Survivor: New Helsing Tribal Thread

[Alan T]

well its 3 hours till deadline for this submission. I can either:

A) Not submit anything at all, and we're definitly losing but Oz won't.
B) Submit just a small part, and risk us losing and voting one of our own if no one else from Lupus or Howard decide to take it easy.
C) Just submit the best possible article and risk us beating Oz or oz even losing fully.


THe way I see it, its imperitive that Oz does not lose this challenge. its not horrible if they don't win or if we lose, but Oz can not finish last place.

Just like I proposed earlier, I say we go with a smaller entry and risk going to tribal council if we are beat by all three other teams. I'll then fully update it later after the contest so the work isn't wasted. It might risk us going to tribal council, but its better than Oz going.

Any objections to that, speak in the next 2 hours.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

Any particular reason you're dumping the Inside the Park paragraph from the current edition of the article?

I forgot to ever reply to this one, sorrry... But the info about Inside the Park is still in there, you might have missed it. Its in the section of other games (Season ticket baseball and Inside the park baseball)

[Barkeep49]

Please leave out the part about FOFC. It doesn't meet Wikipedia's guidelines.

[Passacaglia]

Alan, I say go with choice B.

[Alan T]

Ok, I just did a wikipedia crash course. (Never edited it before, and it has a different way of inputting the pages, doesn't take straight html.)

So spent about 20 min figuring it all out and transfering my html code to wikipedia code.

I'm only going to submit the side box, and the following areas:

Main, game play, other versions and external links.

Leaving out all of the new feature section for now. So really the main update is going to be the main section and game play sections. Not a whole lot change.

Hopefully this is enough to not finish last, but not beat Oz.

I get the impression Lupus is playing to try to win this, so we likely won't beat them, but staying ahead of Howard would be nice. Worst case is we go to tribal council and finish last, but at least its not Oz finishing last.

[Passacaglia]

Nice job, Alan -- even if we finish last, it would suck to go to tribal council, but at least there's nothing in our thread to worry about revealing.

[Alan T]

Ok, I posted the changes. Didn't include all of the meat, so just the base changes. I hope we don't end up last, but either way its up

[Lathum]

alan, I owe you an apology. I shouldn't have offered up our subject without asking you first since you did most of the work. I really just wanted to see what the other tribes reactions would be

[Alan T]

No, its fine with me... I guess my assumption with all of this, by us tanking for Oz was that they actually would do some of the work. I assumed they would realize how important this challenge was not only for them but for the entire group of survivors.

Bleh, how frustrating. Lupus probably will win and get to see Oz's info and we'll all be screwed.

[Lathum]

well if that is the case Alan, are you able to put the info back in that you took out so we can go balls out to try and win it?

[Alan T]

Well Oz got an extention.. I still think its best to try to see if they can keep from losing

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Lathum

well if that is the case Alan, are you able to put the info back in that you took out so we can go balls out to try and win it?

I think Alan is right on. I dunno if Howard and Lupus are just playing dumb, or if they're just daring us to take a dive ourselves, but even if they are, I still think taking a dive is our best option.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I think Alan is right on. I dunno if Howard and Lupus are just playing dumb, or if they're just daring us to take a dive ourselves, but even if they are, I still think taking a dive is our best option.

The answers Anxiety and Swaggs both made I am under the impression they are trying like mad to win. I'll be very curious to see who the wolf there is.

I have no idea about Howard at all.

[Passacaglia]

KWhit's post intrigues me -- perhaps the wolves already know who the seer is, anyway?

[Mr. Wednesday]

It basically comes down to the communication thing.

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by Alan T

I've brought that up a few times.. but thought my microphone was off

Alan you and I discussed it around post #1250 as well and never got anyone else to really chime in.

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

KWhit's post intrigues me -- perhaps the wolves already know who the seer is, anyway?

they most certanially could already know we've been working on a lot of assumptions on both sides with the suggested bid rigging and the seer ect.

if they do know then I would think they really want Oz to lose 1) so they can read their thread and 2) to get a known villager out even if it's not the seer it gives them a better chance to hit him later.

[SnDvls]

alan- very good job on the page

I read Lupus' submission and IMO we are going to win, not that we needed/wanted to, but Oz has yet to do a thing and Howard is already DQ'ed.

[Lathum]

at least we know we won't lose

[Grammaticus]

So, did Oz get a submission in?

[Grammaticus]

I checked the link to the FOF page in wiki and it is showing as last updated in January. It's looking like Oz did not get thier page updated. that sucks. I hope their is some kind of tie breaker for reading the losing teams thread. Maybe that is an outside chance Oz's thread stays private.

[Alan T]

Earlier on Barkeep said if two teams both were DQ'd, both teams would go to tribal council. I don't know as far as which the winning team could view, perhaps the winner gets a choice and if its us, we can choose Howard.

[Grammaticus]

Originally Posted by Alan T

Earlier on Barkeep said if two teams both were DQ'd, both teams would go to tribal council. I don't know as far as which the winning team could view, perhaps the winner gets a choice and if its us, we can choose Howard.

That is a good idea (choosing Howard). I hope that is the case and we can suggest the same thing to Lupus. Do you want to go ahead and post that in the main thread?

[Grammaticus]

What do you make of Kwhit and Swaggs taking the whole "we would rather win than protect Oz and the seer" approach?

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Grammaticus

What do you make of Kwhit and Swaggs taking the whole "we would rather win than protect Oz and the seer" approach?

It was all of Lupus with that approach. Anxiety, kwhit and Swaggs all showed no signs of backing down. So evidentally they discussed as a group and decided they had done enough to protect Oz.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Alan T

It was all of Lupus with that approach. Anxiety, kwhit and Swaggs all showed no signs of backing down. So evidentally they discussed as a group and decided they had done enough to protect Oz.

I think they're daring us to do it. We seem to be taking the lead as far as directives here -- the fact that another tribe is suggesting that they take a dive is probably disconcerting to them. Possibly, the idea also reminds them of Blade, who started such talk, and who they got rid of? Man...makes you wonder, if they really DID pass those idols in the first place, and Blade never lied about it, where we would be now.

[SnDvls]

I just want to say it's nice to have such an active team

[Grammaticus]

I don't know how it will happen when we merge. But I imagine that we will be told we merged and immediately not be able to post in our tribal thread.

So, with that in mind, are you all interested in moving into any merge scenario as a voting alliance?

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Grammaticus

I don't know how it will happen when we merge. But I imagine that we will be told we merged and immediately not be able to post in our tribal thread.

So, with that in mind, are you all interested in moving into any merge scenario as a voting alliance?

I am, I think the wolf in our tribe should step forward.

[SnDvls]

I agree we need to stick together for as long as we can...and ditto what Lathum said...step forward so we can get you out of here.

[Passacaglia]

I'm up for a voting alliance, too.

[Lathum]

sooo, who's the wolf?

[Barkeep49]

Congrats on another win. Please note that you may only LOOK, and not post, in the temporary tribal thread. You may neither look nor post in the regular thread. So no throwing of the challenge was necessary. The original wording of the challenge was "The tribal council and their tribal thread for the day". In this case you get two threads.

[Grammaticus]

Good job guys! The temp threads limits knowledge we can gain, but also fixes our outing the seer concern. I think that is definately a good trade off.

[Alan T]

So just for clarification, we can look in both temporary tribal threads correct?

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Congrats on another win. Please note that you may only LOOK, and not post, in the temporary tribal thread. You may neither look nor post in the regular thread. So no throwing of the challenge was necessary. The original wording of the challenge was "The tribal council and their tribal thread for the day". In this case you get two threads.

I may be because I just woke up but this is confusing as all hell

[Lathum]

so we CAN'T look in their thread?

[Lathum]

dola- I didn't so no worries

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I may be because I just woke up but this is confusing as all hell

It was confusing for me too. I think its because he didn't go to sleep till late!

I think what he was saying is we can't look in their regular threads but are allowed to look in both temporary threads. We aren't allowed to post in either of those though.

So I'm not sure if Oz/Howard were told what we were, I figured I would mention it to them in the main thread. However on an unrelated note, do you all think we should make a pact to not look in the Oz thread today, and anyone who does is going against that pact?

[Passacaglia]

Alan, I forgot you propose that we don't look in Oz. I haven't looked in there, but even though it's only a temporary thread, I still think it's a good idea. Since we can't even post in it, it's not like we can help them out or anything (which would be nice, since they need it -- why can't the other tribes be the well-oiled machine that ours is?). Also, good job to everyone on the wiki entry!

[SnDvls]

Kodos to Alan and the crew for the writeup.

I honestly don't see a problem w/ looking at the temp threads as if they are smart they woundn't post anything in there, but if that's the agreement no biggie to me either.

[Lathum]

I am cool with giving oz their privacy.

I also think we should begin discussing an alliance once we merge. If we are 5-6 strong with one wolf that gives us great odds to still nail a wolf. My only concern would be killing the seer but Would rather have an alliance. IT seems a waste to let all the great teamwork go to waste once we merge.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by SnDvls

Kodos to Alan and the crew for the writeup.

I honestly don't see a problem w/ looking at the temp threads as if they are smart they woundn't post anything in there, but if that's the agreement no biggie to me either.

Well if the seer found out another wolf, they ideally would want to let howard know who to vote off or Lupus without everyone knowing who the seer was. So if they had the privacy of a closed thread to talk about it, someone in Oz could pass the word along.

[Lathum]

So this is probably obvious, but once we merge assuming we still have the numbers we should create an alliance with Oz and pick off the remaining Howard and Lupus members. That would leave us with one wolf only. Of course the downside to that is the wolves will be night killing us.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Lathum

So this is probably obvious, but once we merge assuming we still have the numbers we should create an alliance with Oz and pick off the remaining Howard and Lupus members. That would leave us with one wolf only. Of course the downside to that is the wolves will be night killing us.

I am a little frustrated with Oz right now thanks to this weekend. If all of the wolves are gone by the time we merge, then I don't see alot of use for Oz at that point if they aren't going to even try in a contest that was handed to them.

If there are still wolves around, then yes I agree that we should probably team up with Oz (if for no other reason to protect the seer longer).

[Alan T]

Here is today's challenge:

30 library patrons in the Youth Services section of a library were asked: Which is the best Harry Potter book? (6 answers)

40 fourth graders were asked: What is your favorite food? (5 answers)

20 teachers were asked: Which movie will win best picture? (5 answers)

20 poker players were asked: Who is the best poker player? (4 answers)

30 adults (combination of library patrons and teachers) were asked: What time do you get up in the morning (to the nearest half hour)? (6 answers)

So we don't have to find the "best" answer, but instead the most popular answer. Like the I'm with stupid games.

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by Alan T

Well if the seer found out another wolf, they ideally would want to let howard know who to vote off or Lupus without everyone knowing who the seer was. So if they had the privacy of a closed thread to talk about it, someone in Oz could pass the word along.

ahh I had not thought of that.

[Passacaglia]

My thinking is pizza for the food, 6 or 6:30 for wake-up time.

[Passacaglia]

Why won't Howard post anything? I want to snoop!

This makes the challenge a little more interesting -- we can see what they're thinking about some of these answers.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

My thinking is pizza for the food, 6 or 6:30 for wake-up time.

I agree about pizza. For wakeup time I think 6:30 is perfect. My S.O. is a teacher and other than mornings when she had early before school meetings, she woke up at 6:30.

As for the other questions.. I don't really know much about Harry Potter, or poker players. For best movies, I could make a guess, but this is from the viewpoint of a teacher, so not sure if that changes things some.