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Great - above my expectations | 18 | 6.87% | |
Good - met most of my expectations | 66 | 25.19% | |
Average - so so, disappointed a little | 64 | 24.43% | |
Bad - sold us out | 101 | 38.55% | |
Trout - don't know yet | 13 | 4.96% | |
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12-06-2008, 11:34 PM | #101 |
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Shinseki as VA secretary. I don't think we know the full accurate story but I do remember him as standing up to Rumsfelds optimistic projects for the occupation of Iraq. Glad Shinseki has landed somewhere.
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12-06-2008, 11:38 PM | #102 | |
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Though many Americans wouldlike to believe the whole revolves around us the plain truth is some things just happen regardless of us or how we think/feel about them. So I tend to disagree that these attacks had anything at all to do with us. Last edited by Galaril : 12-06-2008 at 11:39 PM. |
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12-07-2008, 12:46 AM | #103 | |
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12-07-2008, 12:59 AM | #104 | |
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Well, basically he's the guy who put together a plan for Iraq that postulated force levels of up to 500,000 troops. After saying as much when testifying before Congress, he was chewed out publically by both Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz. This was, however, only one in a series of disagreements he had with Rumsfeld. |
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12-07-2008, 01:01 AM | #105 | |
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I wonder how much detail, though, one can put in a press release. |
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12-07-2008, 08:27 AM | #106 | |
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Forgive me for pointing out that almost ALL of the shit you spouted on about during the election and in the days since the election have turned out to be total bunk.
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12-07-2008, 11:35 AM | #107 | |
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I really hope he "gets shit done" (as long as it's good shit). But I'm facinated by the optimism. Charisma is an amazing force. |
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12-08-2008, 08:02 AM | #108 | |
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Agreed. These two articles profoundly demonstrate that the more things change, the more they stay the same......... 8 years ago: Cheney Denies 'Talking Down' Economy for Political Gain : Talk of Recession Strains Transition - International Herald Tribune Yesterday: My Way News - Obama: Economy to get worse before it improves The only real difference is the spin on what is basically the same situation. It's all the same in the end. There were people making posts just like Subby and Flasch 8 years ago on the other side. It's silly, but not unexpected. They're just caught up in the moment. It happens to the best of people. Last edited by Mizzou B-ball fan : 12-08-2008 at 08:03 AM. |
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12-08-2008, 08:45 AM | #109 |
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i point to my post a few posts above. You have totally been discredited when it comes to anything political especially any sort of speculation or prognostication.
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12-08-2008, 09:22 AM | #110 | |
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Where do you pull these from? It's not a big deal as we all borrow from other sites, but you have a habit of posting without citation. I have a hard time believing that you saw an AP article and said to yourself, "Hey that reminds me of an International Herald Tribune article from eight years ago."
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12-08-2008, 09:29 AM | #111 | |
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These two articles were posted over at the Wizbang blog. I don't agree with all of their opinion in the blog, but the articles are a good reference. Last edited by Mizzou B-ball fan : 12-08-2008 at 09:29 AM. |
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12-08-2008, 09:32 AM | #112 |
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reference for what?
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12-08-2008, 09:38 AM | #113 |
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I refer back to the title of this thread.
I hope I get my "President check" before Christmas. I predict I won't.
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12-12-2008, 12:52 PM | #114 | |
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The Obama Presidency - hopes and predictions
Personally, I'm hoping for a little bit less of this: Quote:
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12-13-2008, 12:10 PM | #115 |
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My hope is that Obama is the exception and not the norm of Illinois Democrats.
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12-17-2008, 07:33 AM | #116 | |
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Geez, my hope is beginning to be that Obama's cabinet doesn't have any more skeletons in the closet. Looks like Rahm may not be the only one who Obama failed to adequately check his background. Another one of Obama's cabinet is a main player in a new 'pay to play' investigation.......
"Pay To Play" Probe Hits New Mexico, Washington Post: Gov. Bill Richardson's Office Investigated Over Political Contributor's $1.4M State Contracts - CBS News Quote:
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12-17-2008, 08:02 AM | #117 | |
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Since you no nothing about this please stop talking. We have plenty rigs and drilling supplies for offshore. The problem is when oil drops to lower rates, it no longer worth the expense of drilling. The oil field is predicting a 50% drop in the amount of rigs this year from last in the north american drilling fields. We just had our budget cut by about 1/3 for the next year. |
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12-17-2008, 09:41 AM | #118 | |
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12-17-2008, 09:48 AM | #119 |
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12-17-2008, 09:48 AM | #120 |
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He's even sincere enough to place it in multiple threads: Front Office Football Central - View Single Post - Illinois governor arrested on corruption charges....... SI
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12-17-2008, 09:50 AM | #121 | |
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Obviously, that was in response to a question, not a post meant to double post. |
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12-17-2008, 09:53 AM | #122 | |
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Obviously, there's a great deal of sincerity going around this morning SI
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12-17-2008, 10:03 AM | #123 |
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MBBF: You've been looking for any way to discredit Obama for months. That's fine, but at least drop the "wishing him the best" act.
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12-17-2008, 10:35 AM | #124 |
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Rooting against the president?
I don't understand how people can do that. Our country is in shambles right now and whether you wanted McCain to win or Obama should not matter at this point. I hope Obama does well, because we as a country need him to do well. So everyone who is hating on him, just need to STFU and get with the program. If he sucks he will be gone in four years and our country will be in worse shape. But, we need him to do well if we want our country to recover. |
12-17-2008, 10:40 AM | #125 | |
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Agree with all of this. It's simply unheard of to think that people on this board or anyone in the general public would every root against a president. I can't remember the last time that's ever happened. |
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12-17-2008, 10:52 AM | #126 |
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MBBF, did you ever admit to being completely wrong on the elections thread?
lemme see... nope. credit = zero
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12-17-2008, 11:30 AM | #127 |
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I'm sure that Flasch's Truth Watch(TM) is just finalizing data on the criminal investigations in Chicago and New Mexico. He's never ducked an issue before. I'm certain he'll get to the bottom of these current issues. He's always been a person that seeks the truth regardless of party affiliation, and I respect him for that.
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12-17-2008, 12:03 PM | #128 |
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lets see
the prosecutor has arrested the accused the pres-elect team has investigated the prosecutor asked that the report be delayed and confirmed that the president elect and his team aren't being implicated not sure what else you want from that other than the same thing I said about Troopergate: I hope EVERYONE cooperates fully and the TRUTH comes out. I feel fairly confident though that the President isn't going to start a parallel investigation and refuse to cooperate with Fitzgerald, if he does Ill be sure to lump him in the same category as the other people who do so. you do want the same right? In all things, right? Is that what you wanted? Pretty clear huh? exactly the same as Troopergate? You, however, were VERY VERY wrong, completely biased, and never ever admitted it even when empirical un-partisan information blew up in your face. that's just crazy IMO
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12-17-2008, 06:38 PM | #129 |
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You guys realize that this continuing partisan bickering make both sides look like fools? Flasch/JPhillip/etc., don't get too cocky. You never have and still don't sound any different than MBBF/etc..
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12-17-2008, 07:33 PM | #130 |
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Buc: This is going to sound a lot bitchier than I intend it to be, but here goes. For all of your concern about other folks' behavior there's almost no one here more set in their ways than you are. I gather you see yourself as beyond partisanship, but even if that's true, you're a rather inflexible ideologue at this point.
I don't have a problem with your inflexibility and I'm willing to stipulate that I'm just as inflexible(age and parenting does that to a guy). I honestly don't have a problem with an adversarial relationship when it comes to politics as I think the genuine disagreements should be aired out. If we're ever going to change our minds it will be because of passionate argument, not deferential silence. I try to only call people out when I believe they aren't being honest, and that's what I did with MBBF. I don't have a problem with him being opposed to Obama, but concern trolling is just a way to obfuscate reality. I obviously don't agree with MBBF on substance, but that's something we can argue over if there is an attempt by both sides to show our cards. As for looking like a fool, perhaps, but as long as I'm deemed honest about my intentions I can live with that. I'm happier letting the world see me for who I am, warts and all, than I would be pretending to bathe in the warm waters of ambivalent and apathetic centrism. At the end of the day I think you believe the same thing.
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12-17-2008, 07:42 PM | #131 |
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It's interesting, both sides think that the other sides' approach to an argument is "wrong" - they feel that way, of course, because they're so sure they're "right".
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molson: I think you misunderstand the term "concern trolling". That's when you feign concern for someone or something that you in fact have no concern for. It seems pretty obvious based on his history that MBBF isn't really concerned for Obama.
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12-17-2008, 08:11 PM | #133 | |
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JPhillips, I do agree with that. I think I should not have lumped you with Flasch but instead, should put in Flere. I actually don't think what I believe would be called bi-partisanship or centrism or beyond partisanship. It's probably an attitude that the current red/blue partisans are equally wrong. Since the summer, I have seen a constant stream attacking the opposition and being defensive about one side. You can call that passionate arguing but in the end, it is really about changing parties while we continue to accept federal government solutions and increasing powers. I cannot accept that and those that argue for it. Or something like that. |
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12-17-2008, 09:10 PM | #134 |
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Bill Richardson is filthy.
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12-17-2008, 09:32 PM | #135 |
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Politician = filthy
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12-17-2008, 09:53 PM | #136 |
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Vote Ron Paul!
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12-18-2008, 08:29 AM | #137 | |
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I actually was be honest about Obama. I REALLY would prefer that we don't have any scandals in the White House at this point. Obviously, I might have a small dab of sarcasm involved in my comments, but I was being very truthful in my feeling that I hoped Obama didn't end up in any political scandals. Thus far, from a policy standpoint, I've been very happy that most of the Obama policies are moderating before our very eyes. |
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12-18-2008, 04:01 PM | #138 | |
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Actually, I really don't think it matter what exactly the president does. A lot of the current mortgage crisis were due to policies put into place before GW took office. Nor were the .coms turning to crap something Bush could have prevented. The world economy is suffering and that isn't strictly a GW problem either. I think you could put a retarted monkey in office, and these issues will clear themselves up. I'm not all that concerned with the "program." I'm more concerned about what his policies are going to do for the long haul, not the short term. |
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12-20-2008, 12:35 PM | #139 |
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Nah, we've already tried that and it badly didn't work SI
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There's a tight line we are about to walk between showing some compassion to people in tough times and trying to remove all risk from American life. It seems like most of the fear has been associated with straying too far from the first direction, but little has been devoted to worrying about the second. In 8 years, we will all have made it through this either way, I just hope we don't do long term damage to our fiscal/economic system to stave off a few years of pain (that we probably won't avoid anyway). EDIT - And for those in the republican/democrat horse race, I would be just as worried about the above if McCain had been elected. Last edited by Arles : 12-22-2008 at 12:19 AM. |
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12-28-2008, 06:12 AM | #143 | |
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Well he is an Obama supporter, I'm sure he already has
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12-29-2008, 09:37 AM | #146 |
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I'll have you know I put in my order for a pony before the election. If I don't get one by January 21st, I'm going to be pissed.
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12-29-2008, 09:56 AM | #147 | |
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12-29-2008, 10:54 AM | #149 |
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ECONOMY
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SUPREME COURT Hopes: Stevens (age: 88, reason: age), Ginsburg (75, health), Scalia (72, age), Kennedy (72, age), Breyer (70, age), and Souter (69, age/desire to retire) all retire and are replaced by young (around 50), brilliant, accomplished and just-left-of-center progressive justices. Furthermore, Thomas experiences an epiphany and changes from a reliable but incomprehensible right-wing vote to a reliable but still incomprehensible left-wing vote. Roberts decides he doesn't want to be remembered as a Chief Justice who was always in the minority and so migrates to the center. Alito doesn't change, and becomes a bitter, disillusioned man. Predictions: Early retirements for Stevens, Ginsburg and Souter. Easy confirmations for replacements who are young (50s), left-of-center but not radical, and possess very good credentials. Later retirements for Kennedy and Breyer. More difficult confirmation for replacements due to aforementioned ineptitude of Democratic leadership in Congress and increasing hostility between them and Obama White House. Eventual replacements are confirmed with good majorities (think Roberts) and are still young (50s), left-of-center but not radical, and possess very good credentials. In these later confirmations especially, the influence of "moderate" Republicans such as John McCain and Olympia Snowe are significant. FOREIGN POLICY Hopes:
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POLITICS Hopes: Obama and Biden (Biden especially) work deftly with Democratic leaders in Congress to develop cohesive democratic voting majorities that deliver lots of progressive legislation. A thoroughly demoralized GOP loses even more seats in Congress in 2010, as the Democrats gain a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate. Predictions: Democratic leadership in Congress continues to be weak and division in Democratic ranks is exploited by activist Republicans in Congress (more noticeable in the House) who attack legislation relentlessly and mercilessly. An Obama White House becomes increasingly frustrated with Democratic leadership and tension increases greatly in 2009 and 2010. In 2010 the GOP gains seats in the House, and many seats are won by activist "social conservatives". Despite this the Democrats pick up just enough seats in the Senate to go over 60, but the outlook for preserving those gains in 2012 looks especially bleak. I could probably go on, but those are probably my major thoughts. Oh, and we all get ponies (hope), er, a 0.001% tax rebate (prediction). |
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