Alright, Boyz!! Here we go... Bioshock impressions!!

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

You haven't posted in this thread until now.

It was in the other thread. You're correct.

It's a very good game and will help the 360 without a doubt.

[Eaglesfan27]

Stunning praise.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

Stunning praise.

I 'heart' you.

I've heard nothing but good things from a friend who had a review copy. As I mentioned in the other thread, he said that Halo 3 may sell more copies, but that he believed Bioshock was the better game. That's pretty high praise I would think.

[Eaglesfan27]

I think this article has the clearest indication that Bioshock is not coming to the PS3:

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/08/24/le...-on-pc-issues/

Then there is the lingering question of the rumored PS3 version of BioShock found in the PC code. Levine responds quite clearly, "I promise you, there is no secret plan about the PS3 that we're keeping from people. There's no PS3 development going on that we're hiding. There's lots of stuff that gets into game code, plans change over time and we got an exclusive deal with Microsoft ... that's not a Rosetta Stone discovery."

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

I think this article has the clearest indication that Bioshock is not coming to the PS3:

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/08/24/le...-on-pc-issues/

Then there is the lingering question of the rumored PS3 version of BioShock found in the PC code. Levine responds quite clearly, "I promise you, there is no secret plan about the PS3 that we're keeping from people. There's no PS3 development going on that we're hiding. There's lots of stuff that gets into game code, plans change over time and we got an exclusive deal with Microsoft ... that's not a Rosetta Stone discovery."

Certainly a solid 'no' statement. It'll likely stand until the next rumor comes along.......which will likely be a few weeks. These things never die completely, much like the MSG4 to 360 rumor. It's never fully dead.

[cartman]

I've heard that the PS3 reference in the code is referring to Pixel Shader 3.0, FWIW.

[TroyF]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

I 'heart' you.

I've heard nothing but good things from a friend who had a review copy. As I mentioned in the other thread, he said that Halo 3 may sell more copies, but that he believed Bioshock was the better game. That's pretty high praise I would think.

Stupid question here. . . how would he know Bioshock was better than Halo 3? There has been a Halo 3 beta, but the full game hasn't been released. No demo of the single player game has been released. The game hasn't even gone gold yet. But he believes Bioshock is the better game?

Are you the same person who chastised review sites for jumping the gun?

Let's just concentrate on what we know for sure: Bioshock is the single best FPS shooter released for the next gen systems. I'd say it wasn't close, but Resistence is one heck of a game too. I don't think it's in the same league as Bioshock, but that's opinion, nothing more.

Bioshock and Halo fill different roles anyway. Halo 3 will likely have a solid single player experience, but will almost certainly shine in multiplayer. Bioshock shines as an FPS single player experience. And Mass Effect will cater to the RPG fan.

[MizzouRah]

One game I would like to see on the ps3 and that's MGS4. I would be in heaven if that game came to the 360.

[SunDevil]

"Sony (the owner of SecureROM copy protection) is still up to its old tricks. One would think that they would have learned their lesson after the music CD DRM fiasco, which cost them millions. However, they have now started infesting PC gaming with their invasive DRM. Facts have surfaced that show that the recently released PC game BioShock installs a rootkit, which embeds itself into Explorer, as part of its SecureROM copy-protection scheme. Not only that, but just installing the demo infects your system with the rootkit. This begs the question: Since when did demos need copy protection?"

http://games.slashdot.org/games/07/08/24/213256.shtml

[Surtt]

Wow you can reinstall it up to 5 times, WTF?

I reinstall my windows all the time.
I am not going to give them $50 and have them tell me how many time I can reinstall it.
I guess SecuROM is the new StarForce, if it is on a game I will not buy it.

[MizzouRah]

My wife keeps coming in the computer/gaming room and sitting down and watching a bit here and there. She hates games, but this one finally has her drawn in a bit.

[TroyF]

I did get by that Big Daddy. I'm playing through as a "good" guy now and saving any of the little girls I come across. The more I play the game, the more I enjoy it. I think there was some football game released a couple of weeks ago. Not sure if I'll play it again.

[Eaglesfan27]

Can you go back to areas you've previously left later in the game?

I'll put the specifics of my question in a spoiler tag. It deals with the medical pavillion area:

Spoiler

When I got my 3rd plasmid, Telekinesis, I swapped out the Incinerate. Now, there is an ice blocked door on the medical pavillion that I can't get through. Not very good forethought on my part. I've just beat Dr. Steinman and I was hoping he would have a gene bank so that I could re-equip Incinerate, but no luck. So, is there a way to go back to medical pavillion once I open the emergency access? Also, is there a gene bank that I'm missing on the medical pavillion level (I think I've been everywhere on the level except through the icy door and two other doors that won't open for me.

[Eaglesfan27]

Never mind. Just answered my own question. You can go back to previous areas, or at least I can go back to the medical pavillion.

[MizzouRah]

Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

Never mind. Just answered my own question. You can go back to previous areas, or at least I can go back to the medical pavillion.

Yes you can.

[Eaglesfan27]

Outside of a game of Civ 4 when I first got it, I haven't had a game make 8 hours fly by faster in a very long time. Maybe, I'm just a very slow player, but I don't think I'm anywhere near done and I've now played about 12 hours. I've had a few reloads from my fights with Big Daddy's, as I don't want to use the Vita Chambers, so maybe I've actually only played about 10-11 hours of game time. I'm not even done the 3rd level, yet.

[MizzouRah]

Those big daddy's have been kicking the shat out of me.

[sabotai]

Originally Posted by SunDevil

http://games.slashdot.org/games/07/08/24/213256.shtml

Damn, I was thinking of getting it for the PC...I can buy it through Steam. I wonder if it installs that copy protect even if I d/l the demo through Steam.

EDIT: Apparently the Steam version has it as well (why?), and it would seem the PC version is quite buggy.

[Eaglesfan27]

Originally Posted by MizzouRah

Those big daddy's have been kicking the shat out of me.

The first one took an hour or so for me to beat (about a dozen reloads.) The last 3 have been easier but every one of them has been challenging and fun.

[MizzouRah]

Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

The first one took an hour or so for me to beat (about a dozen reloads.) The last 3 have been easier but every one of them has been challenging and fun.

Yeah, the first one wasn't bad for me, but the next one took me about 8-9 reloads.

Edit: I don't think I've seen AI in any game as good as this one.

[TroyF]

Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

The first one took an hour or so for me to beat (about a dozen reloads.) The last 3 have been easier but every one of them has been challenging and fun.

The first one took me about 20 reloads, and cost me all my cash in reloads on health at a machine. They've gotten a TAD easier, but not a lot. They are a horrible lot to deal with.

I love the save mechanism of the game. I'm playing it just like you EF27, I reload my own saves. But it gives another replay option. Maybe next time I'm going to just play through it with the in game saves only for more of a challenge, even on medium.

I think I've played about 8 hours total and am not even close to through the second level. I am spending a ton of time on each level just looking for things to hack and things to find.

[Eaglesfan27]

I just had the single most intense moment in a game that I can recall in at least the last several years:

Spoiler

First, I didn't realize that I should have been running towards the sub right away as the mobs just seemed to keep regenerating, but once I did that, running down the corridor and seeing the sub blow up shocked me. It made my heart skip a beat and I had to take a break for a few after that. The setup was perfect with the pics of his family, the frantic quality of his voice. Unbelievable. Now onto to the next level

[kingnebwsu]

Yeah, that spoiler part was pretty cool. That scene further cemented a suspicion I had through the whole game that actually came to pass later in the game...but I don't wanna ruin anything for ya dude. It's pretty sweet and coming up in the next area I think.

For those people wondering, there are 7 total areas that you can travel via the underwater vehicle. That's a good way to measure your overall game progress.

[TroyF]

Just passed your spoiler point EF27. I screwed around in the next area for about 5 minutes and decided to throw in the towel for the night.

I really need to find my copy of System Shock 2 again. After I beat this thing, I want to go back through SS2 and beat it again. Wish they could somehow make that one a d/l for the 360. I'd buy it in a second.

[Eaglesfan27]

Originally Posted by TroyF

Just passed your spoiler point EF27. I screwed around in the next area for about 5 minutes and decided to throw in the towel for the night.

I really need to find my copy of System Shock 2 again. After I beat this thing, I want to go back through SS2 and beat it again. Wish they could somehow make that one a d/l for the 360. I'd buy it in a second.

I've never played System Shock 2, because I generally don't play shooter type games. However, after hearing how that game shares some similiarities to Bioshock, I'd buy it in a second as well if it was available via d/l.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

I've never played System Shock 2, because I generally don't play shooter type games. However, after hearing how that game shares some similiarities to Bioshock, I'd buy it in a second as well if it was available via d/l.

The used version at a retailer could probably be picked up for pretty cheap. Any compatibility issues with the 360?

[Pumpy Tudors]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

The used version at a retailer could probably be picked up for pretty cheap. Any compatibility issues with the 360?

System Shock 2 is a PC game.

[rkmsuf]

Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors

System Shock 2 is a PC game.

stop causing problems

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors

System Shock 2 is a PC game.

Then I guess there are compatibility issues.

Honestly never played it. I assumed it was a Xbox title given the discussion.

[TroyF]

Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors

System Shock 2 is a PC game.

I just wish there was a way they could do it. Even with the worse graphics, the game really stands up over time IMHO. I can't find my copy. I'll have to look for a cheap copy somewhere online.

EF27,

The similarities are all over the place. The way you level your character up, the chips/sodas/beer/cigs for health, the ghostly images, the messages and how you receive them, etc. I'd say the only thing Bioshock lacks is the eery, eery voice of the baddie in SS2. It's a female voice that echos through the halls of abandoned spaceships. There are some mean monkies in the game that howl. I've never been as scared playing a video game as I was in SS2. (Bioshock has already had a few of those moments)

If you can find a cheap copy somewhere, you will not be dissapointed.

[rkmsuf]

Originally Posted by TroyF

I just wish there was a way they could do it. Even with the worse graphics, the game really stands up over time IMHO. I can't find my copy. I'll have to look for a cheap copy somewhere online.

EF27,

The similarities are all over the place. The way you level your character up, the chips/sodas/beer/cigs for health, the ghostly images, the messages and how you receive them, etc. I'd say the only thing Bioshock lacks is the eery, eery voice of the baddie in SS2. It's a female voice that echos through the halls of abandoned spaceships. There are some mean monkies in the game that howl. I've never been as scared playing a video game as I was in SS2. (Bioshock has already had a few of those moments)

If you can find a cheap copy somewhere, you will not be dissapointed.

I think you can download it. Perhaps the underdogs.

[MikeVic]

So has anyone run across a bug that my friend has right now?

The game is always stuttering, hitching up, or
pausing. It started happening for me yesterday. It's really annoying
and I'm not the only one that this has happened to (a lot of people
are complaining on 2K's official boards). Apparently my only option
until it's fixed/patched is if I get a memory card unit and play w/o
the hard drive attached (which I'm not gonna do because I don't feel
like paying $40 or whatever it costs for a MCU).

I think the bug is caused by the game wanting to load too many
textures and objects for some people. How it gets to that point is
beyond me.

[Eaglesfan27]

Yesterday after about 6 hours of continuous play (and about 15-20 hours into the game) in the area of Arcadia, I had the first hitch I've seen all game that lasted for 2 seconds and then it went away. I'm hoping it doesn't keep happening, although it was only a very minor annoyance, it could become a significant annoyance if it happens too often.

[TroyF]

Originally Posted by MikeVic

So has anyone run across a bug that my friend has right now?

No. I have 4 saves I alternate through and I've never had a problem with any of them. I'm just past level 2. Hope this doesn't become a problem.

[Phototropic]

Has he tried to clear his cache?

[MikeVic]

Originally Posted by Phototropic

Has he tried to clear his cache?

Yup, he said he's tried that. It might just be a rare bug in the game I guess.

He also wanted to try and use a USB stick as storage for the save files to attempt and work around the HDD issue, and not having to buy a memory card. But you apparently can't transfer game-related content using the USB ports.

[StarBuck]

I just finished the demo tonight.
I have to confess, I hate playing on the console. I'm a PC gamer. But my computer won't run this game and so I played it on my boyfriend's XBox. t was very creepy and the storyline intriguing, just like the System Shock series.

I could not get used to the controls and could not hit a thing. I don't think I'll get the hang of it.Time for a new computer.

[MikeVic]

Originally Posted by StarBuck

I just finished the demo tonight.
I have to confess, I hate playing on the console. I'm a PC gamer. But my computer won't run this game and so I played it on my boyfriend's XBox.

You're either a girl, gay, or use the term boyfriend loosely. I don't care which one, but pointed out that this caught my attention lol...

[StarBuck]

*Taps MikeVic's foot*
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LOL Just kidding, wipe the sweat from your brow, I'm female.

[Calis]

Originally Posted by TroyF

I just wish there was a way they could do it. Even with the worse graphics, the game really stands up over time IMHO. I can't find my copy. I'll have to look for a cheap copy somewhere online.

EF27,

The similarities are all over the place. The way you level your character up, the chips/sodas/beer/cigs for health, the ghostly images, the messages and how you receive them, etc. I'd say the only thing Bioshock lacks is the eery, eery voice of the baddie in SS2. It's a female voice that echos through the halls of abandoned spaceships. There are some mean monkies in the game that howl. I've never been as scared playing a video game as I was in SS2. (Bioshock has already had a few of those moments)

If you can find a cheap copy somewhere, you will not be dissapointed.

Definitely play SS2. Still a great game today, and do a search for high res textures for System Shock 2, as there's some out there and they help beef the graphics up a good amount. Obviously it's still outdated but definitely playable. On a pure creepiness level I think SS2 blows Bioshock away, but Bioshock improves or holds it own in every other regard(and there's no shotguns falling to pieces after 5 shots, damn you weapon degradation!)

[Pumpy Tudors]

hay guys i've never played bioshock but i heard there was a girl up in this thread confirm/deny

[spleen1015]

Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors

hay guys i've never played bioshock but i heard there was a girl up in this thread confirm/deny

Deny.

[rkmsuf]

this thread is now useless without pics

[MikeVic]

Originally Posted by rkmsuf

this thread is now useless without pics

Yeah, get on it Pumpy.

[MikeVic]

Originally Posted by StarBuck

*Taps MikeVic's foot*
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LOL Just kidding, wipe the sweat from your brow, I'm female.

I'm still not dropping the soap.

[TroyF]

Originally Posted by Calis

Definitely play SS2. Still a great game today, and do a search for high res textures for System Shock 2, as there's some out there and they help beef the graphics up a good amount. Obviously it's still outdated but definitely playable. On a pure creepiness level I think SS2 blows Bioshock away, but Bioshock improves or holds it own in every other regard(and there's no shotguns falling to pieces after 5 shots, damn you weapon degradation!)

I would agree. The atmosphere in SS2 is better than Bioshock. Everything else, it's Bioshock.

The weapons degragation was frustrating as all get out. Agree 100% there.

Into Area 4 now.

[StarBuck]

I agree.
Anyone remember the feeling when you rounded that corner and stopped because you heard the "nurses" for the first time?

God, that game rocked.

I call a game great when you have to actually stop and go do something else because your nerves are on edge. The SS series did that for me as did the Thief series. Looking Glass studios were responsible for both, if I remember correctly. Dream team. RIP Looking Glass.

MikeVic: They all say that the first time.

[MikeVic]

Oh man, now I understand why you tapped my foot.

[StarBuck]

HAHAHAAHA!!!

I saw you in that thread earlier and thought to myself..."now he gets it".

[Eaglesfan27]

I just took out a Big Daddy without even getting touched! I didn't run or hide in a nook either. I'm at the point in the game where I think I have every weapon and I used the RB to switch through several of them in the brief fight.

Spoiler

I used 3 proximity mines down a long corridor equally spread out. I used armor piercing pistol rounds from a distance to hit him 6 times quick. Then, I switched to a quick burst of machine gun armor piercing rounds. By this point, he had tripped two of the 3 mines and was hurt bad but was about to hit me (he was the charging variety.) So, then I switched to the chemical thrower with electric gel and buzzed him up close which took damage and paralyzed him and he was quickly dead! I've used so many first aid kits while fighting those guys, it was nice to take one down so cleanly.