WW XCIX: Seville High, Book Two: The Janitor Lives!!! Game Over - Blakekin Win!!!! - Page 28

hoopsguy · 07-29-2009, 03:44 PM

Going by the rules, PB defintely started off as good - there is a comment from Abe that people scan as they are.

So to vote for PB as wolf, he would have had to be turned on Night 4 when there was no kill. When he says that he was blocking the attack on NTN.

PB - I know that you have a tendency to drop hints when you have a role. Mind sharing where you've suggested BG (and protecting NTN, potentially) earlier in the thread?

hoopsguy · 07-29-2009, 03:46 PM

PB - there is no way that I would take this tack as a wolf while leaving NFG and Schmidty alive. Guys that have seemed to be looking for reasons to vote for me all game. It would be the least intelligent game I've ever played as a wolf.

If I was a wolf I would push for a lynch on what I thought was the easiest target. I'm not, so I'm trying to figure out data that doesn't make sense to me. Like why you haven't been targeted for five days running as the only cleared person.

hoopsguy · 07-29-2009, 03:53 PM

Working through the Blakekin - I'm going under the assumption that the Angry Blakekin is not in the game because the wolves would be trying to sacrifice him today and take their night kill tonight for the 1:1 ratio.

We know that the slut is out there - I've been slutted, PB has been slutted, and I'm guessing no one really thinks that we are the last two wolves? So mark that down as one remaining wolf role.

hoopsguy · 07-29-2009, 03:53 PM

Abe, what is the order of actions for Slut vs Guard? Does the slut stop the guard from acting?

PurdueBrad · 07-29-2009, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Abe, what is the order of actions for Slut vs Guard? Does the slut stop the guard from acting?

Sort of. If I'm slutted, my block doesn't happen. If the person I block is slutted, then the slut is actually blocked.

Abe Sargent · 07-29-2009, 03:57 PM

I've already spoken on this at length and I don;t want to type it up again. Took like 3 minutes to type and I have fries in my hand

The Jackal · 07-29-2009, 03:59 PM

Abe Sargent · 07-29-2009, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

Someone, who doesn;t even have a role, sent me a pm with a game question about the interaction between several roles. Folks, if you have game questions that are not about your specific role, please post them.

I will answer the question here, because I do not believe this info is hidden. This post simply discusses the interactions between three role,s and it does not mean any of these roles are actually in the game:

Slut vs Guard:

Scenario 1 - The Guard guards another person. That person is slutted. What happens? The slut is stopped and guarded. The guard stops all Blakekin actions.

Scenario 2 - The guard guard another person. The guard is slutted. The guard doesnot guard, and is instead enslutted.

Scenario 3 - The guard guards themself, and the slut targets them. Result? No guard. The slut hits first. The slut stops it from ever occuring at all.

Slut vs Mischief Maker:

Scenario 1 - The Mischief Maker sends actions from player A to player B. Player A is enslutted. Instead, the slut bounces to player B.

Scenario 2 - Same as above, but MM is slutted. the bounce is stopped.

Scenario 3 - Same as above, but the MM is Player A. The slut targets player A. The Slut stops to the bounce from occurring, since it stops an action ebfore it begins (see Scenario 3 above for another example).

For hoopsguy

Poli · 07-29-2009, 04:03 PM

RRRRRRrrrriiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnng!

hoopsguy · 07-29-2009, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Although I did get enslutted again last night.

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Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Come to think of it, I've really been sexed up a lot this game.

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Alright, I was trying to do something that may have been counter-productive and yet, at the same time, this will sort of screw Hoops' plan.

I am the BG.

I guarded ntndeacon on the night nobody was killed and scored a block. Here is my list of block attempts:

Chapter 2- Self
Chapter 4- EF
Chapter 6- Self
Chapter 8- ntn (will discuss how I knew to do this in next post)
Chapter 10- Self
Chapter 12- Hoops
Chapter 14- Self

The reason for the question:

Slutting:
N1 - EagleFan (post #295)
N2 - PurdueBrad (#436)
N3 - Hoopsguy (#619)
N4 - Lerriuqs (#882)
N5 - PurdueBrad (#1184)
N6 -
N7 - PurdueBrad (#1288)

OK, I'm missing a night in here somewhere - how did this happen?

hoopsguy · 07-29-2009, 04:07 PM

Abe, is the Slut allowed to hit the same person on back to back nights? The rules do not seem to say one way or another on this point. But from a balance standpoint, it seems odd to allow them to totally negate a role/person every night.

MartinD · 07-29-2009, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

The reason for the question:

Slutting:
N1 - EagleFan (post #295)
N2 - PurdueBrad (#436)
N3 - Hoopsguy (#619)
N4 - Lerriuqs (#882)
N5 - PurdueBrad (#1184)
N6 -
N7 - PurdueBrad (#1288)

OK, I'm missing a night in here somewhere - how did this happen?

Is post 1184 not related to night 6? JetsIn06 appears to have been the Slut's target on night 5 (post 1017).

hoopsguy · 07-29-2009, 04:12 PM

Great, thanks Martin - knew I was missing one somewhere.

Abe Sargent · 07-29-2009, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Abe, is the Slut allowed to hit the same person on back to back nights? The rules do not seem to say one way or another on this point. But from a balance standpoint, it seems odd to allow them to totally negate a role/person every night.

There is no restriction to their role. Any player, including Blakekin, can be slutted any number of times in row, and no slut may occur as well.

PurdueBrad · 07-29-2009, 04:18 PM

Slutting:
N1 - EagleFan (post #295)
N2 - PurdueBrad (#436)
N3 - Hoopsguy (#619)
N4 - Lerriuqs (#882)
N5 - Jets (#1017)
N6 - PurdueBrad (#1184)
N7 - PurdueBrad (#1288)

Fixed the list based on the above information.

hoopsguy · 07-29-2009, 04:21 PM

I guess I'm staying on my MartinD vote - PB's stuff all checks out based on rules questions that I can think of.

hoopsguy · 07-29-2009, 04:22 PM

Schmidty - just curious, but did you even read my reveal? Have you considered it in light of the events with EagleFan on Day 3, when he copped to my role? Which led to me voting for him?

PurdueBrad · 07-29-2009, 04:23 PM

Hoops, as hard as it has been for me to trust you this game, you're going to have to trust me. This isn't how I would've played it as a wolf either. First of all, I would've certainly jumped on any opportunity to lynch you as opposed to actively trying to look for other angles. Secondly, the last two kills baffle me unless they truly had no idea who the BG was and they were hunting.

PurdueBrad · 07-29-2009, 04:24 PM

SCHMIDTY (all caps so you'll see it, not for yelling purposes)- IF Hoops weren't an option, would you vote for Martin D or nfg and why?

PurdueBrad · 07-29-2009, 04:26 PM

If were a wolf Hoops, in all honesty (and this is a compliment), I would've killed you long ago if I had the chance. I always try to get the people out that when the game is on the line, can put things together. You're one of those guys. Take that for what you will.

[/end to Hoops love-fest]

hoopsguy · 07-29-2009, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Hoops, as hard as it has been for me to trust you this game, you're going to have to trust me. This isn't how I would've played it as a wolf either. First of all, I would've certainly jumped on any opportunity to lynch you as opposed to actively trying to look for other angles. Secondly, the last two kills baffle me unless they truly had no idea who the BG was and they were hunting.

So, care to point me to places in the thread where you suggested that you have the BG role?

I completely distrust you but I'm also failing in building a case right now. So I hope that I'm wrong about you while voting elsewhere because it offers the best chance for winning the game.

If you and I are both alive tomorrow I imagine that I'll be revisiting this in spades.

PurdueBrad · 07-29-2009, 04:32 PM

Hoops, I'll look back but I honestly don't think I laid groundwork. My best piece of evidence is drawing the attack on ntn and getting a block. I'll go through my posts, but I did not actively try to drop clues this game. My PM to Abe at the beginning was that making me guard was crazy, with how early an exit I've been as of late.

I will say from a RP standpoint, my "standing up" for Path12 v. Danny was less in my character's persona (artistic over athletic and aggressive) and more a play of the guard role.

nfg22 · 07-29-2009, 04:34 PM

I have to leave soon but...schmidty..how do you not trust hoops? Ill be switching to schmidty if i can get confirmation thats what hoops wants to do. But hoops is totall good. No way for him not to be.

hoopsguy · 07-29-2009, 04:35 PM

PB, I'm usually pretty good at picking up on the bread crumbs you leave on roles. I haven't found them today, although work has been busy enough to slow me from doing a really exhaustive look.

Oh well - like I said before, potentially to be continued tomorrow. For today, I'll focus on getting the "other" wolf because I don't think I can rally two more votes on you. Honestly, without the word "conversion" appearing in any of the wolf roles I'm not 100% sure that I want to succeed in getting a lynch on you anyway ... it would go against playing the percentages, and I'm more or less a slave to the percentages in these games.

But I just can not find any way to understand the wolf night kills without you being a wolf. And I can pretty easily justify a game that doesn't have a bodyguard with the seer/backup seer mechanic. So that is weighing against my instincts to make the rational play.

PurdueBrad · 07-29-2009, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

I'm settling in to watch The Watchmen but will be around some.

Ummmm, maybe as Guard I watch the Watchmen? No? I tried.

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Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Yeah, but I try very hard not to screw things by not being around and I couldn't help it tonight. I generally do feel pretty shitty about this. Anyway, I'll move on but sorry EF.

Also, while I'm COT, think long and hard about whether or not to guard me tonight. I'm not sure the guard may not be more useful elsewhere.

I tried to draw an attack here on a night I self-protected by saying "put it elsewhere".

Hoops, that's all I got, that and the ntn stuff I laid out before. I didn't actively drop clues this time, which I often do. If it garners voting me out, so be it.

PurdueBrad · 07-29-2009, 04:43 PM

So on two nights I attempted to manipulate the wolves, it worked once.

I guess the other thing, me pushing you to put out your plan as I had a feeling that it would involved a BG reveal but I couldn't figure out what to do. I didn't want to reveal honestly because of the enslutting factor but the wolves know there is a BG and if I didn't ultimately reveal, hiding that info from the village is no good.

I got nothing else Hoops, not out of frustration, just lack of a good trail on my part (which is rare, so I would probably vote me as well).

nfg22 · 07-29-2009, 04:44 PM

I need to go. Since im convinced the last two are Martin and Schmidty I am going to switch to Schmidty be consistent more with what you guys are feeling. Hoops just trust PB for today. Really.

UNVOTE MARTIN D
VOTE SCHMIDTY

PurdueBrad · 07-29-2009, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

PB, I'm usually pretty good at picking up on the bread crumbs you leave on roles. I haven't found them today, although work has been busy enough to slow me from doing a really exhaustive look.

Oh well - like I said before, potentially to be continued tomorrow. For today, I'll focus on getting the "other" wolf because I don't think I can rally two more votes on you. Honestly, without the word "conversion" appearing in any of the wolf roles I'm not 100% sure that I want to succeed in getting a lynch on you anyway ... it would go against playing the percentages, and I'm more or less a slave to the percentages in these games.

But I just can not find any way to understand the wolf night kills without you being a wolf. And I can pretty easily justify a game that doesn't have a bodyguard with the seer/backup seer mechanic. So that is weighing against my instincts to make the rational play.

The one thing going for me is lack of mention of conversions, agreed. If it were reversed, I would be looking directly at you. The last two kills make absolutely no sense to me except that the wolves couldn't expect a block (even if they didn't know I was BG) the odds of those two being guarded weren't good. I'm not a random.org wolf nor am I big on taking the 'safe' play by picking Jets or lerriuqs.

I'm a big instinct/guts believer in games (doesn't usually get me far) but I'm asking you to be the opposite, play rational today and tomorrow and I think we win.

PurdueBrad · 07-29-2009, 04:49 PM

Hoops, I can't guarantee to be here at deadline but I think I can. With nfg's switch, are you going Schmidty too because I'll move as well.

PurdueBrad · 07-29-2009, 04:54 PM

I'm probably gone in about 10-15 minutes and if my future isn't settled, I'm fine with that. Hoops, let me know where you need my vote today and you'll have it, that's all I can offer.

MartinD · 07-29-2009, 05:08 PM

It looks like there are two options for me at the moment - hoopsguy or Schmidty. The simple truth, however, is that we need to find a wolf with today's vote, and I think that hoops is less likely to be a wolf than Schmidty (even though I don't agree with the paths that hoops been going down with his analysis today...)

VOTE SCHMIDTY

And with that, I'm done for the day. Hope that between us we make the right decision tonight, and that the village is still alive and kicking in the morning

PurdueBrad · 07-29-2009, 05:10 PM

I'm out for a double-header and hope to make it back if I'm needed to move. Good luck village.

hoopsguy · 07-29-2009, 05:17 PM

PB - I really do not think that Schmidty is more likely to be a wolf than MartinD. I've voiced some suspicions about Martin not playing like himself from fairly early on in the game. Of the remaining players left he is the one, besides you, that makes the most sense as a wolf to me.

PB, if we are on the same team and there are really two wolves left do we really want NFG making the call for us on where we end up? I want to stay on MartinD and let the chips fall where they will.

I'll definitely be around leading up to deadline for further discussion but I'm off now for my drive home + some family time.

nfg22 · 07-29-2009, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

PB - I really do not think that Schmidty is more likely to be a wolf than MartinD. I've voiced some suspicions about Martin not playing like himself from fairly early on in the game. Of the remaining players left he is the one, besides you, that makes the most sense as a wolf to me.

PB, if we are on the same team and there are really two wolves left do we really want NFG making the call for us on where we end up? I want to stay on MartinD and let the chips fall where they will.

I'll definitely be around leading up to deadline for further discussion but I'm off now for my drive home + some family time.

My brother isnt here yet and i got my car cleaned so I have a few mins...I dont want to make the call either but you said I should switch to schmidty...or at least asked if I would with you? Im following you...

nfg22 · 07-29-2009, 05:32 PM

i gtg im staying on schmidty then

hoopsguy · 07-29-2009, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by nfg22

My brother isnt here yet and i got my car cleaned so I have a few mins...I dont want to make the call either but you said I should switch to schmidty...or at least asked if I would with you? Im following you...

In the very next post I said I wasn't going to make a "spite" vote even though I really would like to make one at some point when I see what I consider a poorly conceived vote in my direction.

hoopsguy · 07-29-2009, 08:07 PM

At this point I'm going to assume that MartinD is not going to be back on for the deadline- it is some stupid early/late (depending on perspective) hour for him and he has not been around for deadlines pretty much ever. On the off chance that he shows up I will be just about 100% certain that he is a wolf.

We are 2-2-1 right now and Schmidty has the option to move a vote off me to save himself. I think he would be correct putting it on MartinD and we'll find out what happens from there.

hoopsguy · 07-29-2009, 08:11 PM

Two wolf pairings (from my perspective):

- PB/MartinD - most likely pairing in my mind

- NFG/MartinD - could see NFG as trying to save MartinD today by burying Schmidty

- Schmidty/MartinD - seems like a reach to me

- PB/NFG - possible, I would probably be looking at a late snipe with these two

- PB/Schmidty - call me fooled, this would be the least likely pairing in my eyes

- NFG/Schmidty - I was wrong, this would be the least likely pairing in my eyes. Can't see both of them gunning for me as consistently/hard as they did earlier

hoopsguy · 07-29-2009, 08:43 PM

And here I was worried that I missed something over the last half hour putting my kid to bed.

hoopsguy · 07-29-2009, 08:57 PM

Vote count:

MartinD - Hoops (1320), PB (1331)
Schmidty - NFG (1377), MartinD (1381)
Hoops - Schmidty (1342)

hoopsguy · 07-29-2009, 08:58 PM

I can't believe that the wolves would let it go to a tie if we did not have a pair of villagers lined up.

So I'm expecting either a late snipe vote or a villager runoff here - which would leave PB/NFG as wolves.

Guess I'll find out inside of ten minutes from now ...

Abe Sargent · 07-29-2009, 09:00 PM

time check

Abe Sargent · 07-29-2009, 09:00 PM

That is time

Abe Sargent · 07-29-2009, 09:04 PM

Another day winds down and there are just five of your left. Once again you find yourself with a tie, despite low and odd numbers.

The debate today has been virtually non-existent. A few rants, a bit of chest thumping, and then silence.

Once again someone produces a quarter. A West Virginia quarter, commemorating he 35th state in the union, will be flipped.

Sarah Dickerson - Heads
Amit Patel - Tails

Up it goes and down it comes.

Heads it is.

Sarah sighs and walks into the fire before you can say a word. Her death is quick and over.

Sarah (Schmidty) was a villager.

As you turn around, you find two of your number with ..... claws?

Roger Sanchez and Amit Patel rip your bodies to shreds and end this.

The Blakekin have won!

The Jackal · 07-29-2009, 09:05 PM

You risky friggin bastards. Great success!

Abe Sargent · 07-29-2009, 09:05 PM

The Blakekin who won:

Danny - Unknown
MartinD - Slut
Jackal - Vanilla
nfg - Angry Blakekin

Autumn · 07-29-2009, 09:06 PM

Wait, who was who?

Danny · 07-29-2009, 09:06 PM

Wow, some curious decisions down the stretch IMO, but it worked out in the end.. Easiest wolf win for me ever!

Autumn · 07-29-2009, 09:06 PM

Ah, thanks lol

JAG · 07-29-2009, 09:07 PM

Nice work wolves, played a very strong game I thought.

07-29-2009, 03:57 PM	#1356
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07-29-2009, 04:03 PM	#1359
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	RRRRRRrrrriiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnng! __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

07-29-2009, 09:00 PM	#1392
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07-29-2009, 09:00 PM	#1393
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	That is time __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

07-29-2009, 09:04 PM	#1394
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	Another day winds down and there are just five of your left. Once again you find yourself with a tie, despite low and odd numbers. The debate today has been virtually non-existent. A few rants, a bit of chest thumping, and then silence. Once again someone produces a quarter. A West Virginia quarter, commemorating he 35th state in the union, will be flipped. Sarah Dickerson - Heads Amit Patel - Tails Up it goes and down it comes. Heads it is. Sarah sighs and walks into the fire before you can say a word. Her death is quick and over. Sarah (Schmidty) was a villager. As you turn around, you find two of your number with ..... claws? Roger Sanchez and Amit Patel rip your bodies to shreds and end this. The Blakekin have won! __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

07-29-2009, 03:44 PM	#1351
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Going by the rules, PB defintely started off as good - there is a comment from Abe that people scan as they are. So to vote for PB as wolf, he would have had to be turned on Night 4 when there was no kill. When he says that he was blocking the attack on NTN. PB - I know that you have a tendency to drop hints when you have a role. Mind sharing where you've suggested BG (and protecting NTN, potentially) earlier in the thread?

07-29-2009, 03:46 PM	#1352
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	PB - there is no way that I would take this tack as a wolf while leaving NFG and Schmidty alive. Guys that have seemed to be looking for reasons to vote for me all game. It would be the least intelligent game I've ever played as a wolf. If I was a wolf I would push for a lynch on what I thought was the easiest target. I'm not, so I'm trying to figure out data that doesn't make sense to me. Like why you haven't been targeted for five days running as the only cleared person.

07-29-2009, 03:53 PM	#1353
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Working through the Blakekin - I'm going under the assumption that the Angry Blakekin is not in the game because the wolves would be trying to sacrifice him today and take their night kill tonight for the 1:1 ratio. We know that the slut is out there - I've been slutted, PB has been slutted, and I'm guessing no one really thinks that we are the last two wolves? So mark that down as one remaining wolf role.

07-29-2009, 03:53 PM	#1354
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Abe, what is the order of actions for Slut vs Guard? Does the slut stop the guard from acting?

07-29-2009, 03:59 PM	#1357
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07-29-2009, 04:07 PM	#1361
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Abe, is the Slut allowed to hit the same person on back to back nights? The rules do not seem to say one way or another on this point. But from a balance standpoint, it seems odd to allow them to totally negate a role/person every night.

07-29-2009, 04:12 PM	#1363
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Great, thanks Martin - knew I was missing one somewhere.

07-29-2009, 04:18 PM	#1365
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	Slutting: N1 - EagleFan (post #295) N2 - PurdueBrad (#436) N3 - Hoopsguy (#619) N4 - Lerriuqs (#882) N5 - Jets (#1017) N6 - PurdueBrad (#1184) N7 - PurdueBrad (#1288) Fixed the list based on the above information.

07-29-2009, 04:21 PM	#1366
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	I guess I'm staying on my MartinD vote - PB's stuff all checks out based on rules questions that I can think of.

07-29-2009, 04:22 PM	#1367
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Schmidty - just curious, but did you even read my reveal? Have you considered it in light of the events with EagleFan on Day 3, when he copped to my role? Which led to me voting for him?

07-29-2009, 04:23 PM	#1368
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	Hoops, as hard as it has been for me to trust you this game, you're going to have to trust me. This isn't how I would've played it as a wolf either. First of all, I would've certainly jumped on any opportunity to lynch you as opposed to actively trying to look for other angles. Secondly, the last two kills baffle me unless they truly had no idea who the BG was and they were hunting.

07-29-2009, 04:24 PM	#1369
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	SCHMIDTY (all caps so you'll see it, not for yelling purposes)- IF Hoops weren't an option, would you vote for Martin D or nfg and why?

07-29-2009, 04:26 PM	#1370
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	If were a wolf Hoops, in all honesty (and this is a compliment), I would've killed you long ago if I had the chance. I always try to get the people out that when the game is on the line, can put things together. You're one of those guys. Take that for what you will. [/end to Hoops love-fest]

07-29-2009, 04:32 PM	#1372
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	Hoops, I'll look back but I honestly don't think I laid groundwork. My best piece of evidence is drawing the attack on ntn and getting a block. I'll go through my posts, but I did not actively try to drop clues this game. My PM to Abe at the beginning was that making me guard was crazy, with how early an exit I've been as of late. I will say from a RP standpoint, my "standing up" for Path12 v. Danny was less in my character's persona (artistic over athletic and aggressive) and more a play of the guard role.

07-29-2009, 04:34 PM	#1373
nfg22 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2004	I have to leave soon but...schmidty..how do you not trust hoops? Ill be switching to schmidty if i can get confirmation thats what hoops wants to do. But hoops is totall good. No way for him not to be.

07-29-2009, 04:35 PM	#1374
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	PB, I'm usually pretty good at picking up on the bread crumbs you leave on roles. I haven't found them today, although work has been busy enough to slow me from doing a really exhaustive look. Oh well - like I said before, potentially to be continued tomorrow. For today, I'll focus on getting the "other" wolf because I don't think I can rally two more votes on you. Honestly, without the word "conversion" appearing in any of the wolf roles I'm not 100% sure that I want to succeed in getting a lynch on you anyway ... it would go against playing the percentages, and I'm more or less a slave to the percentages in these games. But I just can not find any way to understand the wolf night kills without you being a wolf. And I can pretty easily justify a game that doesn't have a bodyguard with the seer/backup seer mechanic. So that is weighing against my instincts to make the rational play.

07-29-2009, 04:43 PM	#1376
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	So on two nights I attempted to manipulate the wolves, it worked once. I guess the other thing, me pushing you to put out your plan as I had a feeling that it would involved a BG reveal but I couldn't figure out what to do. I didn't want to reveal honestly because of the enslutting factor but the wolves know there is a BG and if I didn't ultimately reveal, hiding that info from the village is no good. I got nothing else Hoops, not out of frustration, just lack of a good trail on my part (which is rare, so I would probably vote me as well).

07-29-2009, 04:44 PM	#1377
nfg22 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2004	I need to go. Since im convinced the last two are Martin and Schmidty I am going to switch to Schmidty be consistent more with what you guys are feeling. Hoops just trust PB for today. Really. UNVOTE MARTIN D VOTE SCHMIDTY

07-29-2009, 04:49 PM	#1379
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	Hoops, I can't guarantee to be here at deadline but I think I can. With nfg's switch, are you going Schmidty too because I'll move as well.

07-29-2009, 04:54 PM	#1380
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	I'm probably gone in about 10-15 minutes and if my future isn't settled, I'm fine with that. Hoops, let me know where you need my vote today and you'll have it, that's all I can offer.

07-29-2009, 05:08 PM	#1381
MartinD High School Varsity Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: East Lothian, Scotland	It looks like there are two options for me at the moment - hoopsguy or Schmidty. The simple truth, however, is that we need to find a wolf with today's vote, and I think that hoops is less likely to be a wolf than Schmidty (even though I don't agree with the paths that hoops been going down with his analysis today...) VOTE SCHMIDTY And with that, I'm done for the day. Hope that between us we make the right decision tonight, and that the village is still alive and kicking in the morning

07-29-2009, 05:10 PM	#1382
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	I'm out for a double-header and hope to make it back if I'm needed to move. Good luck village.

07-29-2009, 05:17 PM	#1383
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	PB - I really do not think that Schmidty is more likely to be a wolf than MartinD. I've voiced some suspicions about Martin not playing like himself from fairly early on in the game. Of the remaining players left he is the one, besides you, that makes the most sense as a wolf to me. PB, if we are on the same team and there are really two wolves left do we really want NFG making the call for us on where we end up? I want to stay on MartinD and let the chips fall where they will. I'll definitely be around leading up to deadline for further discussion but I'm off now for my drive home + some family time.

07-29-2009, 05:32 PM	#1385
nfg22 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2004	i gtg im staying on schmidty then

07-29-2009, 08:07 PM	#1387
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	At this point I'm going to assume that MartinD is not going to be back on for the deadline- it is some stupid early/late (depending on perspective) hour for him and he has not been around for deadlines pretty much ever. On the off chance that he shows up I will be just about 100% certain that he is a wolf. We are 2-2-1 right now and Schmidty has the option to move a vote off me to save himself. I think he would be correct putting it on MartinD and we'll find out what happens from there.

07-29-2009, 08:11 PM	#1388
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Two wolf pairings (from my perspective): - PB/MartinD - most likely pairing in my mind - NFG/MartinD - could see NFG as trying to save MartinD today by burying Schmidty - Schmidty/MartinD - seems like a reach to me - PB/NFG - possible, I would probably be looking at a late snipe with these two - PB/Schmidty - call me fooled, this would be the least likely pairing in my eyes - NFG/Schmidty - I was wrong, this would be the least likely pairing in my eyes. Can't see both of them gunning for me as consistently/hard as they did earlier

07-29-2009, 08:43 PM	#1389
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	And here I was worried that I missed something over the last half hour putting my kid to bed.

07-29-2009, 08:57 PM	#1390
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Vote count: MartinD - Hoops (1320), PB (1331) Schmidty - NFG (1377), MartinD (1381) Hoops - Schmidty (1342)

07-29-2009, 08:58 PM	#1391
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	I can't believe that the wolves would let it go to a tie if we did not have a pair of villagers lined up. So I'm expecting either a late snipe vote or a villager runoff here - which would leave PB/NFG as wolves. Guess I'll find out inside of ten minutes from now ...

07-29-2009, 09:05 PM	#1395
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	You risky friggin bastards. Great success!