Obama wins Nobel Peace Prize??? - Page 3

ISiddiqui · 10-09-2009, 11:43 AM

Two reactions I had to this: WTF?!! and LMAO!!

My friend (a massive liberal) texted me and said if disliking Bush is the only qualification to get a Nobel Peace Prize, maybe I should nominate myself next time.

stevew · 10-09-2009, 11:44 AM

This is like Gladiator and Crash both winning best picture Oscars.

ISiddiqui · 10-09-2009, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by stevew

This is like Gladiator ... winning best picture Oscars.

Oh... now you've done it...

stevew · 10-09-2009, 11:47 AM

Or Braveheart.

Ronnie Dobbs2 · 10-09-2009, 11:47 AM

stevew is crushing this thread.

Honolulu_Blue · 10-09-2009, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by mtolson

Obama has had to deal with more crap in his first 9 months in office than MANY of the other presidents. Based on politics today, I can't believe anyone really thought he would be able to turn things around in that short of a period. It's gonna take some time to right that ship. To me, him winning this award shows the impart he is having on the international community with regard to our standing in it. Instead of bitching about it, I see it as a positive for ALL of us in that aspect. We should be proud that a US president is obtaining this level of respect !

Well said.

I am not sure if the award is really warranted, but the situation in this coutnry that Obama inherited was pretty awful. Some of it was beyond anyone's control and some of it was due to the horrible leadership this country suffered through the previous 8 years. I haven't been blown away by Obama and haven't agreed with a lot of things he's said and done, but it's still very early yet.

I do find the quotes from the DNC official to be incredibly embarassing. It's taken directly from the Conservative Party/Republican 101 Post-9/11 Handbook. It's pathetic when you have to stoop that level.

In any event, I have never really paid any attention to who won the Nobel Peace Prize before and will continue to do so.

CamEdwards · 10-09-2009, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by cartman

Sorry, I guess I missed the subtle nuance obviously in play about being happy that the US missed out on something that would reflect well upon the country was the same as mocking an award that reflects well upon the country.

If anybody's exhibiting butthurt in this thread, it's people like you who get upset when folks like me don't tow the emotional party line.

Sorry I wasn't heartbroken when Chicago didn't get the Olympics. That doesn't mean I won't be cheering on Team USA when they compete in Rio. Similarly, if Obama turns into a kick ass foreign policy president and wins a second Nobel Peace Prize at the end of his presidency (or afterwards), I'll be happy for him.

But I'm not going to cry crocodile tears over Chicago not getting the Olympics, when I would have been watching them on TV either way. And I'm not going to say "Oh yay, Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize" anymore than I did when Jimmy Carter won.

Again, I'm not upset or angry or anything other than amused. Increasingly, I'm more amused by the reactions of people like JPhillips and yourself than I am by the actual NPP.

Ronnie Dobbs2 · 10-09-2009, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by mtolson

Obama has had to deal with more crap in his first 9 months in office than MANY of the other presidents. Based on politics today, I can't believe anyone really thought he would be able to turn things around in that short of a period. It's gonna take some time to right that ship. To me, him winning this award shows the impart he is having on the international community with regard to our standing in it. Instead of bitching about it, I see it as a positive for ALL of us in that aspect. We should be proud that a US president is obtaining this level of respect !

So, what has Obama done since taking the reins? How long a grace period does he have before its reasonable to expect results?

Even with the health care debate he has been entirely too passive.

CamEdwards · 10-09-2009, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by larrymcg421

Wait, you mean we have to vote again in November? Fuck! I'm assuming that Presidential terms are only 1 year now, because that's the only way it makes sense to criticize him for "unfulfilled campaign rhetoric" 8 months into his presidency.

I believe the criticism was directed at the Nobel Committee for giving the award to someone based on unfilled campaign rhetoric, rather than at Obama himself for not stopping the oceans from rising in his first 8 months in office.

RomaGoth · 10-09-2009, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by stevew

Or Braveheart.

Ok, NOW you have just gone over the top.

stevew · 10-09-2009, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2

So, what has Obama done since taking the reins? How long a grace period does he have before its reasonable to expect results?

Even with the health care debate he has been entirely too passive.

Honestly if Obama just threw all the financial crooks in jail, i'd vote for him in 2012, and I despise his politics.

Greyroofoo · 10-09-2009, 11:52 AM

I liked Gladiator

CamEdwards · 10-09-2009, 11:54 AM

Wow. Lotta "butt hurt" out there. And damn the Associated Press and their conservative bias.

cartman · 10-09-2009, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by CamEdwards

If anybody's exhibiting butthurt in this thread, it's people like you who get upset when folks like me don't tow the emotional party line.

Sorry I wasn't heartbroken when Chicago didn't get the Olympics. That doesn't mean I won't be cheering on Team USA when they compete in Rio. Similarly, if Obama turns into a kick ass foreign policy president and wins a second Nobel Peace Prize at the end of his presidency (or afterwards), I'll be happy for him.

But I'm not going to cry crocodile tears over Chicago not getting the Olympics, when I would have been watching them on TV either way. And I'm not going to say "Oh yay, Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize" anymore than I did when Jimmy Carter won.

Again, I'm not upset or angry or anything other than amused. Increasingly, I'm more amused by the reactions of people like JPhillips and yourself than I am by the actual NPP.

If that is how you felt, then why did you think my posts were directed at you? My posts didn't describe your reactions as you put them. In any event, where did you get the impression I was upset? I haven't posted my reaction one way or the other, I merely was observing what I saw as an interesting response between two world events.

CamEdwards · 10-09-2009, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by cartman

If that is how you felt, then why did you think my posts were directed at you? My posts didn't describe your reactions as you put them. In any event, where did you get the impression I was upset? I haven't posted my reaction one way or the other, I merely was observing what I saw as an interesting response between two world events.

Ah. Remarking on "conservative butt hurt" in this thread has now become "observing an interesting response between two world events."

Don't tell me words don't matter!

And as one of the more vocal conservatives in this thread (and certainly well in line with what other conservatives were saying), why wouldn't I think I was included in your generalized statement? Perhaps next time, when accusing posters of "butt hurt", you could just call them out by name?

RomaGoth · 10-09-2009, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

Honestly if Obama just threw all the financial crooks in jail, i'd vote for him in 2012, and I despise his politics.

I think that ship sailed with the General Motors fiasco.

cartman · 10-09-2009, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by CamEdwards

Ah. Remarking on "conservative butt hurt" in this thread has now become "observing an interesting response between two world events."

Don't tell me words don't matter!

And as one of the more vocal conservatives in this thread (and certainly well in line with what other conservatives were saying), why wouldn't I think I was included in your generalized statement? Perhaps next time, when accusing posters of "butt hurt", you could just call them out by name?

Well, I guess you stopped reading at "conservative", and didn't catch the further "words that mattered" that described the scenario I saw as butt hurt.

Swaggs · 10-09-2009, 12:12 PM

Two more thoughts --

1.) I bet NASA is glad that this announcement happened today. Now it won't be at the forefront of the news or be the lead story on the nightly talk shows.

2.) Like any political gold (for both ends of the political spectrum), I'm guessing the GOP and right-leaning media are going to overmilk this cow and end up making themselves look like as big of a joke as this whole situation. Polticians and the media cannot seem to help themselves -- they are unable to sit back, laugh, and enjoy a gift when it is delivered to their front door.

CamEdwards · 10-09-2009, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by cartman

Well, I guess you stopped reading at "conservative", and didn't catch the further "words that mattered" that described the scenario I saw as butt hurt.

Well, considering I don't see any conservative butt hurt in this thread (hell, even JiMG was giggling), I did assume that your characterization of "gloating over Chicago not getting the Olympics" applied to pretty much every conservative in the this thread who didn't express sorrow over Rio beating Chicago.

Again, all of this could be cleared up if you'd just call out the butt-hurters (hurt-butts?) by name, instead of making over generalized remarks about "conservatives".

CamEdwards · 10-09-2009, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

Two more thoughts --

2.) Like any political gold (for both ends of the political spectrum), I'm guessing the GOP and right-leaning media are going to overmilk this cow and end up making themselves look like as big of a joke as this whole situation. Polticians and the media cannot seem to help themselves -- they are unable to sit back, laugh, and enjoy a gift when it is delivered to their front door.

You're probably right. I'm sure someone has already started a "Palin for Peace Prize '10" facebook group... or will soon.

cartman · 10-09-2009, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by CamEdwards

I did assume that your characterization of "gloating over Chicago not getting the Olympics" applied to pretty much every conservative in the this thread who didn't express sorrow over Rio beating Chicago.

Well, I assume then that your definition of gloating is much different than mine, if that is how you interpreted it.

In my book, sorrow was the reaction of the Mizzou players on the sideline of last night's game. Gloating was the reaction of many posters (myself included) to MBBF's postings in the College Football Week 6 thread.

mtolson · 10-09-2009, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2

So, what has Obama done since taking the reins? How long a grace period does he have before its reasonable to expect results?

Even with the health care debate he has been entirely too passive.

Are you implying that he is sitting on his ass not working toward solving the US problems ? He's not trying to put forth his initiatives despite all the wonderful help he's getting from the egg-heads in congress ? To me, his first 9 months are no different than any other president coming into office for the first time. His grade at this point is INCOMPLETE, just like the grade for most 1st term presidents in the first year of action.

In fact, the obstacles put in front of him are substantially greater than any other president in history. His every move is treated with the utmost scrutiny possible. Picks a private school for his kids, everyone is up in arms. Wife hires the same number of staffers as every other first lady, she's going overboard. Some of the silliest crap you can imagine. He's been stereotyped as negatively as possible. Everything about this man and his family is looked at in the finest of microscopes just waiting to pounce on the smallest issue.

Ronnie Dobbs2 · 10-09-2009, 12:39 PM

I'm guessing by the fact that you didn't answer my pretty straightforward questions he hasn't done much of anything. What you see as my implications are coming from your own head. I voted for Obama, by the way.

RomaGoth · 10-09-2009, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by mtolson

Everything about this man and his family is looked at in the finest of microscopes just waiting to pounce on the smallest issue.

How is this different than any other president?

Ronnie Dobbs2 · 10-09-2009, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by mtolson

In fact, the obstacles put in front of him are substantially greater than any other president in history.

Also, this line is at best debatable.

FWIW I'm not giving him an F, I agree he's got an INC as well, but to continue this analogy his quarter-term progress report to his parents is marked "needs improvement."

Raiders Army · 10-09-2009, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by mtolson

Are you implying that he is sitting on his ass not working toward solving the US problems ? He's not trying to put forth his initiatives despite all the wonderful help he's getting from the egg-heads in congress ? To me, his first 9 months are no different than any other president coming into office for the first time. His grade at this point is INCOMPLETE, just like the grade for most 1st term presidents in the first year of action.

In fact, the obstacles put in front of him are substantially greater than any other president in history. His every move is treated with the utmost scrutiny possible. Picks a private school for his kids, everyone is up in arms. Wife hires the same number of staffers as every other first lady, she's going overboard. Some of the silliest crap you can imagine. He's been stereotyped as negatively as possible. Everything about this man and his family is looked at in the finest of microscopes just waiting to pounce on the smallest issue.

The INCOMPLETE is why he doesn't deserve any prizes yet. Just because you were presented with obstacles or problems doesn't mean you deserve an award. That's where your argument fails utterly.

flere-imsaho · 10-09-2009, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

And Obama is not even comparable to the Nazi's anyways. The Nazi's got the olympics.

OK, I LOLed.

JediKooter · 10-09-2009, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Two reactions I had to this: WTF?!! and LMAO!!

My friend (a massive liberal) texted me and said if disliking Bush is the only qualification to get a Nobel Peace Prize, maybe I should nominate myself next time.

I do believe anyone can nominate anyone for the prize, if I remember correctly.

larrymcg421 · 10-09-2009, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2

So, what has Obama done since taking the reins? How long a grace period does he have before its reasonable to expect results?

Even with the health care debate he has been entirely too passive.

*Repealed the Bush stem cell policy.

*Eased requirement for filing employment discrimination lawsuits (Lily Ledbetter Act).

*Appointed first Hispanic to the Supreme Court.

*Stimulus - American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009

*Auto bailout/Cash for Clunkers.

*Renewed and expanded SCHIP

*Increased environmental regulations on power plants, oil refineries, etc.

Flasch186 · 10-09-2009, 01:12 PM

Im Jewish.

CamEdwards · 10-09-2009, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by cartman

Well, I assume then that your definition of gloating is much different than mine, if that is how you interpreted it.

In my book, sorrow was the reaction of the Mizzou players on the sideline of last night's game. Gloating was the reaction of many posters (myself included) to MBBF's postings in the College Football Week 6 thread.

Well, us conservatives is stupid sometimes, which is why it would just be easier for you to call out the people who were acting all butt-hurt by name.

JediKooter · 10-09-2009, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Flasch186

Im Jewish.

But are you president?

RomaGoth · 10-09-2009, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by larrymcg421

*Repealed the Bush stem cell policy.

*Eased requirement for filing employment discrimination lawsuits (Lily Ledbetter Act).

*Appointed first Hispanic to the Supreme Court.

*Stimulus - American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009

*Auto bailout/Cash for Clunkers.

*Renewed and expanded SCHIP

*Increased environmental regulations on power plants, oil refineries, etc.

These "results" are debatable in their usefulness and there are a lot of long term effects from some of them that won't be truly recognized for many years.

Ronnie Dobbs2 · 10-09-2009, 01:30 PM

larry, I started to type up a point by point response but I don't really have the time to get into it. I think that if you could show those as Obama's accomplishments (many of which are debatable, especially since the stem cell move was neutered by his signing the Omnibus) to voters in October, a LOT of people who voted for him would be pretty upset. He doesn't seem to have any kind of cohesive policy or plan and is FAR too reactive. I know I didn't vote for that list of accomplishments.

larrymcg421 · 10-09-2009, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2

larry, I started to type up a point by point response but I don't really have the time to get into it. I think that if you could show those as Obama's accomplishments (many of which are debatable, especially since the stem cell move was neutered by his signing the Omnibus) to voters in October, a LOT of people who voted for him would be pretty upset. He doesn't seem to have any kind of cohesive policy or plan and is FAR too reactive. I know I didn't vote for that list of accomplishments.

What did you vote for? What do you reasonably think he could have accomplished in 8 months? I mean, alot of that is pretty significant.

And that's not a whole list, just some stuff I threw together. I mean, people are acting like he hasn't done anything, which is just a ridiculous argument.

mtolson · 10-09-2009, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Raiders Army

The INCOMPLETE is why he doesn't deserve any prizes yet. Just because you were presented with obstacles or problems doesn't mean you deserve an award. That's where your argument fails utterly.

I never argued that he deserved the award. I just stated that as a country we should be proud of his standing internationally.

mtolson · 10-09-2009, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2

Also, this line is at best debatable.

FWIW I'm not giving him an F, I agree he's got an INC as well, but to continue this analogy his quarter-term progress report to his parents is marked "needs improvement."

There first black president of the US is undoubtedly going to face obsticles that no other president has had to face ! I would love to think that we are past racism but we are not. Can you honestly say that the public (negative side that is) has treated other past president that they disapprove of the way he has been treated.

Now the "needs improvement" part I got a real big LOL. I agree.

Ronnie Dobbs2 · 10-09-2009, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by larrymcg421

What did you vote for? What do you reasonably think he could have accomplished in 8 months? I mean, alot of that is pretty significant.

And that's not a whole list, just some stuff I threw together. I mean, people are acting like he hasn't done anything, which is just a ridiculous argument.

I voted for a cohesive plan to end the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and I see little evidence of that.

I voted for leadership when it comes to gay rights, and I see little evidence of that.

I voted for an end to torture, rendition, and the Gitmo mess, and I see little evidence of that.

My biggest complaint is that I haven't seen much actual leadership from the White House at all. What has Obama picked up and effectively carried through the legislative process? A lot of the things you mentioned in your post were done in his first month in office, so why is it unreasonable to expect him to have done something in the seven months since? I don't necessarily agree with his health plan but even in that he's been more than happy to relinquish the initiative to Reid, Pelosi and the Republicans.

mtolson · 10-09-2009, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by RomaGoth

These "results" are debatable in their usefulness and there are a lot of long term effects from some of them that won't be truly recognized for many years.

This is exactly why I didn't go throught the effort of listing achievements. He doesn't have a home run hitter therefor anything he has done is negated. Just not worth the effort of typing.

Maybe someone can answer this for me:

Given the political climate (from both parties) what did you really expect for him to accomplish in 9 months (as a home run hitter type accomplishment) ?

molson · 10-09-2009, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by mtolson

Can you honestly say that the public (negative side that is) has treated other past president that they disapprove of the way he has been treated.

The last one was treated worse. The one before that was treated about as bad. The one before that was treated better. The one before that is a little trickier - certainly a smaller, more irrelevant amount of dissaproval, but it was pretty nasty at times .

Ronnie Dobbs2 · 10-09-2009, 02:10 PM

I would say Lincoln was treated pretty poorly.

RomaGoth · 10-09-2009, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by molson

...The one before that is a little trickier - certainly a smaller, more irrelevant amount of dissaproval, but it was pretty nasty at times .

He still gets it too, even after death.

MikeVic · 10-09-2009, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors

It's because Nakobov always falls apart in the playoffs.

Don't worry Pumpy, I thought this was funny.

gkb · 10-09-2009, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2

stevew is crushing this thread.

RomaGoth · 10-09-2009, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2

I would say Lincoln was treated pretty poorly.

Depending upon the context you are referring to, I would agree and add that JFK had it pretty rough too, especially at the end.

Ronnie Dobbs2 · 10-09-2009, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by RomaGoth

Depending upon the context you are referring to, I would agree and add that JFK had it pretty rough too, especially at the end.

No, I was more referring to the climate Lincoln faced in 1860, though it wasn't dissimilar to what ended up happening.

Daimyo · 10-09-2009, 02:21 PM

Give an example of a president who accomplished a lot in their first 9 months. What did they accomplish?

larrymcg421 · 10-09-2009, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2

I would say Lincoln was treated pretty poorly.

I'm still pretty upset that he didn't end slavery in 8 months.

molson · 10-09-2009, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Daimyo

Give an example of a president who accomplished a lot in their first 9 months. What did they accomplish?

I certainly can't think of one that promised more than Obama.

He gets four years like everyone else, but there's no way he can deliver all his promises. Certainly not after blowing the first 9 months.

If I'm wrong, I'll definitely vote for him in 2012. Because he basically promised he'll be the best president in history.

Oilers9911 · 10-09-2009, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

And just wait til they find out he bombed the moon this morning, boy will they look silly then.

Come on Jon, the moon was fucking asking for it.

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Ronnie Dobbs2 Pro Rookie Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Bahston Mass	I'm guessing by the fact that you didn't answer my pretty straightforward questions he hasn't done much of anything. What you see as my implications are coming from your own head. I voted for Obama, by the way. __________________ There's no I in Teamocil, at least not where you'd think

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Ronnie Dobbs2 Pro Rookie Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Bahston Mass	larry, I started to type up a point by point response but I don't really have the time to get into it. I think that if you could show those as Obama's accomplishments (many of which are debatable, especially since the stem cell move was neutered by his signing the Omnibus) to voters in October, a LOT of people who voted for him would be pretty upset. He doesn't seem to have any kind of cohesive policy or plan and is FAR too reactive. I know I didn't vote for that list of accomplishments. __________________ There's no I in Teamocil, at least not where you'd think

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