Looks Like Jared May Be A Sick F**K...

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by Shkspr

The most important question here is: with his career in shreds and likely unable to work out his frustrations with sex, does Jared turn to food to ease his pain?

How much does Jared weigh two years from now?

The real question is how much is Jared's footlong meatball sub worth

[lighthousekeeper]

wonder if subway could successfully sue Jared if they could prove that his actions caused loss of company revenue.

[Ragone]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

The real question is how much is Jared's footlong meatball sub worth

I think the real question is.. Will Jared be alive 6 months from now..

Can only imagine the line of inmates outside his cell singing the 5 dollar footlong jingle..

[Kodos]

Originally Posted by Ragone

Can only imagine the line of inmates outside his cell singing the 5 dollar footlong jingle..

"He went to Jared!"

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by lighthousekeeper

wonder if subway could successfully sue Jared if they could prove that his actions caused loss of company revenue.

Seems pretty doubtful to me.

I mean, short of things like theft or fraud or violation of confidentiality agreements, I'm not sure I can think of what a company has/could sue a regular run of the mill employee for. Am I missing some reason/cause?

You can terminate your bartender for serving a drunk who then DUI kills 14 people & in some states he can be criminally charged ... but the employer suing him for damaging their brand? Off the top of my head I don't recall hearing such a suit.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by lighthousekeeper

You must never have been sued by your former employer. Speaking from personal experience, they can try to sue you for everything under the sun (varies by state).

I meant, you know, successfully. Anybody can -- and do -- sue for everything.

[Logan]

People will stop become spokesmen if it means potentially being on the hook for companies with billions in sales seeing some kind of downturn.

[stevew]

Doing a plea bargain. Fuck this piece of shit and fuck subway

[Subby]

Former Subway spokesman Jared Fogle to plead guilty to child pornography charges | Fox 59

[tarcone]

My neighbor was arrested in May by the U.S. Marshalls for 2nd offense possession of child pornography. He got a 5 year suspended sentence, 120 days shock incarceration and a $63 fine.
Go justice system.
Fooled will get off light. And enjoy his life again. Sooner rather than later.

[bob]

What is shock incarceration?

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by bob

What is shock incarceration?

First-time offender boot camp style for a short period, basically.

What is Shock Incarceration? (with pictures)

[bhlloy]

Jesus. The number of people we have in prison and you can get a suspended sentence for possession of child pornography? Talk about fucked up.

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by bhlloy

Jesus. The number of people we have in prison and you can get a suspended sentence for possession of child pornography? Talk about fucked up.

Well that's only for the rich.

[stevew]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

First-time offender boot camp style for a short period, basically.

What is Shock Incarceration? (with pictures)

I think this is what my wife's cousin got for aiding a bank robbery. Cool Hand Luke type stuff.

[Dutch]

One of my guys when I was in the Air Force did something similar we called Correctional Custody and it really turned him around...it really is designed for younger people that are still developing bad habits. Not sure is child porn is a learned trait or a disease though. If its the later, I doubt it will rehab him.

[Logan]

From the AP:

Federal prosecutors say longtime Subway pitchman Jared Fogle has agreed to plead guilty to engaging in sex acts with minors and receiving child pornography.

Documents released Wednesday by the U.S. attorney's office in Indianapolis say the 37-year-old will plead guilty to one count of travel to engage in illicit sexual conduct with a minor and one count of distribution and receipt of child pornography.

The agreement filed by prosecutors ahead of an expected court appearance by Fogle says he agrees to: pay $1.4 million in restitution to 14 minor victims, each receiving $100,000, register as a sex offender and undergo treatment for sexual disorders.

It says the government will recommend a sentence of more than 12½ in prison. It says Fogle will not ask for a sentence of less than five years in prison.

Fogle attorney Ron Elberger says he has no comment "at this time."

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/2659e...lls-mom-sister

[stevew]

Jeez, it's gotta be f'ng horrific if he's agreeing to do 5 years. They must have found a ton of stuff

[Kodos]

Jesus. How sick do you have to be to be into child porn?

[stevew]

Originally Posted by Kodos

Jesus. How sick do you have to be to be into child porn?

This is a dumb question, and I'm pretty sure the answer is yes, but his lawyer has to look at all the evidence, right?

If so, not enough money in the world for that job.

[Subby]

Jared Fogle Paid for Sex Acts With Minors and Received Child Porn

Federal prosecutors allege in the documents that the married father of two traveled to pay for sex acts, including with minors, from 2007 until as recently as June and that he repeatedly planned business trips to coincide with his sexual pursuits.

On Nov. 3, 2012, Fogle allegedly paid a 17-year-old girl who he had found online to engage in sex acts while he was staying at the Plaza Hotel in New York City, according to the papers. Several months later, he again paid her for sex acts while staying at the Ritz Carlton Hotel, according to the document, which says the girl told Fogle her age when they first met and that he knew she was a minor.

After the first meeting, the document said, Fogle texted the girl and offered to pay her a fee if she could find him another underage girl to pay for sex acts.

During these discussions, Fogle “stated that he would accept a 16-year-old girl, while stating that the younger the girl, the better,” the document said.

Between 2011 and 2013, Fogle also repeatedly sent text messages to other escorts, “soliciting them to provide him with access to minors as young as 14 to 15 years,” the document said, adding that he would only make such requests after engaging in sex acts with the escorts to “insure that they were not undercover police officers.”

[Honolulu_Blue]

He's done. In addition to this, I would have to imagine that at least some of the victims will sue him in civil court.

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by stevew

I think this is what my wife's cousin got for aiding a bank robbery. Cool Hand Luke type stuff.

Didn't Luke die in the end though?

[hollmt]

Originally Posted by Dutch

One of my guys when I was in the Air Force did something similar we called Correctional Custody and it really turned him around...it really is designed for younger people that are still developing bad habits. Not sure is child porn is a learned trait or a disease though. If its the later, I doubt it will rehab him.

I sure hope you are not insinuating that addiction to child porn is a disease.

Just No.

Lumping that in as a disease because of the 'addiction' word will quickly piss me off. I know there are advocates and some stupid definitions (if those are whipped out by people) that state addiction is a disease because it affects the mind,but it isn't. It is just...an addiction and that is all. Period. This will not be popular either I am sure, but alcoholism is not a disease either. I am ready for the shitstorm that might open up too.

I will get off my soapbox now

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by hollmt

I sure hope you are not insinuating that addiction to child porn is a disease.

Just No.

Lumping that in as a disease because of the 'addiction' word will quickly piss me off. I know there are advocates and some stupid definitions (if those are whipped out by people) that state addiction is a disease because it affects the mind,but it isn't. It is just...an addiction and that is all. Period. This will not be popular either I am sure, but alcoholism is not a disease either. I am ready for the shitstorm that might open up too.

I will get off my soapbox now

Maybe you should take that to another thread. This isn't about addiction: It's about a monster who probably damaged more lives than we'll ever know. People like Fogel create ripples of pain, disfunction, etc......that can be felt by many other people for generations.

[molson]

Originally Posted by stevew

This is a dumb question, and I'm pretty sure the answer is yes, but his lawyer has to look at all the evidence, right?

If so, not enough money in the world for that job.

There's a hallway right around the corner from me at work where the internet crimes against children people do their investigations. There's a sign warning you that could see bad stuff if you go down there (it's a secure office, so it's not like random people are around to see it). I think those investigators get psychological evaluations a couple of times a year to make sure they're OK.

Edit: And this isn't to defend anybody, obviously, but there's definitely two kinds of child porn. Jared seems to be into older teen girls who of course can't legally consent, but there is at least some level of voluntariness on the girls' part. That's bad, but there's other stuff which is much worse, involving much younger children and a complete absence of "consent", legal or otherwise. So that accounts for some of the disparity in sentences these people get.

[albionmoonlight]

Originally Posted by molson

There's a hallway right around the corner from me at work where the internet crimes against children people do their investigations. There's a sign warning you that could see bad stuff if you go down there (it's a secure office, so it's not like random people are around to see it). I think those investigators get psychological evaluations a couple of times a year to make sure they're OK.

I know that the US Attorneys office does a lot to protect their people. Mandatory counseling and access to lots of resources. Those guys don't just have to see the images, they also have to interview victims and stuff. It is really, really tough work, but at least the government acknowledges that.

[hollmt]

Originally Posted by Schmidty

Maybe you should take that to another thread. This isn't about addiction: It's about a monster who probably damaged more lives than we'll ever know. People like Fogel create ripples of pain, disfunction, etc......that can be felt by many other people for generations.

Did you see me arguing that he was a monster? I will answer that for you. No, you didn't. It was hinted at, and will be hinted at again that this is a disease and I fully disagree with that. So, therefore I kept in in this thread because it was brought up in this thread. Hence, why I quoted what was said in this thread. Thanks.

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by hollmt

Did you see me arguing that he was a monster? I will answer that for you. No, you didn't. It was hinted at, and will be hinted at again that this is a disease and I fully disagree with that. So, therefore I kept in in this thread because it was brought up in this thread. Hence, why I quoted what was said in this thread. Thanks.

Ok. Argue with yourself here then. Open a new thread, and I would participate.

[tarcone]

My neighbor is probably in his 40s.
Another neighbor has a friend in the FBI who looked at the case. The guy had pictures of girls under 10.
The neighbor with the FBI friend arranged with a guy in our neighborhood, he owns a hotel, to stay there for free. He presented it to the wife of the porn guy. She said "You're not God. My husband is cured."

We have lots of girls in our neighborhood.

We are not happy with the justice system right now.

[miami_fan]

Originally Posted by Ragone

I think the real question is.. Will Jared be alive 6 months from now..

Can only imagine the line of inmates outside his cell singing the 5 dollar footlong jingle..

Unless he decides to kill himself, I would expect the answer to be yes.

He won't be housed in general population and I am not sure how much street cred those he will be housed with will get for killing the Subway guy.

[BillJasper]

Originally Posted by miami_fan

...and I am not sure how much street cred those he will be housed with will get for killing the Subway guy.

[miami_fan]

Hold on, they did not keep him in custody?!

Oh I guess there is a chance that a family member of one of the victims could kill him.

BillJasper: I think you can go ahead and change the thread title. I think we may have confirmation that he IS a sick fuck.

[Subby]

Originally Posted by molson

Edit: And this isn't to defend anybody, obviously, but there's definitely two kinds of child porn. Jared seems to be into older teen girls who of course can't legally consent, but there is at least some level of voluntariness on the girls' part. That's bad, but there's other stuff which is much worse, involving much younger children and a complete absence of "consent", legal or otherwise. So that accounts for some of the disparity in sentences these people get.

How many girls voluntarily become prostitutes? I think you can argue that they are all forced into it, be they sex slaves or something else.

[Dutch]

Originally Posted by hollmt

Did you see me arguing that he was a monster? I will answer that for you. No, you didn't. It was hinted at, and will be hinted at again that this is a disease and I fully disagree with that. So, therefore I kept in in this thread because it was brought up in this thread. Hence, why I quoted what was said in this thread. Thanks.

It's okay, I didn't mean to piss anybody off. I don't know if this is something that can be rehabbed was my point. By disease...I meant mental illness....or something along the lines that makes somebody think child porn is okay or interesting. It's criminal, but is 90 days of scarring the shit out of him going to change his mind? I doubt it.

[molson]

Originally Posted by Subby

How many girls voluntarily become prostitutes? I think you can argue that they are all forced into it, be they sex slaves or something else.

Definitely, but I'm comparing it to situations where people inflict sexual torture on infants, get off on it, and document the torture to share with others. And the people who trade in such things. They're going to usually be punished more harshly than someone who is into older teen smutty photos, or even people who are paying 16-year-olds for sex. So that's why some of these guys are getting probation or short prison terms and others are going away forever. They're all criminals.

[judicial clerk]

I actually think 5 to 12 years and 1.4mm isn't a bad sentence for the prosecutors. You avoid a criminal trial, which is nice for the victims and eliminates the possibility of Jared getting off (no pun intended), you get a good payout before the civil lawsuits even start, and people who go to federal prison tend to serve a significant portion of their sentence. Jared could end up serving twelve years or close to it. I do not know what the typical federal sentence would be but I wouldn't be surprised to find some tough sentences coming from Midwest federal district judges.

Also, Jared will probably get crushed in civil court. The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children keeps a database of all child pornography and they attempt to identify all the children appearing in the porn. Volunteer attorneys will sue Jared on behalf of any identified persons appearing as children in the porn that Jared possessed and distributed and the judgments can roll in. Then it becomes a matter of asset protection/ judgment collection. This is on top of the lawsuits of the children he actually had contact with. Hopefully they will clean him out and help some of his victims.

Go ICAC! What a fucked job.

[JeeberD]

Originally Posted by molson

Edit: And this isn't to defend anybody, obviously, but there's definitely two kinds of child porn. Jared seems to be into older teen girls who of course can't legally consent, but there is at least some level of voluntariness on the girls' part. That's bad, but there's other stuff which is much worse, involving much younger children and a complete absence of "consent", legal or otherwise. So that accounts for some of the disparity in sentences these people get.

I'm not sure if it was in one of the article I read here or somewhere else, but I read that he had pictures of girls as young as 6 on his computer...

[Galaxy]

Originally Posted by bhlloy

Jesus. The number of people we have in prison and you can get a suspended sentence for possession of child pornography? Talk about fucked up.

Our legal system is completely fucked up--no arguments here. Half of the stuff that puts people in jail are things I wouldn't pursue, at least for a jail sentence.

I read that usually in child porn cases that it's usually a plea bargain deal since it's basically impossible to argue against having the porn on your computer/possession, unless you have some wild technological case.

[cartman]

This is an interesting read.

https://casetext.com/posts/the-supre...ime-statistics

[BillJasper]

I hope he can get some help with his problem while incarcerated.

[hollmt]

Originally Posted by Schmidty

Ok. Argue with yourself here then. Open a new thread, and I would participate.

Now I am arguing with myself? Funny.

I have no need or reason to open a new thread for a point that was brought up in THIS thread, Schmidty. That point seems to be lost on you.

However, if you would like to open a new thread, go ahead. We can participate in that thread and debate it. You already know my stance on it, so that ruins some of the anticipation.

[hollmt]

Originally Posted by Dutch

It's okay, I didn't mean to piss anybody off. I don't know if this is something that can be rehabbed was my point. By disease...I meant mental illness....or something along the lines that makes somebody think child porn is okay or interesting. It's criminal, but is 90 days of scarring the shit out of him going to change his mind? I doubt it.

Dutch, I apologize to you as I shouldn't have singled you out and that was not my intention but it came off that way I know.

What he did was wrong and contrary to some opinions, I am not debating that point. I am just debating the possible classification of (insert your noun here) that will be labeled on him. Those that defend him, and I don't see anyone here defending him, will label it a disease. I can see it happening if it already hasn't and it boils my blood just a bit.

[BillJasper]

Originally Posted by hollmt

What he did was wrong and contrary to some opinions, I am not debating that point. I am just debating the possible classification of (insert your noun here) that will be labeled on him. Those that defend him, and I don't see anyone here defending him, will label it a disease. I can see it happening if it already hasn't and it boils my blood just a bit.

I'm pretty sure it is a mental disorder. I can't imagine any rational individual going: "Today I want to look at naked pictures of/fuck a six year old!"

People should do their time, but while they are there, they should get help. Real help. It doesn't serve society to lock these people away for years and then send them back out into the world without said help.

[Dutch]

How do you prove the help...helped?

[molson]

Originally Posted by Dutch

How do you prove the help...helped?

Parole boards try but its not an exact science. Departments of Corrections try to rehabilitate too but that's not an exact science either. Even super rich people can't spend a certain amount of money and just cure alcoholism or drug addiction or mental illness or pedophilia. So imagine the success rate of a government with a budget, dealing mostly with people who, unlike the rich person in rehab, don't want to be there and are being ordered to be there.

[Dutch]

Right, so if 10 pedophiles go in, even if the *success* rate is 90%, upon release, we are dooming at least one more child to misery. Until science can prove a cure, these should be life sentences. Eradicate with extreme prejudice.

[bhlloy]

I also think there's a very slippery slope with calling it a disease that we try to cure. Couldn't you say a murderer is just someone with an anger problem? A thief is someone who had a problem with greed?

Some of the consequences for these kids is some of the most horrific shit you could ever think of. I'm not comfortable with giving puff piece sentences and hoping we can cure them (and as Dutch says, how the fuck do you really know and what is the consequences for the ones our overworked parole boards get wrong). Especially not when our society locks people up for tiny amounts of recreational drugs or for not being able to pay traffic fines.

[BillJasper]

Originally Posted by bhlloy

I also think there's a very slippery slope with calling it a disease that we try to cure. Couldn't you say a murderer is just someone with an anger problem? A thief is someone who had a problem with greed?

But there is a fundamental need for society to learn why this happens and how to curtail it before it affects children.

Originally Posted by bhlloy

Some of the consequences for these kids is some of the most horrific shit you could ever think of.

Something I know all too well.

[hollmt]

I can buy a mental disorder much more than a disease. I was addicted to WoW for 5 years and you could argue it was mental more than anything

What annoys/pisses me off is the labeling these types of things as a disease. What that means then to me is that, that person is dissolving him/herself of any responsibility in the problem as it 'was a disease that made me do it' and I call bullshit on that.

Jared himself when he does his interview (he probably will) will likely say something like this. Just give it time. It may not outright be said in this thread but it will be said.

I have Type 1 Diabetes. THAT is a disease. I had no control over getting it. People get other diseases and they have NO control over it. Murders that kill, Alcoholics that drink and do crazy stuff may have a mental disorder sure, but they also made a decision somewhere. Jared, he made a conscious decision to do what he did for so long and should own up to it and not label it something where he had no control. Anyone who defends him as having a disease is a fool and idiot. That is my opinion and it will never, ever change.