*World Cup Game Discussion Thread* (SPOILERS)

[kingfc22]

Get up you pussy

[tucker rocky]

Refs, show me the money.

[Dunleavy]

Italy has no subs if that guy can't continue

[Easy Mac]

Originally Posted by Coder

If he's not touching the ball it's not offside..

Not true, he was offside at the time, and he mved his leg out of the way, that's a no no.

[MrBigglesworth]

Sounds like the right call

[Coder]

Originally Posted by kingfc22

Get up you pussy

Don't say that.. if he doesn't get up, the Italians are down to 9 men as well.. they've made all their subs.

[ISiddiqui]

Celo is right, though... if McBride is standing in front of the goalie on an offsides position, he's involved in the play .

[Critch]

Originally Posted by Coder

If he's not touching the ball it's not offside..

If he's standing between the shooter and the keeper, he's interfering with play. That was a stonewall offside decision.

[cartman]

That's the first time I've seen a player that was onsides shoot the ball and have it called offsides. I don't buy the interference call, the guy was 15 feet away from the goalie.

[Karlifornia]

That was the right call....darn. No team has ever scored with 9 men in the Worl Cup..interesting..

[bhlloy]

Originally Posted by Coder

If he's not touching the ball it's not offside..

Not true, McBride is clearly interfering with play. I do sympathise though US fans the Pope red was ridiculous

[Easy Mac]

The italian kicks his own man and they appeal for a foul. wtf

[tucker rocky]

Originally Posted by kingfc22

Get up you pussy

His ass is hurting again.

[sterlingice]

D'oh

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[kingfc22]

Originally Posted by Dunleavy

Italy has no subs if that guy can't continue

Nevermind. Kick him again

[Critch]

Anybody else shocked by Beasley yet? I guess the open spaces and the tiring players are made for his pace.

[MrBug708]

Tough call but was the right now. Just cuz he doesnt touch it doesnt mean it isnt offside

[Coder]

Originally Posted by Critch

If he's standing between the shooter and the keeper, he's interfering with play. That was a stonewall offside decision.

Ok, I yield

[AlexB]

By the rules as they are, McBride was only offside if he attempts to play or move towards the ball. So the question is was the flick an attempt to kick it or get out the way?

That's why this rule is dumb - under the old rules: offside, no question. Under the new rules there is this massive grey area. And the 50:50 calls are going against the US at the moment

[Easy Mac]

Originally Posted by cartman

That's the first time I've seen a player that was onsides shoot the ball and have it called offsides. I don't buy the interference call, the guy was 15 feet away from the goalie.

Its because McBride moved out of the way. he blocked the ref, and by moving thereby affected the play. If an offsides player makes a play on the ball at all, offsides.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

How does anybody seriously watch this stuff and NOT figure out that it's rigged?

I mean, all that's missing is for FIFA to adjust their name to add the word "entertainment" like the WWE.

I dunno, this is more a NBA-level bias rather than a "here, turn around while I hand you a folding chair" level travesty

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[kingfc22]

Keller can't keep the ball in play and if he does he kicks it past everyone.

[Dunleavy]

Eddie Johnson now! sacrifice McBride

[Easy Mac]

Finally, the fuckers

[kingfc22]

Oh, that was a red

[Easy Mac]

Also, not a yellow though, i agree with celo.

[tucker rocky]

Try to appeal that bastardo.

[AlexB]

Again, Zambrotta fouled the US player, but it was never a yellow card

[cartman]

And that was not a yellow card offense for the Italian. This ref sucks.

[sterlingice]

Looks like we kindof took a dive there...

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[kingfc22]

Originally Posted by Dunleavy

Eddie Johnson now! sacrifice McBride

Yea, we need the speed not the heading ability

[jaygr]

I apologize if this comment is out of frustration, but I'd like to say something from the point of view of someone who doesn't watch soccer really. But honestly, people wonder why soccer isn't more popular here. I know this isn't a typical game persay, but how can any casual observer, tuning in to see they country play, be interested at all? All we see are Italians acting like "pussies" taking falls (getting "hurt" then all of the sudden being back 2 minutes later), questionable calls and a feeling of America getting cheated (whether they are or aren't), and just now a seeming goal that was discounted for a guy blocking the goal keeper (I understand that is a legit rule but it seems stupid to the casual observer).

Now I know falls are part of the game, the calls might not be really questionable, etc. But at the same time, who wants to feel like their team is getting cheating? I think someone tuning in to watch just this game is going to feel: "why should I care about soccer if it is just all this BS?"

Sorry if I am not making any sense.

[MrBigglesworth]

Should that have been a yellow because of him being the last player back? I'm not sure of all the soccer minor rules...

[cartman]

Originally Posted by Easy Mac

Its because McBride moved out of the way. he blocked the ref, and by moving thereby affected the play. If an offsides player makes a play on the ball at all, offsides.

Like I said, I had never seen that called during a shot on goal. The shot itself is usually the play. If he had deflected the ball, then yep, offsides, but a clean shot in the back of the net? That's a dubious call. If he was standing directly in front of the goalie, then yep. But 15 feet away, nope.

[kingfc22]

Originally Posted by MrBigglesworth

Should that have been a yellow because of him being the last player back? I'm not sure of all the soccer minor rules...

No card, Dolo took a dive.

[Easy Mac]

I think we need a target man who can hold the ball when we clear it.

[ISiddiqui]

Keller with a brillian save!

[MIJB#19]

Man, this is one of the most amazing, most exciting and weirdest soccer game I've ever seen.

[kingfc22]

A Keller sighting.

[sterlingice]

Great save!

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[Easy Mac]

Originally Posted by kingfc22

No card, Dolo took a dive.

Not a dive per se, but more of a larger player just muscling another guy down. its always called a foul, but rarely a yellow.

[Coder]

Originally Posted by MIJB#19

Man, this is one of the most amazing, most exciting and weirdest soccer game I've ever seen.

Swedish commentators just said "Everything's happened in this game so far.. I wonder what's next... a helicopter landing on the pitch?"

[Critch]

Great save.

As Alexi Lalas said, if Keller played in Germany or Spain he'd be ranked with the best in the world

[AlexB]

Originally Posted by jaygr

I apologize if this comment is out of frustration, but I'd like to say something from the point of view of someone who doesn't watch soccer really. But honestly, people wonder why soccer isn't more popular here. I know this isn't a typical game persay, but how can any casual observer, tuning in to see they country play, be interested at all? All we see are Italians acting like "pussies" taking falls (getting "hurt" then all of the sudden being back 2 minutes later), questionable calls and a feeling of America getting cheated (whether they are or aren't), and just now a seeming goal that was discounted for a guy blocking the goal keeper (I understand that is a legit rule but it seems stupid to the casual observer).

Now I know falls are part of the game, the calls might not be really questionable, etc. But at the same time, who wants to feel like their team is getting cheating? I think someone tuning in to watch just this game is going to feel: "why should I care about soccer if it is just all this BS?"

Sorry if I am not making any sense.

Debates over officials' decision is part of what makes the game great. But you are 100% correct about the diving: it does threaten the games appeal IMHO.

[Dunleavy]

less then 20 minutes, make the sub!

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by jaygr

I apologize if this comment is out of frustration, but I'd like to say something from the point of view of someone who doesn't watch soccer really. But honestly, people wonder why soccer isn't more popular here. I know this isn't a typical game persay, but how can any casual observer, tuning in to see they country play, be interested at all? All we see are Italians acting like "pussies" taking falls (getting "hurt" then all of the sudden being back 2 minutes later), questionable calls and a feeling of America getting cheated (whether they are or aren't), and just now a seeming goal that was discounted for a guy blocking the goal keeper (I understand that is a legit rule but it seems stupid to the casual observer).

Now I know falls are part of the game, the calls might not be really questionable, etc. But at the same time, who wants to feel like their team is getting cheating? I think someone tuning in to watch just this game is going to feel: "why should I care about soccer if it is just all this BS?"

Sorry if I am not making any sense.

nope. makes sense. even applies to those who do like the game and are fans. take me...i'm as big a futbol fan as anybody out there/on this board, but I just threw my hands in the air and turned to "i love the 80's" on vh1 when it became apparent that this ref was hellbent on ruining the game. frankly, like Troy said, I fully expect an Italian dive in the box to be called a PK and us to lose that way. This one particular game frankly just isn't entertaining enough for me to watch anymore, regardless of the fact that I don't get that many chances to see my national team play on tv.

[Easy Mac]

Runs like that is why everyone thinks donovan is the best american. we don't have other players who can get through that run.

[Karlifornia]

The last yellow to the Italians was the wrong call. Just call a foul for chrissakes.

But, I have to say, this has been an awesome match, and the kind ofplay I was hoping to see in the Czech Republic match. Just fun to watch, albeit a little frustrating at times.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by jaygr

I apologize if this comment is out of frustration, but I'd like to say something from the point of view of someone who doesn't watch soccer really. But honestly, people wonder why soccer isn't more popular here. I know this isn't a typical game persay, but how can any casual observer, tuning in to see they country play, be interested at all? All we see are Italians acting like "pussies" taking falls (getting "hurt" then all of the sudden being back 2 minutes later), questionable calls and a feeling of America getting cheated (whether they are or aren't), and just now a seeming goal that was discounted for a guy blocking the goal keeper (I understand that is a legit rule but it seems stupid to the casual observer).

Now I know falls are part of the game, the calls might not be really questionable, etc. But at the same time, who wants to feel like their team is getting cheating? I think someone tuning in to watch just this game is going to feel: "why should I care about soccer if it is just all this BS?"

Sorry if I am not making any sense.

Originally Posted by Schmidty

I'm confused. Is soccer always this lame? What the hell kind of crap was that red card? Fucking stupid.

Isn't this a bit of a sample size issue? Wouldn't this be like someone watching a Utah Jazz home game in the 90's and complaining about how crappy the NBA is because they just have white guys who take dives but get the call and run a simple pick and roll and how that's boring basketball?

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[bhlloy]

Originally Posted by Jari Rantanen's Shorts

By the rules as they are, McBride was only offside if he attempts to play or move towards the ball. So the question is was the flick an attempt to kick it or get out the way?

That's why this rule is dumb - under the old rules: offside, no question. Under the new rules there is this massive grey area. And the 50:50 calls are going against the US at the moment

Hit the nail on the head... take an already hard to call rule and make it a complete judgment/situational call. Don't even bother to clearly define what "interfering" is. Of a number of moronic FIFA rules put in over the last 10 years, by far the worst.

I still think McBride was offside though, even under the new interpretations. Buffon couldn't see the ball at all because he was directly in his LOS.