Which great show blew it the most at the end? - Page 3

Raiders Army · 12-13-2005, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Kodos

No way!!! They got to blow up the entire town!!!!

I'm not sure that was the final episode. Didn't they all move to a city or something after that?

Kodos · 12-13-2005, 03:29 PM

As far as I know, the blowing up town episode was the finale. But I could be wrong.

cuervo72 · 12-13-2005, 03:30 PM

So which was better, Little House blowing up the town, or Sledge Hammer blowing up LA?

Raiders Army · 12-13-2005, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Kodos

As far as I know, the blowing up town episode was the finale. But I could be wrong.

Aha. You were right. The last episode aired Monday, February 6, 1984.

For some reason I remember them going to the city for a while...

st.cronin · 12-13-2005, 03:36 PM

Not a tv show, but god did Star Wars suck at the end.

Honolulu_Blue · 12-13-2005, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

Not a tv show, but god did Star Wars suck at the end.

As did The Matrix.

gkb · 12-13-2005, 03:48 PM

I'm trying to remember if I enjoyed the ending of Cheers...but I can't remember if I did or didn't like it. The only thing that sticks out in my mind is that Jay Leno did some kind of special on his show where they were in the bar that Cheers was based on. I think all the actors were pretty blasted by the time Jay showed up.

Desmond · 12-13-2005, 03:48 PM

I always thought the SledgeHammer finale was awesome.

And I agree that the Night Court finale, along with the last couple seasons, was just putrid. It really brought down the legacy of the show. I've always argued that at their peaks Night Court was every bit as good as Cheers.

Bad-example · 12-13-2005, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by BucDawg40

The Prisoner had the worst ending ever, IMHO.

Thanks for playing, but The Prisoner is the coolest tv show of all time.

That is all.

sterlingice · 12-13-2005, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by gkb

I'm trying to remember if I enjoyed the ending of Cheers...but I can't remember if I did or didn't like it. The only thing that sticks out in my mind is that Jay Leno did some kind of special on his show where they were in the bar that Cheers was based on. I think all the actors were pretty blasted by the time Jay showed up.

Well, it has to do with bringing Dianne back to the bar- her and Sam both lie about being with someone and kindof end up together. And Rebecca ends up with Tom Berenger, iirc. Woody's still basking in that silly elected-to-city-council plot. Then there's a lot of reminiscing and Sam closes up the bar (not for good, but for the night) and that's how the episode and series end.

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moriarty · 12-13-2005, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by gkb

I'm trying to remember if I enjoyed the ending of Cheers...but I can't remember if I did or didn't like it. The only thing that sticks out in my mind is that Jay Leno did some kind of special on his show where they were in the bar that Cheers was based on. I think all the actors were pretty blasted by the time Jay showed up.

Heh, heh that's all I remember too.

My vote goes to Twin Peaks. Man I was so sucked in at the beginning wanting to know who killed Laura etc... and then it crashed hard and the ending was an unresolved mess. Makes me fearful everytime I watch Lost.

FWIW I thought the ending to the British version of the Office was one of the better handled finales in recent memory.

Buccaneer · 12-13-2005, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by gkb

I'm trying to remember if I enjoyed the ending of Cheers...but I can't remember if I did or didn't like it. The only thing that sticks out in my mind is that Jay Leno did some kind of special on his show where they were in the bar that Cheers was based on. I think all the actors were pretty blasted by the time Jay showed up.

Except for Fraiser, he was so drugged up that he was falling off the stool.

I liked Cheers but thought it was a little too pretentious and Night Court at its peak was far funnier. I don't know, I think Kirstie was even less funnier than Shelly.

The only show that I though improved when they brought a new cast in was MASH. I can't believe how unwatchable that show was with the early cast and how great it was when they brought in Potter, BJ and Charles.

moriarty · 12-13-2005, 03:57 PM

I can't make my mind up on the final to Sports Night either. I don't recall if they knew it was going to be the last episode or not. It ended OK, but it left me really wanting to see more episodes ... not content in knowing it was over.

Kodos · 12-13-2005, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice

Well, it has to do with bringing Dianne back to the bar- her and Sam both lie about being with someone and kindof end up together. And Rebecca ends up with Tom Berenger, iirc. Woody's still basking in that silly elected-to-city-council plot. Then there's a lot of reminiscing and Sam closes up the bar (not for good, but for the night) and that's how the episode and series end.

SI

I'm pretty sure Sam and Diane don't end up together. I thought at the end he just had the bar, and said something about "I'm the luckiest guy in the world."

sterlingice · 12-13-2005, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Kodos

I'm pretty sure Sam and Diane don't end up together. I thought at the end he just had the bar, and said something about "I'm the luckiest guy in the world."

Yeah, that's true- I think I had the word "kindof" in there but must have messed with it while editing. Yeah, they didn't end up together permanently but got together for a second.

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moriarty · 12-13-2005, 04:00 PM

I don't even remeber a show called Slegehammer. WTF?

sterlingice · 12-13-2005, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by moriarty

I can't make my mind up on the final to Sports Night either. I don't recall if they knew it was going to be the last episode or not. It ended OK, but it left me really wanting to see more episodes ... not content in knowing it was over.

Unfortunately, I don't think Sports Night can be considered a "great show" on the grounds that it was just too short. That and about half of the second season was just nails-on-chalkboard with a lot of character destruction and wholly stupid and Seinfeldian plots. It was one of the best shows I've ever seen for parts of it, but there were some merely mortal parts of it, and it was only 2 seasons long. That said, I did like the finale, and, yes, I did badly want more episodes after seeing that.

EDIT: It was even more of a shame as it had just started back on the upswing after pretty much slash-and-burning most of the stupid second season plots (Dan in therapy, the Casey dating plan, Natalie's retarded squabbles leading to Jeremy + porn star plot, etc) in the Draft Day 2 parter.

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Fonzie · 12-13-2005, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

I thought the finale of Star Trek the Next Generation was excellent. A beautiful 2 hours of TV, even if the final season of the show was wildly uneven. Many bad/stupid episodes in there, though a few decent ones.

I feel the same way, and would go so far as to say that the Next Generation series finale would've made an excellent movie. At the very least it would've been far better than all but one or two of the Trek movies to date.

Kodos · 12-13-2005, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

Not a tv show, but god did Star Wars suck at the end.

The Terminator series should have stopped after T2.

Honolulu_Blue · 12-13-2005, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Fonzie

I feel the same way, and would go so far as to say that the Next Generation series finale would've made an excellent movie. At the very least it would've been far better than all but one or two of the Trek movies to date.

Agreed. I think perhaps only "Khan" and "First Contact" were better. Other than that... I'd be happy to watch the finale again.

Honolulu_Blue · 12-13-2005, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Kodos

The Terminator series should have stopped after T2.

I didn't think T3 was all that bad. I had very low expectations for it, but I found it to be pretty entertaining. Though, by no means anywhere near as good as the first one or second one for that matter.

sterlingice · 12-13-2005, 04:13 PM

I thought T3 was pretty bad- but it had a high standard to live up to. As a stand alone action movie, by todays standards, I guess it's not too bad. However, T2 was from that "golden age" of action movies when they were not only "good action movies" but, I think, "good movies". Where even if the acting was "action movie" quality, the cinematography was great and the stories were good.

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Kodos · 12-13-2005, 04:14 PM

I think T2 is the standard by which all other action movies should be judged.

Honolulu_Blue · 12-13-2005, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Kodos

I think T2 is the standard by which all other action movies should be judged.

I used to think this exact same thing. I used to think that T2 was the peak of action filmmaking as far as effects, actions sequences, etc. go. The meat and potatoes of an action film. I think other action movies are better films (e.g., Aliens, Die Hard, T1, etc.), but T2 had a look and feel to it that I had never seen or experienced before.

Then came... The Matrix. Watching the first movie I was completely blown away. The effects and action sequences were like none I had seen before. Just so slick and well done. It became the new pinnacle for action films. I am still waiting for something to top it.

Desmond · 12-13-2005, 04:20 PM

I always thought the SledgeHammer finale was awesome.

And I agree that the Night Court finale, along with the last couple seasons, was just putrid. It really brought down the legacy of the show. I've always argued that at their peaks Night Court was every bit as good as Cheers.

And I loved the Sports Night final if only for the great line "Anybody who can't make money off a show like Sports Night shouldn't be in the buisness of making money"

sterlingice · 12-13-2005, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

I used to think this exact same thing. I used to think that T2 was the peak of action filmmaking as far as effects, actions sequences, etc. go. The meat and potatoes of an action film. I think other action movies are better films (e.g., Aliens, Die Hard, T1, etc.), but T2 had a look and feel to it that I had never seen or experienced before.

Then came... The Matrix. Watching the first movie I was completely blown away. The effects and action sequences were like none I had seen before. Just so slick and well done. It became the new pinnacle for action films. I am still waiting for something to top it.

Along those same lines, I think every 3-4 years a movie comes along that just pushes the effects envelope. We're kindof due for another any time now. T2 was really the first one. Jurassic Park did it. The Matrix did as well. Two Towers is close- with those battle sequences. And, I know no one will agree with this one, but I think Matrix: Reloaded really did as well. The freeway chase- I'm not sure any movie will top that entire chase scene for 20 or more years. And the cinematography/effects of scenes like the bazillion Smith battle, starting with Hugo Weaving's dialogue until near the end (it does break down and get hokey at the end).

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Maple Leafs · 12-13-2005, 05:00 PM

How did we get this far into the thread with nobody mentioning Married With Children?

The show basically had three phases:

Season 1 -- Trying too hard to be All in the Family, but not bad
Seasons 2 - 5ish -- Best show on TV, among the top five sitcoms of all time (yes, I really believe that)
Seasons 6ish - the end -- Year after year of awful, terrible TV. Just Al and his friends saying "boobies". Horrible enough to almost destroy the show's legacy.

brimick79 · 12-13-2005, 05:56 PM

Usually a major lurker......but show's that tottally sucked at the end is a topic near and dear to my heart. I'm a huge TV Show fan and I've long contended that shows no matter how good or how bad are always well off their prime once they leave the air. This ofcourse generally doesn't apply to great shows that get cancelled after a season or two....they just didn't have the time to get to the sucking.

Since I believe all shows hit rock bottom given enough time.....the question "which show blew it the most at the end?" Is IMO relative to the quality of the show to begin with.

Some great shows that tottally blew it at the end---
Buffy the Vampire Slayer - I know this doesn't hit with the demographic here but Season 1 was a high quality B Movie parody. Seasons 2 & 3 were the best in the history of television. Season 4 was fun. Season 5 solid. Season 6 decent, but certainly enough to qualify for blowing it despite the great musical episode. But Season 7 just had no life. Possibly the worst TV ever. It's an amazing contrast to the brilliance of S2 & S3. But in all fairness I'd rate this as the most outstanding series in the history of television. In spite of the fact that Season 7 was just well.......I prefer to act like it never happened.

Alias - Season 1 was some of the most fun you could possibly have watching a TV Show. Season 2 was it's creative peak (although not as much fun). Since then it's been on a creative down swing. Now, the end of last season was inspired with the reapperance of Lena Olin. It almost made up for how bad some of that season was. This year has been somewhat dissapointing. Atleast's Buffy's fall was somewhat steady....Alias's was just metoeric.

The Practice - At first a gritty realistic portrayal of the criminal justice system. Somehow it became a sensationilized soap opera. The addition of James Spader in it's 8th and final season was inspired. His emmy was well earned. But it wasn't the show I had signed on for. The last three seasons of this show tainted the memory of the first 5. And that's just a shame. A show with so much life died a truely horrific slow death.

There's many other examples. But these are IMO the most compelling as a viewer.

oykib · 12-13-2005, 06:18 PM

I can't believe that there were mentions of ST:Voyager in this great show gone bad thread.

Voyager was always awful.

I agree about the X-files, Dukes of Hazzard, and the Wonder Years.

Draft Dodger · 12-13-2005, 06:24 PM

wow, how could I forget the Practice. that show turned into a parody of itself in record time.

Honolulu_Blue · 12-13-2005, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by brimick79

Some great shows that tottally blew it at the end---
Buffy the Vampire Slayer - I know this doesn't hit with the demographic here but Season 1 was a high quality B Movie parody. Seasons 2 & 3 were the best in the history of television. Season 4 was fun. Season 5 solid. Season 6 decent, but certainly enough to qualify for blowing it despite the great musical episode. But Season 7 just had no life. Possibly the worst TV ever. It's an amazing contrast to the brilliance of S2 & S3. But in all fairness I'd rate this as the most outstanding series in the history of television. In spite of the fact that Season 7 was just well.......I prefer to act like it never happened.

A solid assessment of the Buffy series. Though, I am a bit more critical of Season 5, but only because of Glory. She was deeply irritating. But if you ignore/fastforward whenever she's on screen... it improves. The musical was certainly a crown jewel. Season 7 was just a drain... But you're absolutely right: Seasons 2 & 3 were the best in the history of TV.

Lurk less. Post more.

Pumpy Tudors · 12-13-2005, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

How did we get this far into the thread with nobody mentioning Married With Children?

The show basically had three phases:

Season 1 -- Trying too hard to be All in the Family, but not bad
Seasons 2 - 5ish -- Best show on TV, among the top five sitcoms of all time (yes, I really believe that)
Seasons 6ish - the end -- Year after year of awful, terrible TV. Just Al and his friends saying "boobies". Horrible enough to almost destroy the show's legacy.

I almost mentioned it, but my post was getting long enough as it was. Besides, you said it a lot better than I could have.

(also, will any more pictures of Mrs. Leafs be posted on this board ever?)

sterlingice · 12-13-2005, 07:07 PM

Just out of curiousity, what was the "jump the shark" moment on MWC? Ted McGinley joining the cast is the easy one, but that's not fair to blame him as the show's kiss of death.

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Warhammer · 12-13-2005, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice

Just out of curiousity, what was the "jump the shark" moment on MWC? Ted McGinley joining the cast is the easy one, but that's not fair to blame him as the show's kiss of death.

SI

It still had good episodes after he came on board though.

Maple Leafs · 12-13-2005, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice

Just out of curiousity, what was the "jump the shark" moment on MWC? Ted McGinley joining the cast is the easy one, but that's not fair to blame him as the show's kiss of death.

If I had to name one, I'd say when they added the kid. The only saving grace of that debacle was that it allowed for the scene next season (after the kid has just been dropped from the cast without explanation) when Peg goes to the fridge for a carton of milk and if you look closely the kid's picture is on it.

The three-part episode where they went to the UK was the start of the downhill fall, although there were some decent episodes after that. In reality, my guess is that some of the writers must have left after the fifth or sixth season and the new ones didn't understand what made the show great.

Bearcat729 · 12-13-2005, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors

I'm not falling for that one!!

Is this what you were talking about?

from the IMDB page

Trivia: The series is remembered for its concluding scene in the final episode. In that scene, the characters are in an airport when one of them suddenly notes that their series is canceled. The camera immediately pulls back to reveal the stage and the studio audience and the cast takes a bow

sterlingice · 12-13-2005, 07:31 PM

Oh, yeah, the pointless kid. I had almost blocked that out of my memory. You can't make a "cutting edge" comedy by using 80s sitcom staples.

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Pumpy Tudors · 12-13-2005, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat729

Is this what you were talking about?

from the IMDB page

Trivia: The series is remembered for its concluding scene in the final episode. In that scene, the characters are in an airport when one of them suddenly notes that their series is canceled. The camera immediately pulls back to reveal the stage and the studio audience and the cast takes a bow

Yes. It had a little more "oomph" than that, though. The guy who married Dora was about to board a flight. He goes offscreen, and the rest of the family gets ready to go home from the airport. A few seconds later, Dad comes back and says, "It's cancelled." Dora asks, "The flight?" Dad says, "No. Our series." THEN you see the stage, studio audience, etc. It was completely stupid, but it was funny at the time.

Dr. Sak · 12-13-2005, 07:37 PM

At the end of 90210, Brandon should have came back and to get what was rightfully his, Kelly Taylor.

Celeval · 12-13-2005, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Kodos

Yeah. I think it was realistic for them to not end up together, and I thought the episode was well done, but it was disappointing to have invested all that time thinking they'd be together. To me, it hurt worse than his father dying. She was his childhood dream. You almost took for granted that they would end up together.

The whole scene in the barn where they've been fighting, and they slowly come to the realization that it's not going to work out between them -- it was just gutwrenching. I guess maybe it hit me because I had a couple "girl who got away" type things in high school and college. Girls who I wanted to be with for years but that things just never worked out between us. I guess that's why it would have been nice to see one of those stories that you got emotionally invested in end happily. But I certainly wouldn't lump The Wonder Years in with shows that ended poorly.

Absolutely. I loved the Wonder Years' ending, and watched it whenever it came up on Nick at Nite.

stevew · 12-13-2005, 07:47 PM

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At the end of 90210, Brandon should have came back and too what was rightfully his, Kelly Taylor.

Yes, exactly. He had to settle for the tape recorded goodbye instead.

Senator · 12-13-2005, 08:01 PM

When the died dies in a car wreck on Good Times, I knew it was all downhill from there.

Buccaneer · 12-13-2005, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Senator

When the died dies in a car wreck on Good Times, I knew it was all downhill from there.

That would have been a perfect finale, though.

Buccaneer · 12-13-2005, 08:08 PM

I think there are two major "jump the shark" moments in many series:

1. When the main characters become lovers
2. When they start a new season on vacation (usually overseas or Hawai'i)

Senator · 12-13-2005, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Buccaneer

That would have been a perfect finale, though.

But they kept it going after the greatest line in tv history by Esther Rolle -

DAMN, DAMN, DAMN

Should have stopped right there, and did one of the credits when they did a serious show where they have a picture of JJ's art but no music.

Buccaneer · 12-13-2005, 08:11 PM

Yep, agree totally.

cthomer5000 · 12-13-2005, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by BucDawg40

The Prisoner had the worst ending ever, IMHO.

Yeah, it kind of pissed me off. It made no attempt to really tie things up logically and instead went for a full-blown psychological freak-out. Very David Lynch-ian.

sterlingice · 12-13-2005, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Buccaneer

I think there are two major "jump the shark" moments in many series:

1. When the main characters become lovers
2. When they start a new season on vacation (usually overseas or Hawai'i)

I think the aforementioned "add a new kid" should be on this list, too.

SI

jbmagic · 12-13-2005, 08:20 PM

The Pretender and ALF

both shows never had a closer to it.

The Pretender had a few movies that made after, but they never had a closer to it.

Buccaneer · 12-13-2005, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice

I think the aforementioned "add a new kid" should be on this list, too.

SI

That too, even though I can't think of many examples.

12-13-2005, 03:30 PM	#103
cuervo72 Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Maryland	So which was better, Little House blowing up the town, or Sledge Hammer blowing up LA? __________________ null

12-13-2005, 03:48 PM	#107
gkb High School Varsity Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado	I'm trying to remember if I enjoyed the ending of Cheers...but I can't remember if I did or didn't like it. The only thing that sticks out in my mind is that Jay Leno did some kind of special on his show where they were in the bar that Cheers was based on. I think all the actors were pretty blasted by the time Jay showed up. __________________ BALLERZ YO, fo shizzle. - QuikSand

12-13-2005, 04:13 PM	#122
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	I thought T3 was pretty bad- but it had a high standard to live up to. As a stand alone action movie, by todays standards, I guess it's not too bad. However, T2 was from that "golden age" of action movies when they were not only "good action movies" but, I think, "good movies". Where even if the acting was "action movie" quality, the cinematography was great and the stories were good. SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

12-13-2005, 05:00 PM	#127
Maple Leafs Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002	How did we get this far into the thread with nobody mentioning Married With Children? The show basically had three phases: Season 1 -- Trying too hard to be All in the Family, but not bad Seasons 2 - 5ish -- Best show on TV, among the top five sitcoms of all time (yes, I really believe that) Seasons 6ish - the end -- Year after year of awful, terrible TV. Just Al and his friends saying "boobies". Horrible enough to almost destroy the show's legacy. __________________ Down Goes Brown: Toronto Maple Leafs Humor and Analysis

12-13-2005, 06:24 PM	#130
Draft Dodger Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Keene, NH	wow, how could I forget the Practice. that show turned into a parody of itself in record time. __________________ Mile High Hockey

12-13-2005, 03:29 PM	#102
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	As far as I know, the blowing up town episode was the finale. But I could be wrong.

12-13-2005, 03:36 PM	#105
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	Not a tv show, but god did Star Wars suck at the end.

12-13-2005, 03:48 PM	#108
Desmond Banned Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: The Hatch	I always thought the SledgeHammer finale was awesome. And I agree that the Night Court finale, along with the last couple seasons, was just putrid. It really brought down the legacy of the show. I've always argued that at their peaks Night Court was every bit as good as Cheers.

12-13-2005, 03:57 PM	#113
moriarty College Starter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: A negative place	I can't make my mind up on the final to Sports Night either. I don't recall if they knew it was going to be the last episode or not. It ended OK, but it left me really wanting to see more episodes ... not content in knowing it was over.

12-13-2005, 04:00 PM	#116
moriarty College Starter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: A negative place	I don't even remeber a show called Slegehammer. WTF?

12-13-2005, 04:14 PM	#123
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	I think T2 is the standard by which all other action movies should be judged.

12-13-2005, 04:20 PM	#125
Desmond Banned Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: The Hatch	I always thought the SledgeHammer finale was awesome. And I agree that the Night Court finale, along with the last couple seasons, was just putrid. It really brought down the legacy of the show. I've always argued that at their peaks Night Court was every bit as good as Cheers. And I loved the Sports Night final if only for the great line "Anybody who can't make money off a show like Sports Night shouldn't be in the buisness of making money"

12-13-2005, 05:56 PM	#128
brimick79 Banned Join Date: Jul 2002	Usually a major lurker......but show's that tottally sucked at the end is a topic near and dear to my heart. I'm a huge TV Show fan and I've long contended that shows no matter how good or how bad are always well off their prime once they leave the air. This ofcourse generally doesn't apply to great shows that get cancelled after a season or two....they just didn't have the time to get to the sucking. Since I believe all shows hit rock bottom given enough time.....the question "which show blew it the most at the end?" Is IMO relative to the quality of the show to begin with. Some great shows that tottally blew it at the end--- Buffy the Vampire Slayer - I know this doesn't hit with the demographic here but Season 1 was a high quality B Movie parody. Seasons 2 & 3 were the best in the history of television. Season 4 was fun. Season 5 solid. Season 6 decent, but certainly enough to qualify for blowing it despite the great musical episode. But Season 7 just had no life. Possibly the worst TV ever. It's an amazing contrast to the brilliance of S2 & S3. But in all fairness I'd rate this as the most outstanding series in the history of television. In spite of the fact that Season 7 was just well.......I prefer to act like it never happened. Alias - Season 1 was some of the most fun you could possibly have watching a TV Show. Season 2 was it's creative peak (although not as much fun). Since then it's been on a creative down swing. Now, the end of last season was inspired with the reapperance of Lena Olin. It almost made up for how bad some of that season was. This year has been somewhat dissapointing. Atleast's Buffy's fall was somewhat steady....Alias's was just metoeric. The Practice - At first a gritty realistic portrayal of the criminal justice system. Somehow it became a sensationilized soap opera. The addition of James Spader in it's 8th and final season was inspired. His emmy was well earned. But it wasn't the show I had signed on for. The last three seasons of this show tainted the memory of the first 5. And that's just a shame. A show with so much life died a truely horrific slow death. There's many other examples. But these are IMO the most compelling as a viewer.

12-13-2005, 06:18 PM	#129
oykib College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000	I can't believe that there were mentions of ST:Voyager in this great show gone bad thread. Voyager was always awful. I agree about the X-files, Dukes of Hazzard, and the Wonder Years.

12-13-2005, 07:07 PM	#133
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	Just out of curiousity, what was the "jump the shark" moment on MWC? Ted McGinley joining the cast is the easy one, but that's not fair to blame him as the show's kiss of death. SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

12-13-2005, 07:31 PM	#137
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	Oh, yeah, the pointless kid. I had almost blocked that out of my memory. You can't make a "cutting edge" comedy by using 80s sitcom staples. SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

12-13-2005, 07:37 PM	#139
Dr. Sak Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Stuck in Yinzerville, PA	At the end of 90210, Brandon should have came back and to get what was rightfully his, Kelly Taylor. Last edited by Dr. Sak : 12-13-2005 at 08:04 PM.

12-13-2005, 08:01 PM	#142
Senator FOFC's Elected Representative Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The stars at night; are big and bright	When the died dies in a car wreck on Good Times, I knew it was all downhill from there. __________________ "i have seen chris simms play 4-5 times in the pros and he's very clearly got it. he won't make a pro bowl this year, but it'll come. if you don't like me saying that, so be it, but its true. we'll just have to wait until then" imettrentgreen "looking at only ten games, and oddly using a median only, leaves me unmoved generally" - Quiksand

12-13-2005, 08:08 PM	#144
Buccaneer Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Colorado	I think there are two major "jump the shark" moments in many series: 1. When the main characters become lovers 2. When they start a new season on vacation (usually overseas or Hawai'i)

12-13-2005, 08:11 PM	#146
Buccaneer Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Colorado	Yep, agree totally.

12-13-2005, 08:20 PM	#149
jbmagic Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2004	The Pretender and ALF both shows never had a closer to it. The Pretender had a few movies that made after, but they never had a closer to it. Last edited by jbmagic : 12-13-2005 at 08:21 PM.

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