LXXVIII: Politicus Lupus (GAME OVER!! SEE POST #2593 FOR RESULTS) - Page 30

Passacaglia · 07-25-2008, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by KWhit

Okay. I have gone back through the Democratic thread, looking at the time period from about 3:00 to the deadline last night.

It struck me at the time that there was one person more than any other that seemed to be pushing the vote away from MrsS. Now this stuck out to me before I even knew that MrsS was a wolf. That person is Eaglefan and he will be getting my vote today.

As I read back through, it's not quite as blatant as I remembered it being, so I could be wrong about him. But he kept on suggesting that the Repubs were luring us into a false sense of security by splitting their vote and would all switch to one of the Dems at the end (he's not the only one that thought that, BTW). So he thought we should pool our votes onto a Republican.

However, he kept suggesting other Repubs and not MrsS (who would have been the obvious choice since she was slightly leading in votes at the time). If it was really a case of "let's make sure the Repubs don't trick us," MrsS would have been the obvious choice to vote for.

In addition, he was already on my radar for coming after me really strongly yesterday morning - accusing me of a number of things without any cause to do so including lying about who I slurried/supported. It struck me as a wolf trying to discredit me with no real evidence to do so.

Like I said, I could be wrong, but it's the best I can offer today. I'm away for a bit but will be back to discuss around 2-2:30 eastern time.

Vote Censure Eaglefan

This is good stuff. What about your vote for Mrs. S on Day 1? I don't expect that any of her wolfie friends would have needed to raise a stink, since by the time you voted for her, it was pretty clear what both parties were going to do (IIRC), but I'm curious to see if there was a reaction that day as well.

jeheinz72 · 07-25-2008, 12:19 PM

As I mentioned before, EF's actions have been strange to me as well. Voting for who we put up for Speaker just seems like general poor logic then the Tyrith vote struck me as well.

Additionally, his posts in here have seemed really hell-bent on sowing discord among the parties. I know I'm guilty of that as well, but I like to think any partisan bickering I've done has been more on-topic where his seem more random and directed just at starting bickering.

Should more Dems agree with this notion, I'll likely vote EF myself, but my most trusted Dem doing so means a lot IMO.

jeheinz72 · 07-25-2008, 12:19 PM

Was that when KWhit voted mrs.s then Lathum switched to KWhit then switched back to Clap?

PackerFanatic · 07-25-2008, 12:22 PM

VOTE EAGLEFAN

Something has struck me since day 1 and knowing that I am not the only party member to feel this, I feel better in this vote.

PackerFanatic · 07-25-2008, 12:22 PM

VOTE CENSURE EAGLEFAN

Just to be clear.

chesapeake · 07-25-2008, 12:27 PM

Rough night for me and my daughter. I jsut got in. Catching up on posts.

Passacaglia · 07-25-2008, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by jeheinz72

Was that when KWhit voted mrs.s then Lathum switched to KWhit then switched back to Clap?

Are you talking to me? Yeah, that's what I was talking about when I said "Day 1" -- I really meant Day 2.

Passacaglia · 07-25-2008, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by jeheinz72

Yeah, frankly your vote for Mrs. Schmidty gives you a tick of favor in my eyes, truth be told.

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Originally Posted by KWhit

And ironically, we both got heat inside our party for it.

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Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Who gave you heat for your votes, if you don't mind the question?

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Originally Posted by KWhit

It's obvious from this thread last night, isn't it?

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Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

I guess, but I know that a couple of us seemed to feel that the you vs. Lathum dynamic felt a bit 'manufactured.' Not in a wolf way, but maybe in a partisan way, particularly with you making the final damning vote on Claph.

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Originally Posted by KWhit

Nothing manufactured there (at least from my POV).

FTR, in that first post by heinz, he was talking to chesapeake. Anyway, KWhit, your second post in this exchange interests me. Is there a reason you didn't mention EagleFan at this point?

chesapeake · 07-25-2008, 12:43 PM

Caught up in this thread. +1 to the cheers for the BG. Headed to the Dem thread.

path12 · 07-25-2008, 12:51 PM

Before I saw KWhit's post, I had mentioned EF as one of my two suspects in our party thread. It's much more of just a vague gut thing for me though, I don't know if I feel strongly enough to vote for him yet.

RendeR · 07-25-2008, 01:01 PM

I may not be in after 5pm tonight so I'm going to ensure that the good people of District 8 have their say in things this year.

VOTE CENSURE EAGLEFAN

I'll be popping over to the Republican thread to suggest some legislation then I'll be off for awhile to mow the lawn.

illinifan999 · 07-25-2008, 01:10 PM

VOTE EAGLEFAN

How are the dems doing on legislation for today?

PackerFanatic · 07-25-2008, 01:12 PM

Not many around this morning...

Tyrith · 07-25-2008, 01:12 PM

well, this one looks like a slam dunk -- and I'm okay with it, because his PB vote yesterday really, really stunk IMO.

chesapeake · 07-25-2008, 01:17 PM

I double-checked the posts that KWhit suggested and I agree with his assessment. Knowing what we know now, EF's posts do look like he was trying to save Mrs. S. I am comfortable with this vote.

VOTE CENSURE EAGLEFAN

KWhit · 07-25-2008, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

FTR, in that first post by heinz, he was talking to chesapeake. Anyway, KWhit, your second post in this exchange interests me. Is there a reason you didn't mention EagleFan at this point?

I'll have to go back and check that day's events, but there was no need to really complain about my vote being on MrsS per se, since she wasn't in the running for lynch (it was between henry and clap). The reaction I got was more discord about splitting the party's vote than any obvious attempt at saving someone, I think. But I can check to make sure.

jeheinz72 · 07-25-2008, 01:19 PM

I like this vote, my 2 most trusted Dems are in agreement

Vote Censure EagleFan

Tyrith · 07-25-2008, 01:19 PM

Well, I wish it hadn't turned into a dogpile, because we're not going to learn anything -- the wolves have probably started feasting on their own. But I also don't think there is a productive way to make the vote broader, and I really like the EF lynch, so...I'm just going to sit here and wait to cast my vote later, just in the small chance something odd happens.

Passacaglia · 07-25-2008, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by KWhit

I'll have to go back and check that day's events, but there was no need to really complain about my vote being on MrsS per se, since she wasn't in the running for lynch (it was between henry and clap). The reaction I got was more discord about splitting the party's vote than any obvious attempt at saving someone, I think. But I can check to make sure.

If you're talking about Day 2, it's not a big deal. I was more curious why you painted Lathum as the only one who put heat on you, and now you're talking about EagleFan.

KWhit · 07-25-2008, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

If you're talking about Day 2, it's not a big deal. I was more curious why you painted Lathum as the only one who put heat on you, and now you're talking about EagleFan.

IIRC, it was just Lathum that put heat on me that day for my 1st MrsS vote. But I'm talking about EF's actions yesterday that have me thinking he's a wolf.

Is there something I haven't made clear about that?

Tyrith · 07-25-2008, 01:24 PM

Well, here's a question for you, KWhit - what are you guys going to do about Lathum's election today?

KWhit · 07-25-2008, 01:27 PM

Not trying to say too much here, but I think he'll probably get re-elected.

And that should not be taken one way or another to indicate my level of trust for him (because frankly I just haven't decided about my trust level for him yet).

Passacaglia · 07-25-2008, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by KWhit

IIRC, it was just Lathum that put heat on me that day for my 1st MrsS vote. But I'm talking about EF's actions yesterday that have me thinking he's a wolf.

Is there something I haven't made clear about that?

Nope, just me getting confused -- for some reason, I had it in my head that you were saying he put heat on you on Day 2, not just Day 3.

path12 · 07-25-2008, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrith

Well, here's a question for you, KWhit - what are you guys going to do about Lathum's election today?

I don't know about anyone else, but my feeling about Lathum has improved in the last day. He seemed very willing to switch to Mrs. S. if necessary and really despite the general suspicion from others he's not pinging me very much this game.

Just my two cents.

illinifan999 · 07-25-2008, 02:14 PM

I opened the democratic thread, but since I always open these in multiple windows I was only able to see the thread title on my menubar. It was a complete accident, and I didn't see anything in the thread. Sorry!

Lathum · 07-25-2008, 02:24 PM

Will Lathum get re elected tonight.........

KWhit · 07-25-2008, 02:26 PM

I'll be submitting a bill shortly.

Vote early. Vote often.

KWhit · 07-25-2008, 02:35 PM

Congressional Electoral Oversight Bill

CONGRESSIONAL SPONSORSHIP: Mccollins and Chesapeake

WHEREAS, allegations of tampering in prior elections have undermined the democratic process.

BE IT RESOLVED:

Additional oversight shall be provided to enable elections to proceed with full accountability.

If a congressperson abuses his power to impact a fellow congressperson's election (positively or negatively), it will become immediately known to the rest of the Congress.

The media will not be alerted (so there will be no popularity impact from the action).

In addition, if a Congressperson uses his power to infuence his or her OWN election, this will not be made public to the Congress.

KWhit · 07-25-2008, 02:36 PM

VOTE YES TO Congressional Electoral Oversight Bill

chesapeake · 07-25-2008, 02:37 PM

VOTE YES TO Congressional Electoral Oversight Bill

oliegirl · 07-25-2008, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by KWhit

Congressional Electoral Oversight Bill

CONGRESSIONAL SPONSORSHIP: Mccollins and Chesapeake

WHEREAS, allegations of tampering in prior elections have undermined the democratic process.

BE IT RESOLVED:

Additional oversight shall be provided to enable elections to proceed with full accountability.

If a congressperson abuses his power to impact a fellow congressperson's election (positively or negatively), it will become immediately known to the rest of the Congress.

The media will not be alerted (so there will be no popularity impact from the action).

In addition, if a Congressperson uses his power to infuence his or her OWN election, this will not be made public to the Congress.

Let it be known that I have some slight reservations about this bill...not enough to say you can't proceed with a vote, but enough to say that I'm not very sure it will make it past the Supreme Court.

KWhit · 07-25-2008, 02:39 PM

oliegirl · 07-25-2008, 02:40 PM

Also, the Congressional Electoral Oversight Bill will from here on out be referred to as the CEO

oliegirl · 07-25-2008, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by KWhit

Bah.

Humbug.

jeheinz72 · 07-25-2008, 02:41 PM

Vote yes to the CEO

KWhit · 07-25-2008, 02:49 PM

And as far as the bill was concerned, I racked my brain trying to come up with something relatively minor (but still useful) that would pass the supreme court, so hopefully it passes.

illinifan999 · 07-25-2008, 02:52 PM

I'd like to see something that would give the doctor and BG PM rights.

KWhit · 07-25-2008, 02:53 PM

I'm out for a while, but should be back on before deadline.

illinifan999 · 07-25-2008, 02:53 PM

Whether that would pass the Supreme Court, I don't really know though.

henry296 · 07-25-2008, 02:59 PM

Illinifan,

That would concern my from the supreeme court since the seer couldn't get PM rights.

Passacaglia · 07-25-2008, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by henry296

Illinifan,

That would concern my from the supreeme court since the seer couldn't get PM rights.

I think it could work as a centrist bill, but you'd probably have to make them brothers, which means they die together, and I really don't think we want that.

mccollins · 07-25-2008, 03:04 PM

Busy day at work while just leaving the quiet thread open on another computer. Just in case it might pass the court:
VOTE YES TO Congressional Electoral Oversight Bill

Additionally, I'll go ahead and put the lynch vote out there since I almost missed it last night:
Vote to Lynch EagleFan

Passacaglia · 07-25-2008, 03:17 PM

VOTE YES CEO
VOTE LYNCH EAGLEFAN

Chubby · 07-25-2008, 03:53 PM

catching up

chesapeake · 07-25-2008, 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oliegirl

Let it be known that I have some slight reservations about this bill...not enough to say you can't proceed with a vote, but enough to say that I'm not very sure it will make it past the Supreme Court.

Can we resubmit?

oliegirl · 07-25-2008, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by chesapeake

Can we resubmit?

Email me a revision and we can talk about it.

chesapeake · 07-25-2008, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by oliegirl

Email me a revision and we can talk about it.

Done

henry296 · 07-25-2008, 04:05 PM

I've kept searching for a better option than EagleFan and can't find one although I have another good suspect but don't have enought evidence to get enough votes since I think there are enough votes to hang EagleFan already. With the vote switching penalty, it doesn't make sense.

CENSURE EagleFan

Chubby · 07-25-2008, 04:14 PM

Vote censure eaglefan

I'm in agreement with others on this. Kinda sucked I was at work all day but oh well...

PurdueBrad · 07-25-2008, 04:19 PM

Henry, the blind run on EF has me wondering a bit. Who is your alternative candidate?

Also, has EF been around to provide any defense?

I have to be honest, his play, only from what I've seen here obviously, doesn't really scream out anything different to me. Yeah, he voted for me, he does that every game regardless of the situation. I'm not sure I'm willing to go there yet but I'll read back through.

07-25-2008, 12:22 PM	#1454
PackerFanatic Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	VOTE EAGLEFAN Something has struck me since day 1 and knowing that I am not the only party member to feel this, I feel better in this vote. __________________ Commissioner of the RNFL

07-25-2008, 12:22 PM	#1455
PackerFanatic Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	VOTE CENSURE EAGLEFAN Just to be clear. __________________ Commissioner of the RNFL

07-25-2008, 12:51 PM	#1460
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	Before I saw KWhit's post, I had mentioned EF as one of my two suspects in our party thread. It's much more of just a vague gut thing for me though, I don't know if I feel strongly enough to vote for him yet. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

07-25-2008, 01:01 PM	#1461
RendeR Coordinator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Buffalo, NY	I may not be in after 5pm tonight so I'm going to ensure that the good people of District 8 have their say in things this year. VOTE CENSURE EAGLEFAN I'll be popping over to the Republican thread to suggest some legislation then I'll be off for awhile to mow the lawn. __________________ http://wotlabs.net/s...8/signature.png http://wotlabs.net/sig_dark/na/banichi18/signature.png

07-25-2008, 01:10 PM	#1462
illinifan999 Pro Rookie Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: VA	VOTE EAGLEFAN How are the dems doing on legislation for today? __________________ Chicago Eagles 2 time ZFL champions We're "rebuilding"

07-25-2008, 12:27 PM	#1456
chesapeake College Starter Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Arlington, VA	Rough night for me and my daughter. I jsut got in. Catching up on posts.

07-25-2008, 12:43 PM	#1459
chesapeake College Starter Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Arlington, VA	Caught up in this thread. +1 to the cheers for the BG. Headed to the Dem thread.

07-25-2008, 01:12 PM	#1463
PackerFanatic Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	Not many around this morning... __________________ Commissioner of the RNFL

07-25-2008, 01:12 PM	#1464
Tyrith College Starter Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Houston, TX	well, this one looks like a slam dunk -- and I'm okay with it, because his PB vote yesterday really, really stunk IMO.

07-25-2008, 01:17 PM	#1465
chesapeake College Starter Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Arlington, VA	I double-checked the posts that KWhit suggested and I agree with his assessment. Knowing what we know now, EF's posts do look like he was trying to save Mrs. S. I am comfortable with this vote. VOTE CENSURE EAGLEFAN

07-25-2008, 01:19 PM	#1468
Tyrith College Starter Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Houston, TX	Well, I wish it hadn't turned into a dogpile, because we're not going to learn anything -- the wolves have probably started feasting on their own. But I also don't think there is a productive way to make the vote broader, and I really like the EF lynch, so...I'm just going to sit here and wait to cast my vote later, just in the small chance something odd happens.

07-25-2008, 01:24 PM	#1471
Tyrith College Starter Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Houston, TX	Well, here's a question for you, KWhit - what are you guys going to do about Lathum's election today?

07-25-2008, 01:27 PM	#1472
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	Not trying to say too much here, but I think he'll probably get re-elected. And that should not be taken one way or another to indicate my level of trust for him (because frankly I just haven't decided about my trust level for him yet).

07-25-2008, 02:14 PM	#1475
illinifan999 Pro Rookie Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: VA	I opened the democratic thread, but since I always open these in multiple windows I was only able to see the thread title on my menubar. It was a complete accident, and I didn't see anything in the thread. Sorry! __________________ Chicago Eagles 2 time ZFL champions We're "rebuilding"

07-25-2008, 02:24 PM	#1476
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Will Lathum get re elected tonight.........

07-25-2008, 02:26 PM	#1477
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	I'll be submitting a bill shortly. Vote early. Vote often.

07-25-2008, 02:35 PM	#1478
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	Congressional Electoral Oversight Bill CONGRESSIONAL SPONSORSHIP: Mccollins and Chesapeake WHEREAS, allegations of tampering in prior elections have undermined the democratic process. BE IT RESOLVED: Additional oversight shall be provided to enable elections to proceed with full accountability. If a congressperson abuses his power to impact a fellow congressperson's election (positively or negatively), it will become immediately known to the rest of the Congress. The media will not be alerted (so there will be no popularity impact from the action). In addition, if a Congressperson uses his power to infuence his or her OWN election, this will not be made public to the Congress.

07-25-2008, 02:36 PM	#1479
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	VOTE YES TO Congressional Electoral Oversight Bill

07-25-2008, 02:37 PM	#1480
chesapeake College Starter Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Arlington, VA	VOTE YES TO Congressional Electoral Oversight Bill

07-25-2008, 02:39 PM	#1482
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	Bah.

07-25-2008, 02:49 PM	#1486
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	And as far as the bill was concerned, I racked my brain trying to come up with something relatively minor (but still useful) that would pass the supreme court, so hopefully it passes.

07-25-2008, 02:52 PM	#1487
illinifan999 Pro Rookie Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: VA	I'd like to see something that would give the doctor and BG PM rights. __________________ Chicago Eagles 2 time ZFL champions We're "rebuilding"

07-25-2008, 02:53 PM	#1488
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	I'm out for a while, but should be back on before deadline.

07-25-2008, 02:53 PM	#1489
illinifan999 Pro Rookie Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: VA	Whether that would pass the Supreme Court, I don't really know though. __________________ Chicago Eagles 2 time ZFL champions We're "rebuilding"

07-25-2008, 02:59 PM	#1490
henry296 College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Pittsburgh, PA	Illinifan, That would concern my from the supreeme court since the seer couldn't get PM rights. __________________ "It's a great day for hockey" - "Badger" Bob Johnson

07-25-2008, 03:04 PM	#1492
mccollins College Prospect Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Nicholasville, KY	Busy day at work while just leaving the quiet thread open on another computer. Just in case it might pass the court: VOTE YES TO Congressional Electoral Oversight Bill Additionally, I'll go ahead and put the lynch vote out there since I almost missed it last night: Vote to Lynch EagleFan

07-25-2008, 03:17 PM	#1493
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	VOTE YES CEO VOTE LYNCH EAGLEFAN

07-25-2008, 03:53 PM	#1494
Chubby Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Syracuse, NY	catching up

07-25-2008, 04:05 PM	#1498
henry296 College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Pittsburgh, PA	I've kept searching for a better option than EagleFan and can't find one although I have another good suspect but don't have enought evidence to get enough votes since I think there are enough votes to hang EagleFan already. With the vote switching penalty, it doesn't make sense. CENSURE EagleFan __________________ "It's a great day for hockey" - "Badger" Bob Johnson

07-25-2008, 04:14 PM	#1499
Chubby Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Syracuse, NY	Vote censure eaglefan I'm in agreement with others on this. Kinda sucked I was at work all day but oh well...

07-25-2008, 04:19 PM	#1500
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	Henry, the blind run on EF has me wondering a bit. Who is your alternative candidate? Also, has EF been around to provide any defense? I have to be honest, his play, only from what I've seen here obviously, doesn't really scream out anything different to me. Yeah, he voted for me, he does that every game regardless of the situation. I'm not sure I'm willing to go there yet but I'll read back through.

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