2009 MLB Draft Thread - Page 3

sterlingice · 07-15-2009, 08:41 PM

MLB trade rumors was talking last week that it was because of their GM situation

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Atocep · 07-15-2009, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DeToxRox

So Strasburg is saying the Nats have not offered him a deal yet beyond the standard Minor League deal all teams must offer. I know the Nats have a month or so left, but how can this franchise already wait over a month without offering a deal? Just seems incompetent.

Boras is going to reject anything they offer right now anyway. As was pointed out, the less time they give Boras the less time he has to negotiate and bring his douchiness to the table.

Even if its just because of their GM situation I think its a pretty smart thing to do.

Swaggs · 07-15-2009, 09:26 PM

Agreed.

Just shortens the window that allows Boras to play the Nationals and the media. I think the Nationals are playing it pretty well. They can use the GM excuse and it serves the purpose of not engaging Boras for as long a period of time.

stevew · 07-15-2009, 10:19 PM

Old point about Strasburg not being drafted.

I noticed Burrell was barely drafted out of HS(45th round IIRC). So it has come close to happening before.

The Pirates have signed many of their picks. And Sanchez was ripping up low A the last time I checked.

This waiting til close to the deadline so you can go overslot stuff is stupid.

lordscarlet · 07-16-2009, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by DeToxRox

So Strasburg is saying the Nats have not offered him a deal yet beyond the standard Minor League deal all teams must offer. I know the Nats have a month or so left, but how can this franchise already wait over a month without offering a deal? Just seems incompetent.

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

Agreed.

Just shortens the window that allows Boras to play the Nationals and the media. I think the Nationals are playing it pretty well. They can use the GM excuse and it serves the purpose of not engaging Boras for as long a period of time.

Two things here. First, everyone here is right. You need to remember this is Boras. For one, even if the Nationals have made an offer (which they actually say they have), who is to say he would have told Strasburg about it? Second, in that same interview, Strasburg seemed annoyed that the Nationals have not talked to him directly. Did he bother to read up on his agent before hiring him? Boras REFUSES to let a team talking directly to any of his agents. In addition, he normally pulls the "I won't deal with anyone but the owner" stunt (even though he won't let the team deal directly with the talent).

If indeed the Nationals HAVE made an offer to Boras and he hasn't made a stink about it in the media, that tells me they are handling the situation very well.

Ronnie Dobbs2 · 07-16-2009, 10:51 AM

The way I'm seeing it work out, is right before the deadline the Natinals come to Boras with an offer much bigger than anyone else has signed (but much smaller than Boras wants) and say take it or go to the independent league.

I doubt Strasburg will turn it down.

DeToxRox · 07-16-2009, 10:55 AM

It's a deadly game to play for the Nats. This team has been one PR blunder after another and do you really want to get caught with your head in the sand considering how terrible the team already is?

Washington is barely off the 119 game loss pace the Tigs had in 03. If I were a player it'd sure make me think twice about signing with a team like that, considering how poor they've played, how boneheaded management has been and the fact they already let their #1 pick from last year go elsewhere.

I don't see them having the leverage others do I guess, because they need him more then he needs them.

sterlingice · 07-16-2009, 12:11 PM

Yeah, but if you think you're getting sick money that isn't there every year (i.e. the Nats pony up, say, $20M), then going to independent league isn't that good of leverage since if he doesn't sign this year, he's going to be "damaged goods".

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lordscarlet · 07-16-2009, 12:31 PM

Not signing is only beneficial to Boras. There is nothing but risk for Strasburg. Do the independent league thing and come back next year? Do the Japan thing and gamble that a lot of court battles will take you out of the draft pool (Selig has already said he would still be subject to the draft if he went to Japan). Risk injury doing either of those things? It doesn't seem smart for Strasburg. Let's assume the Nationals will go for a $20m contract. Is that not enough? Is that worth risking an injury in Japan or the independent league? I know people have done it, but they don't (to my knowledge) get more money the next year.

Logan · 07-16-2009, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by lordscarlet

I know people have done it, but they don't (to my knowledge) get more money the next year.

Well, if the Mets keep sucking...

lordscarlet · 07-16-2009, 05:28 PM

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Well, if the Mets keep sucking...

That's a LONG hill to slide down. Not so much in where the Mets are at, but what a head start the Nats have.

Logan · 07-16-2009, 05:29 PM

Think the Nats would take him again at #1/#2 next year?

INDalltheway · 07-16-2009, 05:30 PM

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/etick...423/harrington

This right here is the reason I sign when the money is there..

lordscarlet · 07-16-2009, 05:57 PM

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Think the Nats would take him again at #1/#2 next year?

He has to give them permission to draft him. The Nationals' first round pick LAST year, Aaron Crow, chose not to give them that option. I see no reason Strasburg would either.

BishopMVP · 07-17-2009, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

Old point about Strasburg not being drafted.

I noticed Burrell was barely drafted out of HS(45th round IIRC). So it has come close to happening before.

This waiting til close to the deadline so you can go overslot stuff is stupid.

It happened fairly frequently, but that's where "1st/2nd-round talent" guys with perceived strong college commitments like Burrell (who was going to Miami) slid down well past their talent level. After about the 10th-15th round (mostly big-market) teams start taking fliers on these players in the slim hopes that seeing $1 million on a piece of paper changes their mind. The Red Sox always seem to have 2-3 ex-draftees reappear in the top couple rounds, including your Pedro Alvarez who they picked 14th round and offered 800k out of HS. They offered a guy from the 17th round last year $2.5-$3 million but he went to Kentucky instead. Strasburg is a fairly unique case where he wasn't even regarded as a pro prospect coming out of HS and barely got a college scholarship offer. Albert Pujols is the closest case of late-bloomer I can think of, but still slightly different in that nobody knew him coming out of HS/CC when the Cards picked him 13th round, but he was 4th in MVP voting 2 seasons later.

Blame Selig for the silly wait until August 15th charade. The RS almost certainly have deals with 3-4 players overslot that they're just waiting until that day to announce.

07-15-2009, 08:41 PM	#101
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07-15-2009, 09:26 PM	#103
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Agreed. Just shortens the window that allows Boras to play the Nationals and the media. I think the Nationals are playing it pretty well. They can use the GM excuse and it serves the purpose of not engaging Boras for as long a period of time. __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

07-16-2009, 10:51 AM	#106
Ronnie Dobbs2 Pro Rookie Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Bahston Mass	The way I'm seeing it work out, is right before the deadline the Natinals come to Boras with an offer much bigger than anyone else has signed (but much smaller than Boras wants) and say take it or go to the independent league. I doubt Strasburg will turn it down. __________________ There's no I in Teamocil, at least not where you'd think

07-16-2009, 12:11 PM	#108
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	Yeah, but if you think you're getting sick money that isn't there every year (i.e. the Nats pony up, say, $20M), then going to independent league isn't that good of leverage since if he doesn't sign this year, he's going to be "damaged goods". SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

07-16-2009, 12:31 PM	#109
lordscarlet Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Washington, DC	Not signing is only beneficial to Boras. There is nothing but risk for Strasburg. Do the independent league thing and come back next year? Do the Japan thing and gamble that a lot of court battles will take you out of the draft pool (Selig has already said he would still be subject to the draft if he went to Japan). Risk injury doing either of those things? It doesn't seem smart for Strasburg. Let's assume the Nationals will go for a $20m contract. Is that not enough? Is that worth risking an injury in Japan or the independent league? I know people have done it, but they don't (to my knowledge) get more money the next year. __________________ Sixteen Colors ANSI/ASCII Art Archive "...the better half of the Moores..." -cthomer5000

07-15-2009, 10:19 PM	#104
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Old point about Strasburg not being drafted. I noticed Burrell was barely drafted out of HS(45th round IIRC). So it has come close to happening before. The Pirates have signed many of their picks. And Sanchez was ripping up low A the last time I checked. This waiting til close to the deadline so you can go overslot stuff is stupid.

07-16-2009, 10:55 AM	#107
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	It's a deadly game to play for the Nats. This team has been one PR blunder after another and do you really want to get caught with your head in the sand considering how terrible the team already is? Washington is barely off the 119 game loss pace the Tigs had in 03. If I were a player it'd sure make me think twice about signing with a team like that, considering how poor they've played, how boneheaded management has been and the fact they already let their #1 pick from last year go elsewhere. I don't see them having the leverage others do I guess, because they need him more then he needs them.

07-16-2009, 05:29 PM	#112
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	Think the Nats would take him again at #1/#2 next year?

07-16-2009, 05:30 PM	#113
INDalltheway College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Chicago	http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/etick...423/harrington This right here is the reason I sign when the money is there..

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