NFL Week 7

[Desnudo]

Wow what a weak sauce call

[Julio Riddols]

Not that they shouldn't have won this in regulation, but that was about as ticky tack as you can get. Reminds me of some of the calls in the Bengals game.

[jeff061]

What in the Holy fuck was that bullshit?

[Desnudo]

I don't think either the jets or the patriots played particularly well but that's a real lame way to end the game.

[jeff061]

No kidding, that was horrible. That may be the worst end to a game I've ever seen.

[DaddyTorgo]

FML

Do any of my other fucking teams want to fucking blow games today!?!?!?!?!

I think I need that bottle of Scotch I wasn't going to buy!

[cuervo72]

bs like the tuck rule amirite?

[TroyF]

Brady had a streak of 58 games with over 50% completion rate through game one of this year. He's been under 50% in three of his last six games.

Weak call, but the NE wins have been masking serious problems for awhile now. Gronk comes back, has a big day, and Brady still struggles? Alarm bells should be going off right now.

[jeff061]

And the got rid of the tuck tule. They just added this shitty one.

[Desnudo]

Originally Posted by TroyF

Brady had a streak of 58 games with over 50% completion rate through game one of this year. He's been under 50% in three of his last six games.

Weak call, but the NE wins have been masking serious problems for awhile now. Gronk comes back, has a big day, and Brady still struggles? Alarm bells should be going off right now.

He's either hiding an injury or age is catching up to him.

[jeff061]

Originally Posted by TroyF

Brady had a streak of 58 games with over 50% completion rate through game one of this year. He's been under 50% in three of his last six games.

Weak call, but the NE wins have been masking serious problems for awhile now. Gronk comes back, has a big day, and Brady still struggles? Alarm bells should be going off right now.

To be overly blunt, Brady looked like dog shit today. His receivers all seemed to be playing pretty well.

[miami_fan]

For those of us that did not see it, what was the unsportsmanlike penalty call in the Pats-Jets game?

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by jeff061

To be overly blunt, Brady looked like dog shit today. His relievers all seemed to be playing pretty well.

Yeah. He missed some real make-able throws, and that pick 6 was all on him.

[Desnudo]

Originally Posted by miami_fan

For those of us that did not see it, what was the unsportsmanlike penalty call in the Pats-Jets game?

One of the patriots lineman didn't have a jet directly in front of him and ended up pushing another patriots lineman up the middle a bit.

[jeff061]

Originally Posted by Desnudo

One of the patriots lineman didn't have a jet directly in front of him and ended up pushing another patriots lineman up the middle a bit.

This was called ona 56 yard field goal attempt they missed, but gave them a first down.

[cuervo72]

Originally Posted by jeff061

And the got rid of the tuck tule. They just added this shitty one.

May be a shitty rule (as was the tuck rule), but apparently it's in there.

Originally Posted by miami_fan

For those of us that did not see it, what was the unsportsmanlike penalty call in the Pats-Jets game?

I think it's covered by #2 here, though I'm not sure if this covers all facets of the rule. New NFL rules, points of emphasis for officials this season - Extra Points - Boston.com

(actually, this is probably clearer: NFL announces rule changes for 2013 season - SBNation.com - "Defensive players also can't push down linemen into the offensive line. That will result in a 15 yard unnecessary roughness penalty.")

[Desnudo]

Originally Posted by cuervo72

bs like the tuck rule amirite?

Or any rinky dink call in the intervening decade of nfl play

[Matthean]

Heaven forbid there being a rule that helps the defense out.

[JPhillips]

It's no worse than "running forward and leaping."

[kingfc22]

Nice to see Kaep being able to use his legs as a weapon again.

[BillJasper]

Houston may have found themselves a QB.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Brian Cushing down. Looks like a very bad knee injury.

[Glengoyne]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Brian Cushing down. Looks like a very bad knee injury.

Yeah that didn't look good.

Am I right in thinking the personal foul on A smith's run was crazy?


You slide under a tackle in progress and draw an extra 15 yards.

[TroyF]

If I were Gary Kubiak and needed a win as badly as he does, I'd damned well be going for it on these fourth and ones. I don't give a crap about the KC defensive line. They have absolutely dominated KC today and are still losing.

In a one game playoff scenario, this Chiefs team can scare you. Take care of the football, one guy who can hit a HR every now and then, and a great DL that punishes you.

The odds they can do it two or three times in the playoffs? Ummmm, no chance. Simply no chance.

[TroyF]

One more thing Mizzou:

They are milking the hell out of any Charles injury. That IS NOT a guy playing hurt. No chance, no how, no way. 19 touches in 3 quarters? Two things going on here:

1) They are playing the injuries up to the media for some unknown reason
2) Charles, the only true offensive threat KC has, is being badly overused because the Chiefs don't have any prayer to beat up on bad football teams without him.

If it's #1, I don't get it. If it's #2, good luck when you face a real defense that can take out one guy.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by TroyF

If I were Gary Kubiak and needed a win as badly as he does, I'd damned well be going for it on these fourth and ones. I don't give a crap about the KC defensive line. They have absolutely dominated KC today and are still losing.

Dominated? Chiefs lead on the scoreboard despite losing the turnover battle thus far. The QB's have nearly identical stats. The Chiefs have 5 more first downs. The Chiefs have run for 100+ yards against a very good defense. The Texas have three long pass plays, none of which scored a TD. Time of possession is nearly identical.

You must be watching a different game than I am.

[TroyF]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Dominated? Chiefs lead on the scoreboard despite losing the turnover battle thus far. The QB's have nearly identical stats. The Chiefs have 5 more first downs. The Chiefs have run for 100+ yards against a very good defense. The Texas have three long pass plays, none of which scored a TD. Time of possession is nearly identical.

You must be watching a different game than I am.

Maybe a slight stretch, when I wrote it, KC hadn't went on that last drive. Before that last drive, KC was losing the yardage battle by over 50 yards, were losing in passing yards, barely even in rushing, and had been better on third downs and in the pass rush.

Reid has KC playing some damned good football. I've watched them multiple times now. I see a hard working, well coached football team. There is no way in hell I see an elite one.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by TroyF

Reid has KC playing some damned good football. I've watched them multiple times now. I see a hard working, well coached football team. There is no way in hell I see an elite one.

Yeah, 7-0 just isn't what it used to be. I hear the NFL is down this year. Plus, all the teams that the Chiefs have played have had a lot of injuries.

You either win or don't win.

[TroyF]

Keenum has been acting like the kid he is the last few possessions. He's jumping in the pocket and throwing it short. If KC gets any kind of pressure on him during this drive, the game is over.

Just as I type that, he gets sacked and fumbles. Kubiak should lose his job this week. I'm the owner or GM and I see him kick field goals on 4th and 1 multiple times when the season is on the line and the guys are playing their guts out for him?

Love him, he's a former Bronco and I'll always hope he succeeds. But he\s too scared to coach right now. Had a good run, time to move on.

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Yeah, 7-0 just isn't what it used to be. I hear the NFL is down this year. Plus, all the teams that the Chiefs have played have had a lot of injuries.

You either win or don't win.

They have beaten a single team with a winning record. It was at home. They won by a point. At least understand why some people aren't exactly jumping up and down right now.

[Jas_lov]

This isn't the BCS, KC is winning games and that's all that matters. They're not as good as Denver but nobody is in the AFC.

The Green Bay Packers now sit alone atop the NFC North once again. Lose Jones and Cobb, Jarrett Boykins steps in and has a big game. Finley gets carted off so that may be another loss but they could plug in a couple tree stumps at TE and still beat the hapless Vikings next week. The Packers have had 3 starting quarterbacks in 20 years, the Vikings have had 3 in 3 weeks.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by Matthean

They have beaten a single team with a winning record. It was at home. They won by a point. At least understand why some people aren't exactly jumping up and down right now.

KC has beat one team with a winning record: Dallas. Strangely, that's the same number of winning teams that Denver has beat so far. Not too many people jumping up and down about them either I suppose.

Troy's comment that KC isn't an elite team is ridiculous at best. Denver and KC are clearly the cream of the crop so far in the NFL and saying anything otherwise is silly.

[Vince, Pt. II]

I should be used to this by now, but are you on crack? Denver has been utterly annihilating people. Kansas City has been eking out wins against the dregs of the NFL. I would rate Kansas City as barely in the top 10 in the NFL right now in terms of good teams. Off the top of my head, teams I consider better than the Chiefs:

Denver
Seattle
San Francisco
Green Bay
New England
Cincinnati
Indianapolis
New Orleans

Sure, they may have a better record. They've been playing good football. Their defense is pretty darned good. Their offense is freaking terrible. It's Jamaal Charles versus the world. The reason they hang around is that Alex Smith doesn't make mistakes and they have a good defense. As someone else mentioned in the thread, if you shut down the running game, they're in major trouble.

To call them elite is slightly premature.

[TroyF]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Yeah, 7-0 just isn't what it used to be. I hear the NFL is down this year. Plus, all the teams that the Chiefs have played have had a lot of injuries.

You either win or don't win.

Nope, it's hard as hell to win in this league. The teams who do it, no matter who they play, deserve massive, massive amounts of respect.

But you also have to look at how reasonable it is that a team can beat multiple elite teams on three successive Sundays in the playoffs. Anything can happen there, as Baltimore proved last year. But it doesn't happen all that often that a team who doesn't belong gets there.

The Chiefs do not belong there. This is not a team that can compete with the elite. You can take that as an insult and cry about how your favorite team is getting put down on a bulliten board or you can fight back and say how you think this team is going to hang with better football teams. (I'll likely disagree with you, but I'd be interested to hear it none the less)

Or you can think I'm a biased guy who just hates the Chiefs. It won't be the first time I've had this debate after 7 games with a Chiefs fan. The 2003 version also won their first 7. They actually won their first 9 before getting exposed. This Chiefs team is worse than that one in my opinion.

There are 7-0 or 6-1 teams you look at and see "Super Bowl" There are other 6-1, 7-0 teams you look at and go "Not bad, but can they do it three weeks in a row?" Then you get the 7-0, 6-1 team where you say "no chance in hell they win three games in a row in the playoffs, zero chance)


For me, the Chiefs are in the last group. For you, that might be Denver. I'm ok with that. I just don't see any possible way the Chiefs can continue this. It's smoke and mirrors and it's finest, but I think it will come to an end. It's fun as hell cheering though, isn't it?

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

KC has beat one team with a winning record: Dallas. Strangely, that's the same number of winning teams that Denver has beat so far. Not too many people jumping up and down about them either I suppose.

Troy's comment that KC isn't an elite team is ridiculous at best. Denver and KC are clearly the cream of the crop so far in the NFL and saying anything otherwise is silly.

Denver has a +108 scoring difference. KC has a +88 scoring difference. The kicker being Denver has done it in one less game. If Denver beats the Colts, there will be no comparison.

[Jas_lov]

Originally Posted by Matthean

Denver has a +108 scoring difference. KC has a +88 scoring difference. The kicker being Denver has done it in one less game. If Denver beats the Colts, there will be no comparison.

But the +88 is 2nd in the entire league. A lot of games are close in the NFL and KC is winning them. I don't think they're as good as Denver but they are in the conversation for 2nd best in that conference.

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by Jas_lov

But the +88 is 2nd in the entire league. A lot of games are close in the NFL and KC is winning them. I don't think they're as good as Denver but they are in the conversation for 2nd best in that conference.

Playoffs start now. Let's have Denver be the higher seed over KC. KC needs three wins against the likes of NE, NYJ, Cinci, Indy and Denver. I'm not seeing many wins there. I might not even see two since the Jets would be their first game. KC has beaten two winless teams to add to their previously mentioned accomplishments. I'm always amazed how little it takes to gain credibility in sports. KC could honestly finish 13-3 with losing to the two best teams they play all year.

Originally Posted by Jas_lov

The Green Bay Packers now sit alone atop the NFC North once again. Lose Jones and Cobb, Jarrett Boykins steps in and has a big game. Finley gets carted off so that may be another loss but they could plug in a couple tree stumps at TE and still beat the hapless Vikings next week. The Packers have had 3 starting quarterbacks in 20 years, the Vikings have had 3 in 3 weeks.

Lacy had another game of 100+ total yards and a TD. That's one draft pick they will gladly pick again.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by Jas_lov

But the +88 is 2nd in the entire league. A lot of games are close in the NFL and KC is winning them. I don't think they're as good as Denver but they are in the conversation for 2nd best in that conference.

And that point differential isn't even close compared to the other teams. Third best in the NFL is nearly 30 points worse than KC.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by Matthean

Denver has a +108 scoring difference. KC has a +88 scoring difference. The kicker being Denver has done it in one less game. If Denver beats the Colts, there will be no comparison.

Why is there a comparison? No one said that KC was THE elite team. Troy said KC wasn't an elite team. Big difference. Denver is the best team right now, but KC is definitely second and definitely worthy of being labeled an elite team at this point and it's not even an argument.

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

And that point differential isn't even close compared to the other teams. Third best in the NFL is nearly 30 points worse than KC.

Seattle says "Hello."

[TroyF]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

KC has beat one team with a winning record: Dallas. Strangely, that's the same number of winning teams that Denver has beat so far. Not too many people jumping up and down about them either I suppose.

Troy's comment that KC isn't an elite team is ridiculous at best. Denver and KC are clearly the cream of the crop so far in the NFL and saying anything otherwise is silly.

No, it isn't silly. Hell, it's what MOST of the public and experts think. Barnwell believes the Chiefs cannot compete against good teams. There are tons of other experts who believe the same thing. I'm sure you can find a few who will say the Chiefs are for real, but you won't find the majority.

5 of the 6 Broncos games have been OVER with 10 minutes left in the fourth quarter. The one that wasn't was a game where they were down 5 starters on defense. The Chiefs? 5 of their 7 wins have come down to the final 3 minutes of the game. As you point out, this is against bad competition.
You should feel good about what they are doing. You should be in front of your TV every week cheering like hell for your team. But this is not sustainable. So, silly or not, no, I don't believe the Chiefs are "cream of the crop" or elite right now.

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Why is there a comparison?

Because you brought up the Denver/KC comparison first? To me KC is a very good team but are simply too unproven to be called elite.

[CleBrownsfan]

Weeden is the worst starting QB in the NFL... That's all I have to say about the Clowns this week.

[TRO]

I don't think the Chiefs can win 3 in a row on the road as a WC. I do think they could win 2 in a row at home.

With their schedule, they have a legit shot at winning the division and getting that #1 seed.

Do, I think Denver is better? Yes I do. Bu it is closer than some here think. There are 3 phases to football, not just offense and KC has elite defense and very good special teams.

All that said, Chiefs haven't won a playoff game in 20 years even with having home field advantage multiple times. Let us enjoy the ride.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

but KC is definitely second and definitely worthy of being labeled an elite team at this point and it's not even an argument.

Okay, I think you get an inordinate amount of crap around here but ... this is just downright silly.

I mean it's "I don't believe you could pass a piss test at work" sort of fucking stupid shit.

[TroyF]

Originally Posted by TRO

I don't think the Chiefs can win 3 in a row on the road as a WC. I do think they could win 2 in a row at home.

With their schedule, they have a legit shot at winning the division and getting that #1 seed.

Do, I think Denver is better? Yes I do. Bu it is closer than some here think. There are 3 phases to football, not just offense and KC has elite defense and very good special teams.

All that said, Chiefs haven't won a playoff game in 20 years even with having home field advantage multiple times. Let us enjoy the ride.

There are three phases to football, though they aren't all equally weighted. Football Outsiders lists Denver at #1 offense, #23 defense and #1 special teams. KC comes in at #18, #1 and #3.

Now, as I discussed earlier in the thread, the KC offense isn't going up. In fact, if Charles gets hurt because of overuse (something I think it very likely to happen), they get much worse.

Denver gets Von Miller back, Woodyard healthy and Champ playing his second game this week. They can go up from #23. They likely WILL go up from #23.

I look at both upside and downside here. The only single thing that could wipe Denver's upside out is an injury to Manning. There is very little else that will derail this team. The defense won't get worse from here on out. The special teams has been good for two years now.

Where is the Chiefs offensive improvement coming from? What happens if they have a couple injuries on D? I don't think it's that close. I do think KC could win when they play Denver, but I think in 10 meetings Denver wins the game 8 or more times. Now, watch Denver lose twice in a row to them

[Matthean]

I really want to know how an elite team plays a home game against a team that is 2-4 at that time, in turmoil, giving a rookie QB his first start and yet wins by a point while the game is in question within the final minutes.

[TroyF]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Okay, I think you get an inordinate amount of crap around here but ... this is just downright silly.

I mean it's "I don't believe you could pass a piss test at work" sort of fucking stupid shit.

Cmon Jon, I've seen you do the same stuff in college football threads every year. "This team has one loss, they are still far better than that team with 0 losses" If the Chiefs really are elite, they'll show it. They will play elite teams and we'll see how many of them they beat. I think they lose to Denver twice, lose to SD at least once if not twice, and will lose to Indy. I think the @Buffalo game in a couple of weeks is a toss up as well. So I see them finishing up 4-5 in their next nine games, which will get them into the playoffs to get beat in round one.

I may be wrong, but that's what I feel now.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by TroyF

Cmon Jon, I've seen you do the same stuff in college football threads every year. ... I may be wrong, but that's what I feel now.

Did you read me wrong? Or am I confused. I'm saying what (I think) you're saying.

I don't figure the Chiefs are even the 5th best team in the league, much less "elite". Aren't we on the same page?

[TroyF]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Did you read me wrong? Or am I confused. I'm saying what (I think) you're saying.

I don't figure the Chiefs are even the 5th best team in the league, much less "elite". Aren't we on the same page?

Teach me to talk to my wife and read through a post at the same time. Missed the context. I'm a dope.