"Deal With It"

[Ben E Lou]

Pumpy, that would require people participating to post in their thread, and then post again. It's easier to get the quick overview this way.

[wade moore]

Originally Posted by Hell Atlantic

these are the things people think about on Christmas Eve and during the holidays?


*sigh*

HA hit this dead on.

And for some people - if this is the formatting of the Dynasty forum is so important for you to get this upset over, I feel sorry for you.

[Dr. Sak]

Originally Posted by Hell Atlantic

damn you, man, you dropped the ball. instead of "deal with it" you coulda said....


COWBOY UP.

I've been waiting for two days for you to say this! I was about to post that, but it wouldn't have beens as good!

[Logan]

Originally Posted by SkyDog

Fixed.

I was actually kidding, but thanks for looking out for those who might have more sensitive monitoring software working against them. Didn't mean to get CU in trouble.

[Toddzilla]

Assuming, of course, that more than 5% of the users give a flying shit who is participating in whatever-it-is-they're-doing. For all the grief the WW threads and participants took, this issue is 100x more annoying to 5x as many people with less than 1% of the participation. My head hurts, so guess what?

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by wade moore

HA hit this dead on.

And for some people - if this is the formatting of the Dynasty forum is so important for you to get this upset over, I feel sorry for you.

+2

[Toddzilla]

Originally Posted by CU Tiger

Nott to jump head first into this, but Id say there is a huge difference between owning a site and owning a coomunity.

Would it change everyone's life greatly if everyone here had the same conversations at {bad-looking link removed

Dude, the Drunk Guy thread is over there....

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by wade moore

if this is the formatting of the Dynasty forum is so important for you to get this upset over, I feel sorry for you.

1) If you think this is entirely about the formatting of the Dynasty forum, then you aren't paying attention.

2) Worrying with this beats the living hell out of knowing my grandmother is dying a particularly unpleasant death and there isn't a damned thing I can do about it. Or worrying about a trio of weirded out clients. Or worrying about any of the countless other things that dominate the collective minds of the posters here for most of their waking hours. Instead, we rail a bit (and pretty mildly at that) about something else for a change.

And if you can't figure out how that works then it's you that I'd feel sorry for if I had more time.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Come on, I don't think that people are letting this board formatting issue ruin their lives or anything. It's just a concern about the board, and people are expressing it. Whether it's Christmas Eve or Columbus Day or Canadian Thanksgiving or whatever, is there anything so wrong with voicing a concern about the board on the board?

Now, if somebody was really sitting around earlier this week unable to eat their dinner because of this, they might want to step back and think about what's really important. Otherwise, just because there are more pressing issues in their lives and in the world, it doesn't necessarily mean that they should just ignore this one thing that bothers them.

[Alan T]

I'd be happy to accept any forum formatting there is if in turn someone could get my mother in law to leave at some point before the second week of next month...

[AZSpeechCoach]

Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors

Come on, I don't think that people are letting this board formatting issue ruin their lives or anything. It's just a concern about the board, and people are expressing it. Whether it's Christmas Eve or Columbus Day or Canadian Thanksgiving or whatever, is there anything so wrong with voicing a concern about the board on the board?

Now, if somebody was really sitting around earlier this week unable to eat their dinner because of this, they might want to step back and think about what's really important. Otherwise, just because there are more pressing issues in their lives and in the world, it doesn't necessarily mean that they should just ignore this one thing that bothers them.

C'mon Pumpy. Canadians don't celebrate Thanksgiving. What are they thankful for? Moose?








Ducks

[Pumpy Tudors]

Originally Posted by Alan T

I'd be happy to accept any forum formatting there is if in turn someone could get my mother in law to leave at some point before the second week of next month...

Is she hot?

[Noop]

Considering the starter I am not surprised, he is a drama queen.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by SkyDog

That depends on what you're trying to do. I wanted it set up so that everyone could see who was participating and posting.

I really don't have a horse in this race either way but this made me say WTF?

Does ayone really care about who is participating ad posting except for the people playing in the challange?

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors

Come on, I don't think that people are letting this board formatting issue ruin their lives or anything. It's just a concern about the board, and people are expressing it. Whether it's Christmas Eve or Columbus Day or Canadian Thanksgiving or whatever, is there anything so wrong with voicing a concern about the board on the board?

Now, if somebody was really sitting around earlier this week unable to eat their dinner because of this, they might want to step back and think about what's really important. Otherwise, just because there are more pressing issues in their lives and in the world, it doesn't necessarily mean that they should just ignore this one thing that bothers them.

but seriously, in the grand scheme of things what does it matter? not to discredit the opinions of others or their feelings - everyone has a right to feel the way they do - some things are more important than others. and it's not a situation where you can say "who are you to dictate what is more important". this clearly is of such little importance. this is the internet, we all get to be anonymous and say things we normally wouldn't say in real life (except for Jon, who clearly is seriously not well-adjusted. i like him, but he isn't someone i would feel comfortable being stuck in a car during a snow storm with.). sure, we get to cry out against "the Man" when we feel we've been wronged. but this isn't a case where a crazy guy with mod powers just randomly banned people for no reason. its his board, he can make the formatting decisions he wants. he has to weigh whether it's worth it to cave in to a vocal minority or to just do it the way he likes.

it's a shame. i wish people would take their unused energy and just apply it to the "How many 5 yead olds can you take?" thread.

[larrymcg421]

Certainly not defending the tone of the response, but the complaint itself was poorly worded and made the response inevitable. Sometimes you have to know who you're dealing with. Posting a thread in the dynasty forum titled "Annoying as Hell" was not the best way to go about it.

[molson]

Originally Posted by Hell Atlantic

but seriously, in the grand scheme of things what does it matter?

You could say that about everything but life and death (and even that's debatable, I guess).

Text sims, message boards, the internet, none of it really matters, and obviously there's more important things to spend our energy on. But you come across little things in life that might matter when you come across them. It's always annoying to me when people say, "Isn't there something more important Congress can be doing", or "isn't there a more important study then effect of chocolate on sleep patterns". Sure there is, but do you want to spend your entire life thinking ONLY about the most important things? You'd go insane.

What were we talking about again?

[Anthony]

i think the best way to do it is the following:

if you had to pay for every post you made, would you pay money to complain about how the dynasty forum is formatted? if everyone operated under the same "is this post worth paying x amount of money for?" mindset, you'd see a lot of complaints diminish. if you had to pay $0.50 per post, you would accept how it's done and not even think about it.

jeeberd would also be a poor man, if we did it that way.

[Barkeep49]

I appreciate the fact that the formatting is back to the Ryan S style.

[korme]

If I had to pay for every post, I'd have 0 career posts at fofc HA.

Dumb fucking analogy

[DanGarion]

Originally Posted by SkyDog

That depends on what you're trying to do. I wanted it set up so that everyone could see who was participating and posting.

Ah that makes sense for the sub forums, but how about all the private forums like the moderator ones, seems like you should be able to make those non visible, if not us but just for you so people don't know that the mods are talking (by the addition of post counts...?)

[Toddzilla]

This thread needs more jb

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by Shorty3281

If I had to pay for every post, I'd have 0 career posts at fofc HA.

Dumb fucking analogy

then you'd have nothing important to say. point is, are you just mastur-posting, or do you actually have something worthwhile to say? point is, if you had to pay for making the posts i'm sure you'd let it slide if you didn't like the formatting of the forum, rather than paying money out of your pocket to do so.

a lot of complaints you see on the internet is for two reasons:

1. we get to be relative strangers and keep our real identities hidden
2. it doesn't cost anything to share our opinions.

those are the exact 2 reasons trolling exists, and why flame wars happen. as far as eye-candy goes, yeah, the formatting wasn't the best. but since it's not even on my list of things i remotely care about or impact my life i let it slide. it's not my board and i rather save my opinions for a topic that actually matters.

this is the internet: we post because we can. sometimes that's not a good enough reason, though.

[korme]

Where exactly in my life does it ever cost anything to share my opinion?

[Barkeep49]

HA: I think in a community, which we qualify, there is a social cost for some people in how they post. Others, not so much, but I think that you can't discount the social cost entirely here.

[Kodos]

Originally Posted by Shorty3281

Where exactly in my life does it ever cost anything to share my opinion?

That just cost you 50 cents.

[dawgfan]

Originally Posted by wade moore

HA hit this dead on.

And for some people - if this is the formatting of the Dynasty forum is so important for you to get this upset over, I feel sorry for you.

FWIW (and as I've said before) the way this forum is formatted means little in the grand scheme of things in my life. That's not really the issue here. The issue was the manner in which Ben decided to respond to the initial criticism of how he'd reformatted the Dynasty section - locking the thread immediately and saying "deal with it".

The attitude that reply carried makes it easy for someone to wonder about how he moderates the board and his priorities in that role - is this ultimately just a toy for whatever he wants to do, or do the wishes of those of us in this community carry some weight as well? And what exactly is the current balance between those two extremes, and what is the ideal balance?

Since he's issued what will be as close to an apology as he's likely to give about the situation and the formatting has been fixed (again) and the revert from Ryan S's adjustment explained, I'll gladly move along and not spend any more time in this thread.

But I wanted to make it clear that for me, and likely for many others, their issue wasn't really the formatting change so much as it was the way in which a criticism of that change was handled.

[Subby]

Originally Posted by Toddzilla

Assuming, of course, that more than 5% of the users give a flying shit who is participating in whatever-it-is-they're-doing. For all the grief the WW threads and participants took, this issue is 100x more annoying to 5x as many people with less than 1% of the participation. My head hurts, so guess what?

You are one more comment away from me driving over and giving you a succulent rubdown.

Tread lightly. Or heavily. It's like a choose your own adventure!

[Maple Leafs]

So am I the only one who just comes directly to the General Discussion forum every time I visit the site?

[Eaglesfan27]

Originally Posted by Subby

You are one more comment away from me driving over and giving you a succulent rubdown.

Tread lightly. Or heavily. It's like a choose your own adventure!

Can he keep the page in his history and go back if he doesn't like how the results of his choice come out?

[Kodos]

Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

So am I the only one who just comes directly to the General Discussion forum every time I visit the site?

There is no General Discussion from at FOFC.

[WSUCougar]

Wow, what high Christmasy drama! All we need is Jacob Marley's ghost and a few puddin'-eatin' Cratchetts and we'd have a ballgame.

[Mustang]

Originally Posted by Subby

You are one more comment away from me driving over and giving you a succulent rubdown.

Tread lightly. Or heavily. It's like a choose your own adventure!

I read alot of choose your own adventure books when I was a kid and I don't remember any paths that led to a succulent rubdown. I do seem to remember "Encyclopedia Brown and the Happy Ending" though...

[Izulde]

Originally Posted by Kodos

There is no General Discussion from at FOFC.

But there is Corporal Punishment with Boxing and the Bananation Stick.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Noop

Considering the starter I am not surprised, he is a drama queen.

Better a drama queen than a bigot.

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

So am I the only one who just comes directly to the General Discussion forum every time I visit the site?

No.

I could not care less about dynasty stuff, etc. Somtimes I'll go to the ww forum, but that's only when I occasionally play.

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I really don't have a horse in this race either way but this made me say WTF?

Does ayone really care about who is participating ad posting except for the people playing in the challange?

My thoughts too

[sachmo71]

Originally Posted by WSUCougar

Wow, what high Christmasy drama! All we need is Jacob Marley's ghost and a few puddin'-eatin' Cratchetts and we'd have a ballgame.

I know where to find a good recipe for Figgy (Christmas) Pudding.

[cuervo72]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Nothing particular beyond what has been seen here in the forum.

I've just become increasingly unimpressed by the absentee ownership, the clear disregard for anything other than his own whims, and just a general impression of arrogance by someone who is completely out of touch with the user base.

What exactly is it the user base is clamoring for though? I wasn't aware there was any particular goal for the board - it's just here, and has a passing relation to FOF.

[cuervo72]

Originally Posted by Shorty3281

Chris Shue is the smartest person I know on Facebook Traveler IQ

$5 says that was his wife's score.

[cuervo72]

Originally Posted by sachmo71

Is "fresh" now a racist term?

"Hey, these cookies are really fresh!"
"Fuck you, racist asshole!"

Someone had better tell Kool (and the Gang).

[Subby]

Originally Posted by cuervo72

$5 says that was his wife's score.

Winnah!

[Mustang]

Originally Posted by cuervo72

What exactly is it the user base is clamoring for though?

World Domination and a new technique to masturbate.

Not necessarily in that order.

[MJ4H]

this thread makes me feel like less of a grandstanding drama queen. i know it doesnt make me less of one, but i do feel like less of one.

also this thread rules

[MIJB#19]

I get back at FOFC after a family fun filled Christmas and discover out one of the stupidest dramas ever.

People are actually playing Front Office Football and others start crying about FOF related stuff covering the unrelated stuff. For crying out loud, scroll to the top of this screen and notice the big fat
. So what if the forum outlook is a bit clumsy now, people are actually playing the game this place is devoted to again. So yeah.

Deal with it.

[korme]

Glad to have you back MIJB! Brian Sipe missed you!

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by MIJB#19

I get back at FOFC after a family fun filled Christmas and discover out one of the stupidest dramas ever.

People are actually playing Front Office Football and others start crying about FOF related stuff covering the unrelated stuff. For crying out loud, scroll to the top of this screen and notice the big fat
. So what if the forum outlook is a bit clumsy now, people are actually playing the game this place is devoted to again. So yeah.

Deal with it.

lay off the hatorade

[vex]

Originally Posted by MIJB#19

I get back at FOFC after a family fun filled Christmas and discover out one of the stupidest dramas ever.

People are actually playing Front Office Football and others start crying about FOF related stuff covering the unrelated stuff. For crying out loud, scroll to the top of this screen and notice the big fat
. So what if the forum outlook is a bit clumsy now, people are actually playing the game this place is devoted to again. So yeah.

Deal with it.

No, see, what it looks like now is actually the fixed version. It was much worse.

[RedKingGold]

Originally Posted by MIJB#19

I get back at FOFC after a family fun filled Christmas and discover out one of the stupidest dramas ever.

People are actually playing Front Office Football and others start crying about FOF related stuff covering the unrelated stuff. For crying out loud, scroll to the top of this screen and notice the big fat
. So what if the forum outlook is a bit clumsy now, people are actually playing the game this place is devoted to again. So yeah.

Deal with it.

If you weren't in another country right now, I'd probably hug you.

[Toddzilla]

Originally Posted by Subby

You are one more comment away from me driving over and giving you a succulent rubdown.

Tread lightly. Or heavily. It's like a choose your own adventure!

Originally Posted by RedKingGold

If you weren't in another country right now, I'd probably hug you.

Wow - this is turning into the Gayest. Thread. Ever.