Werewolf XCVIII - 24 Day Game Over - Post 2899 - Page 28

Passacaglia · 07-09-2009, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

didn't i discuss PB earlier? i swear i did.

I thought so, but it seemed like you were pretty indifferent on him.

Autumn · 07-09-2009, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

didn't i discuss PB earlier? i swear i did.

Discuss him? I think you said he could be good or bad or something to that effect.

Passacaglia · 07-09-2009, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

my thoughts on PB. he has claimed a sort of "slow developing" role, so i'm willing to give him a little more time. he's definately not on my high-trust list though. but nor do i feel he is going to yield us a wolf.

that being said, i'm not going to throw myself under the bus for him and defend his innocence to the death, because i don't know for certain.

is that clearly-unclear enough?

Here you go.

Passacaglia · 07-09-2009, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

However, it should be noted that I did put the first vote on clap, pushed him to reveal his role, unvoted him when he did (after DT had voted for him), then revoted him afterward. I definitely had my own angle on clap, and I don't want it to look like I was just following DT here for the heck of it when I wasn't.

As for Alan, I thought I was just saying what everyone was thinking. I wouldn't have if not for the fact that I thought that if what I was thinking was true, it meant we should have had a lynch then.

And I explained why I voted Brian the next day. I do remember he's been cleared since then, although since I don't know why, that won't really be 100% for me at this time.

So I was glancing at the first page to see if chesapeake was in this game, and I realized that by BrianD's name, it says recovering from torture. I forgot about that mechanic -- so yeah, he's probably good.

DaddyTorgo · 07-09-2009, 11:57 AM

EF is miffed that I'm leaning towards voting him.

It's the simple fact of the matter that he claims abilities that cannot be publicly verified to this date, and it's also being kept as "mysterious" and keeping him silent. Seems like pretty good wolf-cover, no?

Passacaglia · 07-09-2009, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

EF is miffed that I'm leaning towards voting him.

It's the simple fact of the matter that he claims abilities that cannot be publicly verified to this date, and it's also being kept as "mysterious" and keeping him silent. Seems like pretty good wolf-cover, no?

What? Can he not post or something?

DaddyTorgo · 07-09-2009, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

What? Can he not post or something?

this is correct. and his trips away have not yielded any info. apart from "vague suspiscions" about certain players (some of whom i trust, some of whom i don't)

Passacaglia · 07-09-2009, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

this is correct. and his trips away have not yielded any info. apart from "vague suspiscions" about certain players (some of whom i trust, some of whom i don't)

But wait. When this happened last time, we got an announcement in the thread saying he went off the grid, right? Why didn't that happen this time?

DaddyTorgo · 07-09-2009, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

But wait. When this happened last time, we got an announcement in the thread saying he went off the grid, right? Why didn't that happen this time?

apparently because it's a "more advanced" type of off-the-grid "mission" if you will.

Passacaglia · 07-09-2009, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

apparently because it's a "more advanced" type of off-the-grid "mission" if you will.

That sounds fishy. But why make something like that up?

Passacaglia · 07-09-2009, 12:09 PM

I say that realizing that I *have* lied about not being able to post in the past. But I had a good reason then -- I'm not sure what his reason would be now.

DaddyTorgo · 07-09-2009, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

That sounds fishy. But why make something like that up?

to try to clear fellow wolves or get villagers lynched if he's bad obviously.

Passacaglia · 07-09-2009, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

to try to clear fellow wolves or get villagers lynched if he's bad obviously.

I was actually just talking about his inability to post.

hoopsguy · 07-09-2009, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

there are 1300 posts in the thread. i'm sure we'll be okay.

Pretty slow game, huh?

Autumn · 07-09-2009, 12:15 PM

Weird, that's suspect. I'm now wary of jumping on the "suspicious behavior with DT" bandwagon but I'm certainly ready to switch my vote today if necessary.

DaddyTorgo · 07-09-2009, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I was actually just talking about his inability to post.

being quiet keeps you UTR and from slipping up in your posts...

Danny · 07-09-2009, 12:23 PM

EF is generally not one to be quiet when he is a wolf. I'm mixed on that. He obviously has an ability here since it was demonstrated day 1, but there's no telling whether the ability is for good or evil.

DaddyTorgo · 07-09-2009, 12:24 PM

okay - i am heading out here in a second. will check in from my phone every hour or so provided that i can. will also be voting from my phone.

Passacaglia · 07-09-2009, 12:25 PM

So how long can't he post for?

DaddyTorgo · 07-09-2009, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

EF is generally not one to be quiet when he is a wolf. I'm mixed on that. He obviously has an ability here since it was demonstrated day 1, but there's no telling whether the ability is for good or evil.

good point.

i'm not necessarily endorsing an EF lynch, just saying that as I was typing out that long PM that was one thing that raised an eyebrow with me.

we could lynch PB but I'm willing to cut him a little slack still. could also lynch jackal.

could look at a player like isiddiqui or kingfc as well.

DaddyTorgo · 07-09-2009, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

So how long can't he post for?

i don't know.

*shuts down computer and goes to grab lunch before leaving*

chesapeake · 07-09-2009, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

So I was glancing at the first page to see if chesapeake was in this game

Nah...I'm just a viewer enjoying the show

Passacaglia · 07-09-2009, 12:29 PM

EagleFan -- how long can't you post for?

Passacaglia · 07-09-2009, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by chesapeake

Nah...I'm just a viewer enjoying the show

That's what I thought, but in a game this big, you never know who could be playing, but you just don't realize it.

Danny · 07-09-2009, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

could look at a player like isiddiqui or kingfc as well.

I was looking at a potential King vote as well as he has struck me a bit, but that is based purely on subjective matters and it would be nice if we had something more to go on.

ISiddiqui · 07-09-2009, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

apparently because it's a "more advanced" type of off-the-grid "mission" if you will.

So it's a mission he can elect to undertake, but forces him to stay off the grid? And we don't know when he is or isn't off the grid aside from if he sends a PM to someone right beforehand?

hoopsguy · 07-09-2009, 12:43 PM

Just a note on the PMs, as this has been confusing for a couple of people.

The rule is 4 PMs per 24 hours, not 4 PMs per day. This can be good/bad for the player, depending on the context. The 24 hours is a rolling period of time - it is not static.

Example:
7/7 8:00 AM
7/7 10:00 AM
7/7 9:00 PM
7/8 7:55 AM

At that point the player would not have 3 PMs available for 7/8. Instead would be out of PM's until 8:00 AM, at which point they could send a PM. Another PM would become available at 10:00 AM.

Please let me know if this is unclear. BK and I have sent a couple of PMs to people when they are tapped out on PMs and it was pretty clear to us that the 4-per-24 concept was not universally understood.

If you already understood this, great. For those people who have not been sending any PMs, don't worry about this too much

Autumn · 07-09-2009, 12:57 PM

I'm going to stick with my NFG vote right now. It seems to me we have enough suspects we should be able to have a pretty good showdown today. Let's see some votes.

ISiddiqui · 07-09-2009, 01:02 PM

I'm going to wait until we get more information on EF, but I realize I still have a vote for Autumn on the books. I think I've seen enough from Autumn and DT to release that at this point.

Unvote Autumn

PurdueBrad · 07-09-2009, 01:03 PM

Just catching up on lots. I haven't done anything worthy of trust yet, the biggest thing I've done is simply not die to this point and vote incorrectly twice in self-defense situations. I know all votes need to be analyzed but if you look at mine, they are blatant self-defense. Had I not moved and still managed not to get killed, then you would lynch me for the same thing. Honestly, I'm just trying to stay alive (cue John Travolta).

unvote Autumn

And I'll read back and look for who the best candidate is.

Alan T · 07-09-2009, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Please let me know if this is unclear. BK and I have sent a couple of PMs to people when they are tapped out on PMs and it was pretty clear to us that the 4-per-24 concept was not universally understood.

If you already understood this, great. For those people who have not been sending any PMs, don't worry about this too much

Can you please send me a PM explaining this in detail? Thanks!

PurdueBrad · 07-09-2009, 01:08 PM

Right now, I think only nfg and I have votes. Obviously, I'll likely end up throwing a vote there out of self-defense eventually.

The case on me thus far: Not sure what drove the initial run on day 1 but lived through lynches on both day 1 and 2 AND cast votes for villagers on day 1 and day 2.

What is the case on nfg at this point?

Danny · 07-09-2009, 01:09 PM

PB, right now you are on top of my possible vote list because your death tell us a lot. If there was another way we could learn your allegiance without you dying that would be good too. I know DT mentioned you had a slow developing role which helped you stay alive. It might help us if we knew what this was. I know it would help the wolves to possibly kill you, but to be honest, if the wolves kill you, it helps the village quite a bit, by allowing us a much better analysis of day 1 and 2 votes.

Danny · 07-09-2009, 01:11 PM

Keep in mind PB, use your own judgment here on whether a reveal would be bad or good, I'm not going to press you for it, but sometimes villagers can be a little too slow to reveal. And I realize I may get some suspicion for questioning about PB's role, but it is very helpful if we learn his allegiance one or the other.

Danny · 07-09-2009, 01:14 PM

Oh and regarding voting, I will not be voting EagleFan today. He clearly has the ability to go underground (we don't know if it's for good or bad though) and I want to see the result of this tonight when he gets back in thread before evaluating him. I am suspicious of anyone who would push for his vote during this time. If you don't trust him, there will be plenty of chances to go that way after today.

PurdueBrad · 07-09-2009, 01:15 PM

Danny, I don't doubt the information that would be gained from my death. I've learned a lot since the first time I was in this situation (several games ago) and the two since (please note, I was/am a villager to all intents and purposes in all three cases). I will say this about my role, I am not as valuable as Claphamsa right now and will need to prove my worth.

And you do get info from lynching me but I've told two people via PM that I would look at those that bailed off of me during the run on KWhit. I'm in no position to really drive a lynch on anyone but if I were not having to vote out of self-defense, my vote would likely be in there somewhere.

Danny · 07-09-2009, 01:19 PM

PB, do you have PM's left?

PurdueBrad · 07-09-2009, 01:21 PM

Danny, I have on PM right now and then three more that open up this evening, so yes.

PurdueBrad · 07-09-2009, 01:21 PM

on=one

PurdueBrad · 07-09-2009, 01:31 PM

To the @ 1:25 that I didn't get to answer, I will do so fully when my next PM is available at 4:43 or some such time. The answer to you is definitely maybe and I will lay it out for you then.

Passacaglia · 07-09-2009, 01:33 PM

I hate Oasis.

hoopsguy · 07-09-2009, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I hate Oasis.

Cause maybe (maybe) - you're going to be the one that saves me?

Danny · 07-09-2009, 01:37 PM

Thanks PB, I am going to do some vote analysis with the assumption that PB is not a wolf and see what might be a good vote at that time. I am not saying PB is not a wolf, but I want to see what can be made of the votes if he is not

Danny · 07-09-2009, 01:43 PM

Day 1 Final vote count:
The Jackal: clap (453, 1:55 pm)
BrianD: Pass (330, 8:23)

NTN: JAG (332, 8:31) Jackal (374, 10:26 AM) KWhit (390, 10:45 AM) king (425, 12:26 PM) thomkal (441, 1:42 pm) Tyrith (514, 3:44 PM) Schmidty (537, 5:48)

PurdueBrad: Eagle (334, 8:59 AM) saldana (501, 3:22 PM) path (546, 6:03) ntn (560, 6:14)

KWhit: nfg (482, 2:39 PM) CR (565, 6:44) Brian (579, 7:22) Autumn (581, 7:27) DT (595, 7:39) Telle (598, 7:42) ISiddiqui (599 7:44) Alan (600 7:44) PB (602, 7:44)

DAY 1 FINAL

Eaglefan 1 – BrianD (292)
Path 1 – nfg22 (305)
Jackal 1 – PB (328)
BrianD 1 – Pass (330)
Ntn 1 – Jag (332)
PB 1 – Eaglefan (334)
Jackal 2 – Saldana (343)
Path 2 – Tyrith (347)
UNVOTE Eaglefan 0 – BrianD (358)
Ntn 2 – Path (360)
PB 2 – Jackal (366)
Jackal 3 – Brian D (370)
Ntn 3 – Daddy Torgo (371)
UNVOTE PB 1 – Jackal (374)
Ntn 4 – Jackal (374)
UNVOTE Path 1 – Tyrith (388)
Jackal 4 – Tyrith (388)
Ntn 5 – Alan (389)
Ntn 6 – Kwhit (390)
Jackal 5 – Telle (391)
UNVOTE Jackal 4 – Telle (411)
PB 2 – Telle (411)
Ntn 7 – Kingfc (425)
Jackal 5 – Ntn (431)
UNVOTE path 0 – nfg22 (439)
Ntn 8 – nfg22 (439)
Ntn 9 – Thomkal (441)
UNVOTE Jackal 4 – BrianD (443)
PB 3 – BrianD (443)
Jackal 5 – claphamsa (453)
PB 4 – Autumn (459)
UNVOTE ntn 8 – Daddy Torgo (463)
PB 5 – Isiddiqui (471)
UNVOTE ntn 7 – Alan (474)
UNVOTE Jackal 4 – ntn (475)
Kwhit 1 – ntn (475)
UNVOTE ntn 6 – nfg22 (482)
Kwhit 2 – nfg22 (482)
UNVOTE ntn 5 – path (496)
UNVOTE Jackal 3 – saldana (501)
PB 6 – saldana (501)
UNVOTE Jackal 2 – PB (511)
UNVOTE Jackal 1 – Tyrith (514)
Ntn 6 – Tyrith (514)
Ntn 7 – PB (517)
Ntn 8 – Schmidty (537)
PB 7 – path (546)
UNVOTE KWhit 1 – ntn (560)
PB 8 – ntn (560)
KWhit 2 – Chief (565)
UNVOTE PB 7 – BrianD (579)
KWhit 3 – BrianD (579)
UNVOTE PB 6 – autumn (581)
KWhit 4 – autumn (581)
KWhit 5 – Daddy Torgo (596)
UNVOTE PB 5 – Telle (598)
KWhit 6 – Telle (598)
UNVOTE PB 4 - ISiddiqui (599)
KWhit 7 – Isiddiqui (599)
KWhit 8 – Alan (600)
UNVOTE ntn 7 – PB (602)
KWhit 9 – PB (602)

Danny · 07-09-2009, 01:46 PM

Day 2 Voting Record

Chief Rum: Telle (950, 3:53 PM)
Claphamsa: nfg (781, 9:21 AM) DT (923, 3:23 PM) Alan T (935, 3:31) Autumn (948, 3:46) Purdue (967, 4:58 pm) Chief (969, 6:01 PM) EF (1040, 7:49) Pass (1046 7:54)
Purdue: path (867, 1:55) Schmidty (956 4:18 pm) Jackal (960, 4:37 pm) Danny (966 4:55 pm) NTN (991, 7:09 PM) Clap (993, 7:14 PM) Thomkal (1040, 7:41 pm) henry (1034, 7:44)
Telle: BrianD (881, 2:23 PM)
nfg22: king (949, 3:51 PM)
The Jackal: Saldana (947, 3:44 PM

(652) Danny vote Chief – Chief 1
(754) Clap vote Pass – Chief 1, Pass 1
(775) Pass vote Clap – Chief 1, Pass 1, Clap 1
(781) nfg vote Clap – Clap 2, Chief 1, Pass 1
(867) path vote PB - Clap 2, Chief 1, Pass 1, PB 1
(881) Brian vote Telle - Clap 2, Chief 1, Pass 1, PB 1, Telle 1
(919) autumn vote nfg - Clap 2, Chief 1, Pass 1, PB 1, Telle 1. nfg 1
(923) DT vote Clap - Clap 3, Chief 1, Pass 1, PB 1, Telle 1. nfg 1
(924) EF vote Chief - Clap 3, Chief 2, Pass 1, PB 1, Telle 1. nfg 1
(935) Alan vote Clap - Clap 4, Chief 2, Pass 1, PB 1, Telle 1. nfg 1
(947) saldana vote Jackal - Clap 4, Chief 2, Pass 1, PB 1, Telle 1. nfg 1, Jackal 1
(948) UNVOTE autumn off nfg - Clap 4, Chief 2, Pass 1, PB 1, Telle 1, Jackal 1
(948) autumn vote Clap - Clap 5, Chief 2, Pass 1, PB 1, Telle 1, Jackal 1>>
(949) king vote nfg - Clap 5, Chief 2, Pass 1, PB 1, Telle 1, Jackal 1, nfg 1
(951) telle vote Chief - Clap 5, Chief 3, Pass 1, PB 1, Telle 1, Jackal 1, nfg 1
(956) Schmidty vote PB - Clap 5, Chief 3, PB 2, Pass 1, Telle 1, Jackal 1, nfg 1
(960) Jackal vote PB - Clap 5, Chief 3, PB 3, Pass 1, Telle 1, Jackal 1, nfg 1
(966) UNVOTE Danny off Chief - Clap 5, PB 3, Chief 2, Pass 1, Telle 1, Jackal 1, nfg 1
(966) Danny vote PB - Clap 5, PB 4, Chief 2, Pass 1, Telle 1, Jackal 1, nfg 1
(967) PB vote Clap - Clap 6, PB 4, Chief 2, Pass 1, Telle 1, Jackal 1, nfg 1
(969) Chief vote Clap - Clap 7, PB 4, Chief 2, Pass 1, Telle 1, Jackal 1, nfg 1
(991) ntn vote PB - Clap 7, PB 5, Chief 2, Pass 1, Telle 1, Jackal 1, nfg 1
(993) UNVOTE Clap off Pass - Clap 7, PB 5, Chief 2, Telle 1, Jackal 1, nfg 1
(993) Clap vote PB - Clap 7, PB 6, Chief 2, Telle 1, Jackal 1, nfg 1
(1004) UNVOTE Pass off Clap - Clap 6, PB 6, Chief 2, Telle 1, Jackal 1, nfg 1
(1030) Thomkal vote PB - PB 7, Clap 6, Chief 2, Telle 1, Jackal 1, nfg 1
(1034) henry vote PB - PB 8, Clap 6, Chief 2, Telle 1, Jackal 1, nfg 1
(1040) UNVOTE EF off Chief - PB 8, Clap 6, Chief 1, Telle 1, Jackal 1, nfg 1
(1040) EF vote Clap - PB 8, Clap 7, Chief 1, Telle 1, Jackal 1, nfg 1
(1046) Pass vote Clap - PB 8, Clap 8, Chief 1, Telle 1, Jackal 1, nfg>>

Danny · 07-09-2009, 01:57 PM

I actually have a good bit of trust that the info I got from PB is the truth. I also think the lack of day 2 movement reinforces that it's a unlikely a wolf was involved in the vote.

Because of this, the wolves likely wanted their votes spread out and to establish the candidates. I think those who votes early on both days as well as those who shied away from the main two candidates (to spread things out) are an excellent group to vote from. Those who stand out to me are the following.

NFG- first vote on Kwhit day 1, first vote on Claphamsa day 2

Saldana- throw away vote both days

King, not too early, but had the 4th vote on NTN and then a throw away vote on day 2.

Telle- Was the first to jump onto Kwhit after DT led the charge and had a throwaway vote yesterday

Jackal- Second vote on NTN day 1 and third vote on PB day 2. Also was the first player to unvote PB.

Right now, I'd say my vote is going towards NFG or Jackal

A couple other notes, we has an extremely low number of unvotes yesterday. One is from Clap, so there are only three unvotes there. Pass, myself and EF. I tend to trust EF and Pass more because of this. I'm guessing all the wolves left there vote where it was that day.

Danny · 07-09-2009, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

Jackal- Second vote on NTN day 1 and third vote on PB day 2. Also was the first player to unvote PB.

That should read first player to unvote PB on day 1

Danny · 07-09-2009, 02:02 PM

Here is an interesting display of actions on day 1. At this point NTN is is about two votes ahead of PB

Kwhit 1 – ntn (475)
UNVOTE ntn 6 – nfg22 (482)
Kwhit 2 – nfg22 (482)

Danny · 07-09-2009, 02:05 PM

At that point NTN ended up unvoting Kwhit and voting for PB in a self defense type vote. Then later Chief followed on Kwhit before a big run started. I am leaning towards and NFG vote right now.

Danny · 07-09-2009, 02:05 PM

Day 2 NFG was actually the second person to vote as well before Pass later unvoted. That was too quick follow votes on villagers

07-09-2009, 11:57 AM	#1355
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	EF is miffed that I'm leaning towards voting him. It's the simple fact of the matter that he claims abilities that cannot be publicly verified to this date, and it's also being kept as "mysterious" and keeping him silent. Seems like pretty good wolf-cover, no? __________________ Get bent whoever hacked my pw and changed my signature.

07-09-2009, 12:24 PM	#1368
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	okay - i am heading out here in a second. will check in from my phone every hour or so provided that i can. will also be voting from my phone. __________________ Get bent whoever hacked my pw and changed my signature.

07-09-2009, 12:43 PM	#1377
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Just a note on the PMs, as this has been confusing for a couple of people. The rule is 4 PMs per 24 hours, not 4 PMs per day. This can be good/bad for the player, depending on the context. The 24 hours is a rolling period of time - it is not static. Example: 7/7 8:00 AM 7/7 10:00 AM 7/7 9:00 PM 7/8 7:55 AM At that point the player would not have 3 PMs available for 7/8. Instead would be out of PM's until 8:00 AM, at which point they could send a PM. Another PM would become available at 10:00 AM. Please let me know if this is unclear. BK and I have sent a couple of PMs to people when they are tapped out on PMs and it was pretty clear to us that the 4-per-24 concept was not universally understood. If you already understood this, great. For those people who have not been sending any PMs, don't worry about this too much Last edited by hoopsguy : 07-09-2009 at 12:44 PM. Reason: hopefully clarifying the example further ...

07-09-2009, 01:02 PM	#1379
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	I'm going to wait until we get more information on EF, but I realize I still have a vote for Autumn on the books. I think I've seen enough from Autumn and DT to release that at this point. Unvote Autumn __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

07-09-2009, 12:09 PM	#1361
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	I say that realizing that I have lied about not being able to post in the past. But I had a good reason then -- I'm not sure what his reason would be now.

07-09-2009, 12:15 PM	#1365
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	Weird, that's suspect. I'm now wary of jumping on the "suspicious behavior with DT" bandwagon but I'm certainly ready to switch my vote today if necessary.

07-09-2009, 12:23 PM	#1367
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	EF is generally not one to be quiet when he is a wolf. I'm mixed on that. He obviously has an ability here since it was demonstrated day 1, but there's no telling whether the ability is for good or evil.

07-09-2009, 12:25 PM	#1369
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	So how long can't he post for?

07-09-2009, 12:29 PM	#1373
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	EagleFan -- how long can't you post for?

07-09-2009, 12:57 PM	#1378
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	I'm going to stick with my NFG vote right now. It seems to me we have enough suspects we should be able to have a pretty good showdown today. Let's see some votes.

07-09-2009, 01:03 PM	#1380
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	Just catching up on lots. I haven't done anything worthy of trust yet, the biggest thing I've done is simply not die to this point and vote incorrectly twice in self-defense situations. I know all votes need to be analyzed but if you look at mine, they are blatant self-defense. Had I not moved and still managed not to get killed, then you would lynch me for the same thing. Honestly, I'm just trying to stay alive (cue John Travolta). unvote Autumn And I'll read back and look for who the best candidate is.

07-09-2009, 01:08 PM	#1382
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	Right now, I think only nfg and I have votes. Obviously, I'll likely end up throwing a vote there out of self-defense eventually. The case on me thus far: Not sure what drove the initial run on day 1 but lived through lynches on both day 1 and 2 AND cast votes for villagers on day 1 and day 2. What is the case on nfg at this point?

07-09-2009, 01:09 PM	#1383
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	PB, right now you are on top of my possible vote list because your death tell us a lot. If there was another way we could learn your allegiance without you dying that would be good too. I know DT mentioned you had a slow developing role which helped you stay alive. It might help us if we knew what this was. I know it would help the wolves to possibly kill you, but to be honest, if the wolves kill you, it helps the village quite a bit, by allowing us a much better analysis of day 1 and 2 votes.

07-09-2009, 01:11 PM	#1384
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Keep in mind PB, use your own judgment here on whether a reveal would be bad or good, I'm not going to press you for it, but sometimes villagers can be a little too slow to reveal. And I realize I may get some suspicion for questioning about PB's role, but it is very helpful if we learn his allegiance one or the other.

07-09-2009, 01:14 PM	#1385
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Oh and regarding voting, I will not be voting EagleFan today. He clearly has the ability to go underground (we don't know if it's for good or bad though) and I want to see the result of this tonight when he gets back in thread before evaluating him. I am suspicious of anyone who would push for his vote during this time. If you don't trust him, there will be plenty of chances to go that way after today.

07-09-2009, 01:15 PM	#1386
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	Danny, I don't doubt the information that would be gained from my death. I've learned a lot since the first time I was in this situation (several games ago) and the two since (please note, I was/am a villager to all intents and purposes in all three cases). I will say this about my role, I am not as valuable as Claphamsa right now and will need to prove my worth. And you do get info from lynching me but I've told two people via PM that I would look at those that bailed off of me during the run on KWhit. I'm in no position to really drive a lynch on anyone but if I were not having to vote out of self-defense, my vote would likely be in there somewhere.

07-09-2009, 01:19 PM	#1387
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	PB, do you have PM's left?

07-09-2009, 01:21 PM	#1388
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	Danny, I have on PM right now and then three more that open up this evening, so yes.

07-09-2009, 01:21 PM	#1389
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	on=one

07-09-2009, 01:31 PM	#1390
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	To the @ 1:25 that I didn't get to answer, I will do so fully when my next PM is available at 4:43 or some such time. The answer to you is definitely maybe and I will lay it out for you then.

07-09-2009, 01:33 PM	#1391
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	I hate Oasis.

07-09-2009, 01:37 PM	#1393
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Thanks PB, I am going to do some vote analysis with the assumption that PB is not a wolf and see what might be a good vote at that time. I am not saying PB is not a wolf, but I want to see what can be made of the votes if he is not

07-09-2009, 01:43 PM	#1394
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Day 1 Final vote count: The Jackal: clap (453, 1:55 pm) BrianD: Pass (330, 8:23) NTN: JAG (332, 8:31) Jackal (374, 10:26 AM) KWhit (390, 10:45 AM) king (425, 12:26 PM) thomkal (441, 1:42 pm) Tyrith (514, 3:44 PM) Schmidty (537, 5:48) PurdueBrad: Eagle (334, 8:59 AM) saldana (501, 3:22 PM) path (546, 6:03) ntn (560, 6:14) KWhit: nfg (482, 2:39 PM) CR (565, 6:44) Brian (579, 7:22) Autumn (581, 7:27) DT (595, 7:39) Telle (598, 7:42) ISiddiqui (599 7:44) Alan (600 7:44) PB (602, 7:44) DAY 1 FINAL Eaglefan 1 – BrianD (292) Path 1 – nfg22 (305) Jackal 1 – PB (328) BrianD 1 – Pass (330) Ntn 1 – Jag (332) PB 1 – Eaglefan (334) Jackal 2 – Saldana (343) Path 2 – Tyrith (347) UNVOTE Eaglefan 0 – BrianD (358) Ntn 2 – Path (360) PB 2 – Jackal (366) Jackal 3 – Brian D (370) Ntn 3 – Daddy Torgo (371) UNVOTE PB 1 – Jackal (374) Ntn 4 – Jackal (374) UNVOTE Path 1 – Tyrith (388) Jackal 4 – Tyrith (388) Ntn 5 – Alan (389) Ntn 6 – Kwhit (390) Jackal 5 – Telle (391) UNVOTE Jackal 4 – Telle (411) PB 2 – Telle (411) Ntn 7 – Kingfc (425) Jackal 5 – Ntn (431) UNVOTE path 0 – nfg22 (439) Ntn 8 – nfg22 (439) Ntn 9 – Thomkal (441) UNVOTE Jackal 4 – BrianD (443) PB 3 – BrianD (443) Jackal 5 – claphamsa (453) PB 4 – Autumn (459) UNVOTE ntn 8 – Daddy Torgo (463) PB 5 – Isiddiqui (471) UNVOTE ntn 7 – Alan (474) UNVOTE Jackal 4 – ntn (475) Kwhit 1 – ntn (475) UNVOTE ntn 6 – nfg22 (482) Kwhit 2 – nfg22 (482) UNVOTE ntn 5 – path (496) UNVOTE Jackal 3 – saldana (501) PB 6 – saldana (501) UNVOTE Jackal 2 – PB (511) UNVOTE Jackal 1 – Tyrith (514) Ntn 6 – Tyrith (514) Ntn 7 – PB (517) Ntn 8 – Schmidty (537) PB 7 – path (546) UNVOTE KWhit 1 – ntn (560) PB 8 – ntn (560) KWhit 2 – Chief (565) UNVOTE PB 7 – BrianD (579) KWhit 3 – BrianD (579) UNVOTE PB 6 – autumn (581) KWhit 4 – autumn (581) KWhit 5 – Daddy Torgo (596) UNVOTE PB 5 – Telle (598) KWhit 6 – Telle (598) UNVOTE PB 4 - ISiddiqui (599) KWhit 7 – Isiddiqui (599) KWhit 8 – Alan (600) UNVOTE ntn 7 – PB (602) KWhit 9 – PB (602)

07-09-2009, 01:57 PM	#1396
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	I actually have a good bit of trust that the info I got from PB is the truth. I also think the lack of day 2 movement reinforces that it's a unlikely a wolf was involved in the vote. Because of this, the wolves likely wanted their votes spread out and to establish the candidates. I think those who votes early on both days as well as those who shied away from the main two candidates (to spread things out) are an excellent group to vote from. Those who stand out to me are the following. NFG- first vote on Kwhit day 1, first vote on Claphamsa day 2 Saldana- throw away vote both days King, not too early, but had the 4th vote on NTN and then a throw away vote on day 2. Telle- Was the first to jump onto Kwhit after DT led the charge and had a throwaway vote yesterday Jackal- Second vote on NTN day 1 and third vote on PB day 2. Also was the first player to unvote PB. Right now, I'd say my vote is going towards NFG or Jackal A couple other notes, we has an extremely low number of unvotes yesterday. One is from Clap, so there are only three unvotes there. Pass, myself and EF. I tend to trust EF and Pass more because of this. I'm guessing all the wolves left there vote where it was that day.

07-09-2009, 02:02 PM	#1398
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Here is an interesting display of actions on day 1. At this point NTN is is about two votes ahead of PB Kwhit 1 – ntn (475) UNVOTE ntn 6 – nfg22 (482) Kwhit 2 – nfg22 (482)

07-09-2009, 02:05 PM	#1399
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	At that point NTN ended up unvoting Kwhit and voting for PB in a self defense type vote. Then later Chief followed on Kwhit before a big run started. I am leaning towards and NFG vote right now.

07-09-2009, 02:05 PM	#1400
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Day 2 NFG was actually the second person to vote as well before Pass later unvoted. That was too quick follow votes on villagers

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