My Ridiculously Inept Congresscommie (Who Now Faces Arrest!)

[GrantDawg]

My wife said she's just trying to drum up more votes. This will definitely help her street-cred.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

My wife said she's just trying to drum up more votes. This will definitely help her street-cred.

[stevew]

At least she knows how to re-register to vote if she gets convicted of a felony.

[WVUFAN]

Originally Posted by Easy Mac

IAll you had to say was that she was a horribly inept congresswoman, but you threw in the Communism, trying to characterize the left as Communists. It would be no different than me labeling every rightist a Nazi. Obviously you can't be suspended, because no one would have the balls to do so, but I think some sort of public caning is in order.

True communism is a left-leaning viewpoint -- which in itself isn't a bad thing, since a majority of people who say "communism is bad" is referring to what the Soviet Union had as a government, which wasn't communism, but rather socialism. Two different things, and two radically different styles of government.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by stevew

At least she knows how to re-register to vote if she gets convicted of a felony.

[GrantDawg]

Drudge is reporting that the whole incident is on video (that's probably true considering it would be hard for it not to be at the Capital) and that the police are waiting for Congress to adjourn to arrest her (that is a maybe).

[wade moore]

Originally Posted by WVUFAN

True communism is a left-leaning viewpoint -- which in itself isn't a bad thing, since a majority of people who say "communism is bad" is referring to what the Soviet Union had as a government, which wasn't communism, but rather socialism. Two different things, and two radically different styles of government.

And, if I'm not mistaken, Fascism is a right-leaning viewpoint.

For whatever that is worth...

I would argue that the Soviet Union wasn't truely just Socialism either, but as I said earlier in the thread, that's a whole seperate conversation.

[Axxon]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

And that's what I'd expect of most. She's an embarrasment to most Dems that I know, and the fact that some here defends her just shows there are many on the left on this board that are just as sold out as the right.

You know, I don't really see anyone defending her, just someone asking for proof of the attack. That is not a defense it's simply one of the pillars of critical thinking. It's something I wish more people would do and we wouldn't need sites like snopes but since it's much easier to sling out accusations and then attack anyone who questions those, the world is in the situation it is today.

I couldn't give a rats who's right about who here. I simply couldn't. I do care that nothing I've read has at all addressed the accusations or done anything to enlighten the issue. I only care about that because there seems to be some effort to do just that and those who know even less about the issue are just chirping in their attacks and making the entire thread unreadable.

I don't actually aim that at skydog. He's correct, I am aware of his bias, never gave a squat and looked at his post like I believe he meant it. I don't think Mr Bigglesworth does. Once he questioned it, the others jumping in are just exhibiting why I will continue to believe that human beings are the worst mistake on this planet and secretly await the day that nature wipes us out.

It's one thing not to have the ability, but when you have a brain and a voice, for the sake of humanity, try using the former before engaging the latter if you're being serious at all.

Now, as for McKinney, she's not my rep so I don't care where she falls on the scale. Everything I've read about her has basically been on here and do paint her as a loon but now, considering that no one is backing up any of the allegations just saying "everybody knows she's a loon" I feel that it's probably not so and simply another attempt by the unthinking to seem smart by jumping on the pileup and saying "I'M RIGHT, SEE!!!!"

Anyway, I'm outta here and on my way home. Just wanted to finish this thread before I go and had to interject the argument for proper communication. Hate to pick on Dutch but he's acting the unthinking part here and I know it doesn't fit him normally so here goes.

The whole juvenile master debater crack doesn't hit at the person you're attacking Dutch, it belittles the entire attempt by a person to express their thoughts to others and have a dialog that has any meaning. It basically boils any critical thinking down into a disparaging "why bother with facts and logic, just be a dumbass and agree with me" and that is the sickest, worst concept in my mind. Unfortunately enough people ignore logic like yours and perservere so the species continues to let mindless drones breed like rabbits and think like amoebas and expect the ones they mock to bail their butts out for the sake of the species.

Wow, thanks, I haven't really had a good I hate humans rant in a long time and it really feels good to be able to have one again.

This has been fun.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by Axxon

You know, I don't really see anyone defending her, just someone asking for proof of the attack. That is not a defense it's simply one of the pillars of critical thinking. It's something I wish more people would do and we wouldn't need sites like snopes but since it's much easier to sling out accusations and then attack anyone who questions those, the world is in the situation it is today.

I couldn't give a rats who's right about who here. I simply couldn't. I do care that nothing I've read has at all addressed the accusations or done anything to enlighten the issue. I only care about that because there seems to be some effort to do just that and those who know even less about the issue are just chirping in their attacks and making the entire thread unreadable.

I don't actually aim that at skydog. He's correct, I am aware of his bias, never gave a squat and looked at his post like I believe he meant it. I don't think Mr Bigglesworth does. Once he questioned it, the others jumping in are just exhibiting why I will continue to believe that human beings are the worst mistake on this planet and secretly await the day that nature wipes us out.

It's one thing not to have the ability, but when you have a brain and a voice, for the sake of humanity, try using the former before engaging the latter if you're being serious at all.

Now, as for McKinney, she's not my rep so I don't care where she falls on the scale. Everything I've read about her has basically been on here and do paint her as a loon but now, considering that no one is backing up any of the allegations just saying "everybody knows she's a loon" I feel that it's probably not so and simply another attempt by the unthinking to seem smart by jumping on the pileup and saying "I'M RIGHT, SEE!!!!"

Anyway, I'm outta here and on my way home. Just wanted to finish this thread before I go and had to interject the argument for proper communication. Hate to pick on Dutch but he's acting the unthinking part here and I know it doesn't fit him normally so here goes.

The whole juvenile master debater crack doesn't hit at the person you're attacking Dutch, it belittles the entire attempt by a person to express their thoughts to others and have a dialog that has any meaning. It basically boils any critical thinking down into a disparaging "why bother with facts and logic, just be a dumbass and agree with me" and that is the sickest, worst concept in my mind. Unfortunately enough people ignore logic like yours and perservere so the species continues to let mindless drones breed like rabbits and think like amoebas and expect the ones they mock to bail their butts out for the sake of the species.

Wow, thanks, I haven't really had a good I hate humans rant in a long time and it really feels good to be able to have one again.

This has been fun.

Ummmm...what accusations? That she's a nut? See article on her hitting the policeman today.

[WVUFAN]

Originally Posted by wade moore

And, if I'm not mistaken, Fascism is a right-leaning viewpoint.

Yes it is, again using a correct definition.

I would argue that the Soviet Union wasn't truely just Socialism either, but as I said earlier in the thread, that's a whole seperate conversation.

Not in the strictest sense, but it certainly wasn't communism. Has anyone actually read The Communist Manifesto?

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by Axxon

You know, I don't really see anyone defending her, just someone asking for proof of the attack. That is not a defense it's simply one of the pillars of critical thinking. It's something I wish more people would do and we wouldn't need sites like snopes but since it's much easier to sling out accusations and then attack anyone who questions those, the world is in the situation it is today.

I couldn't give a rats who's right about who here. I simply couldn't. I do care that nothing I've read has at all addressed the accusations or done anything to enlighten the issue. I only care about that because there seems to be some effort to do just that and those who know even less about the issue are just chirping in their attacks and making the entire thread unreadable.

I don't actually aim that at skydog. He's correct, I am aware of his bias, never gave a squat and looked at his post like I believe he meant it. I don't think Mr Bigglesworth does. Once he questioned it, the others jumping in are just exhibiting why I will continue to believe that human beings are the worst mistake on this planet and secretly await the day that nature wipes us out.

It's one thing not to have the ability, but when you have a brain and a voice, for the sake of humanity, try using the former before engaging the latter if you're being serious at all.

Now, as for McKinney, she's not my rep so I don't care where she falls on the scale. Everything I've read about her has basically been on here and do paint her as a loon but now, considering that no one is backing up any of the allegations just saying "everybody knows she's a loon" I feel that it's probably not so and simply another attempt by the unthinking to seem smart by jumping on the pileup and saying "I'M RIGHT, SEE!!!!"

Anyway, I'm outta here and on my way home. Just wanted to finish this thread before I go and had to interject the argument for proper communication. Hate to pick on Dutch but he's acting the unthinking part here and I know it doesn't fit him normally so here goes.

The whole juvenile master debater crack doesn't hit at the person you're attacking Dutch, it belittles the entire attempt by a person to express their thoughts to others and have a dialog that has any meaning. It basically boils any critical thinking down into a disparaging "why bother with facts and logic, just be a dumbass and agree with me" and that is the sickest, worst concept in my mind. Unfortunately enough people ignore logic like yours and perservere so the species continues to let mindless drones breed like rabbits and think like amoebas and expect the ones they mock to bail their butts out for the sake of the species.

Wow, thanks, I haven't really had a good I hate humans rant in a long time and it really feels good to be able to have one again.

This has been fun.

BTW, are you basically saying you hate all people and wish them destroyed because people wouldn't debate an asinine point in a message board thread the way you want them to? You have a lower threshold of hate than most klansmen.

[st.cronin]

lol w/ GrantDawg

lol @ anybody taking this thread seriously

[ice4277]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

lol w/ GrantDawg

lol @ anybody taking this thread seriously

You hear the latest about Tom Brady?

[wade moore]

Originally Posted by WVUFAN

Yes it is, again using a correct definition.




Not in the strictest sense, but it certainly wasn't communism. Has anyone actually read The Communist Manifesto?

Totally agree about the communism thing. I'm guessing you didn't see or forgot because it was days ago that I said the same exact thing ... I am probably one of the few people in this thread that has read it ... when i get time, i'm starting a thread on this ...

[WVUFAN]

Originally Posted by wade moore

Totally agree about the communism thing. I'm guessing you didn't see or forgot because it was days ago that I said the same exact thing ... I am probably one of the few people in this thread that has read it ... when i get time, i'm starting a thread on this ...

I completely missed it. Went back and read the post, and I completely agree with you -- it seems a great number of people misunderstand the meaning of true communism.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by WVUFAN

I completely missed it. Went back and read the post, and I completely agree with you -- it seems a great number of people misunderstand the meaning of true communism.

Isn't it true that there is a secondary, non-technical meaning of 'communist' which would be something like 'too ideologically liberal to be trusted with authority'?

Not trying to be snooty or funny, it just seems the word is used that way. There was a time when to label somebody 'communist' meant 'anti-american,' but that usage has largely faded away.

[WVUFAN]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Isn't it true that there is a secondary, non-technical meaning of 'communist' which would be something like 'too ideologically liberal to be trusted with authority'?

Not trying to be snooty or funny, it just seems the word is used that way. There was a time when to label somebody 'communist' meant 'anti-american,' but that usage has largely faded away.

Not sure if I agree with the "too liberal to be trusted ..." definition, but it certainly was used during the McCarthy era to note someone was anti-American. Oddly enough, McCarthy used fascist tactics during that time, so calling someone a communist is somewhat ironic, in a way. Fascism and the "Soviet" form of socialism bear more than a resemblance to one another.

[wade moore]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Isn't it true that there is a secondary, non-technical meaning of 'communist' which would be something like 'too ideologically liberal to be trusted with authority'?

Not trying to be snooty or funny, it just seems the word is used that way. There was a time when to label somebody 'communist' meant 'anti-american,' but that usage has largely faded away.

In addition to what WVUFan said, I would actually argue that many of the people in today's American culture that throw around "communist" do mean anti-american...

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by wade moore

In addition to what WVUFan said, I would actually argue that many of the people in today's American culture that throw around "communist" do mean anti-american...

I agree there are cases where it does mean that; it just seems to me that particular meaning is fading away.

[st.cronin]

dola

probably because of the end of the cold war

[Shkspr]

Originally Posted by stevew

Sometimes i think that people are just looking for a fight....

...including Rep. McKinney?

[dacman]

You'll never guess who's birthday is March 29. Sen. Eugene McCarthy, I kid you not.

**cue Twilight Zone music**

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by Shkspr

...including Rep. McKinney?

Well-played, sir!

More from the AJC on this incident. This could get quite fun.

McKinney hits Capitol officer at checkpoint

WASHINGTON — Rep. Cynthia McKinney of Georgia struck a Capitol Hill police officer Wednesday morning after the officer, not recognizing her as a member of Congress, tried to stop her from stepping around a security checkpoint, police confirmed.
The incident "has been brought to our attention and it is being investigated," said Sgt. Kimberly Schneider, a spokeswoman for Capitol Hill police.
Congressional and police authorities, who spoke on condition that they not be named, said the investigation into the incident would stretch into today and that no arrest warrant would be issued for the DeKalb County Democrat — if, indeed, one is — until it is completed.
McKinney issued a statement Wednesday night saying she regretted the confontation.
"I know that Capitol Hill Police are securing our safety, and I appreciate the work that they do. I have demonstrated my support for them in the past, and I continue to support them now," she said.
A deputy police chief and a representative of the House's sergeant-at-arms visited McKinney's congressional office Wednesday afternoon. Neither commented to reporters.
The officer involved was not identified, but police officials said he was ready to press charges against McKinney — a rare, if not unprecedented, action by a Capitol police officer against a member of Congress.
Police and congressional officials said they were not aware of any other incidents in which a member of Congress struck a Capitol Hill police officer or an officer pressed charges against a member, though conflicts between members and police at security checkpoints are not rare.
The incident occurred when McKinney was entering a House office building on Capitol Hill. She started walking around a metal detector and X-ray machine at one of the building's entrances, as members of Congress are allowed to do, when the officer tried to stop her, congressional and police officials said.
The officer either tapped McKinney on the shoulder or grabbed her arm, they said. McKinney spun around and struck the officer, though there are conflicting reports about whether she slapped him, punched him in the chest or hit him with a cellphone she had in her hand, they said.
Congressional staffers who have worked with McKinney said several factors may have contributed to the officer's failure to recognize McKinney as a member of Congress.
McKinney usually does not wear the special lapel pin given to members of Congress to make them easier to identify, and she apparently was not wearing it Wednesday morning, congressional and police officials said. Kerri Hanley, of the House sergeant-at-arms' office, said members are not required to wear the pin, though most do.
Police also keep books with pictures of each member at security checkpoints in the Capitol and in House and Senate office buildings to help them recognize lawmakers. However, even if the officer had consulted the book, he may not have recognized McKinney, who has altered her hairstyle since her official House photo was taken, congressional aides noted.
This is not the first time McKinney has had an encounter with Capitol Hill police. When she first arrived in Congress in 1993, an officer failed to recognize her because she was new and not wearing the congressional pin. After she complained, police put pictures of McKinney up at each security checkpoint to ensure it would not happen again.
McKinney also once ran into problems at the White House. USA Today reported that when McKinney, who is African-American, and a young white aide arrived at a welcoming ceremony in May 1998 for then-Italian Prime Minister Romano Prodi, the guard at the gate deferred to the aide as the person of authority. Once in the executive mansion, McKinney said, another guard tried to stop her until Rep. James Moran (D-Va.) stepped in.
"I am absolutely sick and tired of having to have my appearance at the White House validated by white people," McKinney wrote in a complaint to then-President Bill Clinton. "I don't need to be stopped or questioned because I happen to look like hired help."
The White House apologized to McKinney.
Republicans were quick to comment on Wednesday's incident, circulating an e-mail noting that McKinney's confrontation with the Capitol Hill officer came on the same day that her party announced an election-year "affirmation" of its commitment to shoring up the nation's security.
"On the day when Democrats held a media stunt to unveil their security agenda, Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney (D-Ga.) hit a Capitol police officer. Not exactly a show of support for law enforcement," wrote Sean Spicer, spokesman for the House Republican Conference..

The Boortz show starts in a few moments. I don't listen to him every day, but I wouldn't miss this one. Definitely a silver lining to still being stuck at home sick. Today oughta be FUNNNNN!!! Listen live at http://www.wsbradio.com if you want. With this kind of material, he should be quite entertaining.

[Ben E Lou]

The two hairstyles:

Rep. Cynthia McKinney has altered her hairstyle since her House photo was taken, aides say, perhaps causing the error.

[wade moore]

Just turned Boortz on, hoping I didn't miss him talking about this.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by wade moore

Just turned Boortz on, hoping I didn't miss him talking about this.

Surprisingly, he hasn't said much yet besides a brief mention, and Royal made a joke about wanting to hit someone in traffic with his cell phone, "since that appears to be the weapon of the day." I wonder if they're waiting until 10AM when he goes national through syndication.

[Ben E Lou]

Ah. He's about to talk about. Sounds like he's gonna pick on Ol' Billy some, too. Just commented that "The apple doesn't fall far from the tree."

[wade moore]

They just made another quick reference...

You know, as a fan of talk radio, I'm really not a big fan of Boortz.

[Ben E Lou]

Ah....it makes sense. He just teased it now, and he'll begin the discussion after the next break, probably so that it bleeds over on to the national portion of the show.

[Ben E Lou]

LOL. Did Billy really threaten to STAB a fellow member on the Georgia House floor?

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by SkyDog

The two hairstyles:

I still question how you couldn't recognize her. She is the only person I've ever seen that her jaw literally unhinges.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by SkyDog

LOL. Did Billy really threaten to STAB a fellow member on the Georgia House floor?

Accounts of that incident vary. Billy himself denied the charge, telling reporters at the time (1995 I think it was) that "I don't carry a knife, I carry a gun."

[stevew]

Man, looks like she hit the all you can eat buffet a few times since that photo was taken.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by stevew

Man, looks like she hit the all you can eat buffet a few times since that photo was taken.

Well, that's part of the discussion on the Boortz show--that she's gained weight and changed her hairstyle. FWIW, she looks a good bit bigger in that photo than she did when I had my encounter with her. (Going to do a thread search to see when that was...)

[Ben E Lou]

Wow. December 9th.

[Axxon]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

Ummmm...what accusations? That she's a nut? See article on her hitting the policeman today.

Well, that hadn't been posted when I was replying. I still haven't had time to read it as my only internet connection is here at work. From what I saw on television though it appears a case of elected official arrogance and being caught by surprise. Stupid? Sure but a sign of her being a nut? Not so much.

Fact is, there is nothing but anectdotal evidence, presented by people with bias on this thread. Amusing, sure but not really convincing. Not that the thread was set up for that purpose but still.

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

BTW, are you basically saying you hate all people and wish them destroyed because people wouldn't debate an asinine point in a message board thread the way you want them to? You have a lower threshold of hate than most klansmen.

You got me. Years of trying to come to terms with how people treat each other was predicated on the fact that one day in the future, on a message board, I'd see a thread that so affected me it changed my very past.

Hmm, on second thought, no, that's not it.

My problem with people, which is illustrated in this page is how we generally treat people who make an attempt to think logically. Now, people don't have much ability to change the brains they were born with but everyone has the ability to use what they have more effectively and I believe that's a good thing.

Many don't. Those are the people that are at the root of my disdain. In Athens, when Socrates tried to get the citizenry to think more effectively they killed him. Now, we just ridicule and try to shame people into zombiehood. Why?

Well, it seems to me that there is a vested interest in keeping people stupider than you. It's a matter of control. If you can keep others at a lower footing in using their brains you can keep a level of superiority on them. Again, it's not IQ, it's using what you have. It's how the con artist scams his victims, many of which are "smart". Course they are, but they're not thinking and the con man is. It's a built in bias and to me, anyone who engages in this is knowingly exploiting his fellow man for his own gains.

I happen to despise this and despise it more because it tends to Harrison Bergeron folks in that the level tends to sink rather than rise and it seems to me to be anti progress. I tend to get upset when I see situations like this occur and it's happening on this thread. It seems pretty humiliating to the species in general when it's done so obviously and yet we see the victims revelling in bovinellike bliss while they're being taken advantage of, simply because being challenged is hard and being told you're peachy keen in your ignorance is so damned easy and fulfilling. It's irritating.

Now, to go beyond this thread, I noticed a troubling trend in politics. The republican party is actually trying to demonize the word "intellectual" and those who try and think. Their reason is simple, they are the party in power and again, as long as they are, it's easier to maintain that power if they keep those who elect them stupid and happy, even if it's akin to Nero fiddling while Rome burns.

The democrats have tried similar "Ours is not to reason why, ours is but to do or die" is one of the most heinous qoutes I've ever heard uttered for example. If the leaders want to try and pull this kind of crap, fine but when the sheeple start buying it en mass it's really frustrating. As I wrote before though, they'll mock these people that are "different" but they'll sure as heck run to them for their needs. No point here but just to explain a line I wrote earlier.

So, this is way too long but I believe that your point needed addressing and it is why my buttons were pushed. It isn't the thread subject nor is it the banter in the thread but I see the dangerous slipping into mediocrity and it's actually extremely one sided in this thread, and it's being done by those who should be well aware of what they're doing ( including the mocking of anyone challenging their attacks like I did ) and well, yeah, if this is where the species is heading and wants to head then I see no real reason for them to continue to exist.

This is extremely different from the klan though in that I wouldn't mind all life being erradicated, not pick and choose among people. My position also was derived by legitimate concern for the species. Heck, if I wanted to, I could easily use the tactics above and would be living a much more comfortable life. I feel my position is consistant. I do my best to try and combat this and win a few, lose a few. I don't plan to stop until I'm dead and buried.

But when I see the total futility of the effort it's frustrating and I certainly do hate the species. Not individuals, I've said that many times, but the entire mess of us. I really wonder what it is that makes us worthy of existence beyond the obvious one that I'm part of the species. Sometimes that isn't enough.

Lastly, don't think I sit here working myself into a lather over this. It's just a venting of feelings and that's fairly healthy considering I'm not aiming it at anyone in particular and live the exact opposite of these feelings. I think it's a healthy release thus the thanking everyone and the smileys.

Anyway, that explains that.

[MrBigglesworth]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

And that's what I'd expect of most. She's an embarrasment to most Dems that I know, and the fact that some here defends her just shows there are many on the left on this board that are just as sold out as the right.

That's a psuedo-jeffy: nobody here is defending her, per se, I've mentioned a couple times that she very well could be a communist that got plowed by James Baker. I just noted the lack of evidence to the charges, and the vapidness of the argument. Fine by me if that is your thing, but in this case the poster acts all sanctimonious and starts banning people just when a thread has a liberal title. Like someone before mentioned, if this thing was written about Bush it would have its title changed at least, and most likely be closed. Everyone knows it, I was just pointing it out.

As they say, if you call the tune...

[Shepp]

This is off topic a little bit but its something I think about every time a see anything about Cynthia Mckinney.

I work as a police officer in Dekalb County and the year that Denise Magette beat McKinney for congress (I think it was 2002), several officers from my watch had to go to the next precent over, to Denise Magette's campaign headquarters off Memorial Drive (aka. Cynthia Mckinney Pkwy...not joking), to help put down a near riot on election day.

What happened was, that on election day Denise Magette had offered 75.00 dollars cash to anyone who would stand on the side of the road, street corners, and such with campaign signs to support her. These folks started early in the morning and did this all day till about 9:00pm. At the end of the day the roughly 200 people who did this came to the campaign headquarters to get paid. The problem started when the office only had enough cash to pay, something like, the first 20 people. Needless to say the rest of the folks were not happy and that is when the police were called.

I remember standing there thinking how dirty that was and hoping that, if that was the way Denise Magette conducted business, that she not win the election.

We had just about calmed down and dispersed the crowd when we got called to leave there and go to south precinct to help them with the exact same thing going on at Cynthia Mckinney's campaign headquarters.

Both Magette and McKinney had placated the crowds by offering IOU's to the people that they couldn't pay. I couldn't help but wonder if those people (especially the folks who worked for McKinney since she lost) ever got paid. After that night I didn't really care for either one of them and wondered if that is the way American politicians operate in general.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by MrBigglesworth

That's a psuedo-jeffy: nobody here is defending her, per se, I've mentioned a couple times that she very well could be a communist that got plowed by James Baker. I just noted the lack of evidence to the charges, and the vapidness of the argument. Fine by me if that is your thing, but in this case the poster acts all sanctimonious and starts banning people just when a thread has a liberal title. Like someone before mentioned, if this thing was written about Bush it would have its title changed at least, and most likely be closed. Everyone knows it, I was just pointing it out.

As they say, if you call the tune...

But the reason no one tried to argue that she is a communist is because no one actually believes she is an actual commie. It is hyperbole (as I pointed out earlier). And the whole "if it were Bush it would have to be changed" has been addressed too. Prove it. More right-wing nuts have been banned in the history of the board than left-wing nuts. A thread was started just to "prove" that the thread would be locked or the person banned. Neither happened. This crying persecution complex looks no better on you than on Franklinoble.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Shepp

... and wondered if that is the way American politicians operate in general.

I doubt it.

In most places they would have needed to pay up front

[MrBigglesworth]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

But the reason no one tried to argue that she is a communist is because no one actually believes she is an actual commie. It is hyperbole (as I pointed out earlier). And the whole "if it were Bush it would have to be changed" has been addressed too. Prove it. More right-wing nuts have been banned in the history of the board than left-wing nuts. A thread was started just to "prove" that the thread would be locked or the person banned. Neither happened. This crying persecution complex looks no better on you than on Franklinoble.

You still aren't getting it. I know it's just name calling (or 'hyperbole' if you want to use an intelligent sounding word for it). My point is that these kind of threads are more worthless than some legitimate discussions that get pushed aside for political reasons, left or right. I'm not the great liberal defender that you would like me to be. I have said the same things regarding the capsicum incident and Bubba Wheels posts.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by MrBigglesworth

You still aren't getting it. I know it's just name calling (or 'hyperbole' if you want to use an intelligent sounding word for it). My point is that these kind of threads are more worthless than some legitimate discussions that get pushed aside for political reasons, left or right. I'm not the great liberal defender that you would like me to be. I have said the same things regarding the capsicum incident and Bubba Wheels posts.

Didnt i(a convervative) just get blasted for saying a comment ms. clinton said was stupid, and not even her being stupid? Liberals need to get off their imaginary cross of persecution and realize its quite fair...

[Blade6119]

dola, and the discussion of worthless threads should never enter FOFC again...ive seen like 1 worthwhile thread this MONTH....

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by MrBigglesworth

You still aren't getting it. I know it's just name calling (or 'hyperbole' if you want to use an intelligent sounding word for it). My point is that these kind of threads are more worthless than some legitimate discussions that get pushed aside for political reasons, left or right. I'm not the great liberal defender that you would like me to be. I have said the same things regarding the capsicum incident and Bubba Wheels posts.

In your opinion, these threads are worthless without some sort of discussion. In my opinion, threads like these can be fun without all the "holier-than-thou" rhetoric.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

dola, and the discussion of worthless threads should never enter FOFC again...ive seen like 1 worthwhile thread this MONTH....

link please, cause I missed it

[stevew]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

link please, cause I missed it

Your 100 dollar bill thread.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

It is hyperbole (as I pointed out earlier).

...or, perhaps it is a little play on her nickname.

Potential good news in the AJC this morning:

McKinney faces arrest over security incident

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 03/31/06 WASHINGTON — Capitol Hill police are expected to seek an arrest warrant next week for Rep. Cynthia McKinney of Georgia, who was involved in a physical confrontation with a Capitol police officer Wednesday, police and legal authorities said Thursday.
Officially, the investigation of the incident, in which the DeKalb County Democrat allegedly struck a police officer who tried to stop her from going around a security checkpoint, is ongoing, said Sgt. Kimberly Schneider, spokeswoman for Capitol Hill police.
However, police have notified the federal prosecutor's office in Washington that they will be seeking an arrest warrant after the investigation is complete next week, said police and legal authorities, who spoke on the condition that they not be named because the investigation was not yet complete.
McKinney ignored a reporter's questions Thursday as she walked into the Capitol, before word of the planned arrest warrant. She could not be reached for comment later Thursday.
In a statement released Wednesday, McKinney said, "I deeply regret that the incident occurred."
McKinney's office said she may hold a news conference today in Washington.
The U.S. attorney's office must approve any warrant before police can take it to a judge for final approval. The prosecutor's office also would have to notify the Justice Department because the warrant would involve a sitting member of Congress.
Charges could range from assault on a police officer, a felony carrying a possible five-year prison term, to simple assault, which is a misdemeanor, police and legal officials said.
Capitol Hill police have viewed a security camera videotape of the incident, which occurred in a House office building around 9 a.m. Wednesday. However, one official familiar with the tape said it doesn't clearly show what happened.
The tape, the official said, only shows McKinney walking around the security checkpoint, which members of Congress are allowed to do. It does not show her confrontation with the officer who, not recognizing McKinney as a member of Congress, tried to stop her and have her go through the metal detector. McKinney acknowledged that she was not wearing the special lapel pin given to the 435 House members to make them easier to identify.
Andy Maybo, head of the Capitol Hill chapter of the Fraternal Order of Police, praised the officer involved in the incident, who has not been identified.
The police union, he said, was "extremely proud of our officer. He has upheld his duties and responsibilities in a professional manner," Maybo said. "He was correct in his actions and we support him 100 percent."
House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), talking to reporters Thursday, called the incident "a mistake," and said she hoped the police and McKinney could settle the dispute.
Pelosi said it was understandable that an officer who didn't recognize a member of Congress would try to stop her from going around a checkpoint. But she added, "I can also understand that members who have been here a long time think they're recognizable. I wouldn't make a big deal of this."
Back home in McKinney's district, DeKalb County Commissioner Hank Johnson, who plans to challenge her in this year's election, said the incident was just further evidence that she was undeserving of her office.
"For years, it's the people of the 4th District who have suffered and been shortchanged because of our representative's behavior in Congress," Johnson said in a statement. "It's why she is ineffective in Congress."
But a number of people at South DeKalb Mall in the heart of McKinney's district Thursday remained largely supportive.
"She is a good woman," said Andrew Hicks of DeKalb County. "I will always support her, 100 percent."
Fred Maxwell, also of DeKalb, agreed.
"Had she been one of the white persons, they would not have asked for her ID," he said. "I still think the Republicans are trying to get her out of office."
Steven McGhee of Atlanta said McKinney "damaged herself" in the incident, but he's not counting her out.
"She lost her composure," he said. "But she will probably bounce back. I would vote for her, because she is a fighter."
Wednesday's incident was not the first time a Capitol Hill police officer failed to recognize McKinney as a member of Congress. Her office on Thursday posted on her Web site a clip from a documentary, "American Blackout," that features one such encounter.
The clip first shows a black police officer recognizing McKinney and welcoming her back to Congress in 2005, when she returned after a two-year hiatus because of a 2002 re-election defeat. It then shows a white officer approaching her and the filmmakers as they enter the Capitol grounds, asking McKinney and the crew to identify themselves. Told that McKinney is a member of Congress, the officers backs off and starts apologizing.
"That's just the typical kind of treatment that I receive," McKinney says on camera. "So I'm not surprised and I'm not offended."
In what she says is a quote from the late hip-hop artist Tupac Shakur, she adds, "Some things never change."

Gee, that last section is a shocker. I can't believe ol' Cynthia played the race card.

[Qwikshot]

I wanna run for Congress, anyone want to vote for me?

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by SkyDog

...or, perhaps it is a little play on her nickname.

Potential good news in the AJC this morning:

Gee, that last section is a shocker. I can't believe ol' Cynthia played the race card.

Good Lord. That last story is an example of why she is such a joke. If a white but unknown congressman came through the Capital with camera crews, does she really believe he wouldn't be stopped? I can guarentee that if I came through the halls of the Capital with a camera crew I would be stopped. There is no doubt in my mind that racism still exists, and it exists in many that wear badges, but her little persecution thing because she believes she is above everybody else is ridiculous.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Qwikshot

I wanna run for Congress, anyone want to vote for me?

Are you running against Cynnnnthia?