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korme · 04-09-2012, 11:47 PM

well, we're dancing around an impasse

jbergey22 · 04-09-2012, 11:51 PM

I think we have an overly positive outlook on this if we really think we can find 30 owners that will stay interested with fictional players. Personally I would love this however in this last RWBL it seemed that once the current players started retiring people suddenly wanted to drop their teams.

I think realistically the options are as korme mentioned opening day 2012 or possibly starting in like 1992 and simming 20 years ahead with real life draft classes for something different.

MrBug708 · 04-09-2012, 11:56 PM

All the more reason to start with fictional players.

korme · 04-09-2012, 11:58 PM

I prefer fiction as well, just figured more people would rather play with real players.

I like fiction because it's easy to get caught up in the name of a player and misvalue him.

jbergey22 · 04-10-2012, 12:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrBug708

All the more reason to start with fictional players.

Good point.

Vince, Pt. II · 04-10-2012, 01:59 AM

Count me in the fictional line. We'd also eliminate the contention of multiple people wanting to run the same team.

Edit: If we go fictional, do we want people to pick a city/name first and then sim it out? Or pick teams (draft style) after the sim is done? How fluid/easy/tied to financials are the locations of the franchises in a mature league?

MrBug708 · 04-10-2012, 10:25 AM

I would keep it MLB cities, but possibly randomize the markets or set them all as equal? By letting teams pick their cities, when they leave, you have a team at a city that has no interest, unless you let the new owner "move" the team

bhlloy · 04-10-2012, 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrBug708

I would keep it MLB cities, but possibly randomize the markets or set them all as equal? By letting teams pick their cities, when they leave, you have a team at a city that has no interest, unless you let the new owner "move" the team

Yeah this is my big problem with fictional. Somebody chooses their initial team to be the bumfuck (WY) chickadoos LOLZ and makes their logo a giant chicken giving you the finger, and then leaves 3 months later. No way you are ever going to get someone else to take that team and the league becomes a joke

If we limit to cities of a certain size and have some good taste sanity checks with the naming, that is major gripe with fictional out of the way. Don't have to limit to MLB cities only, but there should definitely be a minimum market size and only 2 teams per metro area maybe

DanGarion · 04-10-2012, 10:42 AM

Ugh. Whatever ends up happening you guys can have the domain. We are making it too difficult. I wanted to start in whatever year with a clean slate and random real players going forward. That doesn't appear to be an option and is we have 15 people making suggestions nothing will ever be right for them all.

DanGarion · 04-10-2012, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by bhlloy

Yeah this is my big problem with fictional. Somebody chooses their initial team to be the bumfuck (WY) chickadoos LOLZ and makes their logo a giant chicken giving you the finger, and then leaves 3 months later. No way you are ever going to get someone else to take that team and the league becomes a joke

If we limit to cities of a certain size and have some good taste sanity checks with the naming, that is major gripe with fictional out of the way. Don't have to limit to MLB cities only, but there should definitely be a minimum market size and only 2 teams per metro area maybe

You can always have a group that determines if the names and locations are acceptable to the league, that's easy to resolve. Plus a new owner would always be given the option to move and change their team name during the next offseason.

chesapeake · 04-10-2012, 10:44 AM

Looks like I'm late to the party, but I'd like to join if there is room for me. Historical or fictional doesn't matter to me. The team doesn't matter much, either. If it is a historical league, I'd prefer the Mariners or Nats in that order if they are available, but I am wedded to neither.

PurdueBrad · 04-10-2012, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by DanGarion

Ugh. Whatever ends up happening you guys can have the domain. We are making it too difficult. I wanted to start in whatever year with a clean slate and random real players going forward. That doesn't appear to be an option and is we have 15 people making suggestions nothing will ever be right for them all.

+1

I'm open to any style but greatly prefer exactly what DanGarion has posted here.

I'm wondering if we're overthinking this and, honestly, need to consider breaking into two different leagues.

spleen1015 · 04-10-2012, 10:52 AM

We're getting close to 35-40 people now as it is. Maybe 2 leagues is the best idea, fictional players vs real players.

I agree with the sentiment that there are too many ideas flying around. Of course, I say this after I give an idea.

Anyway, whoever is commishing, make a decision and let's get this party started.

bhlloy · 04-10-2012, 10:53 AM

Alright, I'll stop posting then. Sounded like we were heading towards fictional. I still prefer a real life start, but down for whatever

MrBug708 · 04-10-2012, 10:54 AM

Why not a forty team league?

cougarfreak · 04-10-2012, 11:27 AM

I'm good w/anything going forward. I just want a group of dedicated owners.

stevew · 04-10-2012, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

Why not a forty team league?

Do we have some dedicated people who can design logos? Lemme monkey around with this setup. If it ends up where a ton of people can have fun, I'm all for that. There's no reason why there can't be 3-4 LA and NY based teams.

spleen1015 · 04-10-2012, 11:47 AM

I don't think we'll have any issues finding suitable logos. There are 1000s of them available over in the mods section in OOTPland.

If we go fictional, I would like to use my Indianapolis 500s unis/logos.

DanGarion · 04-10-2012, 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spleen1015

I don't think we'll have any issues finding suitable logos. There are 1000s of them available over in the mods section in OOTPland.

If we go fictional, I would like to use my Indianapolis 500s unis/logos.

That hat is ugly!

spleen1015 · 04-10-2012, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DanGarion

That hat is ugly!

I love that hat.

Recoil · 04-10-2012, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by spleen1015

Maybe 2 leagues is the best idea, fictional players vs real players.

It certainly looks like the best idea to me.

MrBug708 · 04-10-2012, 12:43 PM

Two leagues, fictional vs non fictional with a real WS between the two!

lungs · 04-10-2012, 12:50 PM

I'd have to see how the fictional league would be setup before I'd join. I like fictional for solo play but am not sure about it for MP.

Like I said, I thought the real rosters were so good this year that I'm much more interested in a real roster league.

Vince, Pt. II · 04-10-2012, 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrBug708

Two leagues, fictional vs non fictional with a real WS between the two!

This would be awesome.

Big Fo · 04-10-2012, 01:52 PM

Real 2012 setup, scouting/coaching off, tone down player creation modifiers so the first draft doesn't have a million great prospects compared to the more modestly rated real players, I also like toning down "talent change randomness: to 60-70. I'll do any type of league really but that would be my preference, that is how I think the game works best in single-player.

IMO: Real 2012 MLB >>> random historical debut league >>>>>>>>>> pure fictional

RomaGoth · 04-10-2012, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Fo

Real 2012 setup, scouting/coaching off, tone down player creation modifiers so the first draft doesn't have a million great prospects compared to the more modestly rated real players, I also like toning down "talent change randomness: to 60-70. I'll do any type of league really but that would be my preference, that is how I think the game works best in single-player.

Slightly off topic, but where do I find the controls to all of these options you are referencing?

Big Fo · 04-10-2012, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by RomaGoth

Slightly off topic, but where do I find the controls to all of these options you are referencing?

Scouting/Coaching: League Options (the 2nd little wrench on the right side toolbar) -> Global Setup, top left corner

Player Creation Modifiers: League Options -> Strategy, left side column

Talent Change Randomness: League Options -> Player and Picture Options, top left corner

Chubby · 04-10-2012, 03:47 PM

1 league random historical!!! (my $0.02)

out of the 2

fantom1979 · 04-10-2012, 11:47 PM

I think you guys just need 1 or 3 people to be a commish and set up a league. Anyone that is interested will join. League creation by committee seems to be a recipe for disaster.

jbergey22 · 04-11-2012, 02:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fantom1979

I think you guys just need 1 or 3 people to be a commish and set up a league. Anyone that is interested will join. League creation by committee seems to be a recipe for disaster.

+1.

SirFozzie · 04-11-2012, 03:31 AM

Good point:

For those interested in a historical random debut league:

(signup/Interest) OOTP 13 "Random Debut" Historical League - Front Office Football Central

Icy · 04-11-2012, 04:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fantom1979

I think you guys just need 1 or 3 people to be a commish and set up a league. Anyone that is interested will join. League creation by committee seems to be a recipe for disaster.

Exactly, at this point i think the best thing to do is what SirFozzie did already, somebody volunteer to be commish (that is imho the key of any league as to be commish requires time and effort), decide what kind of league it is going to be, setup rules, rosters etc and then let the rest decide if that league fits them or not.

stevew · 04-11-2012, 04:13 PM

All interested people in a 2012 opening day MLB league please submit a list of 3-5 teams that you are interested in, along with your FOFC Username to [email protected]. We will do the best that we can in order to place people with the teams that they prefer. People who have previously played in an RWBL/JBL league will be given some preferential treatment for signup.

As of now, Bug and I will be co-commissioning the league, and I suspect that we will be joined by a few others who can help in capacities as needed.

Requirements-You will need a Facebook account in order to participate in this league, as we will be using that as the primary form of communication in the league. There will also be Game generated HTML and statslab online for the league, assuming i can get statslab working.

We will attempt to place all interested parties on either a team, a waiting list or as a future expansion team(if necessary). Unfortunately the supply of available slots may exceed the amount of interested parties.

Coaches and scouts will be used in this league. Opening day 2012 rosters will be used. Other rules and such will be fleshed out. I'd prefer to be able to examine the game for a little bit of time before rushing out and starting the league and running into an "oh shit" situation that could have been avoided.

SackAttack · 04-11-2012, 04:17 PM

Sent. I, uh, presume you fellas are sharp enough to intuit 'SackAttack' from 'Sack'.

MrBug708 · 04-11-2012, 04:20 PM

Ya. Kinda surprised you wanted the Giants and Angels as 1-2

SackAttack · 04-11-2012, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

Ya. Kinda surprised you wanted the Giants and Angels as 1-2

It would kill Vince, metaphorically, if I destroyed Lincecum and Posey, so why not?

Big Fo · 04-11-2012, 05:13 PM

I guess I'll have to finally sign up for Facebook.

Chubby · 04-11-2012, 05:28 PM

CleBrownsfan · 04-11-2012, 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Fo

I guess I'll have to finally sign up for Facebook.

Me too

cougarfreak · 04-11-2012, 06:09 PM

Well, crap, I've never played the game w/scouts. Good luck with the league.

MrBug708 · 04-11-2012, 06:15 PM

Scouts make is more interesting IMO

Swaggs · 04-11-2012, 08:27 PM

What is the ETA on the start up time?

SirFozzie · 04-11-2012, 08:44 PM

Justva heads up.. we have nine owners for the random debut league.. we need at least three more owners.. butccould take more

stevew · 04-11-2012, 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swaggs

What is the ETA on the start up time?

Need to see what is up with the game, bug wise. Last time there were issues with patches/everyone needing to be on the same version/multiple league people. Something like the 23rd if everything goes great.

Icy · 04-12-2012, 04:09 AM

I'll join this real MLB 2012 one, have no interest on the random debut league as I don't know baseball history enough to properly enjoy it.

Vince, Pt. II · 04-12-2012, 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Icy

I'll join this real MLB 2012 one, have no interest on the random debut league as I don't know baseball history enough to properly enjoy it.

Half the fun is learning the guys you don't know!

MrBug708 · 04-12-2012, 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Icy

I'll join this real MLB 2012 one, have no interest on the random debut league as I don't know baseball history enough to properly enjoy it.

Yay!

Comey · 04-12-2012, 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrBug708

Why not a forty team league?

I'm preparing a 64-104 team online league. It can be done. It's tough, but it can be done.

PurdueBrad · 04-12-2012, 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vince, Pt. II

Half the fun is learning the guys you don't know!

Yeah, I have to admit (and in some ways, this is a plug for Sir Fozzie's league) that I thought I knew baseball history well and I've realized there are some big gaps BUT that being said, I've really enjoyed discovering 'new' ballplayers. So I definitely encourage people to consider signing up.

In my solo league, my pitching staff right now is Steve Avery, 19 y/o Babe Ruth, Chuck Finley, Clay Bucholz, and Norwood Gibson. It's a cool mix to enjoy. In my other solo league, the top of my rotation is Rube Waddell and Randy Johnson. I think seeing the mix of players is a big part of the fun as well.

stevew · 04-12-2012, 10:49 AM

Just an update, there are almost enough sign ups to fill the league. I only have a few slots left.

04-10-2012, 01:59 AM	#106
Vince, Pt. II Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Somewhere More Familiar	Count me in the fictional line. We'd also eliminate the contention of multiple people wanting to run the same team. Edit: If we go fictional, do we want people to pick a city/name first and then sim it out? Or pick teams (draft style) after the sim is done? How fluid/easy/tied to financials are the locations of the franchises in a mature league? Last edited by Vince, Pt. II : 04-10-2012 at 02:00 AM.

04-10-2012, 10:42 AM	#109
DanGarion Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: The Great Northwest	Ugh. Whatever ends up happening you guys can have the domain. We are making it too difficult. I wanted to start in whatever year with a clean slate and random real players going forward. That doesn't appear to be an option and is we have 15 people making suggestions nothing will ever be right for them all. __________________ Los Angeles Dodgers Check out the FOFC Groups on Facebook! and Reddit! DON'T REPORT ME BRO!

04-10-2012, 10:54 AM	#115
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Why not a forty team league? Last edited by MrBug708 : 04-10-2012 at 10:54 AM.

04-10-2012, 11:27 AM	#116
cougarfreak College Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Out of Grad School Hell :)	I'm good w/anything going forward. I just want a group of dedicated owners. __________________ “I don’t like the Cubs,” Joey Votto said. “And I’m not going to pat anybody with a Cubs uniform on the back."

04-10-2012, 03:47 PM	#128
Chubby Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Syracuse, NY	1 league random historical!!! (my $0.02) out of the 2 Last edited by Chubby : 04-10-2012 at 03:47 PM.

04-09-2012, 11:47 PM	#101
korme Go Reds Join Date: May 2001 Location: Bloodbuzz Ohio	well, we're dancing around an impasse

04-09-2012, 11:51 PM	#102
jbergey22 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Minnesota	I think we have an overly positive outlook on this if we really think we can find 30 owners that will stay interested with fictional players. Personally I would love this however in this last RWBL it seemed that once the current players started retiring people suddenly wanted to drop their teams. I think realistically the options are as korme mentioned opening day 2012 or possibly starting in like 1992 and simming 20 years ahead with real life draft classes for something different.

04-09-2012, 11:56 PM	#103
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	All the more reason to start with fictional players.

04-09-2012, 11:58 PM	#104
korme Go Reds Join Date: May 2001 Location: Bloodbuzz Ohio	I prefer fiction as well, just figured more people would rather play with real players. I like fiction because it's easy to get caught up in the name of a player and misvalue him.

04-10-2012, 10:25 AM	#107
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	I would keep it MLB cities, but possibly randomize the markets or set them all as equal? By letting teams pick their cities, when they leave, you have a team at a city that has no interest, unless you let the new owner "move" the team

04-10-2012, 10:44 AM	#111
chesapeake College Starter Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Arlington, VA	Looks like I'm late to the party, but I'd like to join if there is room for me. Historical or fictional doesn't matter to me. The team doesn't matter much, either. If it is a historical league, I'd prefer the Mariners or Nats in that order if they are available, but I am wedded to neither.

04-10-2012, 10:52 AM	#113
spleen1015 Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2003	We're getting close to 35-40 people now as it is. Maybe 2 leagues is the best idea, fictional players vs real players. I agree with the sentiment that there are too many ideas flying around. Of course, I say this after I give an idea. Anyway, whoever is commishing, make a decision and let's get this party started.

04-10-2012, 10:53 AM	#114
bhlloy Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003	Alright, I'll stop posting then. Sounded like we were heading towards fictional. I still prefer a real life start, but down for whatever

04-10-2012, 11:47 AM	#118
spleen1015 Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2003	I don't think we'll have any issues finding suitable logos. There are 1000s of them available over in the mods section in OOTPland. If we go fictional, I would like to use my Indianapolis 500s unis/logos.

04-10-2012, 12:43 PM	#122
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Two leagues, fictional vs non fictional with a real WS between the two!

04-10-2012, 12:50 PM	#123
lungs Pro Rookie Join Date: May 2002 Location: Prairie du Sac, WI	I'd have to see how the fictional league would be setup before I'd join. I like fictional for solo play but am not sure about it for MP. Like I said, I thought the real rosters were so good this year that I'm much more interested in a real roster league.

04-10-2012, 01:52 PM	#125
Big Fo Pro Rookie Join Date: Jan 2005	Real 2012 setup, scouting/coaching off, tone down player creation modifiers so the first draft doesn't have a million great prospects compared to the more modestly rated real players, I also like toning down "talent change randomness: to 60-70. I'll do any type of league really but that would be my preference, that is how I think the game works best in single-player. IMO: Real 2012 MLB >>> random historical debut league >>>>>>>>>> pure fictional

04-10-2012, 11:47 PM	#129
fantom1979 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Sterling Heights, Mi	I think you guys just need 1 or 3 people to be a commish and set up a league. Anyone that is interested will join. League creation by committee seems to be a recipe for disaster.

04-11-2012, 03:31 AM	#131
SirFozzie Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: The State of Insanity	Good point: For those interested in a historical random debut league: (signup/Interest) OOTP 13 "Random Debut" Historical League - Front Office Football Central __________________ Check out Foz's New Video Game Site, An 8-bit Mind in an 8GB world! http://an8bitmind.com

04-11-2012, 04:13 PM	#133
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	All interested people in a 2012 opening day MLB league please submit a list of 3-5 teams that you are interested in, along with your FOFC Username to [email protected]. We will do the best that we can in order to place people with the teams that they prefer. People who have previously played in an RWBL/JBL league will be given some preferential treatment for signup. As of now, Bug and I will be co-commissioning the league, and I suspect that we will be joined by a few others who can help in capacities as needed. Requirements-You will need a Facebook account in order to participate in this league, as we will be using that as the primary form of communication in the league. There will also be Game generated HTML and statslab online for the league, assuming i can get statslab working. We will attempt to place all interested parties on either a team, a waiting list or as a future expansion team(if necessary). Unfortunately the supply of available slots may exceed the amount of interested parties. Coaches and scouts will be used in this league. Opening day 2012 rosters will be used. Other rules and such will be fleshed out. I'd prefer to be able to examine the game for a little bit of time before rushing out and starting the league and running into an "oh shit" situation that could have been avoided.

04-11-2012, 04:17 PM	#134
SackAttack Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Green Bay, WI	Sent. I, uh, presume you fellas are sharp enough to intuit 'SackAttack' from 'Sack'.

04-11-2012, 04:20 PM	#135
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Ya. Kinda surprised you wanted the Giants and Angels as 1-2

04-11-2012, 05:13 PM	#137
Big Fo Pro Rookie Join Date: Jan 2005	I guess I'll have to finally sign up for Facebook.

04-11-2012, 05:28 PM	#138
Chubby Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Syracuse, NY	sent

04-11-2012, 06:09 PM	#140
cougarfreak College Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Out of Grad School Hell :)	Well, crap, I've never played the game w/scouts. Good luck with the league. __________________ “I don’t like the Cubs,” Joey Votto said. “And I’m not going to pat anybody with a Cubs uniform on the back."

04-11-2012, 06:15 PM	#141
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Scouts make is more interesting IMO

04-11-2012, 08:27 PM	#142
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	What is the ETA on the start up time? __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers? Last edited by Swaggs : 04-11-2012 at 08:27 PM.

04-11-2012, 08:44 PM	#143
SirFozzie Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: The State of Insanity	Justva heads up.. we have nine owners for the random debut league.. we need at least three more owners.. butccould take more __________________ Check out Foz's New Video Game Site, An 8-bit Mind in an 8GB world! http://an8bitmind.com

04-12-2012, 04:09 AM	#145
Icy Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Toledo - Spain	I'll join this real MLB 2012 one, have no interest on the random debut league as I don't know baseball history enough to properly enjoy it. __________________

04-12-2012, 10:49 AM	#150
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Just an update, there are almost enough sign ups to fill the league. I only have a few slots left.

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