College Football Official Week 4 Thread

[tarcone]

Thanks.

And football doesnt need another controversy right now.

[tarcone]

I just saw a replay of the Tenn. player taking a dive and the Florida player being ejected. Where was instant replay on that?

[Edward64]

Got to give A&M run defense big kudos for stopping Arkansas. Pretty impressive goal line defense.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by tarcone

I just saw a replay of the Tenn. player taking a dive and the Florida player being ejected. Where was instant replay on that?

I don't think that's reviewable.

Replay can be used to lessen the anticipated upcoming suspension in the next game, but since that wasn't targeting related I don't think it's under the replay reviewables.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Same opponent plays West Virginia next season.

As to why?

-- They fell on the schedule between UGA and LSU.

-- They had 65,211 in attendance for a virtually impossible to lose game. That's almost precisely their average attendance for last season (65,120).
In some cases people come to see the home team, not the opponent.

-- They rebuilt the confidence (maybe) of a team that had to be down after a tough loss, had a chance to play their backups (and could have played them more in a different scenario coming in)

To add to why P5 schools are playing schools like Delaware State; WVU stated two years ago they'd no longer schedule FCS teams and other schools have attempted to follow suit. This, along with just the nature of business, has created a system where the G5 schools are asking for incredible amounts of money for paycheck games. With the amount that was being asked by some schools WVU said "fuck it" and added Delaware State to the schedule.

Over the next 4 years WVU plays VPI, East Carolina, Tennessee, NC State X2, and Missouri so it's not like WVU is avoiding competition. It's just becoming a better financial decision to play a FCS school if the rest of your schedule allows it.

[tarcone]

That is interesting. And opens a can of worms. Can you imagine guys starting to take dives to get rid of the other teams best player?

[tarcone]

Originally Posted by Atocep

To add to why P5 schools are playing schools like Delaware State; WVU stated two years ago they'd no longer schedule FCS teams and other schools have attempted to follow suit. This, along with just the nature of business, has created a system where the G5 schools are asking for incredible amounts of money for paycheck games. With the amount that was being asked by some schools WVU said "fuck it" and added Delaware State to the schedule.

Over the next 4 years WVU plays VPI, East Carolina, Tennessee, NC State X2, and Missouri so it's not like WVU is avoiding competition. It's just becoming a better financial decision to play a FCS school if the rest of your schedule allows it.

B1G teams are not allowed to schedule FCS anymore, either. Iowa does have UNI one more time in a couple years, but that was grandfathered in.

[digamma]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

I don't think that's reviewable.

Replay can be used to lessen the anticipated upcoming suspension in the next game, but since that wasn't targeting related I don't think it's under the replay reviewables.

I think this is correct. I also learned tonight that replay can be used to review and call a targeting penalty if one wasn't called on the field. There was a review in the UCLA game, though they determined the no penalty call was correct. I didn't know it was reviewable.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by MacroGuru

If WV forces us to score a lot of points, it's going to be a blow out, like the 40-10 kind, we just don't have the offense for it. If we can control the tempo, it's going to be a low scoring game, we might steal this one. We have been in a position to steal Utah and UCLA (Not really, I don't like leaving it to an onsides kick)

I think it's going to be fun.

Great game

BYU's running game pounded us probably worse than anyone since Oklahoma 2 years ago. The Oline and D-line both struggled with your size and strength up front while your secondary and linebackers seemed to struggle with WVU's speed.

It was an interesting matchup of strength vs weakness and a really fun game.

[Edward64]

Arkansas just went up 17-10 over A&M but its been a torturous 2Q. Good, solid game so far.

[Julio Riddols]

Lamar Jackson playing terrible against Marshall, but still has 330 yards passing and has accounted for all 6 Louisville TDs.. But Marshall is providing the blueprint for more talented defenses to try and stop him.

Doing that for a whole game.. That's gonna be tough.

[tarcone]

UCLA/Stanford going down to the wire.

[tarcone]

And Stanford is going to pull it out. Crazy.

[CrescentMoonie]

Stanford scored more in the final :30 than they did the first 59:30.

[Suicane75]

The gamblers orgasm.

[MrBug708]

Fucking mora and fucking Shaw

[MrBug708]

Mora is a clown

[tarcone]

I feel your pain. Really I do. At least you have a chance of dumping your coach.

[TroyF]

Originally Posted by digamma

I think this is correct. I also learned tonight that replay can be used to review and call a targeting penalty if one wasn't called on the field. There was a review in the UCLA game, though they determined the no penalty call was correct. I didn't know it was reviewable.

And they screwed that review up horribly. I've seen this happen twice this year. Texas vs Notre Dame and now this one. Both times the booth made a HORRIBLE decision to not call targeting.

If they don't have the guts to overrule the refs on the field and make the obvious call, there shouldn't be a review in those situations.

[Edward64]

Man, A&M stuffed us again at the goal line. This is a really entertaining game and win-or-lose, I think the Razorbacks have proven that top 20 wasn't a fluke.

[MrBug708]

Originally Posted by TroyF

And they screwed that review up horribly. I've seen this happen twice this year. Texas vs Notre Dame and now this one. Both times the booth made a HORRIBLE decision to not call targeting.

If they don't have the guts to overrule the refs on the field and make the obvious call, there shouldn't be a review in those situations.

It wasn't targeting by definition because he wasn't a defenseless player.

[TroyF]

Originally Posted by MrBug708

It wasn't targeting by definition because he wasn't a defenseless player.

Garbage. And that isn't what the official rules analyst said either. It was a horrible, cheap shot and the guy should have been ejected.

Again, either take player safety seriously, or don't. But don't give me this crap that you care about it (NFL OR College) and then allow the player who makes that hit to stay and finish the game. I see a player get ejected today because another player acted like he was knocked out cold from an open touch to the chest and then I see a guy make that hit and stay in the game? Ugh. Just ugh.

[MrBug708]

Originally Posted by TroyF

Garbage. And that isn't what the official rules analyst said either. It was a horrible, cheap shot and the guy should have been ejected.

Again, either take player safety seriously, or don't. But don't give me this crap that you care about it (NFL OR College) and then allow the player who makes that hit to stay and finish the game. I see a player get ejected today because another player acted like he was knocked out cold from an open touch to the chest and then I see a guy make that hit and stay in the game? Ugh. Just ugh.

He also didn't lead with the crown of his helmet either but his face mask. It wsn't a cheap shot as it was in the open field and chasing him down, but I agree that he should have been ejected. I also saw the Stanford QB lead with his head and destroy our DB and nothing happened. It's just the PAC-12 refs being terrible.

[jbergey22]

Is Mason Rudolph the most overrated QB in the country? Not sure what the hype is with him. He lacks accuracy, he has a very slow release, and he lacks anticipation. If it wasnt for one of the best(if not the best) receiver in the nation on his team he would be on the sidelines. He was taking sacks at the end of the game with a 3 man rush and 10 seconds to throw. All Baylor did was double his main weapon and play a cover 2 deep the entire game and Rudolph was completely lost. You would think check down options would be there 10 yards at a pop whenever he wanted.

Supposedly has this cannon arm but a cannon arm isnt going to do much for him at the next level if he will only throw to a player wide open. Seems to lack the sense of when a player is breaking open or who should be open when looking at a defense.

[MrBug708]

I'd say Josh Rosen is. Not because he's been horrible, but because he's not quite looking like he's the #1 pick in 2018, even though he probably will

[Kodos]

Originally Posted by Julio Riddols

Lagow threw this one away, eh Kodos? Wondering why Indiana didn't try to run more.

Horrid game. That one drive where we gave Wake 50 yards in penalty yardage was particularly painful. I was hoping Wilson would insert Diamont around pick number 4.

[Edward64]

Tough latter part of 3Q & 4Q for us. I'm not going to complain, A&M was definitely the better team. When they stopped us twice at the goal line, it really shifted momentum and hurt our confidence. It showed after that.

[TroyF]

Originally Posted by jbergey22

Is Mason Rudolph the most overrated QB in the country? Not sure what the hype is with him. He lacks accuracy, he has a very slow release, and he lacks anticipation. If it wasnt for one of the best(if not the best) receiver in the nation on his team he would be on the sidelines. He was taking sacks at the end of the game with a 3 man rush and 10 seconds to throw. All Baylor did was double his main weapon and play a cover 2 deep the entire game and Rudolph was completely lost. You would think check down options would be there 10 yards at a pop whenever he wanted.

Supposedly has this cannon arm but a cannon arm isnt going to do much for him at the next level if he will only throw to a player wide open. Seems to lack the sense of when a player is breaking open or who should be open when looking at a defense.

He's confounding. One week he looks like the second coming of Carson Palmer. Perfect mechanics, nice release, great accuracy on the deep ball. The next week he looks like he's never seen a college defense before.

Beyond Rudolphs struggles, I was shocked at how horrible the game plan was. Ok, they are using TWO people and sometimes THREE people to take your best player away. You don't have to have a ton of strategic knowledge to know that is going to leave other huge holes in the defense. Instead. . . the gameplan seemed to be - Run to the outside as much as possible and drop back with Washington as the main target and then panic when he's covered.

The secondary was also just horrible. Baylor has the ball on the 1 yard line in a second and long situation. You think maybe they might try a double move up the sideline? How on Earth do you bite on that? A really, really poor effort from OK State. As for Rudolph, I agree 100% with the overrated tag you gave him. I keep seeing first or second round pick and I just laugh.

[tarcone]

Speaking of QBs. Over on a fan site there is a discussion about how returning senior QBs regress during their senior years. And they all do. They play scared. Afraid to make a mistake. Its almost as if the coaching staff neuters them.

CJ Beathard is a gunslinger. Rocket arm., Fearless. Not anymore. And there are several QBs that fit into this category.

And Jake Rudock is brought up. Played terrible his 2nd year starting at Iowa. Then transfers to UM and plays very well.

[TroyF]

Originally Posted by MrBug708

I'd say Josh Rosen is. Not because he's been horrible, but because he's not quite looking like he's the #1 pick in 2018, even though he probably will

Rosen is confounding as well. You can tell everything is there. The guy LOOKS like a great QB looks. He puts up decent stats most games, yet there is an empty feeling afterward because despite how he looks and how the stats play out there is something missing.

I told my Dad that after we went to the UCLA/CU game last year. I thought he was young and would get better. I'm still feeling that way this year. Maybe another year?

[MrBug708]

I think he still is trying to do everything because he thinks he can make every throw. No one can make every throw every time. His WR are terrible this year, two of his INTs are because the WR let it bounce off their hands with no one near them. A 4th year wouldn't be bad but it won't happen

[JonInMiddleGA]

Random observation my son offered from the student section of yesterday's UGA - Ole Miss game.

"Eason looks like a Pac-12 quarterback playing in the SEC"

Take that for what it's worth, but after kinda winding the idea around in my head I think it's not a bad assessment of him.

[dawgfan]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Random observation my son offered from the student section of yesterday's UGA - Ole Miss game.

"Eason looks like a Pac-12 quarterback playing in the SEC"

Take that for what it's worth, but after kinda winding the idea around in my head I think it's not a bad assessment of him.

I think the fair assessment of Eason is that he's a true freshman and he didn't get a lot of help from his receivers.

[General Mike]

According to Twitter, Les Miles and Cam Cameron are out at LSU

Ross Dellenger on Twitter: "BREAKING: Multiple sources confirm to The Advocate that #LSU has fired football coach Les Miles and offensive coordinator Cam Cameron."

Ross Dellenger on Twitter: "More news: #LSU D-line coach Ed Orgeron is being offered the position as interim coach for the Tigers.

Player meeting at 5 p.m."

[General Mike]

Ron Turner was also fired by Florida International today.

[Chief Rum]

Orgeron sure finds ways to back himself into good situations.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by dawgfan

I think the fair assessment of Eason is that he's a true freshman and he didn't get a lot of help from his receivers.

Hey, I've been talking some Dawg fans off the ledge about him for some 24 hours now. The best thing about freshmen QBs is that they eventually become sophomores. I think he'll eventually reach the point that his performance is at worst tolerable to the fan base.

I'd still be inclined to argue -- given the shortage of capable receivers he has to work with right now -- that the gameplan is more to blame for his results yesterday than his skill set ... but I do agree that he does not look like a typical SEC quarterback nor do I believe he ever will.

[tarcone]

I would love to Les Miles as OC at Iowa.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by tarcone

I would love to Les Miles as OC at Iowa.

Les Miles is never going to be a coordinator again.

[tarcone]

A man can dream. Please dont pee on my cheerios.

[dawgfan]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

... but I do agree that he does not look like a typical SEC quarterback nor do I believe he ever will.

I dunno what a "typical" SEC QB looks like, but then again I'm not sure what a typical Pac-12 QB looks like either. We have guys ranging from Brandon Dawkins and Manny Wilkins to Dakota Prukop and Sam Darnold to Jake Browning and Luke Falk to Josh Rosen and Davis Webb.

Pretty much runs the gamut in this conference.

[CU Tiger]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Hey, I've been talking some Dawg fans off the ledge about him for some 24 hours now. The best thing about freshmen QBs is that they eventually become sophomores. I think he'll eventually reach the point that his performance is at worst tolerable to the fan base.

I'd still be inclined to argue -- given the shortage of capable receivers he has to work with right now -- that the gameplan is more to blame for his results yesterday than his skill set ... but I do agree that he does not look like a typical SEC quarterback nor do I believe he ever will.

That's a really confusing statement. I mean I didn't think Eason was clearly the best QB in the conference. Even the biggest SEC homer has to abmit QB is the one position they are vastly inferior to, well...just about every league.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by tarcone

A man can dream. Please dont pee on my cheerios.

All right. Les Miles will never be Wisconsin's OC.

[Chief Rum]

Don't you guys understand? SEC QBs are clutch gamers, hard as nails. Those softies from out west could never take the heat in the SEC!

[panerd]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Don't you guys understand? SEC QBs are clutch gamers, hard as nails. Those softies from out west could never take the heat in the SEC!

He is from Washington state. Maybe it wasn't an insult but an observation?

[cuervo72]

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[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by panerd

He is from Washington state. Maybe it wasn't an insult but an observation?

I actually thought this was obvious ... apparently not.
(yeah, silly me, by now I shoulda known better)

It was strictly a gut impression, a "what he brings to mind" thing. He just looks -- physically & at times in his play, the limited amount we've seen thus far -- like one of the random guys we see flinging it around around midnight while channel surfing, not a guy we watch in the 330pm game of the week. Some of that is very likely just his relatively newness, not much opportunity to pick up a lot of nuance. It's not a knock, it's just a ... visceral reaction. I hadn't thought about it much until he mentioned it to me, and then I thought "yeah, that IS kind of the vibe, now that you bring it up".

God forbid that somebody say anything here that the hypersensitivity crowd can get their panties wadded up over. Feel free to lighten up Francis, as needed.

edit to add: and, as was pointed out, not looking like an SEC quarterback isn't exactly a tremendous insult.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by CU Tiger

That's a really confusing statement. I mean I didn't think Eason was clearly the best QB in the conference. Even the biggest SEC homer has to abmit QB is the one position they are vastly inferior to, well...just about every league.

On the first part (re: perception of Eason), a lot of Georgia people did think that. That only maybe a certain guy they got a heavy dose of yesterday was even worth mentioning in the same breath. They really thought that, once he replaced Lambert, the promised land surely awaited. Suddenly, at least winning the East as a stepping stone seemed a lot less of a sure thing.

The harsh realities of their weakness at OL and WR hit them hard yesterday, not to mention bringing back some queasiness in some quarters about the hiring of a defense-oriented coach.

The second part of that, well, I explained that in the post just prior

[jbergey22]

So SEC QBS have more charisma and Star Quality? Or more heavily recruited? LOL, I guess I think I understand what you mean but doesnt the prestige of the team the QB plays for give him that particular "look'? Andrew Luck looked pretty damn SEC like when he played for Stanford.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by jbergey22

So SEC QBS have more charisma and Star Quality? Or more heavily recruited? LOL, I guess I think I understand what you mean but doesnt the prestige of the team the QB plays for give him that particular "look'? Andrew Luck looked pretty damn SEC like when he played for Stanford.

I really did mean more of a physical impression than anything, not so much performance or entirely play style.

Think of it like this maybe, if you took a single snapshot of the guy standing on the field looking to the sideline for the next play while his receivers jogged back from downfield after an incompletion, made the uniform unidentifiable, then forced us to guess where it was taken ... we'd have both said "somewhere in the Pac 12".

It's just ... visceral, not analytical