FOF2K4: QuikSand Beta Tester Diary (FINAL ENTRY POSTED 11/3) - Page 3

maximus · 10-21-2003, 09:39 PM

Great job QS.

This part really interests me;

"On more substantive grounds, though - the new game's treatment of retired players is much more user-friendly than its predecessors - I can click on Faulk's name in the transactions list, and see his "player card" including his entire career stats (In this case, that's only the one season that I have played - but you get the idea). For those of us who, over the course of a long career, tend to get somewhat sentimental about our players, this is a nice feature. "

Player card, I would love to see what that looks like and I more than welcome the retired stats feature.

Alf · 10-22-2003, 03:46 AM

Next is the draft. Great reading so far in an usual QuikSand writing style !

Bee · 10-22-2003, 06:22 AM

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Originally posted by maximus
Player card, I would love to see what that looks like

I suspect the player card that QS refers to is the same one currently in the game.

Ben E Lou · 10-22-2003, 06:29 AM

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On more substantive grounds, though - the new game's treatment of retired players is much more user-friendly than its predecessors - I can click on Faulk's name in the transactions list, and see his "player card" including his entire career stats (In this case, that's only the one season that I have played - but you get the idea). For those of us who, over the course of a long career, tend to get somewhat sentimental about our players, this is a nice feature.

More on this: It always annoyed me that I couldn't see the player card of the "Legend Of The Game" in FOF4 without re-loading at the end of the previous season. Nice addition!

Honolulu Blue · 10-23-2003, 04:50 AM

In case it doesn't have its own thread, the latest update from QuikSand is here.

I like the new format for the draft. The combine scores I can take or leave, but the info screen for the draftees sounds a lot like the one for high school prospects in TCY, which is a good thing IMO.

I'm a little surprised the stud QB QS described fell to the #6 overall pick, though his explanation is reasonable (most of the other teams had bigger holes to fill).

3ric · 10-23-2003, 06:21 AM

I like that the scouting report format from TCY was used in the draft - but more than that, you get the sense that QS easily could assess the value of his picks without it being either a crapshoot or a sure thing. Very promising.

FrogMan · 10-23-2003, 10:06 PM

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Originally posted by Honolulu Blue
I'm a little surprised the stud QB QS described fell to the #6 overall pick, though his explanation is reasonable (most of the other teams had bigger holes to fill).

Was a little surprised too, but this may be good news, following QS's analysis of the other teams' needs. Maybe some improvement in draft AI right there, although this would have to be tested over a few seasons...

FM

Bonegavel · 10-23-2003, 10:32 PM

to start, QS is possibly the greatest beta-diary author I've ever had the pleasure of reading.

One thing I hope Jim changes (i doubt) is to give more information in the summary screen. I believe there are 30+ ratings for a player, and I don't see why more can't be added to this for more laser-guided picks. One thing I long to do is find amongst the data, that guy that fits my philosophy, and yet isn't necessarily rated high.

Overall, however, I like the direction the draft is taking. More information is always better. The draft has the potential to be the best part of the game, IMHO. For me, nothing would be more fun than pouring over the reams of data, draft a guy, and watch him develop over the years. Before, I would draft the first 2 players or so and let the scout pick the rest. Now, looks like I may last the entire draft.

I'm happy to see the stud QB go #6. If the teams drafted in ratings order, that would be very depressing indeed.

Well, well done QS.

MizzouRah · 10-23-2003, 11:42 PM

I agree, I love the draft in any game - ootp, nhl, fof...

I always grow more attached to players I draft.

Todd

sianews · 10-24-2003, 07:22 AM

If height and weight have no purpose in the game, what role do the last 3 rankings in the draft screen play (40 time, bench press, etc)?

Ben E Lou · 10-24-2003, 07:24 AM

What's the next metaphor going to be?

I'm guessing training camp will be something like "Tuning Up The Engine."

oykib · 10-24-2003, 08:02 AM

"Putting her through her paces" perhaps?

Bee · 10-24-2003, 08:30 AM

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Originally posted by SkyDog
What's the next metaphor going to be?

I'm guessing training camp will be something like "Tuning Up The Engine."

I can't wait for the "Testing out the backseat with the wife" writeup.

Ksyrup · 10-24-2003, 08:32 AM

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Originally posted by Bee
I can't wait for the "Testing out the backseat with the wife" writeup.

Hey! That was my joke from a couple of pages ago.

cuervo72 · 10-24-2003, 08:55 AM

Howabout "Stuffing the body in the trunk and dumping it at the landfill"?

cthomer5000 · 10-24-2003, 08:58 AM

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Originally posted by SkyDog
What's the next metaphor going to be?

I'm guessing training camp will be something like "Tuning Up The Engine."

"Kicking the Tires"

Bee · 10-24-2003, 11:22 AM

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Originally posted by Ksyrup
Hey! That was my joke from a couple of pages ago.

yes, but I told it much better.

Ksyrup · 10-24-2003, 11:30 AM

I didn't want to drag Mrs. QS into our muck, so I left her out.

Vikings13 · 10-24-2003, 12:31 PM

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Originally posted by cuervo72
Howabout "Stuffing the body in the trunk and dumping it at the landfill"?

Someone was watching "Unfaithful" on HBO last night, huh?

cuervo72 · 10-24-2003, 01:27 PM

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Originally posted by Vikings13
Someone was watching "Unfaithful" on HBO last night, huh?

Actually, no

Senator · 10-24-2003, 01:33 PM

"Crow - it's what's for dinner"

Maple Leafs · 10-24-2003, 02:40 PM

Thanks god for the new "adjusted rating" on the draft screen. No more sorting by potential in round two and getting a list of 20 kickers!

Vince · 10-24-2003, 04:42 PM

Wow, draft update sounds fantastic.

FrogMan · 10-24-2003, 08:35 PM

okay, it's the 24th now, last update was on the 22nd, what's going on?!? I NEED MY FIX!!!

FM

maximus · 10-24-2003, 09:50 PM

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Originally posted by Bee
I suspect the player card that QS refers to is the same one currently in the game.

True. But I have read somewhere ( not sure where) that helmets and logos can be imported into the game. Is this true?

RPI-Fan · 10-24-2003, 10:00 PM

I think a 35x35 pixel helmet (aka, very small), can be imported.

RPI-Fan · 10-24-2003, 10:00 PM

(helmet or logo).

maximus · 10-24-2003, 10:55 PM

Thanks RPI-Fan.

sabotai · 10-25-2003, 02:19 AM

I'm still curious as to what purpose the "helmet" serves. 35x35 is hella small so it's probably not what some people might be expecting...

Alf · 10-25-2003, 03:02 AM

October 25, 2003 - Finishing Touches (Wax On, Wax Off)

Ben E Lou · 10-25-2003, 04:00 AM

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I go to the negotiating table with DT Warren Sapp, and we work to set aside his colorful perspectives on general league issues, and instead focus on his contract.

Pun intended there, Quik????

Ben E Lou · 10-25-2003, 04:06 AM

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Note - at this point, for every rookie player (including the undrafted free agents that I offered no-risk contracts to come to camp with us), we still cannot see any red and green bars, nor any specific ratings. I'm still working with the scouted information - so my impressions are really not formed until we actually get into training camp.

Makes perfect sense to me. I like this.

Ben E Lou · 10-25-2003, 04:08 AM

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One last note following training camp - there is another handy feature that is interesting, called "The Green Page." The Green Page details and ranks the top prospects in the league - the 20 most promising rookie players (with second-year QBs included, as they tend to develop more slowly). A quick look at this list shows me the whole picture of QB David Raines, who seems true to his initial billing, a potential monster in the making. CB Jerome Raymond is rated 4th on this list, and looks like he will be an impact player immediately also. Buffalo snagged a defensive end in the third round of this draft who already is looking like a very tip-top prospect - so there are at least suggestions of some draft twists as well. Jacksonville's fifth round rookie QB is ranked 10th on the list as well. Our Maroons are absent from the list, not too surprisingly.

Ooooh. This sounds nice!

fantastic flying froggies · 10-25-2003, 04:28 AM

QS is really a great salesman. And I don't mean this in a bad way...

Just reading his dynasty (yes, that's what it is...) makes me wanna play the game.

MizzouRah · 10-25-2003, 08:17 AM

I didn't think QS's dynasty readings could get any better, and they have!

I might be off, but the game sounds much harder than before.

I wonder what difficulty QS is on?

Todd

Eaglesfan27 · 10-25-2003, 08:28 AM

I'm also getting more and more excited about the game by reading QS's reports. The draft sounds so much more interesting. I think this will make the game more immersive and I also like the Green Page idea. I can't wait to get this game.

3ric · 10-25-2003, 08:28 AM

Mizzou:
Wall Street, he said it in the first entry.

MizzouRah · 10-25-2003, 08:35 AM

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Originally posted by 3ric
Mizzou:
Wall Street, he said it in the first entry.

Thanks 3ric, I figured as such. In fact, Jim probably has a special god-like difficulty for QS.

Jim "Try this setting QS, it's a tad harder than wall street"

QS "Damn, how come the game keeps saying 'You lost' over and over again?"

Todd

Buccaneer · 10-25-2003, 09:29 AM

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Originally posted by sabotai
I'm still curious as to what purpose the "helmet" serves. 35x35 is hella small so it's probably not what some people might be expecting...

I just did a quick test from my helmet database.

Here is the original .gif file of the one of the Chargers' helmets.

Buccaneer · 10-25-2003, 09:29 AM

...Here it is just resized down to 35 pixels in one dimension (using Photoshop). Not sure if didn't do something wrong.

MizzouRah · 10-25-2003, 09:30 AM

Bucc,

I have been trying to find some NFL helmets, but after I resize them to 35x35, their are too small to see clearly.

Todd

Cuckoo · 10-25-2003, 10:41 AM

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Through each week of the late free agency period, you may submit one offer to the player. Offer the higher offer at a given duration, and he's likely to accept it right away. Go for the lower offer, and you're increasing the risk of a holdout.

I wonder if this is tied into the loyalty rating. I think that would add something to the draft, knowing that you might get a guy a little cheaper because of his loyalty rating or take a chance on a guy who may be better but more likely to give you contract problems.

MizzouRah · 10-25-2003, 10:46 AM

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Originally posted by Buccaneer
...Here it is just resized down to 35 pixels in one dimension (using Photoshop). Not sure if didn't do something wrong.

Youch!! Does anyone have a magnifing glass?

Todd

maximus · 10-25-2003, 10:54 AM

Ya, thats pretty small. I wonder if there is a way to use a hack in order for larger pics.

Maple Leafs · 10-25-2003, 11:58 AM

The more I read of this diary, the more I like. The draft rating seems like a great addition -- I'd like to see more "neutral" evaluation of how I'm doing throughout the game.

I just hope the draft rating takes draft position into account. If it's just based on talent, won't the teams with high picks just get high marks and low picks get low marks?

sabotai · 10-25-2003, 12:17 PM

"Ya, thats pretty small. I wonder if there is a way to use a hack in order for larger pics."

This depends on several things, but it COULD be possible to use a resource editor to change the size of the image. But this depends on if Jim uses a certain control, if he sets it to "stretch", if he does blah blah blah....

Small possibility.

FrogMan · 10-25-2003, 01:30 PM

Am I the only who thinks that for Jim to have Quiksand do a beta diary in his own dynasty style of writing is the best PR move that could have happened for the FOF frnachise?

As a few have stated already, the more I read about his Maroons, the more I want to hear about them and how the new game let him manage them, and more importantly, the more I want this game in my hands...

Great move Jim! Great job Quiksand! Keep 'em reports coming, they are great!

FM

MizzouRah · 10-25-2003, 01:41 PM

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Note - at this point, for every rookie player (including the undrafted free agents that I offered no-risk contracts to come to camp with us

[headscratch]Either I just learned something about FOF4, or this addtion really makes me happy.[/headscratch]

Todd

JeeberD · 10-25-2003, 02:04 PM

Wow, the offseason sounds great! Can't wait to get the game and get started playing...

Maple Leafs · 10-25-2003, 03:42 PM

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Originally posted by MizzouRah
[headscratch]Either I just learned something about FOF4, or this addtion really makes me happy.[/headscratch]

Hey may just be referring to contracts with no signing bonus. They're virtually no-risk.

10-22-2003, 03:46 AM	#102
Alf Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Rennes, France	Next is the draft. Great reading so far in an usual QuikSand writing style ! __________________ FOFL - GML - IHOF - FranceStats

10-23-2003, 06:21 AM	#106
3ric College Starter Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Sweden	I like that the scouting report format from TCY was used in the draft - but more than that, you get the sense that QS easily could assess the value of his picks without it being either a crapshoot or a sure thing. Very promising. __________________ San Diego Chargers (HFL) - Lappland Reindeers (WOOF) - Gothenburg Giants (IHOF) Indiana: A TCY VC - year 2044 - the longest running dynasty ever on FOFC!

10-23-2003, 10:32 PM	#108
Bonegavel Awaiting Further Instructions... Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Macungie, PA	to start, QS is possibly the greatest beta-diary author I've ever had the pleasure of reading. One thing I hope Jim changes (i doubt) is to give more information in the summary screen. I believe there are 30+ ratings for a player, and I don't see why more can't be added to this for more laser-guided picks. One thing I long to do is find amongst the data, that guy that fits my philosophy, and yet isn't necessarily rated high. Overall, however, I like the direction the draft is taking. More information is always better. The draft has the potential to be the best part of the game, IMHO. For me, nothing would be more fun than pouring over the reams of data, draft a guy, and watch him develop over the years. Before, I would draft the first 2 players or so and let the scout pick the rest. Now, looks like I may last the entire draft. I'm happy to see the stud QB go #6. If the teams drafted in ratings order, that would be very depressing indeed. Well, well done QS. __________________

10-24-2003, 07:22 AM	#110
sianews Mascot Join Date: Jun 2001	If height and weight have no purpose in the game, what role do the last 3 rankings in the draft screen play (40 time, bench press, etc)? Last edited by sianews : 10-24-2003 at 07:58 AM.

10-24-2003, 07:24 AM	#111
Ben E Lou Morgado's Favorite Forum Fascist Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Greensboro, NC	What's the next metaphor going to be? I'm guessing training camp will be something like "Tuning Up The Engine." __________________ The media don't understand the kinds of problems and pressures 54 million come wit'!

10-21-2003, 09:39 PM	#101
maximus Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Where the system is screwed	Great job QS. This part really interests me; "On more substantive grounds, though - the new game's treatment of retired players is much more user-friendly than its predecessors - I can click on Faulk's name in the transactions list, and see his "player card" including his entire career stats (In this case, that's only the one season that I have played - but you get the idea). For those of us who, over the course of a long career, tend to get somewhat sentimental about our players, this is a nice feature. " Player card, I would love to see what that looks like and I more than welcome the retired stats feature.

10-23-2003, 04:50 AM	#105
Honolulu Blue Dynasty Boy Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Michigan	In case it doesn't have its own thread, the latest update from QuikSand is here. I like the new format for the draft. The combine scores I can take or leave, but the info screen for the draftees sounds a lot like the one for high school prospects in TCY, which is a good thing IMO. I'm a little surprised the stud QB QS described fell to the #6 overall pick, though his explanation is reasonable (most of the other teams had bigger holes to fill).

10-23-2003, 11:42 PM	#109
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Troy, Mo	I agree, I love the draft in any game - ootp, nhl, fof... I always grow more attached to players I draft. Todd

10-24-2003, 08:02 AM	#112
oykib College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000	"Putting her through her paces" perhaps?

10-24-2003, 08:55 AM	#115
cuervo72 Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Maryland	Howabout "Stuffing the body in the trunk and dumping it at the landfill"? __________________ null

10-24-2003, 11:30 AM	#118
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	I didn't want to drag Mrs. QS into our muck, so I left her out. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

10-24-2003, 01:33 PM	#121
Senator FOFC's Elected Representative Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The stars at night; are big and bright	"Crow - it's what's for dinner" __________________ "i have seen chris simms play 4-5 times in the pros and he's very clearly got it. he won't make a pro bowl this year, but it'll come. if you don't like me saying that, so be it, but its true. we'll just have to wait until then" imettrentgreen "looking at only ten games, and oddly using a median only, leaves me unmoved generally" - Quiksand

10-24-2003, 02:40 PM	#122
Maple Leafs Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002	Thanks god for the new "adjusted rating" on the draft screen. No more sorting by potential in round two and getting a list of 20 kickers!

10-24-2003, 04:42 PM	#123
Vince Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Willow Glen, CA	Wow, draft update sounds fantastic. __________________ Every time a Dodger scores a run, an angel has its wings ripped off by a demon, and is forced to tearfully beg the demon to cauterize the wounds.The demon will refuse, and the sobbing angel will lie in a puddle of angel blood and feathers for eternity, wondering why the Dodgers are allowed to score runs.That’s not me talking: that’s science. McCoveyChronicles.com.

10-24-2003, 08:35 PM	#124
FrogMan Hattrick Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Pintendre, Qc, Canada	okay, it's the 24th now, last update was on the 22nd, what's going on?!? I NEED MY FIX!!! FM __________________ A Black Belt is a White Belt who refused to give up... follow my story: The real life story of a running frog...

10-24-2003, 10:00 PM	#126
RPI-Fan Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Troy, NY	I think a 35x35 pixel helmet (aka, very small), can be imported. __________________ Quis custodiets ipsos custodes?

10-24-2003, 10:00 PM	#127
RPI-Fan Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Troy, NY	(helmet or logo). __________________ Quis custodiets ipsos custodes?

10-24-2003, 10:55 PM	#128
maximus Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Where the system is screwed	Thanks RPI-Fan.

10-25-2003, 02:19 AM	#129
sabotai General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Satellite of Love	I'm still curious as to what purpose the "helmet" serves. 35x35 is hella small so it's probably not what some people might be expecting...

10-25-2003, 03:02 AM	#130
Alf Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Rennes, France	Diary 5 is up October 25, 2003 - Finishing Touches (Wax On, Wax Off) __________________ FOFL - GML - IHOF - FranceStats Last edited by Alf : 10-25-2003 at 03:04 AM.

10-25-2003, 04:28 AM	#134
fantastic flying froggies Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sunny South of France	QS is really a great salesman. And I don't mean this in a bad way... Just reading his dynasty (yes, that's what it is...) makes me wanna play the game. __________________ Detroit Vampires (CFL) : Ve 're coming for your blood! Camargue Flamingos (WOOF): pretty in Pink

10-25-2003, 08:17 AM	#135
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Troy, Mo	I didn't think QS's dynasty readings could get any better, and they have! I might be off, but the game sounds much harder than before. I wonder what difficulty QS is on? Todd

10-25-2003, 08:28 AM	#136
Eaglesfan27 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey	I'm also getting more and more excited about the game by reading QS's reports. The draft sounds so much more interesting. I think this will make the game more immersive and I also like the Green Page idea. I can't wait to get this game. __________________ Retired GM of the eNFL 2007 Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles (19-0 record.) GM of the WOOF 2006 Doggie Bowl Champion Atlantic City Gamblers. GM of the IHOF 2019 and 2022 IHOF Bowl Champion Asheville Axemen.

10-25-2003, 08:28 AM	#137
3ric College Starter Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Sweden	Mizzou: Wall Street, he said it in the first entry. __________________ San Diego Chargers (HFL) - Lappland Reindeers (WOOF) - Gothenburg Giants (IHOF) Indiana: A TCY VC - year 2044 - the longest running dynasty ever on FOFC! Last edited by 3ric : 10-25-2003 at 08:28 AM.

10-25-2003, 09:29 AM	#140
Buccaneer Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Colorado	...Here it is just resized down to 35 pixels in one dimension (using Photoshop). Not sure if didn't do something wrong.

10-25-2003, 09:30 AM	#141
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Troy, Mo	Bucc, I have been trying to find some NFL helmets, but after I resize them to 35x35, their are too small to see clearly. Todd

10-25-2003, 10:54 AM	#144
maximus Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Where the system is screwed	Ya, thats pretty small. I wonder if there is a way to use a hack in order for larger pics.

10-25-2003, 11:58 AM	#145
Maple Leafs Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002	The more I read of this diary, the more I like. The draft rating seems like a great addition -- I'd like to see more "neutral" evaluation of how I'm doing throughout the game. I just hope the draft rating takes draft position into account. If it's just based on talent, won't the teams with high picks just get high marks and low picks get low marks?

10-25-2003, 12:17 PM	#146
sabotai General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Satellite of Love	"Ya, thats pretty small. I wonder if there is a way to use a hack in order for larger pics." This depends on several things, but it COULD be possible to use a resource editor to change the size of the image. But this depends on if Jim uses a certain control, if he sets it to "stretch", if he does blah blah blah.... Small possibility.

10-25-2003, 01:30 PM	#147
FrogMan Hattrick Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Pintendre, Qc, Canada	Am I the only who thinks that for Jim to have Quiksand do a beta diary in his own dynasty style of writing is the best PR move that could have happened for the FOF frnachise? As a few have stated already, the more I read about his Maroons, the more I want to hear about them and how the new game let him manage them, and more importantly, the more I want this game in my hands... Great move Jim! Great job Quiksand! Keep 'em reports coming, they are great! FM __________________ A Black Belt is a White Belt who refused to give up... follow my story: The real life story of a running frog...

10-25-2003, 02:04 PM	#149
JeeberD General Manager Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Town of Flower Mound	Wow, the offseason sounds great! Can't wait to get the game and get started playing... __________________ UTEP Miners!!! I solemnly swear to never cheer for TO

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