2006 (ET/CT Time Zone) Torino Olympics Thread (Spoiler Rules in First Post) - Page 3

DaddyTorgo · 02-12-2006, 02:27 AM

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Originally Posted by dervack

You know, hearing that Kwan is withdrawing from the Olympics makes me irritated that she took a spot for someone else who had qualified for the team at the US championships.

i don't think she has actually withdrawn yet. and they said if she does withdraw that the other Hughes sister is her backup.

dervack · 02-12-2006, 02:35 AM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

i don't think she has actually withdrawn yet. and they said if she does withdraw that the other Hughes sister is her backup.

I wasn't sure if they could replace her once she did withdraw. If they can good. It's on the Olympics home page that she did withdraw already.

dervack · 02-12-2006, 02:36 AM

Dola,

http://www.nbcolympics.com/news/5101092/detail.html

DaddyTorgo · 02-12-2006, 02:45 AM

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Originally Posted by dervack

Dola,

http://www.nbcolympics.com/news/5101092/detail.html

wow. i'm sure she didn't "want" to, but that's pretty lame.

dervack · 02-12-2006, 02:53 AM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

wow. i'm sure she didn't "want" to, but that's pretty lame.

Reading the article it states they are going to ask to replace Kwan, but it isn't a sure thing. I hope they let her be replaced.

kingfc22 · 02-12-2006, 03:13 AM

I can't wait for Monday. CURLING!! WOO!!!!

Eaglesfan27 · 02-12-2006, 03:20 AM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

catching some of the early stuff on the replay.

wow...that throw-triple-axle is BADASS.

That was what my cryptic wow comment was about before. I was amazed they pulled it off.

Eaglesfan27 · 02-12-2006, 03:22 AM

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Originally Posted by dervack

You know, hearing that Kwan is withdrawing from the Olympics makes me irritated that she took a spot for someone else who had qualified for the team at the US championships.

I thought she petitioned and didn't take someone else's spot. I thought we didn't have another skater that qualified to go, so that there was no downside to the USA for her to go.

Eaglesfan27 · 02-12-2006, 03:24 AM

Dola -

I'm mildly drunk, tired, and about to pass out. However, I was apparently confused about Kwan. In any case, they said that the IOC has unofficially approved Emily Hughes (The younger sister of Sara) to come to the Olympics as a replacement.

Airhog · 02-12-2006, 08:41 AM

Emily Hughes finished 3rd at the trials I believe

Honolulu_Blue · 02-12-2006, 08:43 AM

Wow!! What a race! Who knew cross-country skiing could be so exciting?

saldana · 02-12-2006, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

I thought she petitioned and didn't take someone else's spot. I thought we didn't have another skater that qualified to go, so that there was no downside to the USA for her to go.

kwan didnt skate at nationals, where the 3 top finishers qualify for the olympic team, but she petitioned the IOC for an exemption and a spot on the team based upon her previous performances and the fact that she was injured. they set this precedent by letting Nancy (whhhyyyyyyyy) Kerrigan go to Lillehammer in '94. so they bumped out emily hughes and let kwan have her spot. i thought it was bs at the time, and this only confirms it.

Craptacular · 02-12-2006, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by saldana

for anyone else watching in HD, is your picture and sound cutting in and out? Craptacular said he had some problems earlier on Universal HD with the audio, but this entire primetime show is giving me all kinds of problems with both audio and visual.

also, anyone else noticing that the audio is out of sync with the video?

Last night I also tried watching some of the coverage in HD from my local NBC affilliate through my antenna, and had a bunch of picture / sound issues again. I was getting awesome signal strength, so I don't think that was the problem. I think NBC is just having problems with their HD feed altogether. The problems were bad enough to make it unwatchable, and I flipped back to SD through DISH.

MIJB#19 · 02-12-2006, 03:16 PM

One-Two Woohoo!

ISiddiqui · 02-12-2006, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by saldana

kwan didnt skate at nationals, where the 3 top finishers qualify for the olympic team, but she petitioned the IOC for an exemption and a spot on the team based upon her previous performances and the fact that she was injured. they set this precedent by letting Nancy (whhhyyyyyyyy) Kerrigan go to Lillehammer in '94. so they bumped out emily hughes and let kwan have her spot. i thought it was bs at the time, and this only confirms it.

Spot on! I'm actually glad that Kwan pulled out, because she totally screwed over Emily Hughes. Right after they let Kwan get in, I wondered why anyone ever thought figure skating was a legit sport when crap like that happens.

Young Drachma · 02-12-2006, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by dervack

I wasn't sure if they could replace her once she did withdraw. If they can good. It's on the Olympics home page that she did withdraw already.

Kwan had to try out for her spot. And what she did, was no different than what Kerrigan did to her in 1994 when she ended up being the alternate. Hence, it wasn't unprecedented or anything.

Plus, they made her actually perform her routine, so it wasn't as though she didn't have to work for it.

I think what she did here, proves she's gracious and doesn't think she's above the sport. People need to cut this girl some slack, she's done a hell of job representing America over the years.

ISiddiqui · 02-12-2006, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Dark Cloud

Kwan had to try out for her spot. And what she did, was no different than what Kerrigan did to her in 1994 when she ended up being the alternate. Hence, it wasn't unprecedented or anything.

Plus, they made her actually perform her routine, so it wasn't as though she didn't have to work for it.

I think what she did here, proves she's gracious and doesn't think she's above the sport. People need to cut this girl some slack, she's done a hell of job representing America over the years.

Oh screw that! Gracious would have been to admit she hasn't been well enough to participate in Qualification and shouldn't try to nose her way into the US team simply based on reputation. She's a prima donna, plain and simple.

saldana · 02-12-2006, 04:19 PM

i am about half and half with agreeing with the two posts above this one, but i do give her alot of credit for walking away early enough for Emily Hughes to get here and get ready....she could easily have stayed a few more days, or not left at all...so i will give her a ton of props for doing what is best for the US team.

clintl · 02-12-2006, 04:55 PM

Why all the consternation about Kwan doing something that was within the rules to be on the team? It's not like she's the first athlete ever to have done this.

oliegirl · 02-12-2006, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Oh screw that! Gracious would have been to admit she hasn't been well enough to participate in Qualification and shouldn't try to nose her way into the US team simply based on reputation. She's a prima donna, plain and simple.

I disagree. I think her dream was to win Olympic Gold and this was her last chance, and she was going to do anything to attempt to fulfill that dream. She obviously was healthy enough when she went through what she did to get onto the team but since then has suffered some minor injuries that have thrown her off her game. If she was truly a prima donna she would have stayed, knowing that all eyes were on her, and continued to try to practice and maybe pull off a mediocre performance in 10 days. But she did the right thing and stepped aside for Hughes...I am sure it wasn't an easy decision to make, I bet there are quite a few athletes who wouldn't have done what she did and would have selfishly stayed just to stay knowing they had no shot at a medal, or even being a contender for a medal.

*insert Brando "I should have been a contender" joke here*

Vegas Vic · 02-12-2006, 05:34 PM

The Flying Tomato takes down the gold.

Eaglesfan27 · 02-12-2006, 05:40 PM

I agree that having a bunch of useless posts with generic comments is not a good strategy, but please put a spoiler warning with some space before posting results.

oliegirl · 02-12-2006, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

I agree that having a bunch of useless posts with generic comments is not a good strategy, but please put a spoiler warning with some space before posting results.

Why don't we just create a spoilers thread? This one can be for the "political" discussions and the other for results and such...

saldana · 02-12-2006, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Vegas Vic

The Flying Tomato takes down the gold.

thanks for ruining that event for everyone that planned on watching the event when they show it tonight.....

apparently some people either didnt bother or is incapable of reading the part of this thread where it says not to post spoilers.

saldana · 02-12-2006, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by oliegirl

Why don't we just create a spoilers thread? This one can be for the "political" discussions and the other for results and such...

that is pretty much what was commonly agreed upon about 40 posts ago, when the people that were frequenting this thread said they would keep specific event results confined to threads about that event unless it had already been broadcast.

Airhog · 02-12-2006, 06:41 PM

Im glad that I dont know who that is

ISiddiqui · 02-12-2006, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by oliegirl

I disagree. I think her dream was to win Olympic Gold and this was her last chance, and she was going to do anything to attempt to fulfill that dream. She obviously was healthy enough when she went through what she did to get onto the team but since then has suffered some minor injuries that have thrown her off her game. If she was truly a prima donna she would have stayed, knowing that all eyes were on her, and continued to try to practice and maybe pull off a mediocre performance in 10 days. But she did the right thing and stepped aside for Hughes...I am sure it wasn't an easy decision to make, I bet there are quite a few athletes who wouldn't have done what she did and would have selfishly stayed just to stay knowing they had no shot at a medal, or even being a contender for a medal.

*insert Brando "I should have been a contender" joke here*

There are different ways to be a prima donna, IMO. Kwan, I believe, knew she was injured and didn't want to look like a fool during the competition and taint her legacy. I think she fell during practice and just totally broke down and didn't want to look bad, so she said I'm not going to do it.

Basically I got no respect for him using the "Kerrigan rule" when the situation with Kerrigan was far different (purposeful sabotage by a competitor).

Craptacular · 02-12-2006, 08:44 PM

Am I the only one whose favorite Olympic event (summer or winter) is the downhill? These guys are insane ... always an inch from disaster.

DaddyTorgo · 02-12-2006, 08:45 PM

yes. and my dad totally faked me out by saying he looked at the results and insinuating one thing that hasn't turned out to be the case so far. it's great! fake spoilers rule!

Craptacular · 02-12-2006, 08:49 PM

I'm about 15-20 minutes behind their coverage (using the DVR), but this has been amazing so far. I can't believe how some of these guys recover from sure doom.

ISiddiqui · 02-12-2006, 08:49 PM

SEMI-SPOILER:

Well that new ski thing didn't work out so well, did it?

sterlingice · 02-12-2006, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Craptacular

Am I the only one whose favorite Olympic event (summer or winter) is the downhill? These guys are insane ... always an inch from disaster.

It's one of my favorites- I still most like the mogul, but the downhill is one of my other couple of favorites (along with the 4 man bobseld).

Go Lichtenstien-- er.. Lichstenstein-- err.. Lichtenstein

SI

Craptacular · 02-12-2006, 08:55 PM

Can you imagine how awesome it would be if these guys raced together a la Skier X at the X Games. It would be incredibly dangerous, but fun to watch.

ISiddiqui · 02-12-2006, 08:56 PM

Holy crap!! What a downhill!

oliegirl · 02-12-2006, 08:58 PM

Spoilers thread has been created - let's all respect each other and use it please...

DaddyTorgo · 02-12-2006, 09:01 PM

why doesn't SI just edit the title of this thread to say spoilers are inside?

ISiddiqui · 02-12-2006, 09:01 PM

That wasn't a spoiler

. Unless they didn't want to know X event was going to be exciting.

Eaglesfan27 · 02-12-2006, 09:01 PM

Downhill racing is one of my favorite events as well (I'm about 50 minutes behind catching up on TIVO.)

DaddyTorgo · 02-12-2006, 09:01 PM

more short-track speedskating after the downhill. 1500 meters

Craptacular · 02-12-2006, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

Downhill racing is one of my favorite events as well (I'm about 50 minutes behind catching up on TIVO.)

There'll be a couple of parts you might want to rewind.

sterlingice · 02-12-2006, 09:09 PM

I guess I could do that with the spoilers. I was kindof hoping to have a simultaneous thread where it's commentary as we watch, tho. Basically, no spoilers until it's been shown on tv kind of thing. But that's up to everyone else.

Frankly, a non-spoiler thread will just be empty since everyone will just assume everything is a spoiler.

SI

Craptacular · 02-12-2006, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Craptacular

Can you imagine how awesome it would be if these guys raced together a la Skier X at the X Games. It would be incredibly dangerous, but fun to watch.

OK, that "simulcam" is pretty cool.

Eaglesfan27 · 02-12-2006, 09:21 PM

There have been some amazing jumps (and recoveries) in the downhill.

Definitely had a few "rewind moments" so far.

sterlingice · 02-12-2006, 09:27 PM

The entirety of the downhill is the perfect reason why there is no need to build up stupid human interest stories for half the primetime schedule. That whole story wrote itself.

SI

ISiddiqui · 02-12-2006, 09:29 PM

Speaking of human interest stories... is it just me, or do we have much less of that so far this time around?

sterlingice · 02-12-2006, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Speaking of human interest stories... is it just me, or do we have much less of that so far this time around?

I missed most of yesterday since I was out of town, but tonight seems relatively "human interest" free. Maybe they took a cue from everyone saying that and have cut down.

SI

sterlingice · 02-12-2006, 09:35 PM

Ok, I've got a possible solution idea to the spoilers thing- gonna see what people think. How about we have two Olympic threads based on time zone: one east/central time zone, one mountain/west (those are the two television zones for something on tape delay, right?). This would just become the East/Central one and the results one can become the Mountain/West one or something like that?

That way we can do some spoilers. Otherwise, I just don't see much point of having an Olympic thread if we can't talk about it "as it's happening" or at least as it's happening for us. It'll just have a couple of "daily" recaps, maybe a discussion if some controversy comes up, and that's about it.

SI

DaddyTorgo · 02-12-2006, 09:42 PM

i don't understand the scoring in snowboarding. i mean i get it's bad if they fall, and the longer they grab the better...but beyond that and the amount of air i don't really see how they differentiate between say White and Aguierre (who had a higher degree of difficulty in his routine, right?)

Craptacular · 02-12-2006, 09:42 PM

Honestly, I think we should keep this one spoiler free. If no one posts in it, then so be it. I've been using the DVR a lot so far, and if nothing else, this could be a thread to see what events I really need to watch without knowing the results.

DaddyTorgo · 02-12-2006, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Craptacular

Honestly, I think we should keep this one spoiler free. If no one posts in it, then so be it. I've been using the DVR a lot so far, and if nothing else, this could be a thread to see what events I really need to watch without knowing the results.

well if we can't post some kind of spoilers it's going to be pretty crappy discussion.

"oh wow you should watch the downhill."

"oh yeah that was neat."

end discussion

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saldana Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bethlehem, Pa	i am about half and half with agreeing with the two posts above this one, but i do give her alot of credit for walking away early enough for Emily Hughes to get here and get ready....she could easily have stayed a few more days, or not left at all...so i will give her a ton of props for doing what is best for the US team.

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clintl College Starter Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Davis, CA	Why all the consternation about Kwan doing something that was within the rules to be on the team? It's not like she's the first athlete ever to have done this. Last edited by clintl : 02-12-2006 at 04:55 PM.

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Craptacular College Starter Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: The Mad City, WI	Am I the only one whose favorite Olympic event (summer or winter) is the downhill? These guys are insane ... always an inch from disaster.

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DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	yes. and my dad totally faked me out by saying he looked at the results and insinuating one thing that hasn't turned out to be the case so far. it's great! fake spoilers rule!

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Craptacular College Starter Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: The Mad City, WI	I'm about 15-20 minutes behind their coverage (using the DVR), but this has been amazing so far. I can't believe how some of these guys recover from sure doom.

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ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	SEMI-SPOILER: Well that new ski thing didn't work out so well, did it? __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams Last edited by ISiddiqui : 02-12-2006 at 08:49 PM.

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Craptacular College Starter Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: The Mad City, WI	Can you imagine how awesome it would be if these guys raced together a la Skier X at the X Games. It would be incredibly dangerous, but fun to watch.

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ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	Holy crap!! What a downhill! __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

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DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	why doesn't SI just edit the title of this thread to say spoilers are inside?

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ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	That wasn't a spoiler . Unless they didn't want to know X event was going to be exciting. __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

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DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	more short-track speedskating after the downhill. 1500 meters Last edited by DaddyTorgo : 02-12-2006 at 09:02 PM.

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sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	I guess I could do that with the spoilers. I was kindof hoping to have a simultaneous thread where it's commentary as we watch, tho. Basically, no spoilers until it's been shown on tv kind of thing. But that's up to everyone else. Frankly, a non-spoiler thread will just be empty since everyone will just assume everything is a spoiler. SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!" Last edited by sterlingice : 02-12-2006 at 09:10 PM.

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Eaglesfan27 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey	There have been some amazing jumps (and recoveries) in the downhill. Definitely had a few "rewind moments" so far. __________________ Retired GM of the eNFL 2007 Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles (19-0 record.) GM of the WOOF 2006 Doggie Bowl Champion Atlantic City Gamblers. GM of the IHOF 2019 and 2022 IHOF Bowl Champion Asheville Axemen.

02-12-2006, 09:27 PM	#144
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	The entirety of the downhill is the perfect reason why there is no need to build up stupid human interest stories for half the primetime schedule. That whole story wrote itself. SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

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02-12-2006, 09:35 PM	#147
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	Ok, I've got a possible solution idea to the spoilers thing- gonna see what people think. How about we have two Olympic threads based on time zone: one east/central time zone, one mountain/west (those are the two television zones for something on tape delay, right?). This would just become the East/Central one and the results one can become the Mountain/West one or something like that? That way we can do some spoilers. Otherwise, I just don't see much point of having an Olympic thread if we can't talk about it "as it's happening" or at least as it's happening for us. It'll just have a couple of "daily" recaps, maybe a discussion if some controversy comes up, and that's about it. SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

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DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	i don't understand the scoring in snowboarding. i mean i get it's bad if they fall, and the longer they grab the better...but beyond that and the amount of air i don't really see how they differentiate between say White and Aguierre (who had a higher degree of difficulty in his routine, right?)

02-12-2006, 09:42 PM	#149
Craptacular College Starter Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: The Mad City, WI	Honestly, I think we should keep this one spoiler free. If no one posts in it, then so be it. I've been using the DVR a lot so far, and if nothing else, this could be a thread to see what events I really need to watch without knowing the results.

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