Official Fire Can't Cameron / Release Trinterception Green / Kill Hizinger Thread

[Logan]

Originally Posted by Izulde

I know Chambers wasn't a true #1, but IMO he was the only decent receiver we had left.

Always a good sign when you say this less than 6 months after drafting a receiver with a top 10 pick.

[rkmsuf]

Originally Posted by Logan

Always a good sign when you say this less than 6 months after drafting a receiver with a top 10 pick.

correction - "Kick returner".

they've admitted he has no clue how to be an nfl reciever yet.

[Logan]

Should've put it in quotes.

[Rizon]

http://rageagainstwayne.com/

Gotta love this.

[Rizon]

[Rizon]

[larrymcg421]

Probably a good idea to get this thread ready for today.

So, how badly do we get raped this afternoon?

[RendeR]

I was tempted to post a 49-0 score on the pickum thread.

[Rizon]

Dolphins already down by 7.

In other surprising news: Lance Bass is gay.

[larrymcg421]

Defense gets raped on opening drive. On offense, Ronnie Brown runs his ass off. The first pass play is called, and its a fumble.

Season. In. A. Nutshell.

[DaddyTorgo]

14-0

[Rizon]

OMFG THE DOLPHINS SCORED

[DaddyTorgo]

OMFG the Dolphins just kicked away from Ellis Hobbes to Willie Andrews who took it 74 yds for a TD

21-7

[larrymcg421]

How can you not love Ronnie Brown?

[larrymcg421]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

OMFG the Dolphins just kicked away from Ellis Hobbes to Willie Andrews who took it 74 yds for a TD

21-7

It's our secret plan to keep the ball away from Tom Brady.

[JAG]

Originally Posted by RendeR

I was tempted to post a 49-0 score on the pickum thread.

You almost had the halftime score.

[molson]

It's weird that I remember this since I'm not a Florida sports fan, but I specifically remember all the excitement on the field after the Marlins '97 world series win, and then on-field interview with Huizenga, who waited about 20 seconds before telling the celebrating fans that "we won't be competitive next year". What odd, total douche thing to say, at that moment.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by JAG

You almost had the halftime score.

he had the total # of points in the first half

[st.cronin]

Two words: Irving Fryar. No, I don't feel sorry for the Dolphins.

[miami_fan]

http://www.miamiherald.com/614/story/280290.html

Dolphins' Ronnie Brown out for season
BY JEFF DARLINGTON
Somehow, someway, the Dolphins' season just got worse.
Miami running back Ronnie Brown will miss the rest of the season as a result of Sunday's knee injury, two sources said Monday. An MRI revealed enough damage Monday morning to declare Brown's season as done.

Details of the severity of the injury will be known shortly.

Brown, who was one of the only bright spots, has been forced to prematurely end the most successful year of his three-year career as a result of a play that occurred during the third quarter of Sunday's 49-28 loss to the Patriots.

Brown's knee buckled Sunday when he attempted to plant his foot during an interception return by Patriots cornerback Randall Gay. He left the game with 76 yards on 17 carries.

Before leaving Sunday's game, Brown had run for more than 100 yards during four consecutive games. He also had four touchdowns during that span.

The loss of Brown means the team will rely on running back Jesse Chatman as its starter against the Giants. Patrick Cobbs will serve as his backup, and third-round draft pick Lorenzo Booker could also be activated for the first time of his career.

[MikeVic]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Two words: Irving Fryar. No, I don't feel sorry for the Dolphins.

Irving Fryar!!! I remember him in a Madden game. He was so slow and old, but I would draft him just because it was funny. He could catch curl routes like anyone else. :P

[larrymcg421]

0-16 is definitely looking possible now.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by larrymcg421

0-16 is definitely looking possible now.

You have to think that the Dolphins will be able to get at least one win somewhere in there. Maybe when the Jets come to town?

If not, it'd be pretty cool for the same organization that went 16-0 to have gone 0-16.

[cartman]

There was a blurb in Peter King's column this morning that of all the players drafted or traded for by Miami between 1998 and 2003, exactly zero of those players are still on the roster.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by cartman

There was a blurb in Peter King's column this morning that of all the players drafted or traded for by Miami between 1998 and 2003, exactly zero of those players are still on the roster.

Sounds like some Millenesque personnel moves there...

[RendeR]

Witout Brown? This team is a real good bet to go winless. Yikes.

[Logan]

Don't worry Miami fans...at least you have a home game coming up.

[miami_fan]

Originally Posted by cartman

There was a blurb in Peter King's column this morning that of all the players drafted or traded for by Miami between 1998 and 2003, exactly zero of those players are still on the roster.

Of course this made me go back and see who these players were. God, what were they thinking? John Avery? J.J. Johnson? Jamar Fletcher? Kenny Mixon? Eddie Moore?

On a side note, how is it possible that the Dolphins have drafted only 4 players from the University of Miami, Florida State, or the University of Florida since 1998? I know there aren't any sure things based on where you went to school. I know all the schools have had their up and downs during that time. However, all three have won BCS titles during that time. That has to count for something? We have drafted more players from the top three Mississippi universities (Ole Miss, Miss. State, and Southern Miss.) with five than the top three Florida universities. Don't you take a runner on a player from UM,FSU, or UF before you take one on a player from one of the Mississippi schools?

[miami_fan]

Originally Posted by Logan

Don't worry Miami fans...at least you have a home game coming up.

That game should do wonders for the NFL experience overseas.

[larrymcg421]

The Avery one really burns, because we got him instead of Randy Moss, and then decided to bring in such high character guys like Demetrius Underwood and Cecil Collins the next couple of years.

[Kodos]

Thank you, Dave Wannstedt!

[miked]

Originally Posted by miami_fan

Of course this made me go back and see who these players were. God, what were they thinking? John Avery? J.J. Johnson? Jamar Fletcher? Kenny Mixon? Eddie Moore?

On a side note, how is it possible that the Dolphins have drafted only 4 players from the University of Miami, Florida State, or the University of Florida since 1998? I know there aren't any sure things based on where you went to school. I know all the schools have had their up and downs during that time. However, all three have won BCS titles during that time. That has to count for something? We have drafted more players from the top three Mississippi universities (Ole Miss, Miss. State, and Southern Miss.) with five than the top three Florida universities. Don't you take a runner on a player from UM,FSU, or UF before you take one on a player from one of the Mississippi schools?

Well, drafting Yatil Green did wonders in 1997. I don't think after that pick I'd take anyone from the U either.

Also, between 98 and 03 they only had like 2 1st round picks or something. I'd argue that their rate for success isn't that far off the NFL for non 1st round picks.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by miked

Well, drafting Yatil Green did wonders in 1997. I don't think after that pick I'd take anyone from the U either.

Also, between 98 and 03 they only had like 2 1st round picks or something. I'd argue that their rate for success isn't that far off the NFL for non 1st round picks.

I just took a look at the Lions' to do a comparison. I don't know of any players who the Lions traded picks for during that time (who are still on the team).

So, just looking at draft picks there are exactly 7 players from those drafts still on the team. Of those 7, four are quality starters (Shaun Rogers, Dominic Raiola, Jeff Backus, and Cory Redding) and three are back-ups (Boss Bailey, Jared DeVries, and Kalimba Edwards). Bailey and Edwards may start, but they really shouldn't be.

Only one of those players, Backus, was a first rounder.

[miami_fan]

Originally Posted by miked

Well, drafting Yatil Green did wonders in 1997. I don't think after that pick I'd take anyone from the U either.

Also, between 98 and 03 they only had like 2 1st round picks or something. I'd argue that their rate for success isn't that far off the NFL for non 1st round picks.

So one bad pick should disqualify a school from having the Dolphins picking? If that were the case, what the hell were they doing pick Todd Wade from Mississippi two years after picking the GREAT John Avery from the same school. Call me a homer, but I think I'll take my chances with a player from UM, UF, or FSU especially during that time period.

[Greyroofoo]

Originally Posted by cartman

There was a blurb in Peter King's column this morning that of all the players drafted or traded for by Miami between 1998 and 2003, exactly zero of those players are still on the roster.

Just for comparison, 5 of the 6 Colts first rounds picks are still on the roster. The exception being The Edge

[larrymcg421]

Drafting Randy Moss would have given us an excellent shot at the Superbowl in 1998.

[Rizon]

Dear God,

Why do you hate us?

Sincerely,

A Dolphins Fan

[Rizon]

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

You have to think that the Dolphins will be able to get at least one win somewhere in there. Maybe when the Jets come to town?

If not, it'd be pretty cool for the same organization that went 16-0 to have gone 0-16.

Not looking good:

Sep 9 @Washington Lost 13-16
Sep 16 Dallas Lost 20-37
Sep 23 @N.Y. Jets Lost 28-31
Sep 30 Oakland Lost 17-35
Oct 7 @Houston Lost 19-22
Oct 14 @Cleveland Lost 31-41
Oct 21 New England Lost 28-49
Oct 28 N.Y. Giants (London) 1:00pm
Week 9 BYE
Nov 11 Buffalo 1:00pm
Nov 18 @Philadelphia 1:00pm
Nov 26 @Pittsburgh 8:30pm
Dec 2 N.Y. Jets 1:00pm
Dec 9 @Buffalo 1:00pm
Dec 16 Baltimore 1:00pm
Dec 23 @New England 1:00pm
Dec 30 Cincinnati 1:00pm

Possibly after the bye, with Buffalo in town? Philadelphia is a very bad team, maybe them. Jets always have the Dolphins number, especially late in the season. Not a chance against Buffalo IN Buffalo. Maybe against NE if NE packs it up (they'll be 14-0 at this time). Cincy will be fighting for a playoff berth on Dec 30.

[DeToxRox]

0-14 Phins vs 14-0 Pats would be awesome television

[gstelmack]

Originally Posted by Rizon

Maybe against NE if NE packs it up (they'll be 14-0 at this time).

I don't think NED is packing it up this year. My working theory is that the team is set out to destroy the rest of the NFL and as many records as possible, with Bill retiring after the season. The only way NED packs it in then is if there is NOTHING to fight for at that point: playoff position all sown up, Brady has destroyed Manning's passing records, at least one game already lost, etc.

[Big Fo]

We'll beat either the Jets or Bills at home.

[Kodos]

hxxp://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7396482?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=5
I seriously wonder if someone is pulling a Godzilla Blitz with the Dolphins. It's the only explanation that makes sense.

Lemon to remain starter for Dolphins

Associated Press, Updated 13 minutes ago

DAVIE, Fla. (AP) - Cleo Lemon will remain the Dolphins' No. 1 quarterback when Miami plays against Buffalo on Sunday.

Coach Cam Cameron announced the move Monday, ending speculation that rookie John Beck would get his first NFL start for the winless Dolphins.
"We have two guys who don't have a lot of experience," Cameron said. "We're going to need them both."

Trent Green started the first five games, but his season ended Oct. 20 when he went on injured reserve following his second severe concussion in 13 months. The Dolphins have lost their last three games with Lemon as the quarterback.

Beck was the first quarterback the Dolphins drafted in the first or second round since Dan Marino.

[miami_fan]

Originally Posted by Kodos

hxxp://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7396482?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=5
I seriously wonder if someone is pulling a Godzilla Blitz with the Dolphins. It's the only explanation that makes sense.

Lemon to remain starter for Dolphins

Associated Press, Updated 13 minutes ago

DAVIE, Fla. (AP) - Cleo Lemon will remain the Dolphins' No. 1 quarterback when Miami plays against Buffalo on Sunday.

Coach Cam Cameron announced the move Monday, ending speculation that rookie John Beck would get his first NFL start for the winless Dolphins.
"We have two guys who don't have a lot of experience," Cameron said. "We're going to need them both."

Trent Green started the first five games, but his season ended Oct. 20 when he went on injured reserve following his second severe concussion in 13 months. The Dolphins have lost their last three games with Lemon as the quarterback.

Beck was the first quarterback the Dolphins drafted in the first or second round since Dan Marino.

But they can't start Beck. QB is a tough position to learn in the NFL and you can't expect him to do well.


What? You mean Buffalo start their rookie QB already? Damn.

[Icy]

WTF?? is Cam just trying to save his ass from the 0-16 season? What is the point on trying to win now instead of developing rookies? even more stupid when your "win now" guy is not able to win anything.

[Honolulu_Blue]

I read somewhere (maybe ProFootballtalk.com) that the thinking was that the Dolphins would continue to start Lemon until they won a game and then would go to Beck. They didn't want Beck to feel additional pressure trying to not be the QB of an 0-16 team.

I think that's what I read.

[Kodos]

That is pathetic. Never mind trying to figure out if he is any good. Let's not put the pressure of 0-16 on him. If anything, there is less pressure on this team now than there has ever been. They suck, we all know it. Losing is not a surprise.

[Izulde]

Can this season seriously get any worse?

No Chambers, No Brown, Cleo effing Lemon as the starting QB... I mean shit, at least throw Beck in. Dude's not a spring chicken so start his ass already.

[Rizon]

At this point, I'm too down to feel frustrated about this team anymore. The only silver lining is we didn't lose last week.

[Kodos]

Admit it, Wayne. You have no clue as to what you're doing. Do Dolphins fans a favor and sell the team. Let someone with a clue take over.

[larrymcg421]

What worries me is that Huizenga will just say it was a rebuilding year so we can't blame Cameron and he'll get another year.

The thing is, if this was a rebuilding year, then Cameron has done an even worse job. The signing of Porter, the trade for Green, drafting an old ass rookie QB. None of that makes sense from a rebuilding standpoint.