip they needed to sweep to really have a chance to make a difference in the playoffs. And Murray more or less said just last week he didn't see any value in finishing 7th or 8th either.

So, yes, I am sure Pronger is available right now. But if a team wants him now instead of the offseason, they're going to need to pay through the noise.

FTR, I hate this Whitney deal. Cannot stand it. Kunitz is a solid two-way player with speed, youth, a reasonable contract and a proven player on offense. Tangredi is a terrific looking power forward prospect. Whitney might not even be better than the three kids the Ducks are playing on the blueline right now (Mikkelsson, Festerling, Salcido). Just a crap deal.

I miss Burke. He wouldn't have made this deal.

Dr. Sak · 02-27-2009, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Suburban Rhythm

I thought Vaananen had been playing well?

He became a victim of the cap more than anything. Briere is suppose to play tonight and between Ossi and Glen I think they make a combined 2.3 million which is about what the Flyers need to get Danny in the lineup.

When Ryan Parent became healthy and came up, he was really solid. Ossi was hurt at the same time so he became the 7th defenseman when he came back. Right now their pairings are:

Timonen - Parent
Coburn - Carle
Alberts - Jones

I think those are three solid parings. Coburn isn't playing as well as last year but he's still good. I just wish Matt Carle would quit turning the puck over so much.

Dr. Sak · 02-27-2009, 11:49 AM

Vaananen was claimed by the Canucks and Metropolit was claimed by the Habs, who the Flyers play tonight.

02-24-2009, 10:41 AM	#1461
Fidatelo Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Winnipeg, MB	I think the BrianBurke thing is hilarious. I also read Down Goes Brown pretty regularly, although usually in clumps (like 5-6 posts at a time rather than every day). It's probably my favorite blog. __________________ "Breakfast? Breakfast schmekfast, look at the score for God's sake. It's only the second period and I'm winning 12-2. Breakfasts come and go, Rene, but Hartford, the Whale, they only beat Vancouver maybe once or twice in a lifetime."

02-24-2009, 02:35 PM	#1462
Draft Dodger Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Keene, NH	true story: when I read the BrianBurke tweets yesterday (because of Eklund's OUTRAGE), my first thought was that ML was behind it. terrific stuff! __________________ Mile High Hockey

02-24-2009, 02:41 PM	#1463
Draft Dodger Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Keene, NH	the hockey cousin of baseball prospectus has launched today: http://www.puckprospectus.com/ and, yes, yours truly will be involved. __________________ Mile High Hockey

02-24-2009, 08:35 PM	#1471
samifan24 Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: NC	The Bruins bounce back in a big way with a 6-1 rout of the Florida Panthers. All lines contributed to the win and the Bruins really turned it on in the 3rd period. __________________ "You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball...and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time." -Jim Bouton

02-25-2009, 09:13 AM	#1476
Fidatelo Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Winnipeg, MB	I'm pretty sure I've left a couple comments in the past, but I probably used my Blogger account so they'd appear under my real name. __________________ "Breakfast? Breakfast schmekfast, look at the score for God's sake. It's only the second period and I'm winning 12-2. Breakfasts come and go, Rene, but Hartford, the Whale, they only beat Vancouver maybe once or twice in a lifetime."

02-23-2009, 06:13 PM	#1451
TurnerONU22 High School Varsity Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Ashville, OH	So, ML, is "BrianBurke" still going to be around?

02-23-2009, 06:46 PM	#1452
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	Tortorella made a lot of sense from the very beginning. He should bring some discipline to the team.

02-24-2009, 12:36 AM	#1454
bhlloy Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003	Oh, I've been hoping they have a fire sale for at least 3 weeks now (probably since the all star break) If we play lights out until the end of the season, we get a 7 seed and a sweep by the Red Wings, and then Pronger, Niedermayer and Selanne can all possibly leave for nothing. There's really nothing to gain from hanging onto them right now. When you look at the core of the team, the forwards look better than any time since Selanne and Kariya were together, defense is going to be shaky for a couple of years but some very promising kids back there (think Festerling is a top 2 guy and impressed with Mikkelson as well) and if Beauchemin comes back healthy, he's very underrated and should really shine as "the guy" back there. Goaltender could be the biggest problem (or at least controversy), do you stay with the popular declining veteran or give Hiller a chance to see if he's a true #1? If they can pick up a decent young NHL ready defenseman and a first round pick, I'd trade Pronger in a heartbeat. His heart wasn't in Anaheim since the cup IMO and it's time to move on. Selanne could also get a decent return - at this point he's pretty much a situational PP guy but he can make a playoff team much better in that regard. Listening to the GM yesterday, it's clear the fire sale is coming. Just hope that we get decent returns and he hasn't overplayed his hand.

02-24-2009, 08:20 AM	#1456
Dr. Sak Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Stuck in Yinzerville, PA	Hurry up and legally change your name to Brian Burke.

02-24-2009, 03:22 PM	#1468
Pyser Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Los Angeles	great, great work ML. i'm following

02-24-2009, 05:05 PM	#1469
Galaxy Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2005	Sabres host the Ducks (7 PM EST on VS) tonight. With our backup goalie taking over for the injured Miller, and the extremely physical, gritty play of the first game last month, it should be a fun one to watch.

02-24-2009, 08:32 PM	#1470
Dr. Sak Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Stuck in Yinzerville, PA	Nice win for the Flyers tonight. They were down 2-1 in the 3rd and scored 3 goals in 3 minutes to beat the Caps in Washington.

02-24-2009, 11:41 PM	#1473
Pyser Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Los Angeles	i meant the twitter, but, yes, all around well done

02-25-2009, 09:18 AM	#1477
Dr. Sak Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Stuck in Yinzerville, PA	I just like to leave comments on DGB like...aren't you glad JFJ didn't want to trade Kaberle for Carter and a 1st?

02-25-2009, 10:35 AM	#1479
MikeVic Head Coach Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hometown of Canada	I read Down Goes Brown sometimes, but my NHL interest has gone down a lot each years since the Jets left. The Leafs were my 2nd fav team when they had Gilmour, Potvin, and Clark...

02-25-2009, 01:06 PM	#1483
Pyser Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Los Angeles	brodeur returns tomorrow. for the first time since rolston went down october 16th, the devils will have their entire lineup healthy. should be interesting.

02-25-2009, 01:10 PM	#1484
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	Wings/Sharks tonight. Should be a blast.

02-25-2009, 06:43 PM	#1485
kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	How is that not a major penalty? __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal

02-25-2009, 06:48 PM	#1486
kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	Ugh. Nabby lets in a soft goal. __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal

02-25-2009, 06:57 PM	#1487
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	Nabby is a great goalie but there will be so much pressure on him this post-season. He has yet to win anything worth a damn and this is a year he has to step it up.

02-25-2009, 07:13 PM	#1488
kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	Big goal for SJ right after DET went up 2-0. __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal

02-25-2009, 07:16 PM	#1489
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	Goal disallowed. Good call as the whole puck didn't cross the line.

02-25-2009, 07:40 PM	#1490
Galaxy Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2005	Lalime might be out for the Sabres tomorrow after coming down with the flu. 20-year-old Swedish goalie Jhonas Enroth may get his first start (and first NHL action) tomorrow in Carolina.

02-26-2009, 11:37 AM	#1491
Dr. Sak Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Stuck in Yinzerville, PA	The Pittsburgh Penguins have cleared up a bit of their log jam along their blueline as they have traded Ryan Whitney to the Anaheim Ducks for Chris Kunitz and Eric Tangradi.

02-26-2009, 11:45 AM	#1492
Travis Pro Rookie Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Canada eh	Q for the Ducks fans on the board, does this pretty much open the door for a Pronger deal or are they still more likely to try and wait until the offseason to deal him? __________________ "I don't want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it." - Rogers Hornsby

02-26-2009, 12:08 PM	#1493
Dr. Sak Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Stuck in Yinzerville, PA	Flyers place Ossi Vannanen and Glen Metropolit on waivers. This is all to make room for Briere on Friday. I'm glad the didn't end up sending Powe down.

02-26-2009, 06:15 PM	#1495
JPhillips Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Newburgh, NY	If DC isn't looking at Pronger they should grab Vaananen. He'd certainly be an upgrade over their current 4-6 defensemen. __________________ To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers

02-26-2009, 08:57 PM	#1496
samifan24 Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: NC	The Bruins destroyed the Ducks 6-0 tonight. They've outscored the opposition 12-1 over the last two games. It's about time. __________________ "You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball...and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time." -Jim Bouton

02-26-2009, 10:04 PM	#1497
Maple Leafs Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002	Looks like Brendan Witt will be facing a suspension... __________________ Down Goes Brown: Toronto Maple Leafs Humor and Analysis

02-27-2009, 11:49 AM	#1500
Dr. Sak Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Stuck in Yinzerville, PA	Vaananen was claimed by the Canucks and Metropolit was claimed by the Habs, who the Flyers play tonight.

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