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Lathum · 07-13-2008, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by digamma

He may be the best NLHE tournament player in the world against amateurs. I don't think he scares the pros and his results in smaller field professional tournaments and non-NLHE games are evidence of that.

Again I disagree.

He has won 11 braclets, many before the fields were massive and were mostly pro's in the fields.

I agree pros arent afraid of him but they arent afraid of anyone. Plus he has shown he can navigate through massive fields.

larrymcg421 · 07-13-2008, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by digamma

He may be the best NLHE tournament player in the world against amateurs. I don't think he scares the pros and his results in smaller field professional tournaments and non-NLHE games are evidence of that.

I don't know about that. Remember, he won quite a few of those bracelets before the poker explosion, so those fields were mostly pros. He is a bad cash game player, but I think that has more to do with how the structure of such a game matches his style than the level of competition.

Lathum · 07-13-2008, 12:56 PM

elaborating on hellmuths bracelets.

1989 $10,000 ME- 178 players
1992 $5,000 NLHE- 88 players
1993- $2500 NLHE- 173 players
1993- $1500 NLHE- 284 players- back to back wins
1993- $5000 NLHE -63 players- 3 in a row, I had no idea he did that
1997 $3000 PLHE- 170 players
2001- $2000 NLHE- 441 players
2003- $2500 LHE- 194 players
2003- $3000 NLHE- 398 players
2006- $1000 NLHE w/ rebuys- 754 players
2007- $1500 NLHE- 2628 players

Most of these fields were smaller with all pros. He also has numerous seconds and has the record for most final tables and cashes.

As for him not being able to beat pros he was the Heads up Poker championship in 2005 beating Men Nguyen, Paul Phillips, Huck Seed, Lyle Berman, Antonio Esfandiari, and Chris Ferguson.

Subby · 07-13-2008, 01:16 PM

I would probably tend to agree more with a statement like "Phil Hellmuth is one of the best NLHE tournament players in the world."

digamma · 07-13-2008, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

Again I disagree.

He has won 11 braclets, many before the fields were massive and were mostly pro's in the fields.

I agree pros arent afraid of him but they arent afraid of anyone. Plus he has shown he can navigate through massive fields.

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Originally Posted by larrymcg421

I don't know about that. Remember, he won quite a few of those bracelets before the poker explosion, so those fields were mostly pros. He is a bad cash game player, but I think that has more to do with how the structure of such a game matches his style than the level of competition.

That's a different argument than the one to which I first responded. He may be the best tournament player in history or have the best WSOP results in history, but that is a very different argument than saying he is the best tournament player in the world today. There are people like Allen Cunningham, Barry Greenstein and Eric Seidel (just to name three off the top of my head) who have had just as much recent success as Hellmuth and may stake a claim to being the best tournament player in the world today.

digamma · 07-13-2008, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Subby

I would probably tend to agree more with a statement like "Phil Hellmuth is one of the best NLHE tournament players in the world."

And you would get no argument from me, smart guy.

Lathum · 07-13-2008, 01:34 PM

Hellmuth also finished 3rd in a HORSE event this year.

I should petition to be president of his fan club

larrymcg421 · 07-13-2008, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by digamma

That's a different argument than the one to which I first responded. He may be the best tournament player in history or have the best WSOP results in history, but that is a very different argument than saying he is the best tournament player in the world today. There are people like Allen Cunningham, Barry Greenstein and Eric Seidel (just to name three off the top of my head) who have had just as much recent success as Hellmuth and may stake a claim to being the best tournament player in the world today.

Well, I wouldn't disagree with that. Those guys are great players and certainly belong in the discussion. The only thing I took exception to was your statement about Hellmuth's success against amateurs or pros. Hellmuth has already proven that he can do very well against the pros. If anything, he really struggled with amateurs at first, going almost two years without a major tourney victory as the poker boom started.

digamma · 07-13-2008, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

Hellmuth also finished 3rd in a HORSE event this year.

I should petition to be president of his fan club

in a 1500 event going on at the same time the 50k was (which he got eliminated from on the first day).

Look, I think Hellmuth is as important to the poker boom as Moneymaker. He generates interest from non-poker fans. I just don't think he is the best tournament player in the world. Does he belong in the conversation? Absolutely, I just don't end up landing on him at the end of that conversation.

MJ4H · 07-13-2008, 02:50 PM

Nice to see Hellmuth didn't even have to serve his 1 orbit penalty ??

larrymcg421 · 07-13-2008, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by MJ4H

Nice to see Hellmuth didn't even have to serve his 1 orbit penalty ??

Yeah, it'll be interesting to see what the reasons were for overturning the ruling. He's definitely taking advantage of it, and has almost doubled his chip stack to $1.4 million.

MJ4H · 07-13-2008, 03:10 PM

Well I read that they bought his story that it was all played up for the ESPN cameras (like that should be an excuse).

larrymcg421 · 07-13-2008, 04:36 PM

Hellmuth ran into a straight and then into AK. He's now on life support with $380,000.

larrymcg421 · 07-13-2008, 04:46 PM

dola

Meanwhile, Matusow hit a full house and has doubled up to $2.4 million.

Lathum · 07-13-2008, 04:47 PM

Hellmuth is hurting.

I think his meeting this morning was BS, would joe amature been granted that meeting this morning?

larrymcg421 · 07-13-2008, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

Hellmuth is hurting.

I think his meeting this morning was BS, would joe amature been granted that meeting this morning?

I read on 2p2 that a player was disqualified from a final table in a WSOP circuit event for inappropriate behavior. However, this guy had been warned repeatedly over several days before any penalty was enforced. Sounds like they would've actually been holding Hellmuth to a higher standard here.

larrymcg421 · 07-13-2008, 05:14 PM

We are down to 52 players. Hellmuth still hasn't made his move. He's got to push really soon.

MJ4H · 07-13-2008, 05:26 PM

He's at 740k I think. 2nd hand source.

larrymcg421 · 07-13-2008, 05:28 PM

If that's true, then he's basically doubled up. You'd think that's something Pokernews might want to report, even if he just moved in to take blinds and antes.

Subby · 07-13-2008, 05:29 PM

I actually played with that Brandon Cantu kid in 2006 at the 1000NL. He had just won his first bracelet a week or so before and we got some camera time.

That's about as close as I am coming to poker greatness.

MJ4H · 07-13-2008, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by larrymcg421

If that's true, then he's basically doubled up. You'd think that's something Pokernews might want to report, even if he just moved in to take blinds and antes.

It's true, but it was more than one hand.

Here is a page that has chip counts up to the minute: http://www.pokernews.com/live-report...p-counts/day6/

SirFozzie · 07-13-2008, 05:39 PM

Hellmuth now at 600K

MJ4H · 07-13-2008, 05:50 PM

and Matusow well over 3 mill. I'm pulling hard for Mikey.

Lathum · 07-13-2008, 05:58 PM

My wife is rooting hard against Hellmuth so she can put a bunch of hard core poker junkies to shame

larrymcg421 · 07-13-2008, 06:27 PM

Looks like Phil Hellmuth is out.

larrymcg421 · 07-13-2008, 06:36 PM

dola

Hellmuth is out in 45th place. He finally pushed with AQ and lost a race to JJ.

MollyMurphy has clinched the WSOP Pool championship!

MJ4H · 07-13-2008, 06:36 PM

He is. 45th. AQ allin EP 400k called by JJ. Jacks held.

larrymcg421 · 07-13-2008, 06:42 PM

Now I'm down to rooting for Matusow to not completely blow up.

Jas_lov · 07-14-2008, 12:12 AM

Cantu just lost a big pot and is now down to $4 million chips. Matusow isn't really doing much and is at about the same as Cantu. The only woman left is Tiffany "Hot Chips" Michelle who is currently 6th with just under $8 million chips.

Jas_lov · 07-14-2008, 01:19 AM

Mike Matusow has been eliminated in 30th place. Paul Snead raised it to 200k, Matusow re-raised to 660k, Snead called. AA5 flop. Both players check. 9 on the turn. Matusow bets, Snead goes all in, Matusow calls with AJ. Snead turns over A9 and the river is no help, the last big name pro is gone. Matusow had been playing tight all day and gets his re-raise called with A9 and then Snead hits the miracle turn. Poor Mikey.

Lathum · 07-14-2008, 01:34 AM

I feel bad for Matasow.

larrymcg421 · 07-14-2008, 06:04 AM

That really sucks. 2nd time he's been coolered when making a deep run.

larrymcg421 · 07-14-2008, 07:56 PM

Tiffany Michelle is out.

She had AJ. She moved over the top on an Ace high flop. Opponent called and showed AA.

SirFozzie · 07-15-2008, 05:35 AM

At 3:30 AM Pacific, 6:30 AM Eastern, we have our November Nine (this chip count is unofficial from Pokernews)

Dennis Phillips PokerStars 26.42 Million
Ivan Demidov PokerStars 23.92 Million
Peter Eastgate PokerStars 19.3 Million
Scott Montgomery Full Tilt Poker 19.3 Million
Ylon Schwartz PokerStars 13.0 Million
Darus Suharto PokerStars 13.0 Million
David 'Chino' Rheem PokerStars 10.88 Million
Craig Marquis Full Tilt Poker 10.12 Million
Kelly Kim (No sponsor) 2.9 Million

albionmoonlight · 07-15-2008, 07:01 AM

I assume that Kelly "No Sponsor" Kim is somewhat of a no-name. If that assumption is right, then I would also assume that the multi-month layoff really helps him/her. As opposed to being the person who got to the final table and lost a round or two in, s/he will get months to be part of the final nine and have all of the publicity that comes with the position.

larrymcg421 · 07-15-2008, 07:16 AM

Kelly is a dude. If Kelly was a female, I can guarantee that she wouldn't be "no sponsor" this late into the tourney.

But you're right, it definitely helps him quite a bit. The layoff also will lead to several of them hiring a superstar as a coach, like Jamie Gold did with Johnny Chan.

albionmoonlight · 07-15-2008, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by larrymcg421

Kelly is a dude. If Kelly was a female, I can guarantee that she wouldn't be "no sponsor" this late into the tourney.

You are, clearly, 100%, right.

That almost had the makings of some sort of brainteaser or something.

digamma · 07-15-2008, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

I assume that Kelly "No Sponsor" Kim is somewhat of a no-name. If that assumption is right, then I would also assume that the multi-month layoff really helps him/her. As opposed to being the person who got to the final table and lost a round or two in, s/he will get months to be part of the final nine and have all of the publicity that comes with the position.

Make no mistake, they are all "nobodies" and have latched onto sites either by qualifying through the site for the main event or by simply advancing in the tournament. It's a safe bet that Mr. Kim will be wearing some sort of logo in November.

MJ4H · 07-15-2008, 09:04 AM

Chino has been around a bit. I've heard of him and remember seeing him in a few televised events.

Lathum · 07-15-2008, 10:17 AM

I hate this layoff BS.

I should be getting ready for the final table PPV.

digamma · 07-15-2008, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

I hate this layoff BS.

I should be getting ready for the final table PPV.

But just think...now you have four months to get ready. I'd suggest no mimosas before the final table...don't want to cloud your focus.

Lathum · 10-04-2008, 02:34 AM

So I just realized the final table is being played on my wedding anniversary.

Lathum · 10-07-2008, 08:47 PM

Hellmuth just had an all time blow up directed towards Adam Roothluss Levy, one of the best online players in the world.

07-13-2008, 01:16 PM	#104
Subby lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: sans pants	I would probably tend to agree more with a statement like "Phil Hellmuth is one of the best NLHE tournament players in the world." __________________ Superman was flying around and saw Wonder Woman getting a tan in the nude on her balcony. Superman said I going to hit that real fast. So he flys down toward Wonder Woman to hit it and their is a loud scream. The Invincible Man scream what just hit me in the ass!!!!! I do shit, I take pictures, I write about it: chrisshue.com

07-13-2008, 02:50 PM	#110
MJ4H Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hog Country	Nice to see Hellmuth didn't even have to serve his 1 orbit penalty ?? __________________ My YouTube channel My Twitch channel My Sharona

07-13-2008, 03:10 PM	#112
MJ4H Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hog Country	Well I read that they bought his story that it was all played up for the ESPN cameras (like that should be an excuse). __________________ My YouTube channel My Twitch channel My Sharona

07-13-2008, 04:36 PM	#113
larrymcg421 Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Georgia	Hellmuth ran into a straight and then into AK. He's now on life support with $380,000. __________________ Top 10 Songs of the Year 1955-Present (1976 Added) Franchise Portfolio Draft Winner Fictional Character Draft Winner Television Family Draft Winner Build Your Own Hollywood Studio Draft Winner

07-13-2008, 04:46 PM	#114
larrymcg421 Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Georgia	dola Meanwhile, Matusow hit a full house and has doubled up to $2.4 million. __________________ Top 10 Songs of the Year 1955-Present (1976 Added) Franchise Portfolio Draft Winner Fictional Character Draft Winner Television Family Draft Winner Build Your Own Hollywood Studio Draft Winner

07-13-2008, 12:56 PM	#103
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	elaborating on hellmuths bracelets. 1989 $10,000 ME- 178 players 1992 $5,000 NLHE- 88 players 1993- $2500 NLHE- 173 players 1993- $1500 NLHE- 284 players- back to back wins 1993- $5000 NLHE -63 players- 3 in a row, I had no idea he did that 1997 $3000 PLHE- 170 players 2001- $2000 NLHE- 441 players 2003- $2500 LHE- 194 players 2003- $3000 NLHE- 398 players 2006- $1000 NLHE w/ rebuys- 754 players 2007- $1500 NLHE- 2628 players Most of these fields were smaller with all pros. He also has numerous seconds and has the record for most final tables and cashes. As for him not being able to beat pros he was the Heads up Poker championship in 2005 beating Men Nguyen, Paul Phillips, Huck Seed, Lyle Berman, Antonio Esfandiari, and Chris Ferguson.

07-13-2008, 01:34 PM	#107
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Hellmuth also finished 3rd in a HORSE event this year. I should petition to be president of his fan club

07-13-2008, 04:47 PM	#115
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Hellmuth is hurting. I think his meeting this morning was BS, would joe amature been granted that meeting this morning?

07-13-2008, 05:14 PM	#117
larrymcg421 Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Georgia	We are down to 52 players. Hellmuth still hasn't made his move. He's got to push really soon. __________________ Top 10 Songs of the Year 1955-Present (1976 Added) Franchise Portfolio Draft Winner Fictional Character Draft Winner Television Family Draft Winner Build Your Own Hollywood Studio Draft Winner

07-13-2008, 05:26 PM	#118
MJ4H Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hog Country	He's at 740k I think. 2nd hand source. __________________ My YouTube channel My Twitch channel My Sharona

07-13-2008, 05:28 PM	#119
larrymcg421 Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Georgia	If that's true, then he's basically doubled up. You'd think that's something Pokernews might want to report, even if he just moved in to take blinds and antes. __________________ Top 10 Songs of the Year 1955-Present (1976 Added) Franchise Portfolio Draft Winner Fictional Character Draft Winner Television Family Draft Winner Build Your Own Hollywood Studio Draft Winner

07-13-2008, 05:29 PM	#120
Subby lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: sans pants	I actually played with that Brandon Cantu kid in 2006 at the 1000NL. He had just won his first bracelet a week or so before and we got some camera time. That's about as close as I am coming to poker greatness. __________________ Superman was flying around and saw Wonder Woman getting a tan in the nude on her balcony. Superman said I going to hit that real fast. So he flys down toward Wonder Woman to hit it and their is a loud scream. The Invincible Man scream what just hit me in the ass!!!!! I do shit, I take pictures, I write about it: chrisshue.com

07-13-2008, 05:39 PM	#122
SirFozzie Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: The State of Insanity	Hellmuth now at 600K __________________ Check out Foz's New Video Game Site, An 8-bit Mind in an 8GB world! http://an8bitmind.com

07-13-2008, 05:50 PM	#123
MJ4H Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hog Country	and Matusow well over 3 mill. I'm pulling hard for Mikey. __________________ My YouTube channel My Twitch channel My Sharona

07-13-2008, 05:58 PM	#124
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	My wife is rooting hard against Hellmuth so she can put a bunch of hard core poker junkies to shame

07-13-2008, 06:27 PM	#125
larrymcg421 Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Georgia	Looks like Phil Hellmuth is out. __________________ Top 10 Songs of the Year 1955-Present (1976 Added) Franchise Portfolio Draft Winner Fictional Character Draft Winner Television Family Draft Winner Build Your Own Hollywood Studio Draft Winner Last edited by larrymcg421 : 07-13-2008 at 06:35 PM.

07-13-2008, 06:36 PM	#126
larrymcg421 Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Georgia	dola Hellmuth is out in 45th place. He finally pushed with AQ and lost a race to JJ. MollyMurphy has clinched the WSOP Pool championship! __________________ Top 10 Songs of the Year 1955-Present (1976 Added) Franchise Portfolio Draft Winner Fictional Character Draft Winner Television Family Draft Winner Build Your Own Hollywood Studio Draft Winner

07-13-2008, 06:36 PM	#127
MJ4H Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hog Country	He is. 45th. AQ allin EP 400k called by JJ. Jacks held. __________________ My YouTube channel My Twitch channel My Sharona

07-13-2008, 06:42 PM	#128
larrymcg421 Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Georgia	Now I'm down to rooting for Matusow to not completely blow up. __________________ Top 10 Songs of the Year 1955-Present (1976 Added) Franchise Portfolio Draft Winner Fictional Character Draft Winner Television Family Draft Winner Build Your Own Hollywood Studio Draft Winner

07-14-2008, 12:12 AM	#129
Jas_lov College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000	Cantu just lost a big pot and is now down to $4 million chips. Matusow isn't really doing much and is at about the same as Cantu. The only woman left is Tiffany "Hot Chips" Michelle who is currently 6th with just under $8 million chips.

07-14-2008, 01:19 AM	#130
Jas_lov College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000	Mike Matusow has been eliminated in 30th place. Paul Snead raised it to 200k, Matusow re-raised to 660k, Snead called. AA5 flop. Both players check. 9 on the turn. Matusow bets, Snead goes all in, Matusow calls with AJ. Snead turns over A9 and the river is no help, the last big name pro is gone. Matusow had been playing tight all day and gets his re-raise called with A9 and then Snead hits the miracle turn. Poor Mikey. Last edited by Jas_lov : 07-14-2008 at 01:22 AM.

07-14-2008, 01:34 AM	#131
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	I feel bad for Matasow.

07-14-2008, 06:04 AM	#132
larrymcg421 Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Georgia	That really sucks. 2nd time he's been coolered when making a deep run. __________________ Top 10 Songs of the Year 1955-Present (1976 Added) Franchise Portfolio Draft Winner Fictional Character Draft Winner Television Family Draft Winner Build Your Own Hollywood Studio Draft Winner

07-14-2008, 07:56 PM	#133
larrymcg421 Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Georgia	Tiffany Michelle is out. She had AJ. She moved over the top on an Ace high flop. Opponent called and showed AA. __________________ Top 10 Songs of the Year 1955-Present (1976 Added) Franchise Portfolio Draft Winner Fictional Character Draft Winner Television Family Draft Winner Build Your Own Hollywood Studio Draft Winner Last edited by larrymcg421 : 07-14-2008 at 07:56 PM.

07-15-2008, 05:35 AM	#134
SirFozzie Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: The State of Insanity	At 3:30 AM Pacific, 6:30 AM Eastern, we have our November Nine (this chip count is unofficial from Pokernews) Dennis Phillips PokerStars 26.42 Million Ivan Demidov PokerStars 23.92 Million Peter Eastgate PokerStars 19.3 Million Scott Montgomery Full Tilt Poker 19.3 Million Ylon Schwartz PokerStars 13.0 Million Darus Suharto PokerStars 13.0 Million David 'Chino' Rheem PokerStars 10.88 Million Craig Marquis Full Tilt Poker 10.12 Million Kelly Kim (No sponsor) 2.9 Million __________________ Check out Foz's New Video Game Site, An 8-bit Mind in an 8GB world! http://an8bitmind.com Last edited by SirFozzie : 07-15-2008 at 05:44 AM.

07-15-2008, 07:01 AM	#135
albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	I assume that Kelly "No Sponsor" Kim is somewhat of a no-name. If that assumption is right, then I would also assume that the multi-month layoff really helps him/her. As opposed to being the person who got to the final table and lost a round or two in, s/he will get months to be part of the final nine and have all of the publicity that comes with the position.

07-15-2008, 07:16 AM	#136
larrymcg421 Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Georgia	Kelly is a dude. If Kelly was a female, I can guarantee that she wouldn't be "no sponsor" this late into the tourney. But you're right, it definitely helps him quite a bit. The layoff also will lead to several of them hiring a superstar as a coach, like Jamie Gold did with Johnny Chan. __________________ Top 10 Songs of the Year 1955-Present (1976 Added) Franchise Portfolio Draft Winner Fictional Character Draft Winner Television Family Draft Winner Build Your Own Hollywood Studio Draft Winner Last edited by larrymcg421 : 07-15-2008 at 07:18 AM.

07-15-2008, 09:04 AM	#139
MJ4H Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hog Country	Chino has been around a bit. I've heard of him and remember seeing him in a few televised events. __________________ My YouTube channel My Twitch channel My Sharona

07-15-2008, 10:17 AM	#140
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	I hate this layoff BS. I should be getting ready for the final table PPV.

10-04-2008, 02:34 AM	#142
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	So I just realized the final table is being played on my wedding anniversary.

10-07-2008, 08:47 PM	#143
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Hellmuth just had an all time blow up directed towards Adam Roothluss Levy, one of the best online players in the world.

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