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10-16-2008, 12:17 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: arlington, tx
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The Cowboys are 10th in ypg.... I look at that more than Pts/G because of all the other factors involved... the only one that a defense is solely responsible is YPG.
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10-16-2008, 01:14 PM
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Location: Boston, MA
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Special team affects YPG in a big way.
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10-16-2008, 01:28 PM
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Blocked punts that are recovered in the end zone effect PPG in a big way.
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10-16-2008, 01:36 PM
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Taking out the 1 blocked punt, the 1 KR for TD, and the 1 fumble for a touchdown, the Cowboys are giving up 20.3 PPG.
Here is a chart of only the defensive PPG given up. It removes all points given up on special teams and offense.
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10-16-2008, 01:50 PM
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Here is the Defensive Rank (by PPG) for each Super Bowl Champion
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10-16-2008, 02:20 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2000
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This thread has become lame.
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10-16-2008, 02:28 PM
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I am the Ross Perot of message boards. I just love charts and graphs.
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10-16-2008, 02:30 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2003
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You guys can't ignore special teams. I have felt that shitty special teams resulted in multiple Steelers losses the last few years. It's a big part of the game.
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10-16-2008, 02:46 PM
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Location: High and outside
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That's just crazy talk. Everyone knows Roy Williams plays safety. |
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10-16-2008, 02:54 PM
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that is excellent stats, don't feel bad. so essentially, aside from a couple Super Bowl winning teams - unless you have a top 5 Defense (and in practically most of the cases its more like top 3) you aren't likely to win a Super Bowl. funny thing about the '07 Giants is they won largely with the defense taking much of the accolades, yet they ranked as an average defense in the regular season (17th). |
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10-16-2008, 03:10 PM
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I would slightly modify that to a single digit rank. A lot of teams up there have 6/7/8
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10-16-2008, 06:31 PM
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Youknow, the vast majority o the time when I se multiple Anthony posts its almost assured to be utter shyte, but today I have to say:
Listen to this man, He speaks truth. Great analysis all around Anthony. |
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10-16-2008, 10:14 PM
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Dallas Cowboys Dream Roster: QB: Roy Williams RB: Roy Williams FB: Roy Williams TE: Roy Williams FL: Roy Williams SE: Roy Williams LT: Roy Williams LG: Roy Williams C: Roy Williams RG: Roy Williams RT: Roy Williams P: Roy Williams K: Roy Williams LDE: Roy Williams NT: Roy Williams RDE: Roy Williams LOLB: Roy Williams LILB: Roy Williams RILB: Roy Williams ROLB: Roy Williams LCB: Roy Williams RCB: Roy Williams SS: Roy Williams FS: Roy Williams Am I missing anybody? |
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10-17-2008, 05:40 AM
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Join Date: Nov 2000
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10-17-2008, 06:29 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Land O Lakes FL
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The Lions traded their best WR and, according to John Kitna, benched their best QB with more than half the season to go. Hmmm....
Just saying.
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10-17-2008, 08:24 AM
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I think you're slighly off base here. About half of those guys should be a 'Jones', so it would look more like: QB: Roy Williams RB: Ray Jones FB: Roy Williams TE: Ryan Jones FL: Roy Williams SE: Roy Williams LT: Roland Jones LG: Roy Williams C: Jeffrey Jones RG: Roy Williams RT: Roy Williams P: Roy Williams K: Jack Jones LDE: John Jones NT: Roy Williams RDE: Roy Williams LOLB: Roy Jones LILB: Roy Williams RILB: Larry Jones ROLB: Roy Williams LCB: Sammy Jones RCB: Roy Williams SS: Roy Williams FS: Roy Williams
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10-17-2008, 08:33 AM
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Many would argue about calling him their best WR. Nobody seems to mention the sheer number of passes he drops either. Kitna might be their best QB, but no matter how good he plays he is always due for a turnover. He's like a lesser talented version of Favre. The Lions fully understand they are going nowhere this season and they fully know what they have in Kitna. They need to find out what they have in thier backups. They could easily go out and grab a QB cast off, Kyle Boller, Derek Anderson, etc. and then work on having a little extra time to find a better solution if those don't work out. Last edited by Matthean : 10-17-2008 at 08:34 AM. |
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10-17-2008, 10:41 AM
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The NFL isn't like the NBA; if you tank in the NFL you get hit with a 60 million dollar player that totally fucks up your salary cap. Kitna is a 36 year old QB, it isn't like he is 26 and a clear cut #1 starter. Whoever the new GM will be needs to see if the kids, Orlovsky or Stanton, can play. I don't think they can but whatever. As for Roy, well, watch a game, and notice how dominate Calvin can be, and how invisible Roy became. Just to note as well; on the season Kitna is 68 of 120 for 758 yards, with 5 TD and 5 INT, as well as 3 fumbles. When this team named Jim Coletto offensive coordinator, now that I could say would be the first sign of tanking. Last edited by DeToxRox : 10-17-2008 at 10:45 AM. |
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10-17-2008, 11:09 AM
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Have the Lions basically given up on this season? Yes. They have. Have they done so to purposely tank the season? No. They just suck and realized that nothing's going to be accomplished this year with this group of players. It was time to start looking towards the future. Both Williams and Kitna have openly criticized the offensive scheme and coaching staff (not that I blame them really). Between that, the poor team, and many other reasons, it was time to move on. I think more highly of Roy Williams than most, but for all the reasons I stated above, they had to get rid of him and they did a good job at getting some value (more than most expected) in return. Kitna sucks. He performed very badly this year and was becoming a bit of a cancer on the team. His blow-up on the sidelines in game one was on example, him taking off his helmet and walking away from the play while the Packers' CB returned his interception for a touchdown was another. Kitna's not the future or the answer for this team. It was best that he was removed from the picture, thus forcing the coaching staff to see if Orlovsky or Stanton can handle it. (Like DeTox, I have serious doubts about both). The Lions need to do more of this. They need to play young guys like Cherlius, Dizon, and whoever. If they are going to look towards the future, they have to do so consistently across the board. They need to see how these guys perform during games. See if they can develop. Maybe if there was some superstar, consensus #1 overall pick, maybe the whole Lions are tanking the season thing would make some sense. As far as I know, there is not. (I usually don't start thinking about the draft until after the college season is done.) Between that and the whole financial burden of a high draft pick, purposefully losing games doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Even for the Lions.
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10-17-2008, 11:16 AM
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Location: Michigan
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I think Roy is a good player, but Lions fans made him out to be something he wasn't. Roy is like Keyshawn Johnson. He doesn't stretch the field. He can, but once Calvin came here, he should've been able to run free over the middle and catch 100 balls. He hasn't shown an ability to do that consistently yet for whatever reason. I am sure the losing got to him, I don't blame him one bit, but it just irked me how unprofessional he slowly was becoming. Too many hissy fits and what not. Then again, when your QB is screaming at coaches in the first game of the season, and he is your supposed leader, I guess I can't say I am shocked. As far as clear cut #1 pick, if you took a conesnus from all the draft geeks and what not, it's probably Michael Oher out of Ole Miss. I'd be happy as hell to have a legit LT finally, but ugh, the thought of a 40 million dollar signing bonus scares the hell out of me. |
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10-17-2008, 11:30 AM
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I seriously hope Calvin Johnson does reach his potential. He looked unstoppable in the pre-season. He has shown flashes of what he can be, like in the Green Bay game, but he's been wildly inconsistent. He has too many dropped passes and tends to disappear for long stretches at a time. It will be interesting to see how the loss of Roy Williams affects his game.
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10-17-2008, 11:35 AM
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I am willing to bet we both forget what number he even is, because you'll see at least three other guys on him all game now. With the vanillia playbook Coletto has, and the lack of respect our running game gets, teams will load up on Calvin and let the other WR's beat them. Not to mention the guy throwing the ball will be Dan "Safety Dance" Orlovsky, or Drew "Tuck 'n Run" Stanton. I do think though this will be good for his development, because he will still put up numbers, and I can't see the situation ever getting any worse then it'll be in the upcoming weeks. |
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10-17-2008, 11:40 AM
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I agree. This will be a dark period for the Lions' offense and given what we've seen over the last 8 years, that's really saying something. I also don't blame Kitna for being frustrated. Coletto's offense sucks. It's terrible. Between that and all the losing, I'm not surprised his pissy and angry. But, then again, his performance this year has been abysmal. The team was 1-11 over the last 12 games in which he started. The injury was a good excuse to bench him, but his benching was equally justified based on his performance and lack of results.
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10-17-2008, 11:42 AM
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I almost think Marinelli breathed a sigh of relief when he went down because he lets the Vets get away with murder. My only hope now is Chuck Darby gets benched so we can see Fluellen play a little bit. We have all these kids on the DL and none of them play, it's ridiculous. I mean, Avril plays some, and has shown flashes, but I want to see the interior guys considering out awful our interior line is. |
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10-17-2008, 11:47 AM
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Let's not forget our 2nd round pick from 2 years ago, 5-0! Though, I can see why he's having such a hard time cracking the line-up with all of those great players ahead of him. The state of the defensive line is an excellent micrcosm of all of Marinelli's many shortcomings as a coach.
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10-17-2008, 12:00 PM
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Yes. Sigh. Let's just hope the NFL passes the rule allowing anyone in a front office position to be able to interview for another front office job without permission passes, so we can get this started ASAP. |
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10-17-2008, 03:02 PM
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Guys... Marinelli is a genius when it comes to coaching up a d-line! What this team needs is some firepower on offense. They need a legitimate second option in the passing game, then Harrington will... Um... I mean Kitna... Um... Never mind.
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10-17-2008, 03:25 PM
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10-17-2008, 05:27 PM
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I agree with this. My point is that the NBA seems to be the only place where a team that is not going anywhere in that season can't switch into rebuild mode and find out what they have in their backups while trading talented players who MAY help them win games in that losing season.
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10-17-2008, 06:04 PM
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Wait one second... How can the NFL allow teams to just go and trade a player to another team? The NFL has roles about teams changing their jerseys and rules about players switching jersey numbers... They frequently deny players the opportunity to change numbers (Kevin Smith wanted to change from 34 to 24, etc.)
So how can they allow Roy Williams to change teams? What about those unsold Lions #11 jerseys? |
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10-17-2008, 07:01 PM
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Hold on now, you're assuming anyone ever buys a lions jersey.... |
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10-17-2008, 09:36 PM
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They can probably send to the same place that those Pats Super Bowl t-shirts from last year went. A NBA can try to tank a season. It was widely accepted that teams were trying to do it two years ago. It's still a crap shoot in terms of it panning out for you. The Lions can mail in the season and look like a top three pick. In the NBA, a top 3 pick could suddenly be something in the top 4, 5, etc... |
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10-17-2008, 11:38 PM
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I bought a Lions jersey once... That was about 13 years ago. It's a good jersey. I still have it, though I never wear it.
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10-17-2008, 11:44 PM
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10-17-2008, 11:50 PM
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Scott Mitchell type of guy? That's a horrible thing to say. That's is easily the meanest thing anyone has ever said to me on a message board. You know who's a Scott Mitchell type of guy? Your mom. The jersey is actually a 54. Chris Spielman. It's a great jersey. It's a nice authentic one. I was working at sporting goods store at the time and got at 50% off.
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10-18-2008, 12:05 AM
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I've thrown out so many Lions jerseys.
I had a Charlie Batch jersey for Christ's sake. And TWO Harringtons. *sigh* Being a Lions fan is AWESOME!  Last edited by thesloppy : 10-18-2008 at 12:06 AM. |
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10-18-2008, 12:20 AM
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I think owning a Andre Ware or Chuck Long Jersey is more problematic than a Scott Mitchell one
At least the Lions never F'ed themselves like the Tigers did by drafting a relief pitcher number one overall. In football terms, that's like drafting a kickoff T retreiver.. Another huge upside to the Lions...At least they were not as bad as to have the top overall pick the same year Mr. leaf was available..The temptation would have been enormous..... Last edited by Apathetic Lurker : 10-18-2008 at 12:46 AM. |
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