Werewolf XCVI: The Dark One and The Order of Righteousness (GAME OVER EVIL WINS)

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by KWhit

All of you guys who are saying "Yeah, I figured Lathum was the seer" are going to feel pretty stupid when I'm revealed as a villager.

Just sayin'.

I often feel stupid in this game. It helps keep my humble in real life.

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I guess you've got to pick your spots, though -- I was also hoping to lynch Autumn without Lathum revealing, so it can go both ways.

That would have been an unfortunate choice. What makes you think I need to be lynched.

[lerriuqs]

Originally Posted by SnDvls

only issue I have with this is what if the king is killed before freeing the prisoners? Then the BG and all that stuff is thrown off as we have to elect a new king first.

The thing is, as long as the BG is alive, he can just switch between Lathum and the king. So Lathum is protected tonight, jailed tomorrow and the King protected who then releases Lathum. So as long as the bodyguard is alive, we can keep Lathum around for at least two more scans.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Schmidty

Please keep religion and politics out of WW.

Thanks.

+1.

~Barkeep49, Your Friendly Werewolf Moderator

[RendeR]

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by dubb93

I made a minor change to Post 1252

DON'T EDIT POSTS!!!

ha ha

really what changed? Adding DT's name is all?

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Autumn

That would have been an unfortunate choice. What makes you think I need to be lynched.

I thought I made that clear in my last post -- my hunch was that Lathum was the seer, and that he voted for you D3 because he scanned you. BK said he was hoping to get KWhit lynched without a reveal, for the same reason that I was hoping to get you lynched D3 -- only in your case, he hadn't actually scanned you.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by lerriuqs

The thing is, as long as the BG is alive, he can just switch between Lathum and the king. So Lathum is protected tonight, jailed tomorrow and the King protected who then releases Lathum. So as long as the bodyguard is alive, we can keep Lathum around for at least two more scans.

Wouldn't they just kill me tonight then, while the BG is protecting Lathum?

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I thought I made that clear in my last post -- my hunch was that Lathum was the seer, and that he voted for you D3 because he scanned you. BK said he was hoping to get KWhit lynched without a reveal, for the same reason that I was hoping to get you lynched D3 -- only in your case, he hadn't actually scanned you.

Oh I see, I didn't get that. Makes sense then. You guys are all better at this than me, I definitely didn't think Lathum was the seer.

[SnDvls]

dubb - which comes first

wolf kill or king's night action?

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by SnDvls

dubb - which comes first

wolf kill or king's night action?

I don't feel comfortable revealing that.

really what changed? Adding DT's name is all?

I added DT's starting PM to the bottom. Forgot to add that the first go round.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Autumn

Oh I see, I didn't get that. Makes sense then. You guys are all better at this than me, I definitely didn't think Lathum was the seer.

Eh, if Lathum doesn't end up being the seer, then we're all worse at this than you!

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by Autumn

Oh I see, I didn't get that. Makes sense then. You guys are all better at this than me, I definitely didn't think Lathum was the seer.

I'll let you in on a little secret.

You're right and they're wrong.

[Autumn]

Hey, good point.

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Eh, if Lathum doesn't end up being the seer, then we're all worse at this than you!

Hey you beat me to it.

[Autumn]

That was for Pass, not KWhit lol

[Autumn]

For the record I think I believe him now, but I just didn't have Lathum pegged before he revealed. I thought I actually had someone else pegged.

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by Autumn

That was for Pass, not KWhit lol

Seriously, I am not a wolf.

I have been strongly pushing for what I am sure is the best course of action for the village, and for that I am a target of the wolves.

I will state it again. The wolves want you to lynch. When Lathum is revealed for what he is, remember that. I strongly suggest you do two things once I turn up as a villager tonight.

1) Lynch Lathum, not matter what BS story he comes up with. He is likely the cultist, but string him up. No ifs, ands or buts.

2) Jail the next most likely candidate. Unless you're pretty strongly sure of someone's guilt, jail is the best option.

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by Autumn

For the record I think I believe him now, but I just didn't have Lathum pegged before he revealed. I thought I actually had someone else pegged.

Ah, well, you're just as wrong as the rest of them then.

[KWhit]

Pass, did you get a read on Abe's guilt or innocence? Did I miss that in the thread?

[KWhit]

Oh, and Pass:

Duke to Lathum.

pls k thx.

[KWhit]

Hello?

Is this mic on?

[Tyrith]

Originally Posted by KWhit

Hello?

Is this mic on?

No one here but us corpses.

[KWhit]

And corpses to be.

Bah!

[Autumn]

I don't think there's much to say at this point, KWhit. The simplest and I think wisest way to figure out who's telling the truth is to lynch you.

You can suppose "the real seer" is holding out, not wanting to reveal themselves to counterreveal, but if so then lynching you to find out Lathum's bad is a fine compromise.

[Chief Rum]

So, KWhit, never heard you say (or can't recall it). Do you propose that you are a vanilla villager?

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

So, KWhit, never heard you say (or can't recall it). Do you propose that you are a vanilla villager?

Yes. Vanilla as they come.

[KWhit]

What I can't really figure is why Lathum came out the way he did.

I suppose he must be the cultist and is willing to give himself up to try to out the real seer, but it doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

Oh, and he'd get rid of a terrific player in myself of course, who has been promoting a valuable strategy for the village. There is that, too of course.

[KWhit]

I guess I should be flattered that Lathum decided that getting me out of the game was worth a fake reveal that will end up in his death tomorrow.

Thanks, Lathum.

[KWhit]

Of course, if the real seer wanted to reveal, it wouldn't hurt my feelings.

I'm not very excited about being lynched tonight....

[RendeR]

ASking the seer to reveal to save a vanilla villager is...shall we say, not going to help you =)

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by RendeR

ASking the seer to reveal to save a vanilla villager is...shall we say, not going to help you =)

Bah.

[Chief Rum]

So, Mr. Iamnotawolf, if Lathum were to be lying, who would you peg as wolves in this game? And who do you trust as villagers here?

I think Lathum's right. He has been trigging me as the seer since the BK thing on Day One.

But it's boring to sit around and wait for a given lynch. So what you gotta say, KWhit?

[MartinD]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

so help me god if MartinD is the seer

Yes, I'm the seer - was just trying to keep a low profile to give me the opportunity to get a couple more scans in, even though I hit a wolf on Day 1...














Oh, wait - that was last game...

While I'm not a vanilla villager, I have a minor role this time round - on the side of the village, but definitely not the seer.

[MartinD]

If no-one has tried to counter Lathum's claim of seership after this much time, it's pretty unlikely to happen now (in my opinion) - seems to me that the only sensible option is to go with Lathum's information.

VOTE KWHIT LYNCH

[Chief Rum]

Gotta get work done, so I am probably out for a few hours. Might check in again briefly before heading home, but there doesn't seem to be much going on here.

So, Lathum, who are your next targets? Any rough ideas who you're looking at, or who you trust?

[saldana]

can we vote nightfall?

[saldana]

Originally Posted by RendeR

You're not paying attention to the rules then.

We have a 20% chance EVERY NIGHT to find out exactly who is in jail, wether there is one person jailed or 10 of us in there, we could hit on none, we could hit on all 10.

That is STILL better than blindly shooting at villagers until we find a furball.

no it isnt, because putting them in jail still decrements our side in the race to the 1:1 ratio and the king can only let one out per night...so right now, you are supporting the idea of taking villagers out of the game with the 20% chance that we will find out if they are good or bad, but at the same time taking our information away from us...

the wolves are getting the same gains towards victory either way and since even if the king gets all 10 at once, he can only let one out, we are gonna lose.

[Lathum]

Going out soon and will be gone past deadline but I would probably scan Autumn next.

[RendeR]

Apparently I haven't voted yet.

VOTE LYNCH KWHIT

seems like the obvious choice in this situation.

[lerriuqs]

Will likely be out again past deadline - will try to check in during the last hour.

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by saldana

can we vote nightfall?

Absolutely not.

[dubb93]

Lets talk weekend play. I work tomorrow and even though it was not an issue on Tuesday, that does not mean it will not be an issue tomorrow. Do we want to:

A. Have the regular deadlines Friday(10a and 11p). Have night 5 actions due by noon saturday and then have day 6 run from noon saturday to 11p Monday.

B. Have day 5 run from 10a Friday until 11p Saturday. Night 5 actions would be due by 10p Sunday(or even 10a Monday). Day 6 would run from 10p Sunday to 11p Monday.

C. Some other kind of schedule.

[Chief Rum]

BK's schedule last game (taken from Alan's suggestion/past use, I believe) was a pretty good one, I thought.

It's close to #2, but has the Saturday deadline at 12 p.m. noon, and then Day 6 just goes on to regular finish time Monday.

I would prefer an earlier Saturday deadline, speaking just for myself.

[Autumn]

I think either of those would work for me. I'm going to be available very little Saturday and Sunday so stretched out would help me.

[The Jackal]

Anything works for me, I'll be around

[dubb93]

Day 4 Lynch Vote (11p Deadline):

KWhit Lynch - 14 - Lathum (1258), Pass (1321), Autumn (1323), Lerriuqs (1326), SnDvls (1328), Path (1338), CR (1342), USFL (1350), Saldana (1359), Jackal (1377), Telle (1382), Barkeep (1397), MartinD (1435), RendeR (1440)

Lathum Lynch - 1- KWhit (1380),

[saldana]

Originally Posted by dubb93

Absolutely not.

a simple "no" would have sufficed.

[Autumn]

Well, that makes it a big snoozer then. I'll try to get on around deadline to see the action.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by saldana

a simple "no" would have sufficed.

It would definitely for sure absolutely positively without a doubt not have sufficed.