WW CLVII - Ghostbusters - Game Over (result in post 1521)

[Chubby]

yes I'm Egon. The only scan that isn't dead is Narc on night 1. He scanned clean.

I wanted to give people a chance to vote him before clearing

[fontisian]

Unvote Narcizo
Unless Narc converted, my theory is completely invalidated. That helps a lot.
Vote bhlloy

[mauchow]

Oh lord.

[fontisian]

Chubby, can you tell us all of your checks so I can compare them to your actions?

[mauchow]

It was a good idea to play it that way chubby especially if you had nothin.

[mauchow]

He obviously scanned hoops n1 or 2. Which is why he said what he did to lathum.

Thats when I pegged him as our seer.

[fontisian]

Mauchow, please don't answer for him.

[fontisian]

Originally Posted by Narcizo

There's no downside that I can see. Then again there's little upside as it's pretty easy to claim and I doubt if the role is in the game.

But if someone has the role, he/she should claim so that we can clear one person.

[mauchow]

I was only answering one of them. There are many other nights.

[Chubby]

narc, hoops, danny, murrayyyy

as you can see, i have had spectacularly shitty luck

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by fontisian

Mauchow, please don't answer for him.

i understand the sentiment but it is kinda obvious in hindsight as mau said

[mauchow]

I would definitely classify that as shitty luck indeed.

[Chubby]

the dual deadline has really been tough IMO

[PackerFanatic]

Originally Posted by Chubby

narc, hoops, danny, murrayyyy

as you can see, i have had spectacularly shitty luck

The fact you survived this long as seer is pretty good luck if you ask me

[Chubby]

if we cross the streams, i still have a charge left to fend off ghosts. hence why i didn't want the other (venkman) ghostbuster to reveal just yet

[KatyLied]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Trying to figure out why Katylied hasn't moved her vote yet.

Because KatyLied slept 'till noon and is catching up on posts. Don't judge me.

[fontisian]

Chubby, just out of curiosity, why did you check Murrayyyyy?

[KatyLied]

Originally, I voted for Lathum because of his interactions with Chubby. Lathum seemed to take things a bit personally for no good reason which, to me, appeared to be him protesting too much.

I don't see any good reason to move my vote - though Lathum seems to be pressuring me to do so without any proper reason (which also seems a little odd). He's not in any danger with my single vote, and I don't want to contribute moving my vote improperly and contributing to killing a citizen of NYC. I don't have any other clear suspects, though it is possible that I missed something given my beginner status. I'm willing to listen to a compelling argument.

[fontisian]

Originally Posted by KatyLied

I don't see any good reason to move my vote - though Lathum seems to be pressuring me to do so without any proper reason (which also seems a little odd).

I don't really consider Lathum's posts to be pressuring you to move.

Originally Posted by Lathum

care to explain why?

is a completely reasonable question and

Originally Posted by Lathum

Trying to figure out why Katylied hasn't moved her vote yet.

is just questioning why you haven't moved in self-defence.

If you're looking for evidence against people, Narcizo's post 1392 and bhlloy immediate jump onto Narc are pretty damning for bhlloy.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by KatyLied

Originally, I voted for Lathum because of his interactions with Chubby. Lathum seemed to take things a bit personally for no good reason which, to me, appeared to be him protesting too much.

I don't see any good reason to move my vote - though Lathum seems to be pressuring me to do so without any proper reason (which also seems a little odd). He's not in any danger with my single vote, and I don't want to contribute moving my vote improperly and contributing to killing a citizen of NYC. I don't have any other clear suspects, though it is possible that I missed something given my beginner status. I'm willing to listen to a compelling argument.

By casting a meaningless vote you could be equally culpable in killing a villager, and I want you to move your vote because I am a villager and we are likely in an end game scenario.

[Narcizo]

Good play Chubby. Kinda wished it was someone else who's cleared as that doesn't really help my analysis. But I know what its like having bad luck with seer scans. I had something similar in the Jungle Book game.

Don't necessarily think anyone voting me is automatically bad. The problem with my reasoning over bhlloy is that its possible my scenario is correct but just because its possible it doesn't make it likely.

[Narcizo]

Originally Posted by KatyLied

Originally, I voted for Lathum because of his interactions with Chubby. Lathum seemed to take things a bit personally for no good reason which, to me, appeared to be him protesting too much.

I don't see any good reason to move my vote - though Lathum seems to be pressuring me to do so without any proper reason (which also seems a little odd). He's not in any danger with my single vote, and I don't want to contribute moving my vote improperly and contributing to killing a citizen of NYC. I don't have any other clear suspects, though it is possible that I missed something given my beginner status. I'm willing to listen to a compelling argument.

If you are a villager then voting Lathum isn't going to help unless you get people to follow you. Unless you're Venkman. And if you are Venkman I urge you to reveal it so that people can take that into account when analyzing yesterday.

[britrock88]

Originally Posted by KatyLied

Originally, I voted for Lathum because of his interactions with Chubby. Lathum seemed to take things a bit personally for no good reason which, to me, appeared to be him protesting too much.

Well, unlike some other WW players, he at least refrained from shouting at Chubby in all-caps...

[Narcizo]

Worth pointing out that, as fontisian said, I could still be the convertee. I actually think my own reasoning are a stronger defence than Chubby's scan.

[Narcizo]

Originally Posted by fontisian

But if someone has the role, he/she should claim so that we can clear one person.

Except I wouldn't trust anyone claiming that role because it would be an easy gamble for a wolf and hope that the role isn't in the game.

[fontisian]

Let's put it this way. If the roleclaims comes in fairly soon, I'd be willing to trust it. If it comes at the end of the day, after everyone has checked in, or from someone who is about to be lynched, it wouldn't be worth much.

[Passacaglia]

I think it's already pretty late in this "day" for a reveal.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I think it's already pretty late in this "day" for a reveal.

I would be very leery of a reveal at this point, it would say more to me that it is a wolf who took the time to plan a fake reveal then a rolled villager coming out.

Unless it is Venkman, who could obviously prove who they were by duking.

[Passacaglia]

Yeah, so even if they reveal as Venkman, I'll still vote them, and if they are right, they can duke it.

[Passacaglia]

Placeholder in case I don't get back, I still don't feel like I got a good answer here:

VOTE FONTISIAN

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by fontisian

Chubby, just out of curiosity, why did you check Murrayyyyy?

because i was fairly confident of lathum given our exchange and wanted somebody i felt was a little under the radar. i figured Katy would be a choice today so it was really between murrayyyy and pass as my 2 main choices

[bhlloy]

Well at least that helps us a little

unvote narc

[JAG]

KatyLied 3 - Chubby (1360), Autumn (1383), mauchow (1384)
bhlloy 2 - Narcizo (1396), fontisian (1402)
fontisian 1 - Passacaglia (1430)
Lathum 1 - KatyLied (1361)

[Chubby]

i was always planning on revealing this weekend. given my bad luck, i was hoping to at least draw a little bit more information out by doing it the way i did

[KatyLied]

Originally Posted by britrock88

Well, unlike some other WW players, he at least refrained from shouting at Chubby in all-caps...

He does have some couth.

So moving now basically looks like forcing a tie to save myself. Gah!

[bhlloy]

If you are vanilla forcing a tie to save yourself is pretty much the worst thing you can do, although we might be in enough trouble it might not be the end of the world. Problem is I'm vanilla too so that would end the game for sure

[bhlloy]

vote font

I don't have a lot of trust here, and trying to push a candidate who isn't me or katy

[fontisian]

Originally Posted by JAG

Rules:Tiebreaker: If two or more players end up with the same number of votes, the player to be lynched will be randomly selected amongst those receiving the highest amount of votes. There is also a chance that an additional person at random will be lynched anytime there is a tie.

A tie might not actually be that bad at this point. If it came down to either a tie between me and someone else or me being lynched, I would probably force the tie.

[KatyLied]

Originally Posted by bhlloy

Problem is I'm vanilla too so that would end the game for sure

Well, assuming you are vanilla, but nobody believes either of us about being vanilla, we are basically fungible. It's the same risk to the village either way.

[KatyLied]

Originally Posted by fontisian

If it came down to either a tie between me and someone else or me being lynched, I would probably force the tie.

That doesn't account for the other random death.

[fontisian]

Considering that there's only a small chance of the other random death and that if it did occur, there's a good chance that it would hit scum, I would consider it a risk worth taking.

[bhlloy]

Yeah I can see that font, if we weren't villager - villager, which I think we probably are

I still have a defensive vote to use on Katy but if everyone agrees we should leave it tied and see what happens, I'd probably go along with that. But I'm not sure the math lines up. Crossing the streams is probably a better last ditch option than that

[fontisian]

I should clarify that I would make it a tie rather than allowing myself to die, because I know I'm vanilla and my death would pretty much end the game. I do not think that we collectively should go for a tie.

[Narcizo]

I don't think we want a tie as it might interfere with Venkman's ability to duke the vote. Stop all this at once.

Ooo! I'm going to die tonight probably. Or be converted and get lynched tomorrow if the forces of darkness don't prevail once I join them. I suppose I should make an effort to analyze people and stuff.

[Narcizo]

Katy if you're villager then you have to vote for the next candidate in self-defence. (well, you kind of have to do that if you're a wolf as well otherwise it just isn't cricket). If you're a villager then you know you are - you don't know about the other guy. Some people actually lie in this game.

A vote on Lathum at this point is a waste of time. Especially as the one cleared guy and the one semi-cleared guy both have Lathum high on their trust list. Apparently.

[Narcizo]

Lathum
mauchow
Autumn
fontisian
bhlloy
Katy
Pass

probably 3 wolves, 3 villagers (one Venkman) and one uncertain. You'd have thunk we would be able to hit a wolf in that or we should all hang our heads in shame.

Thinking about yesterday. The wolves are going to expect Katy to be scanned if she survives. Are the other two going to vote her opponent to keep her alive? When she doesn't even do it herself. Is this whole laissez faire business a cunning wolf ruse?

Bhlloy - you argument for voting me was that there must be a veteran player on the wolf side. You mentioned me or Autumn, how come you aren't making a pitch for it being Autumn. Or arguing that I've been converted (that's pretty much been my line about you, after all). Looks to me like you're trying to attach your vote anywhere you think it will stick. I've a feeling that you're proclaiming Katy's innocence to get her lynched tomorrow if you're a wolf and get lynched tonight. But hopefully that's something Spengler will be able to look into.

I don't think I'm going to move my vote. If that screws the vote up then Venkman will just have to use his duke power.

[Narcizo]

OK. That post didn't actually go the way I was intending at the outset. I was going to go through each of the candidates and see if I could find any sort of connection or whatnot. Anyway.

The easiest thing would be for the wolves to be Bhlloy, Katy and fontisian.

Anyway, good luck village!

[Narcizo]

The last post was brought to you in association with the word "anyway".

[Narcizo]

Yeehaw! A game I've posted in more than Danny.

[Danny]

For now...