Hostess closing

[JediKooter]

Originally Posted by RedKingGold

Read CLOSER.

You need to read CLOSER. Nowhere in that paragraph do I say anything regarding unions or union employees.

I do agree with you, up to a certain point. I have no problems with entry level wages and an employee showing that they are worth getting paid more. The part that I have a problem with (and nothing with what you've said) is, the employers who continue to pay good workers minimum wages, yet expect premium work are then shocked if that employee complains about it. As much as managers love to pat themselves on the back, it's the employees in the trenches that are doing the real work. It's that guy that's making 7 dollars an hour and can't go to his son's school performance because he can't get the time off, but the manager making 20 an hour can? Sounds to me like the guy making 20 bucks an hour is less important to the company overall.

I bolded the part you cherry picked.

I don't mention union at all until my 3rd paragraph. Try again chief.

[JediKooter]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Then all you ever will be is a minimum wage employee. My father taught me at a very young age no matter what you do try your best, because what you put into it is what you get out of it.

Yes I agree with this. However, there is no guarantee you will be rewarded for that effort. So I think it boils down to how much or how long a person is willing to chase that carrot before moving on.

People ( not saying you) seem to think all managment was born into it, like their father in law is the CEO or something, and they sit around all day lighting cigars with $100 bills. Most managers work hard to get where thay are at. Either in that industry or through scholing that provided them oppritunity.

If you are willing to work hard also there isn't any reason you can't rise above minimum wage status.

I do think some people think that management was born into it or lucked into those positions and I'm sure there is some nepotism or cronyism going on as well. A crappy CEO or manager should be thrown out on the streets just as fast as a crappy employee should. It's just easier to get rid of lower level employees in my opinion.

[Blackadar]

Originally Posted by JediKooter

Just read through my entire post and I don't see anything where I said that union workers were making minimum wages.

Originally Posted by RedKingGold

Read CLOSER.

Originally Posted by JediKooter

You need to read CLOSER.

I think I just put my face through my laptop screen.

[thesloppy]

I've worked plenty of places where trying your best, or going above & beyond while being paid crap wages will only get you labeled as someone willing to work extra hard for crap wages.

I think the concept that you can just work hard and success will follow is sadly kind of a relic these days....at least in cases of massive, globalized and/or unionized workforces, even though the beginnings of those places is where that kind of post-WWII ideal was first born. I hate to say that nowadays, if you're in that kind of low-skill, over-populated workforce you're better served by putting in an absolutely average performance, and hoping to get promoted based on attendance, longevity and/or some flavor of nepotism/politics. Of course there are always exceptions, but if you truly are a hard worker, I think you're best served by just finding a smaller/more private pond in which your efforts will be sure to be noticed.

This discussion reminds me of a friend's story from when he started working at Freightliner, many years ago. He's new on the line, so he figures he better make himself known by working as hard as he can, and piling out as many parts as possible as soon as he hits the floor. So, he's only working for a couple hours before the foreman DOES take notice of him working so hard, and he ambles over and introduces himself, before saying "Whoah son, you're working WAY too fast. See, we've got a quota here, and if we produce over that quota, suddenly THAT's going to be the quota, and everybody's going to have to work as hard as you....and we wouldn't want that, now would we?" That kind of situation is probably the exception rather than the rule, but I do think some milder version of that kind of thinking has worked its way into a lot of the larger, modern American workplaces.

[DanGarion]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Does anyone else think Hostess products went to shit a little while back? I used to like Twinkies and cupcakes but they just aren't that good anymore. Obviously cut back on something years ago to save on costs.

Try many of your favorites from your childhood most of the stuff is shit nowadays. Cost cutting has led to crappier ingredients and sacrifice of quality and flavor.

[Warhammer]

Originally Posted by DanGarion

Try many of your favorites from your childhood most of the stuff is shit nowadays. Cost cutting has led to crappier ingredients and sacrifice of quality and flavor.

That's why all Controllers should be drug out the back and shot...

Modern Marvels had a great show on coffee where they talked about how it is made, and how in the 60s the accountants changed the beans being used, and coffee consumption dropped by something like 50% in the country.

It wasn't until Starbucks came in and started using the Arabica beans again (I could have this backwards), that coffee consumption started rising again here.

[RedKingGold]

Originally Posted by JediKooter

You need to read CLOSER. Nowhere in that paragraph do I say anything regarding unions or union employees.



I bolded the part you cherry picked.

I don't mention union at all until my 3rd paragraph. Try again chief.

What non-union workers make is irrelevant to this discussion. So, thanks for adding nothing then.

[JediKooter]

Originally Posted by RedKingGold

What non-union workers make is irrelevant to this discussion. So, thanks for adding nothing then.

Awww, you have no argument or can't just say that you may have misread what I wrote (I hope you're not a teacher), so you resort to even more strawmen comments. That's so cute.

Didn't know you were the king of "Making sure everything stays exactly 100% on topic in every single thread".

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Warhammer

That's why all Controllers should be drug out the back and shot...

Modern Marvels had a great show on coffee where they talked about how it is made, and how in the 60s the accountants changed the beans being used, and coffee consumption dropped by something like 50% in the country.

It wasn't until Starbucks came in and started using the Arabica beans again (I could have this backwards), that coffee consumption started rising again here.

I will need to check that out. For me, if I'm going to splurge on something bad for me, I want it to be good. I'm not wasting my calories on Dominos if I'm going out for a pizza. And I think at some point I decided I'm not wasting those calories on crappy Hostess.

So it makes sense if they cut back on the quality, sales would drop. It's a product you're not consuming all the time and if you're going to splurge and eat something like it, you want it to be worth it.

Now my friend thinks it's all in my head and it's the same. But I swear those cupcakes had the top layer that wasn't hard as a rock and cream that actually tasted good.

[RainMaker]

I don't get the union vs executive griping. It's a free market and both sides were trying to negotiate the best deal possible. The union didn't bankrupt them, they got the best possible deal that they could for their work. Any person on the planet is going to do that regardless of skill.

It's fair to ask if the union dug their heels in too hard and cost themselves nice jobs. But they didn't destroy Hostess, they simply lost themselves their jobs. If a business fails, it's on the people who own it, not the employees who wanted more money.

These things shouldn't be about whether unions are good or bad. Whether they deserved the money or not. It's a private business arrangement between two parties. They couldn't come to an agreement and everyone lost.

[molson]

I'm pretty sure twinkies at least are exactly the same as they were. I used to love those things, and then I hadn't had one in 10+ years until I randomly bought a box a few months ago. Holy shit they were amazing. I could have eaten the whole box right there. Of course, I have the taste preferences of an 8-year old boy. I try to eat healthy, but it doesn't make me happy that I have to.

[RainMaker]

Yeah, I think Twinkies were the only one that didn't have changes to its recipe over time. The exception being the cream filling which changed during WW2 from banana to vanilla.

[M GO BLUE!!!]

I knew the company was in trouble when they switched Ding-Dongs to a plastic wrapper from the foil. Things were never the same.

[Drake]

The fact that the possibility is even on the table that we could have Twinkies made by Bimbo is enough to convince me that we should stop arguing about this and let history run its course.

I would buy stock in Twinkies by Bimbo.

[CrimsonFox]

Wow all the stores around have no twinkies. Shut out! DENIED!

All I got was a box of hohos and some solo packs of zingers.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Yeah, I think Twinkies were the only one that didn't have changes to its recipe over time. The exception being the cream filling which changed during WW2 from banana to vanilla.

Just hearing the words "banana filling" makes me vomit a little. YUK!

[CrimsonFox]

By the way, if you really want this crap, the Little Debbies "Cloud Cakes" are on the shelf right below where the twinkies were.

[Drake]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

Just hearing the words "banana filling" makes me vomit a little. YUK!

Not if they're Twinkies by Bimbo, then it makes perfect sense and I buy twice as much stock.

TWINKIES by Bimbo **NOW WITH MORE BANANA FILLING**

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Drake

Not if they're Twinkies by Bimbo, then it makes perfect sense and I buy twice as much stock.

TWINKIES by Bimbo **NOW WITH MORE BANANA FILLING**

I can't stop laughing at this.

[EagleFan]

lol, saw twinkies on ebay for $1.5 million. No bids but seriously? Hell, there are some twinkies getting bids of almost $20 a box on ebay. Come on people, there are still plenty on the shelves.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Drake

The fact that the possibility is even on the table that we could have Twinkies made by Bimbo is enough to convince me that we should stop arguing about this and let history run its course.

I would buy stock in Twinkies by Bimbo.

Was talking about this earlier and hit up wikipedia. Didn't realize that Grupo Bimbo is the largest baking company IN THE WORLD.

They own brands like Arnolds, Boboli, Entenman's, Sara Lee, Thomas', etc.

[MizzouRah]

What the F is this world coming to? What's next, Frito-Lay going out of business?

[Izulde]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

lol, saw twinkies on ebay for $1.5 million. No bids but seriously? Hell, there are some twinkies getting bids of almost $20 a box on ebay. Come on people, there are still plenty on the shelves.

Not in a lot of places.

Wal-Mart and Target here, sold out.

THE ENTIRE CITY OF MILWAUKEE is sold out of *EVERY* Hostess product except a pack of Ding-Dongs and some of those Donettes.

[ISiddiqui]

The funny part is when some other company buys the part of the company responsible for Twinkies and they go back on the shelves. Those ebay buyers are going to be PISSED.

[Izulde]

Dola, my own raiding efforts

Target
3 boxes of chocolate cupcakes
7 boxes of Ho-Hos

7-11
4 individual regularTwinkie packages
3 individual orange cupcake packages
3 individual chocolate cupcake packages
3 individual Suzy Q packages
3 individual Chocodile packages

[Grover]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

Was talking about this earlier and hit up wikipedia. Didn't realize that Grupo Bimbo is the largest baking company IN THE WORLD.

They own brands like Arnolds, Boboli, Entenman's, Sara Lee, Thomas', etc.

Wow. This is news to me as well.

[chinaski]

I dont care about twinkies, but i dont know what ill do without my raspberry filled powdered donuts!

[CrimsonFox]

Hostess Zingers Raspberry Iced Cakes Half Eaten by Owner of Rockridge 4WD | eBay

It has 2 bids...

[Apathetic Lurker]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

The funny part is when some other company buys the part of the company responsible for Twinkies and they go back on the shelves. Those ebay buyers are going to be PISSED.

Pissed at being so stupid maybe...But thats about it.

[tucking fypo]

Female Student: What's gonna happen to Twinkies and Ding Dongs?
Me: I guess they'll sell what have in inventory and that'll be it.
Female Student: WHAT??? Reagan would bitch-slap those people.

[CrimsonFox]

They really haven't changed or come up with any new products in quite awhile. Not totally shocking really. They should have bagged Suzy-Qs and Cupcakes. Maybe gotten a couple really good variations of hohos, dingdongs and twinkies.

So instead of the hard chocolate outside they could have used orange or cherry too. A different kind of cake make too. Like cherry with chocolate filling.

I think they DID try to make them healthier at one point but I've heard the lite twinkies weren't as tasty.

It's just not a good market anymore in this semi health conscious world.

[Abe Sargent]

All I know, other than the inability for me to go local to buy cheap food as mentioned earlier, is that this is clearly the final sign that the world will end next month

[cuervo72]

Originally Posted by tucking fypo

Female Student: What's gonna happen to Twinkies and Ding Dongs?
Me: I guess they'll sell what have in inventory and that'll be it.
Female Student: WHAT??? Reagan would bitch-slap those people.

Ok, this made me smile.

Then it made me envision giant, flying Twinkies.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by cuervo72

Ok, this made me smile.

Then it made me envision giant, flying Twinkies.

and then THAT makes me think of people trying to down the flying twinkies by throwing other twinkies at them

[finketr]

Originally Posted by stevew

Agreed 100% although Dolly Madison also makes them

Vanilla Zingers are way better than Twinkies

Dolly Madison is a Hostess Brand

[Buccaneer]

Lot of sick people, those hoarding and those eating this crap.

[cuervo72]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

and then THAT makes me think of people trying to down the flying twinkies by throwing other twinkies at them

Surface-to-air Bugles might do it.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by thesloppy

I've worked plenty of places where trying your best, or going above & beyond while being paid crap wages will only get you labeled as someone willing to work extra hard for crap wages.

I think the concept that you can just work hard and success will follow is sadly kind of a relic these days....at least in cases of massive, globalized and/or unionized workforces, even though the beginnings of those places is where that kind of post-WWII ideal was first born. I hate to say that nowadays, if you're in that kind of low-skill, over-populated workforce you're better served by putting in an absolutely average performance, and hoping to get promoted based on attendance, longevity and/or some flavor of nepotism/politics. Of course there are always exceptions, but if you truly are a hard worker, I think you're best served by just finding a smaller/more private pond in which your efforts will be sure to be noticed.

This discussion reminds me of a friend's story from when he started working at Freightliner, many years ago. He's new on the line, so he figures he better make himself known by working as hard as he can, and piling out as many parts as possible as soon as he hits the floor. So, he's only working for a couple hours before the foreman DOES take notice of him working so hard, and he ambles over and introduces himself, before saying "Whoah son, you're working WAY too fast. See, we've got a quota here, and if we produce over that quota, suddenly THAT's going to be the quota, and everybody's going to have to work as hard as you....and we wouldn't want that, now would we?" That kind of situation is probably the exception rather than the rule, but I do think some milder version of that kind of thinking has worked its way into a lot of the larger, modern American workplaces.

This. In my experience, working hard means the other workers pile more work on you as they do less. And if you do angle it into more pay, it is just a matter of time before some spread-sheet watcher in the corporate office lays you off, because they care little about your production and will want to get rid of your higher salary.

[mckerney]

Every time I see the title of this thread I think it's about sealing the deal with the hot hostess at a restaurant after going out to eat.

[Suburban Rhythm]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

They really haven't changed or come up with any new products in quite awhile. Not totally shocking really. They should have bagged Suzy-Qs and Cupcakes. Maybe gotten a couple really good variations of hohos, dingdongs and twinkies.

So instead of the hard chocolate outside they could have used orange or cherry too. A different kind of cake make too. Like cherry with chocolate filling.

I think they DID try to make them healthier at one point but I've heard the lite twinkies weren't as tasty.

It's just not a good market anymore in this semi health conscious world.

I never understood how people liked these



Orange just never seemed like a good idea to me

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Suburban Rhythm

Orange just never seemed like a good idea to me

Those are pretty much the only Hostess product I'll genuinely miss from a taste standpoint. Twinkies & Ding Dongs, that's nostalgia and history and all, but those orange cupcakes were just the thing for a c-store stop once in a while.

[finketr]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

This. In my experience, working hard means the other workers pile more work on you as they do less. And if you do angle it into more pay, it is just a matter of time before some spread-sheet watcher in the corporate office lays you off, because they care little about your production and will want to get rid of your higher salary.

Whilst the first part of your experience seems plausible. When it comes time to determine who to layoff, my experience has been the opposite. The first time it was last-in/first-out (my bad on that job). The second time, it was a who do we need to keep, who can go. There were people at all levels that got laid-off permanently at that point regardless of salary..

well, except for the contractor/consultants that weren't employees, they all got the axe as they were built-in to the cost-control plan from the get-go.

[IlliniCub]

I just went on an all day quest for twinkies to re-sell and came up empty sadly

[thesloppy]

Sadly, I think I'll miss the brand Hostess more than any of the actual products. I like the idea of a Twinkie/Ding Dong/Ho Ho, and I think they should always be available, I just don't want to eat any of them. Shortening/creme-filling skeevs me out.

[JPhillips]

Certainly nobody has products that sound as filthy.

[McLovin]

E-Bay has a 10ct of Twinkies for a current bid 0f $31 -28 min left

10 ct Twinkies just ended for $106

[Suburban Rhythm]

Every time I open this thread I keep thinking -

Yo, Ding Dong man...Ding Dong...Ding Dong, yo!"

[chinaski]

Not sure why people dont understand this hype is all a ploy too up the sale value of the company. Hostess isnt going anywhere... they'll sell the company and we'll all have our precious twinkies for another hundred years.

[rjolley]

Loved the orange cupcakes and Suzy-Qs when I was younger. Hated when they changed the recipe for them. Haven't had one in years.

[DaddyTorgo]

Following up on something I said earlier in the thread

Don't Worry, Hostess' Top Executives Still Got Richer As Company Collapsed