Any interest in a media-intensive DDS:PB 95-96 On MP League?

[DeToxRox]

I registered as well.

GrizAllOverYourFace

[Ajaxab]

Registered as Ajaxab.

[JohnnyBGood]

registered as 'incognito'

Looking forward to this.

[wahoomac]

Registered as Wahoomac (who else?)

[Izulde]

Originally Posted by Coder

1995-1996 NBA Rosters (Opening Day) - Wolverine Studios

Bottom of the opening post. There's a list of files, including the starting roster file as well as 96-00 draft files.

But we're actually using a modified form of La Tulipe's 1976 On Draft Files

It's nothing against Nephrinn's draft files, which I'm sure are quite good. It's just that with La Tulipe's files, we have a consistent base draft file maker up to the 2005 draft versus 2000 with Nephrinn's.

But yes, that's the starting roster file.

[Izulde]

dola,

We should have everyone through heybrad authorized now on the boards.

[DaddyTorgo]

i'm waiting till i find out what team i get

[Izulde]

Originally Posted by tarcone

Exciting stuff.
I was tooling around the demo and came across a renounce day. Im not real sure what renouncing is. I may struggle at the start with the financials, so bear with me please.

Renouncing means you're renouncing your Bird rights to the player.

With Bird rights retained, you're able to offer more years and more money to retain the player than other teams will.

If you renounce your rights, then you can only offer the same max money and years as everyone else (assuming cap space of course).

On the other hand, if you renounce a player, his salary then comes off your cap number.

[Gary Gorski]

I'm going to post a guide to salaries for DDS:PB2 sometime next week. It will have a good explanation of how things work in terms of salaries in DDS:PB (as well as the new options that will be available in DDS:PB2)

[Izulde]

Originally Posted by Autumn

All right, I'm logged in over there as Aeon. I think this will be fun. The thing I need to figure out if contracts. I don't know anything about the NBA's financial system, really. It seems you can operate over the cap, what penalty is there for doing that?

In solo player DDS, if you're over the cap too much you can get fired.

I'm considering using a version of the financial system from the other MP league I was in, where if you exceeded the cap by a certain amount, you could lose your low-level and mid-level exceptions, etc.

[Gary Gorski]

Originally Posted by tarcone

Exciting stuff.
I was tooling around the demo and came across a renounce day. Im not real sure what renouncing is. I may struggle at the start with the financials, so bear with me please.

I figured I would post a little about this in case people are playing with the demo over the holiday weekend.

In the NBA there is something called the "Bird Exception" - this allows teams to resign their own player when he becomes a free agent to any amount they want up to the maximum salary as long as he has played at least 3 consecutive seasons (bird years) for any one team or combo of teams as long as he was not cut or was not simply signed as a free agent.

Now, if your team is over the salary cap you can continue to sign your own free agents and rookies drafted but you can only sign other teams free agents to either a minimum contract or using one of the exceptions. Lets say you have a really good player who makes like 15 million dollars and your team is right at the cap. Well he's a free agent and so is another superstar. You might think that since your player is a free agent his 15 million comes off the books and you could use that 15 million to sign the other guy and then go offer your guy whatever you want with his bird rights....that's where renouncing contracts comes in.

When your players become free agents they are assigned a number (basically a raise on the final year of thier previous contract) and that number counts against your cap until you either resign the player (then his new contract counts), someone else signs him (then his contract is off the books) or you renounce his contract. If you renounce his contract then his "assigned contract" no longer counts against your cap and the player is stripped of his bird rights. You can still sign him but if you are over the cap then you only have the options you would have if he was someone else's free agent.

Basically, if you want to resign the guy do not renounce his rights. If you don't want anything to do with him and want his money off the books then renounce him.

[Gary Gorski]

Originally Posted by Autumn

All right, I'm logged in over there as Aeon. I think this will be fun. The thing I need to figure out if contracts. I don't know anything about the NBA's financial system, really. It seems you can operate over the cap, what penalty is there for doing that?

There's no real penalty for it in the game unless you are playing with the ability to be fired turned on and your owner told you not to spend that much.

In the NBA the penalty is the luxury tax (the real $). Teams who spend over the luxury cap limit are taxed extra on those players and that gets very expensive in a hurry. There's no better penalty than an empty wallet

[Autumn]

Thanks Gary, that's helpful. I've never payed attention to the financials but now I've gotta!

[Izulde]

Available Teams
Philadelphia 76ers
New Jersey Nets
Milwaukee Bucks
Golden State Warriors

This is really 3 teams left because DT is going to take whatever last team is.

Philly strikes me as a tweener team, the Bucks and Nets are in rebuilding mode, though Milwaukee has some nice guys in Vin Baker and Glenn "Big Dog" Robinson and Golden State is a definite playoff team, maybe even a West contender with the right move or two.

[Izulde]

And thanks for the financial info Gary. That's much more clearly stated than mine.

[Gary Gorski]

No problem - like I said I'm going to post some salary stuff for DDS:PB2 next week which will explain the financials pretty well. In addition to all the stuff DDS:PB has DDS:PB2 will introduce restricted free agency, qualifying offers and player/team/early termination options on contracts.

In addition to that DDS:PB2 is also going to have a limited financial model which will eliminate bird rights, options, trade restrictions and let you operate with a hard cap rather than the "soft cap" in the normal mode. That is if you play as a NBA team - if you choose to play as one of the European teams you'll get an annual budget and can spend whatever money you have available to you that season (kind of like getting your annual recruiting budget in DDS:CB)

Not that any of that pertains to this league - just thought I would mention it in case any of you are interested in the upcoming next version of the game.

[tarcone]

Thanks for the help, Gary. That helped me out a lot.

[Chief Rum]

Hip2Clip has registered at the forum. Just awaiting confirmation.

[JeeberD]

Originally Posted by Izulde

Golden State is a definite playoff team, maybe even a West contender with the right move or two.

One of those moves would be to trade Tim Hardaway to Houston. Trust me, it WILL happen...

[cschex]

Registered as cmschex

[Izulde]

Everyone authorized through cschex

[TLK]

I'll grab Golden State. I'll register when I get back tonight.

[Autumn]

Come on now, two more, two more.

[Johnny93g]

I registered

[bhlloy]

I would really like to take the Nets, but like I mentioned earlier, I'm out of the country until June 2nd. If that isn't going to work with the league schedule, of course I understand.

[mh2365]

registered over on the forum as mh2365 of course

[JeeberD]

I'll be sure to register tomorrow...

[Cap Ologist]

I'll take Milwaukee if they're still available, and registered as Michael.

[mh2365]

Just waiting to be authorized

[tarcone]

Cool, it sounds like we are full.

[Izulde]

Originally Posted by bhlloy

I would really like to take the Nets, but like I mentioned earlier, I'm out of the country until June 2nd. If that isn't going to work with the league schedule, of course I understand.

Nope, it'll be fine. You may miss some sims, but we won't count you as inactive. So you've got the Nets.

[Izulde]

Okay, Cap Ologist, you have the Bucks, TLK you have the Warriors, so that leaves you the 76ers, DT.

And we are full!

[Izulde]

Okay, I believe I've authorized everyone through Michael now.

[Coder]

So now it begins! My chance to make a fool out of myself in a media intensive league about a sport I don't know much about!

Seriously, looking forward to this.

[Autumn]

You could take advantage of that, the new Owner-GM, full of money, doesn't know anything about basketball :-) It could be legendary, you could be the Al Davis of our league.

[DeToxRox]

Rather then risk it I am going to tank every game for 7 or 8 years so I can land Bron Bron.

[Izulde]

Originally Posted by DeToxRox

Rather then risk it I am going to tank every game for 7 or 8 years so I can land Bron Bron.

I knew I forgot something in the league rules. Thanks for the reminder!

[DeToxRox]

Originally Posted by Izulde

I knew I forgot something in the league rules. Thanks for the reminder!

Hey, my scouts are telling me Cheroke Parks is worth the top pick.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by DeToxRox

Hey, my scouts are telling me Cheroke Parks is worth the top pick.

We aren't competing in a flat top contest.

[DaddyTorgo]

76ers - cool

I also will be computer-less until probably June 2nd - just FYI. At least that's what HP's website said the other day - I should go and check and see if that's been updated though.

[JohnnyBGood]

Just curious if the draft class ratings are based on historical statistics or if there is volatility with the prospects. For example will Michael Olowokandi be the top prospect in 98? And then is he either guaranteed to be a bust (in which case no one should draft him high) or will the game determine how they pan out?

If it is a case where real life performance totally dictates their DDSPB performance, than I suppose there won't be much of a strategy at all here.

[Izulde]

Originally Posted by JohnnyBGood

Just curious if the draft class ratings are based on historical statistics or if there is volatility with the prospects. For example will Michael Olowokandi be the top prospect in 98? And then is he either guaranteed to be a bust (in which case no one should draft him high) or will the game determine how they pan out?

If it is a case where real life performance totally dictates their DDSPB performance, than I suppose there won't be much of a strategy at all here.

They're used with La Tulipe's draft files as the basis and then some modifications to that base.

My guess is that La Tulipe based his draft files largely on what their eventual careers turned out to be; however, there's no 100% guarantee as to who will turn out great and who won't. Playing time is crucial to development of rookies and that makes the high school players, who will naturally be much more raw, that much more of a gamble.

There's also the question of system, etc.

So it's a combination of the two, I suppose. Taber's done most of the editing of the database, though I'll be making some changes myself, based on what I've seen so far in my historical dynasty, which uses just the raw La Tulipe files.

[bighouserulez]

Since we are full are we going to be able to get the game discount and rosters going today?

[Gary Gorski]

I will go into my webstore later tonight and change the price to $14.95 and leave it that way until Thursday morning so you will have all day Wednesday to grab it or maybe even be able to get it tonight depending on what time I can get to my computer to swap it when I get home from work.

[DaddyTorgo]

gary's the best!

[Passacaglia]

Registrado.

[Cap Ologist]

Do we have a launch date set yet?

[Izulde]

My guess is somewhere between Friday and Monday.

I want to give people at least a day to tinker around with the game, etc, before we officially start. Plus, there may be some more changes to the rules before we fully kick off.

[Gary Gorski]

Ok the store should reflect the updated price - I will leave it up until Thursday morning

[Autumn]

I'm set with the program, thanks for the deal, Gary. I've downloaded the roster Zip. What can/should I do at this point? Are there going to be league files we need to download?