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MizzouRah · 07-16-2006, 06:14 PM

We have to go back to LA after the Atlanta series. I'm sure they'll remember this series.

Double A · 07-16-2006, 09:34 PM

It was good to see Reyes keep the ball down a little better in this one. I am concerned on how this kid develops with Duncan and TLR and if they keep shoving the 2-seamer and "pitch to contact" mentality down his throat, when he appears to be a natural power arm/strikeout (high in the zone) pitcher.

With Weaver, however, I can't wait to see Duncan dig into him. These are the type of veteran pitchers Duncan works wonders with.

MizzouRah · 07-16-2006, 09:41 PM

It will be interesting to see what Duncan can do with Weaver, but I didn't think Ponson was that bad.

I do like his kid Chris though, he could develop into a good hitter.

Fonzie · 07-16-2006, 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Double A

It was good to see Reyes keep the ball down a little better in this one. I am concerned on how this kid develops with Duncan and TLR and if they keep shoving the 2-seamer and "pitch to contact" mentality down his throat, when he appears to be a natural power arm/strikeout (high in the zone) pitcher.

With Weaver, however, I can't wait to see Duncan dig into him. These are the type of veteran pitchers Duncan works wonders with.

I have the same worry about Reyes. And the same optimism about Weaver. Basically, you have my opinions.

Hmmm...can you tell me what I would like for breakfast tomorrow? And what I should wear?

GoldenEagle · 07-16-2006, 11:12 PM

Anyone hear about the rumored trade with the Braves?

Cards would get:
Andruw Jones
Edgar Renteria
O. Villarel

Braves get:
Wainwright
Rico Washington
Pomeraz
Gall

SackAttack · 07-16-2006, 11:18 PM

The Renteria part of it makes me laugh.

Both in the Nelson Muntz "Ha, ha!" vein but also in the sense of "David Eckstein is hitting .314, why the hell do you want Renteria back?"

Hadn't heard that rumor though, now.

Fonzie · 07-16-2006, 11:30 PM

I hadn't heard it either. Where'd you hear about that, GE?

GoldenEagle · 07-16-2006, 11:52 PM

It was on email going around my work (which is full of hard-core Cards fans). Some guy on XM mentioned it as a chance.

I think the plan would be to move Eckstien to 2B.

MizzouRah · 07-17-2006, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

Anyone hear about the rumored trade with the Braves?

Cards would get:
Andruw Jones
Edgar Renteria
O. Villarel

Braves get:
Wainwright
Rico Washington
Pomeraz
Gall

Hmmmm... Renteria back in Cardinal red? Not sure that would happen, but weirder things have.

I would take Andruw Jones in a minute.. but that's tough giving up Wainright, next year's starting pitcher.

Of course Renteria is hitting well this year, so we'd have one hell of a lineup.. but who do you replace Wainright with?

SackAttack · 07-17-2006, 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by MizzouRah

Hmmmm... Renteria back in Cardinal red? Not sure that would happen, but weirder things have.

I would take Andruw Jones in a minute.. but that's tough giving up Wainright, next year's starting pitcher.

Of course Renteria is hitting well this year, so we'd have one hell of a lineup.. but who do you replace Wainright with?

And hasn't the pitching been giving you guys more trouble than the bats?

MizzouRah · 07-17-2006, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by SackAttack

And hasn't the pitching been giving you guys more trouble than the bats?

Not lately.

Sorry.. read that wrong. Yes indeed.. but we are losing most of our starting pitching next year.

WSUCougar · 07-17-2006, 10:13 AM

Weird rumor.

Butter · 07-17-2006, 10:35 AM

I'm going to be the Reds fan that breaks up this love fest by saying that we will catch you. Unless we give away Dunn and Griffey in some trade for Terry Mulholland first.

WSUCougar · 07-17-2006, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Butter_of_69

I'm going to be the Reds fan that breaks up this love fest by saying that we will catch you.

Wanna bet?

Butter · 07-17-2006, 10:44 AM

Bring it on, State boy.

WSUCougar · 07-17-2006, 10:45 AM

Terms?

Butter · 07-17-2006, 11:02 AM

I don't know... I'm not good at the heat-of-the-moment machismo style betting. I'm open to suggestions.

So, what's the deal with cutting Sidney Ponson?

WSUCougar · 07-17-2006, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Butter_of_69

So, what's the deal with cutting Sidney Ponson?

He sucked, got sent to the bullpen, and didn't take it well at all. Quick ticket to DFA.

MizzouRah · 07-17-2006, 12:19 PM

Didn't the Reds just trade their starting SS and RF for some pitching? Isn't Adam Dunn the strikeout king of the NL? (ok maybe 2nd behind Jimmy E)

WSUCougar · 07-17-2006, 12:23 PM

Yeah, that Reds trade was a head-scratcher.

Butter · 07-17-2006, 01:07 PM

I wasn't ripping on cutting him, I honestly haven't followed it much. I know the Reds were trying to get him for several years, it seems like it's just as well that they didn't.

Cards4ever · 07-17-2006, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by WSUCougar

He sucked, got sent to the bullpen, and didn't take it well at all. Quick ticket to DFA.

Especially when his contract was attached to incentives relating to starts.

MizzouRah · 07-17-2006, 07:27 PM

Boy Weaver looks good!! Doh!!

What can he do that Ponson can't?

primelord · 07-17-2006, 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MizzouRah

Boy Weaver looks good!! Doh!!

What can he do that Ponson can't?

Run a mile? Do 25 jumping jacks?

MizzouRah · 07-17-2006, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by primelord

Run a mile? Do 25 jumping jacks?

At least pitching wasn't one of them.

miami_fan · 07-17-2006, 08:11 PM

Doesn't look like it is just Weaver.

Fonzie · 07-17-2006, 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by primelord

Run a mile? Do 25 jumping jacks?

Avoid collapsing into a singularity at the end of his life cycle?

MizzouRah · 07-17-2006, 09:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by miami_fan

Doesn't look like it is just Weaver.

Point is, I think there was a reason he was traded and had a 3-10 record with a 6. whatever era. Granted, it wasn't for much.. but why did they shit on Ponson?

JonInMiddleGA · 07-17-2006, 09:12 PM

I wonder what the odds were that the Braves would score 15 runs without a single RBI from their top 2 in the category & only 1 RBI from their top 3?

WSUCougar · 07-17-2006, 09:17 PM

I think they accidentally suited up Dennis Weaver...and he's been dead awhile.

primelord · 07-17-2006, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by MizzouRah

Point is, I think there was a reason he was traded and had a 3-10 record with a 6. whatever era. Granted, it wasn't for much.. but why did they shit on Ponson?

Because he was lazy, had a terrible attitude and was pitching terribly. Those aren't good enough reasons for you?

MizzouRah · 07-17-2006, 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by primelord

Because he was lazy, had a terrible attitude and was pitching terribly. Those aren't good enough reasons for you?

Ponson
REC 4-4 | SV 0 | ERA 5.24 | WHIP 1.62

Weaver
REC 3-10 | SV 0 | ERA 6.60 | WHIP 1.56

Not much different here.
Where did you read he was lazy, had a terrible attitude, and was pitching THAT bad.. or better yet worse than Weaver's pitched this year?
Oh yeah LaRussa said this and that, must be true.
I really don't care about their feud. What I do care about is spending money on Weaver when Ponson cost us peanunts and didn't pitch any worse than Weaver has so far.
I'll eat my words if Weaver finishes with better stats than Ponson.

WSUCougar · 07-17-2006, 09:47 PM

It's only one start (although admittedly a poor one).

primelord · 07-17-2006, 09:51 PM

You're right. Ponson actually is a fantastic guy to have around the club house and they just shit canned him for the hell of it.

Not pitching that bad? He gave up 26 earned runs in his last 6 starts. He had a whopping 9.55 ERA in his last 6 starts. How bad does it have to get?

Don't lump me in with the Jeff Weaver fan club. However I am all for at least trying something different instead of running Ponson out there every 5 days to get slaughtered. If Duncan can turn Weaver around then great. If not then it is no worse than if Ponson stayed.

When the manager says a player has a terrible attitude and he is giving up 26 earned runs in a 6 game stretch then yeah I am ok with them showing him the door.

Poli · 07-18-2006, 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WSUCougar

I think they accidentally suited up Dennis Weaver...and he's been dead awhile.

At least you didn't say Earl.

WSUCougar · 07-18-2006, 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

At least you didn't say Earl.

That would work, too.

Oh, and if it makes you feel any better, the weather in St. Louis makes it feel like Africa this week. :o

Poli · 07-18-2006, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

Did we win again?

Can/did someone SLAP the fool that sent Brad Thompson down??

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Originally Posted by stlcardinals.com

Thompson starts: Brad Thompson made his 2006 starting debut on Friday night, throwing 50 pitches over three innings for Triple-A Memphis. Thompson allowed two runs on five base hits, struck out two and did not issue a walk. During his time at Memphis, Thompson will pitch in the starting rotation, which will accomplish two goals. First, it will allow him plenty of innings in which to work out his struggles over the past couple of months. Second, it potentially provides the Cardinals with a sixth-starter option, while Mark Mulder is on the disabled list. At this point, there is no obvious candidate to receive a start if a member of the current St. Louis rotation were injured or needed a break for whatever reason

Was he struggling that bad...with an ERA in the 4 range?

Poli · 07-18-2006, 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WSUCougar

That would work, too.

Oh, and if it makes you feel any better, the weather in St. Louis makes it feel like Africa this week. :o

Yeah, welcome to my world.

Poli · 07-18-2006, 12:38 PM

June

St. Louis Cardinals

0

7.62

10

0

13.0

23

11

3

0

3

8

Ouch. I see why now.

Double A · 07-18-2006, 04:18 PM

I was at that pitiful effort last night...cooked in the right field sun and watched Braves home runs...Weaver was all over the place...and the Braves are hot right now, so I wasn't too surprised. Don't know if you guys read viva el birdos cardinals blog...best one out there right now (IMO). I should have known the Cards would lose...bad things usually happen when I score tickets at the last minute and make that 2.5 hour drive.

Thompson's big issue right now is arm slot and he's decreased the efficiency of his sinker (i.e., it doesn't), so he'd bring his 88 mph non-sinker in and was getting ripped. I like him and hope he gets straightened out in Memphis...wish he'd incorporate his changeup more.

And that trade rumor above w/ Renteria and company is crazy. Who would make that deal??? Wainright will be good, but he hasn't been stellor in the past 2 months. Rico Washington is a career minor leaguer w/ no range that we signed to keep Springfield afloat while our young OFs (Haether, Stavinoha, Gorecki) learn to hit w/o losing every game. Pomeraz is a soft tosser whose record is more a product of run support then talent. Gall is your typical AAAA player...little to no impact at the major league level (although I think he deserves more a shake then TLR has given him). Wainright is a longterm gem (if he stays healthy)...but ATL wouldn't give up Renteria, let alone Jones and the MR...for that package. Just my opinion.

WSUCougar · 07-18-2006, 09:55 PM

Ugh. Jason Marquis with your garden-variety 12 earned runs outing. It was ugly, and I was there. For awhile.

Poli · 07-18-2006, 10:54 PM

Really? Great....

MizzouRah · 07-19-2006, 09:55 AM

Atlanta is kicking some major ass lately.

WSUCougar · 07-19-2006, 10:25 AM

You should have seen Marquis. Pitch...BLAM! HR! (fans grumbling)...he looks over toward the dugout. Pitch...BLAM! HR! (more fans grumbling)...he looks over toward the dugout (mercy!). Pitch...

Poli · 07-19-2006, 10:27 AM

Kind of like Ricky Horton, huh?

MizzouRah · 07-19-2006, 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WSUCougar

You should have seen Marquis. Pitch...BLAM! HR! (fans grumbling)...he looks over toward the dugout. Pitch...BLAM! HR! 9more fans grumbling)...he looks over toward the dugout (mercy!). Pitch...

He's like.. how many f'n hr's do I have to give up in order for LaRussa to take me out so I can get some AC and a Sun Drop?

Poli · 07-19-2006, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by MizzouRah

He's like.. how many f'n hr's do I have to give up in order for LaRussa to take me out so I can get some AC and a Sun Drop?

Maybe I was thinking of Danny Cox.

WSUCougar · 07-19-2006, 10:33 AM

Donovan Osborne?

Poli · 07-19-2006, 10:35 AM

Ooh. Good one.

Danny Jackson.

Kent Mercker.

07-16-2006, 05:08 PM	#101
WSUCougar Rider Of Rohan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Port Angeles, WA or Helm's Deep	__________________ It's not the years...it's the mileage.

07-16-2006, 09:34 PM	#103
Double A n00b Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: JC, MO	It was good to see Reyes keep the ball down a little better in this one. I am concerned on how this kid develops with Duncan and TLR and if they keep shoving the 2-seamer and "pitch to contact" mentality down his throat, when he appears to be a natural power arm/strikeout (high in the zone) pitcher. With Weaver, however, I can't wait to see Duncan dig into him. These are the type of veteran pitchers Duncan works wonders with. __________________ I think this situation absolutely requires a futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part. We're just the guys to do it.

07-16-2006, 11:12 PM	#106
GoldenEagle Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Little Rock, AR	Anyone hear about the rumored trade with the Braves? Cards would get: Andruw Jones Edgar Renteria O. Villarel Braves get: Wainwright Rico Washington Pomeraz Gall __________________ Xbox 360 Gamer Tag: GoldenEagle014

07-16-2006, 11:52 PM	#109
GoldenEagle Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Little Rock, AR	It was on email going around my work (which is full of hard-core Cards fans). Some guy on XM mentioned it as a chance. I think the plan would be to move Eckstien to 2B. __________________ Xbox 360 Gamer Tag: GoldenEagle014

07-17-2006, 10:13 AM	#113
WSUCougar Rider Of Rohan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Port Angeles, WA or Helm's Deep	Weird rumor. __________________ It's not the years...it's the mileage.

07-16-2006, 06:14 PM	#102
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Troy, Mo	We have to go back to LA after the Atlanta series. I'm sure they'll remember this series.

07-16-2006, 09:41 PM	#104
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Troy, Mo	It will be interesting to see what Duncan can do with Weaver, but I didn't think Ponson was that bad. I do like his kid Chris though, he could develop into a good hitter.

07-16-2006, 11:18 PM	#107
SackAttack Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Green Bay, WI	The Renteria part of it makes me laugh. Both in the Nelson Muntz "Ha, ha!" vein but also in the sense of "David Eckstein is hitting .314, why the hell do you want Renteria back?" Hadn't heard that rumor though, now.

07-16-2006, 11:30 PM	#108
Fonzie Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Illinois	I hadn't heard it either. Where'd you hear about that, GE?

07-17-2006, 10:35 AM	#114
Butter Coordinator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Dayton, OH	I'm going to be the Reds fan that breaks up this love fest by saying that we will catch you. Unless we give away Dunn and Griffey in some trade for Terry Mulholland first. __________________ My listening habits

07-17-2006, 10:44 AM	#116
Butter Coordinator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Dayton, OH	Bring it on, State boy. __________________ My listening habits

07-17-2006, 10:45 AM	#117
WSUCougar Rider Of Rohan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Port Angeles, WA or Helm's Deep	Terms? __________________ It's not the years...it's the mileage.

07-17-2006, 11:02 AM	#118
Butter Coordinator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Dayton, OH	I don't know... I'm not good at the heat-of-the-moment machismo style betting. I'm open to suggestions. So, what's the deal with cutting Sidney Ponson? __________________ My listening habits

07-17-2006, 12:19 PM	#120
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Troy, Mo	Didn't the Reds just trade their starting SS and RF for some pitching? Isn't Adam Dunn the strikeout king of the NL? (ok maybe 2nd behind Jimmy E)

07-17-2006, 12:23 PM	#121
WSUCougar Rider Of Rohan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Port Angeles, WA or Helm's Deep	Yeah, that Reds trade was a head-scratcher. __________________ It's not the years...it's the mileage.

07-17-2006, 01:07 PM	#122
Butter Coordinator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Dayton, OH	I wasn't ripping on cutting him, I honestly haven't followed it much. I know the Reds were trying to get him for several years, it seems like it's just as well that they didn't. __________________ My listening habits

07-17-2006, 07:27 PM	#124
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Troy, Mo	Boy Weaver looks good!! Doh!! What can he do that Ponson can't? Last edited by MizzouRah : 07-17-2006 at 07:28 PM.

07-17-2006, 08:11 PM	#127
miami_fan Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Land O Lakes FL	Doesn't look like it is just Weaver. __________________ "The blind soldier fought for me in this war. The least I can do now is fight for him. I have eyes. He hasn’t. I have a voice on the radio, he hasn’t. I was born a white man. And until a colored man is a full citizen, like me, I haven’t the leisure to enjoy the freedom that colored man risked his life to maintain for me. I don’t own what I have until he owns an equal share of it. Until somebody beats me and blinds me, I am in his debt."- Orson Welles August 11, 1946

07-17-2006, 09:12 PM	#130
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	I wonder what the odds were that the Braves would score 15 runs without a single RBI from their top 2 in the category & only 1 RBI from their top 3? __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

07-17-2006, 09:17 PM	#131
WSUCougar Rider Of Rohan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Port Angeles, WA or Helm's Deep	I think they accidentally suited up Dennis Weaver...and he's been dead awhile. __________________ It's not the years...it's the mileage.

07-17-2006, 09:47 PM	#134
WSUCougar Rider Of Rohan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Port Angeles, WA or Helm's Deep	It's only one start (although admittedly a poor one). __________________ It's not the years...it's the mileage.

07-17-2006, 09:51 PM	#135
primelord Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000	You're right. Ponson actually is a fantastic guy to have around the club house and they just shit canned him for the hell of it. Not pitching that bad? He gave up 26 earned runs in his last 6 starts. He had a whopping 9.55 ERA in his last 6 starts. How bad does it have to get? Don't lump me in with the Jeff Weaver fan club. However I am all for at least trying something different instead of running Ponson out there every 5 days to get slaughtered. If Duncan can turn Weaver around then great. If not then it is no worse than if Ponson stayed. When the manager says a player has a terrible attitude and he is giving up 26 earned runs in a 6 game stretch then yeah I am ok with them showing him the door.

07-18-2006, 04:18 PM	#141
Double A n00b Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: JC, MO	I was at that pitiful effort last night...cooked in the right field sun and watched Braves home runs...Weaver was all over the place...and the Braves are hot right now, so I wasn't too surprised. Don't know if you guys read viva el birdos cardinals blog...best one out there right now (IMO). I should have known the Cards would lose...bad things usually happen when I score tickets at the last minute and make that 2.5 hour drive. Thompson's big issue right now is arm slot and he's decreased the efficiency of his sinker (i.e., it doesn't), so he'd bring his 88 mph non-sinker in and was getting ripped. I like him and hope he gets straightened out in Memphis...wish he'd incorporate his changeup more. And that trade rumor above w/ Renteria and company is crazy. Who would make that deal??? Wainright will be good, but he hasn't been stellor in the past 2 months. Rico Washington is a career minor leaguer w/ no range that we signed to keep Springfield afloat while our young OFs (Haether, Stavinoha, Gorecki) learn to hit w/o losing every game. Pomeraz is a soft tosser whose record is more a product of run support then talent. Gall is your typical AAAA player...little to no impact at the major league level (although I think he deserves more a shake then TLR has given him). Wainright is a longterm gem (if he stays healthy)...but ATL wouldn't give up Renteria, let alone Jones and the MR...for that package. Just my opinion. __________________ I think this situation absolutely requires a futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part. We're just the guys to do it.

07-18-2006, 09:55 PM	#142
WSUCougar Rider Of Rohan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Port Angeles, WA or Helm's Deep	Ugh. Jason Marquis with your garden-variety 12 earned runs outing. It was ugly, and I was there. For awhile. __________________ It's not the years...it's the mileage.

07-18-2006, 10:54 PM	#143
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	Really? Great.... __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

07-19-2006, 09:55 AM	#144
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Troy, Mo	Atlanta is kicking some major ass lately.

07-19-2006, 10:25 AM	#145
WSUCougar Rider Of Rohan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Port Angeles, WA or Helm's Deep	You should have seen Marquis. Pitch...BLAM! HR! (fans grumbling)...he looks over toward the dugout. Pitch...BLAM! HR! (more fans grumbling)...he looks over toward the dugout (mercy!). Pitch... __________________ It's not the years...it's the mileage. Last edited by WSUCougar : 07-19-2006 at 10:32 AM.

07-19-2006, 10:27 AM	#146
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	Kind of like Ricky Horton, huh? __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

07-19-2006, 10:33 AM	#149
WSUCougar Rider Of Rohan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Port Angeles, WA or Helm's Deep	Donovan Osborne? __________________ It's not the years...it's the mileage.

07-19-2006, 10:35 AM	#150
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	Ooh. Good one. Danny Jackson. Kent Mercker. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

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