OT: The FOFC Television Draft - Draft Thread

[revrew]

Originally Posted by Anxiety

I know that a lot of folks like and respect the Honeymooners and I Love Lucy, but to be honest, I don't think that those two shows stand the test of time as well as some contemporary shows of the day. I really think those two are overrated and that the major two actors (lucy and jackie) seem to have one major schtick and stick with in through thick and thin.

-Anxiety

Couldnt' disagree more. And adding to the Seinfeld pick controversy (perhaps the most controversial thus far), I think the controversy itself points to a--perhaps to be expected--bias toward the contemporary on the part of most of the discussion thus far.

I suggest that Seinfeld and certain other (not-yet-picked, so I won't name them) won't stand the "test of time" nearly as well as the oldies. "I Love Lucy" is still talked about 50 years later. Will Seinfeld? I'm guessing it won't.

But, lest you think me too old-fashioned, I think Gunsmoke--while a great sleeper pick at some point--doesn't have the emotional pull to be its team's franchise player. I would have went with a flashier QB first and hoped to pull this dependable RB later.

[Crapshoot]

fair enough - give me a minute to find a link.
http://www.cbs.com/specials/cbs_75/timeline/1960.shtml

CBS Evening NEws with Walter Cronkite - would that work ? Apologize for the confusion if it doesn't.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Crapshoot

fair enough - give me a minute to find a link.
http://www.cbs.com/specials/cbs_75/timeline/1960.shtml

CBS Evening NEws with Walter Cronkite - would that work ? Apologize for the confusion if it doesn't.

Just off-hand ... As the rocket lands on the lunar surface at 4:19 PM, EDT ... the time suggests to me that it couldn't have been part of the CBS Evening News

[Maple Leafs]

Cronkite was the host, but I'm 99% sure it was special coverage.

FYI, my orginal first round pick was going to be Cronkite's voice cracking as he announced the death of John F. Kennedy. But after digging, I couldn't find any evidence that it happened on a regular program.

I'm not trying to make things complicated... it's just that this was meant to be a draft focused on TV shows, not world events that were televised (which is almost all of them of the last 50 years). If we don't draw the line, half the "moment" picks will be breaking news moments -- 9/11, the Challenger, the Berlin Wall, Oswald is shot, etc.

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by revrew

Couldnt' disagree more. And adding to the Seinfeld pick controversy (perhaps the most controversial thus far), I think the controversy itself points to a--perhaps to be expected--bias toward the contemporary on the part of most of the discussion thus far.

I suggest that Seinfeld and certain other (not-yet-picked, so I won't name them) won't stand the "test of time" nearly as well as the oldies. "I Love Lucy" is still talked about 50 years later. Will Seinfeld? I'm guessing it won't.

But, lest you think me too old-fashioned, I think Gunsmoke--while a great sleeper pick at some point--doesn't have the emotional pull to be its team's franchise player. I would have went with a flashier QB first and hoped to pull this dependable RB later.

I thik Seinfeld is overrated as well, and I think two of THE best possible picks for this are still around and from the early days of TV, so this is not a time bias thing on my part, at least.


-Anxiety

[Crapshoot]

Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

Cronkite was the host, but I'm 99% sure it was special coverage.

FYI, my orginal first round pick was going to be Cronkite's voice cracking as he announced the death of John F. Kennedy. But after digging, I couldn't find any evidence that it happened on a regular program.

I'm not trying to make things complicated... it's just that this was meant to be a draft focused on TV shows, not world events that were televised (which is almost all of them of the last 50 years). If we don't draw the line, half the "moment" picks will be breaking news moments -- 9/11, the Challenger, the Berlin Wall, Oswald is shot, etc.

Fair enough - I'll change my pick..

And JIMGA - I saw the same time you did, but figured it was expanded coverage.

2.5 - Comedy - Performer - The Fonz, in Happy Days

[Maple Leafs]

Close enough!

(You're actually drafting real people, not characters, so I'll put you down for Henry Winkler.)

[Maple Leafs]

By the way, someone asked for clarification on this: A performer is a single person, not a group, duo, etc.

[Crapshoot]

Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

Close enough!

(You're actually drafting real people, not characters, so I'll put you down for Henry Winkler.)

You know, I feel stupid - I just read that in the rules, but forgot to type out Winkler in the role - I know he can't be selected again. Brain Fart.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Crapshoot

2.5 - Comedy - Performer - The Fonz, in Happy Days

Good call IMO, was on my list very close to next as well.

[Maple Leafs]

Hey Jon, should I still be using your list if/when you're not around?

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

Close enough!

(You're actually drafting real people, not characters, so I'll put you down for Henry Winkler.)

But the Fonz is cool. Henry Winkler is not.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

Hey Jon, should I still be using your list if/when you're not around?

If it isn't dead yet, please do ... I'm having a hell of a time keeping up here and working at the same time. And considering the original deadline on this work project was Thanksgiving, I fear it kinda has to come first

[Maple Leafs]

Will do.

ThunderingHerd is up... he didn't send a pick, so I'm assuming he'll be along any minute.

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

Will do.

ThunderingHerd is up... he didn't send a pick, so I'm assuming he'll be along any minute.

Do you need me to crack some skulls?

[Crapshoot]

Eh - I should be back in time for 2.8

[sachmo71]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Just off-hand ... As the rocket lands on the lunar surface at 4:19 PM, EDT ... the time suggests to me that it couldn't have been part of the CBS Evening News

The evening was a lot earlier back then. And longer.

[kcchief19]

Originally Posted by revrew

Couldnt' disagree more. And adding to the Seinfeld pick controversy (perhaps the most controversial thus far), I think the controversy itself points to a--perhaps to be expected--bias toward the contemporary on the part of most of the discussion thus far.

I suggest that Seinfeld and certain other (not-yet-picked, so I won't name them) won't stand the "test of time" nearly as well as the oldies. "I Love Lucy" is still talked about 50 years later. Will Seinfeld? I'm guessing it won't.

I take the opposite view. Your's is a popular view -- I've heard many people talk about how amazing "I Love Lucy" is because people still talk about it. But the only people who talk about it are people who were alive when it was on originally or grew up with the reruns. Aske a 20-year-old about the show and the best answer you might get, "Oh, I think I saw that on Nick at Nite when I was four." Generation X is the end of the "I Love Lucy" generation. Once we're gone, that's it.

I think Seinfeld will have slightly less shelf life, not because of a lower quality of greatness but because of the state of the times. Remember, some of those Seinfeld episodes were waxing nostalgic about are already 15 years old. I imagine that due to the 500-channel digital world and increased entertainment competition, Seinfeld probably won't be as popular a rerun in 2020 as I Love Lucy was in 1980.

But "I Love Lucy" is not Shakespeare. It's not eternal.

[Crapshoot]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Good call IMO, was on my list very close to next as well.

thanks - I realized that I had completely blanked out on this, and I figure I may as well load up on one category early...

[ThunderingHERD]

Moment - Edward R. Murrow takes on Joseph McCarthy on See It Now (other).

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by ThunderingHERD

Moment - Edward R. Murrow takes on Joseph McCarthy on See It Now (other).

Wow.


-Anxiety

[Maple Leafs]

I like that pick... maybe a little more obscure than others, but should impress some voters.

[WSUCougar]

Yeah, wow. My whole concept of how this draft would proceed has long since flown the coop.

[Abe Sargent]

I just want to say that I think you broke this draft with that pick. Amazing! I am stunned. This is an absolutely courageous choice and I adore it! This is one of those events that changed the world. Someone reporting a death and crying is touching, but at the end of the day, that was just reporting events thaat happened. This is arguably one of the few truly inspiring moments that changed things. Great call.


-Anxiety

[Raven]

Other, Shows
ESPN SportsCenter


We used to get a 5 minute sports wrapup on our local television news. Now we get indepth analysis, recaps, highlights and more several times a day, every day.

[ThunderingHERD]

I didn't think it was such an obscure pick, what with Good Night and Good Luck getting so much hype. And strategically, it fit in with what I'm doing. But thanks.

[Crapshoot]

Originally Posted by ThunderingHERD

Moment - Edward R. Murrow takes on Joseph McCarthy on See It Now (other).

Great pick. I was going to go with that, but decided to stick to a light hearted approach for now - and my hopes of it lasting till 2.8 have sadly been dashed.

[Crapshoot]

2.8 - Newhart, the Finale - It was all a dream.

As a moment, Comedy.

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by Crapshoot

2.8 - Newhart, the Finale - It was all a dream.

Another person steals my pick.

[Maple Leafs]

Originally Posted by Crapshoot

2.8 - Newhart, the Finale - It was all a dream.

As a moment, Comedy.

This may be my all-time favorite TV moment. Not the most important, most memorable, etc... but it was just so brilliant and done so perfectly. People who say that the Seinfeld finale could never have lived up to expectations should watch this one.

"You should really wear more sweaters."

[Radii]

2.9 - Performer - Comedy - Bill Cosby as Cliff Huxtable (The Cosby Show)


One of the best sitcoms ever, the reruns are still hilarious today, and Bill Cosby stands out as one of the best TV Dads in history.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

This may be my all-time favorite TV moment. Not the most important, most memorable, etc... but it was just so brilliant and done so perfectly. People who say that the Seinfeld finale could never have lived up to expectations should watch this one.

"You should really wear more sweaters."

I agree 100% with this. Not only taking Newhart a great show, but this to me is the all time best finale of any show on TV, even better than MASH (though I don't have quite the connection to MASH that I do to Newhart). ML did get one thing wrong.

"No more Chinese" is the best line from that scene.

[Barkeep49]

Dola -- I've the last few picks acutally. All have been wonderful picks, each groundbreaking in their own way from the good (Cosby), the bad (McCarthy), and the ugly (Spontscenter -- ok maybe not ugly, but you know).

[WSUCougar]

2.10: Show, other, Star Trek

Sure, there are many that scoff at Trek and use it as a punchline for sci-fi nerds and geeks. But it spawned a massive TV, movie, and computer game empire that continues in powerhouse fashion some forty years later. Not to mention I love it.

3.1: Moment, comedy, WKRP's turkey drop scene
"Oh the humanity!" "With God as my witness, I thought turkeys could fly"

[Maple Leafs]

Man, in all the time I've had to think about this, the WKRP scene never came to mind. But it's a brilliant pick.

[Maple Leafs]

Radii sent a pick! God bless him...

He takes:
3.2 Moment, other - Ali vs. Foreman, the Rumble in the Jungle (ABC's Wide World of Sports)

I honestly have no idea if the fight actually took place of Wide World, but he seemed pretty confident. If he turns out to be wrong he can repick, but the draft can continue in the meantime.

[Radii]

http://espn.go.com/abcsports/wwos/milestones/1970s.html

Jan 5, 1975. I thought of taking Wide World of Sports as a show in other but after some googling figured there were a lot of great moments within the show and it was worth taking as a moment.

[Crapshoot]

mother! he got the "Rumble in the Jungle"- smart man!

[kcchief19]

I'm with Cougar ... my concept of how this was going to work is out the window. My esoteric side is going to rear its ugly head and eat Tokyo during this draft.

Via trade with Crapshoot, I'll take

3.3 Comedy, moment: Mary Tyler Moore Show, Chuckles the Clown Dies

[vtbub]

I can't edit ML's post, but I think Jon is on the clock.

[Abe Sargent]

I thought that the Cosby Show would have been way up there, I think it fell. You can't understate its importance or entertainment value.

I thought the Newhart show was the top moment on the board at the very beginning - I had it in my head all along.


-Anxiety

[Crapshoot]

Originally Posted by Anxiety

I thought that the Cosby Show would have been way up there, I think it fell. You can't understate its importance or entertainment value.

I thought the Newhart show was the top moment on the board at the very beginning - I had it in my head all along.


-Anxiety

Definitely would have been a 4th round choice for me, but I figured I had my top comedy already. I like Newhart, but I think Cheers was just significantly better - I was sure it would have been gone in round 1.

[Abe Sargent]

Ummmmm


How is Star Trek other and not drama?


-Anxiety

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by Anxiety

Ummmmm


How is Star Trek other and not drama?


-Anxiety

Ok, it's official: You are the TV draft's version of okjibwa.

[Schmidty]

My pick is 5 from now. I am so tired, I can't even rmotely think.

I am going to bed. I doubt my pick will be up before I wake up. If it is, I'm sorry. Goodnight.

[Maple Leafs]

Hi guys...

My bad, I had to head out for the night. I sent a pick to vtbub to keep things moving, but I forgot that Jon had a pick in between -- he's the one guy who's sent a nice long list to work from, so I should have passed that on bub as well.

His pick is:
3.4 Performer, comedy - Dick Van Dyke (The Dick Van Dyke Show)

Herd is up.

[Maple Leafs]

Hm... from what I can tell, Herd never posts here during the day. He didn't send me a pick... I don't suppose he sent one to anyone else?

[Maple Leafs]

I'll give HERD until noon EST to show up. I understand that not everyone can be around all day, but he knew his pick was coming up and apparently didn't send one in. I won't remove him from the draft but I would like to keep this moving so we have some momentum going into the weekend.

Are there any observers who'd like to volunteer to make a pick for HERD if he doesn't show up by noon?

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by Schmidty

Ok, it's official: You are the TV draft's version of okjibwa.

????


-Anxiety

[Maple Leafs]

I think it's time to move on... I've asked someone to make a pick on Herd's behalf. The good news is that while we waited, a handful of other people did send lists so hopefully things will pick up.