NFL 2019 Season Thread

[SirFozzie]

Originally Posted by miami_fan

Wait fans specifically Patriots fans are trusting the NFL to do a proper investigation?

I was a bit more snarky when I talked about it elsewhere..

So, despite the best efforts of the league office to find evidence that the Patriots Football operations were "generally aware" of the Kraft Sports cameraman and his perfidious taping of B-Roll footage for a barely watched web short (or, if you believe otherwise, the latest cheating scandal from the most cheatingist organization EVAR).

Despite getting phones etcetera, they are frustrated... Frustrated that this is turning out to be a just-about-nothingburger (bad optics, yes, nothing more), and the Pats will likely suffer a minimal penalty without such a link.

But the fact that multiple league sources have told Florio "there's no there, there." (can I use the word there any more times?) bodes well. As I said, it's bad/horrendous optics, but without that link, anyone who thinks the Pats deliberately cheated to tape 8 minutes of a 1-11 team to a video display that EVERYONE can see, is predisposed to believe the worst of the Patriots.

[QuikSand]

Marshawn looking likely to jump back in it with the Seahawks and I am here for it

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

I was a bit more snarky when I talked about it elsewhere..

So, despite the best efforts of the league office to find evidence that the Patriots Football operations were "generally aware" of the Kraft Sports cameraman and his perfidious taping of B-Roll footage for a barely watched web short (or, if you believe otherwise, the latest cheating scandal from the most cheatingist organization EVAR).

Despite getting phones etcetera, they are frustrated... Frustrated that this is turning out to be a just-about-nothingburger (bad optics, yes, nothing more), and the Pats will likely suffer a minimal penalty without such a link.

But the fact that multiple league sources have told Florio "there's no there, there." (can I use the word there any more times?) bodes well. As I said, it's bad/horrendous optics, but without that link, anyone who thinks the Pats deliberately cheated to tape 8 minutes of a 1-11 team to a video display that EVERYONE can see, is predisposed to believe the worst of the Patriots.

I can't imagine why anyone would doubt the Patriot's integrity.

Patriots receiver Julian Edelman admits to faking head injury vs. Bills

[cuervo72]

"Kraft Sports."

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by cuervo72

"Kraft Sports."

Pretty cheesy name.

[Vince, Pt. II]

Originally Posted by QuikSand

Marshawn looking likely to jump back in it with the Seahawks and I am here for it

As much as I hate the Seahawks, I am also all for this move.

[jbergey22]

Patriots losing at home to the Dolphins costing them a 1st round bye.

[NobodyHere]

Fitzmagick!

[SirFozzie]

hey, you don't beat the Miami Dolphins at home, you don't deserve a first round bye.

[NobodyHere]

What a surprise. The Lions blow a 14 point lead.

[Arles]

Packers played like crap - but got the win. I've been a big Rodgers defender this year - but he was pretty bad most of the game. Missed wide open guys and overthrew numerous receivers. He underthrew the late pick to Kumerow that could have cost them the game without the D bailing him out.

I think all this criticism about him not going deep and having an off year made him force a bunch of stuff and get off rhythm. Now that the regular season numbers are done, hopefully he can go back to the controlled passing game that won games all year. We can't be doing the 40-yard bomb to Adams in double coverage on 3rd and 1 with the back wide open in the flat come playoff time.

[Thomkal]

Not too impressed with playoff teams with something to play for this week so far. Should be lots of incentive for lower seeds in the playoffs.

[Arles]

Outside of the Ravens and maybe the 49ers - I think the whole landscape is wide open.

[albionmoonlight]

Originally Posted by Arles

Packers played like crap - but got the win. I've been a big Rodgers defender this year - but he was pretty bad most of the game. Missed wide open guys and overthrew numerous receivers. He underthrew the late pick to Kumerow that could have cost them the game without the D bailing him out.

I think all this criticism about him not going deep and having an off year made him force a bunch of stuff and get off rhythm. Now that the regular season numbers are done, hopefully he can go back to the controlled passing game that won games all year. We can't be doing the 40-yard bomb to Adams in double coverage on 3rd and 1 with the back wide open in the flat come playoff time.

Rodgers' body language was weird for most of that game. He was flinging balls around and honestly looked like he didn't care. Like the team didn't invite him to go see Rise of Skywalker or something, so he just figured "screw you guys."

[NobodyHere]

Freddie Kitchens is out.

Let's see which poor schlub the Browns hire next.

[ISiddiqui]

I haven't kept up much with NFL this year, but I don't know if I can wrap my head around a QB throwing for 5,000 yards, 30 TDs, AND 30 INTs. Wow.

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[bhlloy]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

Freddie Kitchens is out.

Let's see which poor schlub the Browns hire next.

I dunno - Kitchens must be the most under qualified and out of his depth coach in NFL history right? There’s enough talent on that team to make the playoffs with a semi competent coach, Browns or not.

[Groundhog]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

I haven't kept up much with NFL this year, but I don't know if I can wrap my head around a QB throwing for 5,000 yards, 30 TDs, AND 30 INTs. Wow.

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Looks like my numbers in Madden with any QB I play with over a season.

[panerd]

Originally Posted by bhlloy

I dunno - Kitchens must be the most under qualified and out of his depth coach in NFL history right? There’s enough talent on that team to make the playoffs with a semi competent coach, Browns or not.

Why does everyone seem to agree that the talent is really any good?

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by panerd

Why does everyone seem to agree that the talent is really any good?

People think Mayfield is good. Even though he is not.

Chubb is a nice back. If they had featured him more instead of overrated QB and WRs they might have had a shot this year.

[JPhillips]

A lot of fun in the AFC point differentials:

Houston wins the division with a negative differential(-7).

The Chargers are 5-11 with only a -8 differential.

Only five teams have a positive differential.

Three of the top four differentials in the league are in the AFC.

[albionmoonlight]

Hell of a job by Freddie Kitchens. Gets fired in the evening and still has time to consult with the Seahawks about their 4th quarter clock management.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by panerd

Why does everyone seem to agree that the talent is really any good?

A good Oline, 2 elite running backs, an elite receiver, a great possession receiver, and a QB coming off an outstanding rookie year. Combine that with a defense that should be at least average and you should be a playoff team.

Hindsight tells us that Mayfield can be exposed if you can get him to backpedal to his right, but Mayfield's play alone doesn't explain the disaster that occurred in Cleveland this year.

[jbergey22]

Seattle on the road at Philly could be tough, however the Eagles are just so banged up on offense. I think Seattle wins a tight one

New Orleans will be extra motivated for this game even more than the normal playoff game IMO. Revenge for the Minnesota miracle and revenge for the awful call on the loss to the Rams in last years playoffs. I really think the Vikings lose by 17-28 points.

I like the Patriots to handle the Titans pretty convincingly as Beli should have the teams complete focus after the embarrassment today.

The Bills/Texans should be another close game. Id probably lean the Bills because of the poor Texans defense.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by bhlloy

I dunno - Kitchens must be the most under qualified and out of his depth coach in NFL history right? There’s enough talent on that team to make the playoffs with a semi competent coach, Browns or not.

Somebody who pays more attention than me would be able to answer this better but ... are the Browns considered to be significantly more talented overall than the Falcons?

[Atocep]

One interesting thing with the Browns is Depodesta was 100% against the Kitchens hire and the name he pushed forward last offseason was Kevin Stefanski.

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Somebody who pays more attention than me would be able to answer this better but ... are the Browns considered to be significantly more talented overall than the Falcons?

The Falcons have been so banged up over the past two years especially on defense. I think a healthy defense with a better coach and Atlanta is in the picture. Matt Ryan is fully capable of pulling out close wins. By the end of the year when they became more healthy the Falcons played more like what they are capable of.

Cleveland just doesnt mix. They have a couple of very good and maybe excellent wrs but a QB that doesnt have a clue of how to read a defense and find them. Chubb is probably their best player but they feel the need to pass because maybe they think they are suppose to??? Defense has some talent but also a lot of holes.

[stevew]

chubbs losing the rushing title was kinda funny.

[Vince, Pt. II]

Originally Posted by jbergey22

Seattle on the road at Philly could be tough, however the Eagles are just so banged up on offense. I think Seattle wins a tight one

New Orleans will be extra motivated for this game even more than the normal playoff game IMO. Revenge for the Minnesota miracle and revenge for the awful call on the loss to the Rams in last years playoffs. I really think the Vikings lose by 17-28 points.

I like the Patriots to handle the Titans pretty convincingly as Beli should have the teams complete focus after the embarrassment today.

The Bills/Texans should be another close game. Id probably lean the Bills because of the poor Texans defense.

I have a hard time seeing the Eagles do anything against the Seahawks, even at home.

I'm absolutely with you on New Orleans.

The Patriots I'm not as sold on...they've been pretty mediocre lately, and while I hate to count out Belichek and co. at any time, the Titans have shown flashes. I think the Pats win a close one.

The Texans are so hard to get a handle on...their ceiling is so high, but their floor is so low. And I like the Bills, but I don't know how much of that is because one of my best buddies is a Bills fan and I want to see them do well. I think I'm with you on the Bills in a close one.

[Edward64]

Draft order so far. Falcons have #16.

2020 NFL draft order - First-round picks from 1-32, date and location

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by jbergey22

People think Mayfield is good. Even though he is not.

Chubb is a nice back. If they had featured him more instead of overrated QB and WRs they might have had a shot this year.

Chubb was leading the league in rushing until yesterday and third in attempts, he is very good. Not sure how much more they could have featured him. They also had Hunt for half the year who is a prior all pro. They have 2 all pro caliber receivers, one all world. 2 all pro caliber DEs and a number of other high picks on defense.

You put a coach like Harbaugh, Peyton, Shannahan, Carroll, or several others on that team and they make the playoffs.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by jbergey22

Seattle on the road at Philly could be tough, however the Eagles are just so banged up on offense. I think Seattle wins a tight one

New Orleans will be extra motivated for this game even more than the normal playoff game IMO. Revenge for the Minnesota miracle and revenge for the awful call on the loss to the Rams in last years playoffs. I really think the Vikings lose by 17-28 points.

I like the Patriots to handle the Titans pretty convincingly as Beli should have the teams complete focus after the embarrassment today.

The Bills/Texans should be another close game. Id probably lean the Bills because of the poor Texans defense.

Opposite side on a lot of these so you should probably bet it all on your leans.

I agree on Seattle, I don't see Philly winning with all the injuries.

To suggest any NFL team win a playoff game by 17-28 is insane. I would be inclined to take the +8 on the Vikings. Their defense and running game should keep it close and they are getting a bit healthier. For reference you can bet the Saints to win by 16-20 points at +540, 21-25 at +750, or 26-30 points at +1200. I fully believe the Saints win, but it will be close.

The Pats are broken. Do I trust B and B to win at home in the playoffs, yes, am I sold on it, no. Titans are much better with Tannehill and Brady has been average this year. I think we all expect the Pats we are accustomed to seeing that can switch it on when they need to but I'm not sure they can anymore. IF the Titans can control the clock with Henry they can keep it close. BB is the best ever at taking away what the other team does well, so Tannehill will need to make some plays with his legs, but if he can and they grind with Henry they have a shot. Plus don't discount Vrabels familiarity with the PAts organization.

For me the Bills game comes down to me trusting Watson at home a lot more than Allen on the road. What you say is true about the Texans D, but Allen isn't the guy to take advantage. His accuracy is terrible he will miss wide open guys by 10 yards. Bills need to grind it out and win a low scoring game. I Trust Watson at home to make enough plays for them to win. Bills are also a bit overrated. They beat the JEts, Giants, Bengals, Dolphins twice, Titans prior to Tannehill taking over, Redskins, Broncos, Cowboys, Steelers. Not exactly a murderers row. At Dallas easily the best win and they weren't even a playoff team. Only win against a playoff teat was the Titans and now I would give the Titans the edge over them.

[Lathum]

Packers were 2-0 vs the Lions this year without ever leading in a game

[albionmoonlight]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

Just so I can record my wrongness:

AFC EAST: Pats
AFC NORTH: Ravens
AFC SOUTH: Colts
AFC WEST: Chiefs

AFC WILD CARDS: Jets, Texans

NFC SOUTH: Panthers
NFC EAST: Cowboys
NFC WEST: Seahawks
NFC NORTH: Packers

NFC WILD CARDS: Saints, Vikings

SUPER BOWL: Chiefs over Cowboys

FIRST OVERALL PICK: Jaguars (Dolphins were crazy to get Fitzpatrick as QB during a tank season).

Some thoughts:

I was WAY too high on the Cowboys this season. For the first three games, I was right. But badly coached is badly coached. It isn't even that Garrett is horrible. But he has far exceeded his tenure with that team.

I was also too high on the Panthers, but I also didn't know that Cam was going to be hurt.

I got the Rams thing right. I didn't have insight. It really was just a case of some team that did really well last year always falls out. I was also wrong about the Saints inasmuch as I almost put them out of the playoffs in my prediction. I thought that the no-call hangover would be worse than it was.

I was one inch away from being right about the Seahawks winning the division.

The Titans came out of nowhwere for me. And I did briefly consider Bills over Jets for that final wildcard. I bought into the Darnold hype and I forgot to look more closely at the coaches.

I was very high on the Ravens, so that was probably the thing I feel "most right" about.

And, like I said, no team that employs Ryan Fitzpatrick is going to go 0-16 :-)

[miami_fan]

Glad I am not the only one who had questions about Kitchens and the Browns. I don't even know what the comparison is for how badly that team and coach were overrated this year. Especially when there were no major QB injuries to speak of.

[QuikSand]

Draft lineup for 2020... Dolphins' win over NE lifts spirits, but lets the Giants leapfrog them in the order, and potentially costs them a shot at CB Okudah. If they want Tua, they probably still get a shot at him at pick 5... but wow, the risks with that injury, ugh.

Tankathon | 2020 NFL Draft Order

2020 NFL Draft Order
PICK TEAM RECORD WIN% GB SOS STREAK
1
Cincinnati
2-14 .125 -- .553 Won 1
2
Washington
3-13 .188 1.0 .502 Lost 4
3
Detroit
3-12-1 .219 1.5 .506 Lost 9
4
NY Giants
4-12 .250 2.0 .473 Lost 1
5
Miami
5-11 .313 3.0 .484 Won 2
6
LA Chargers
5-11 .313 3.0 .514 Lost 3
7
Carolina
5-11 .313 3.0 .549 Lost 8
8
Arizona
5-10-1 .344 3.5 .529 Lost 1
9
Jacksonville
6-10 .375 4.0 .484 Won 1
10
Cleveland
6-10 .375 4.0 .533 Lost 3
11
NY Jets
7-9 .438 5.0 .473 Won 2
12
Oakland
7-9 .438 5.0 .482 Lost 1
13
Indianapolis
7-9 .438 5.0 .492 Lost 1
14
Tampa Bay
7-9 .438 5.0 .500 Lost 2
15
Denver
7-9 .438 5.0 .510 Won 2
16
Atlanta
7-9 .438 5.0 .545 Won 4
17
Dallas
8-8 .500 6.0 .479 Won 1
18
Pittsburgh
MIA 8-8 .500 6.0 .502 Lost 3
19
Chicago
OAK 8-8 .500 6.0 .508 Won 1
20
LA Rams
JAX 9-7 .563 7.0 .535 Won 1
WILD CARD ROUND LOSERS
21
Philadelphia
9-7 .563 7.0 .455 Won 4
22
Tennessee
9-7 .563 7.0 .488 Won 1
23
Buffalo
10-6 .625 8.0 .461 Lost 2
24
Minnesota
10-6 .625 8.0 .477 Lost 2
DIVISIONAL ROUND LOSERS
25
Houston
MIA 10-6 .625 8.0 .520 Lost 1
26
Seattle
11-5 .688 9.0 .531 Lost 2
27
New England
12-4 .750 10.0 .469 Lost 1
28
Green Bay
13-3 .813 11.0 .453 Won 5
CONFERENCE CHAMPIONSHIP LOSERS
29
Kansas City
12-4 .750 10.0 .510 Won 6
30
New Orleans
13-3 .813 11.0 .486 Won 3
SUPER BOWL TEAMS
31
San Francisco
13-3 .813 11.0 .504 Won 2
32
Baltimore
14-2 .875 12.0 .494 Won 12

[MizzouRah]

Originally Posted by Groundhog

Looks like my numbers in Madden with any QB I play with over a season.

Haha... mine too!


In fact Lock for me right now, 34 TD's, 36 INT's

[albionmoonlight]

Originally Posted by QuikSand

Draft lineup for 2020... Dolphins' win over NE lifts spirits, but lets the Giants leapfrog them in the order, and potentially costs them a shot at CB Okudah. If they want Tua, they probably still get a shot at him at pick 5... but wow, the risks with that injury, ugh.

As the draft process moves on, a QB or two always gets big hype and ends up over-drafted. If the Dolphins are fine taking the best non-QB at five, my guess is they will have really good options.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

As the draft process moves on, a QB or two always gets big hype and ends up over-drafted. If the Dolphins are fine taking the best non-QB at five, my guess is they will have really good options.

This will be Jacob Eason

[PilotMan]

The Steelers trade for Fitzpatrick looks great with the 18 pick.

[JPhillips]

Both the Tunsil and Fitz trades look bad for the Dolphins. They won't get two players of equal abilities with those two picks.

[Coffee Warlord]

Trubisky ends the season with 207 yards and no touchdowns against the Vikings....backups. Your Bears franchise QB, ladies and gentlemen.

[Arles]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

Both the Tunsil and Fitz trades look bad for the Dolphins. They won't get two players of equal abilities with those two picks.

Usually you don't win trades where you don't get the best person. But, you could end up "resetting" your team a bit - which has some opportunity. Look at the Mack trade for Oakland - clearly the Bears got the better player and "won" the trade. But, when you are bad - moving one extremely expensive asset for picks and cap space is probably a smart move. Here's what Oakland got:
1. Didn't pay $141 million ($60 mil guaranteed) for a player that wasn't going to make them a playoff team.
2. RB Josh Jacobs on a 5-year rookie deal (looks promising)
3. #19 pick in 2020

Now, the Raiders didn't exactly do a great job with the initial cap space they got, but in theory it helps a rebuild. If Miami can use the 18th and 25th pick to find starters on good, 5-year deals - they can then take the money they would have spent on Minka/Tunsil and sure up 4-5 other areas. Throw in neither player wanted to play for them and I think you could have Miami on the road to being more relevant than if they just overpaid the two stars to play (unhappily) for them. I do think Chemistry matters in football and if your top guys aren't happy - your team will suffer.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Trubisky ends the season with 207 yards and no touchdowns against the Vikings....backups. Your Bears franchise QB, ladies and gentlemen.

Well, he did have 511 yards and 6 touchdowns in two games against the Lions this season, so there’s hope yet, CW!

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Trubisky ends the season with 207 yards and no touchdowns against the Vikings....backups. Your Bears franchise QB, ladies and gentlemen.

The only positive is it sounded like Nagy was done with him in interviews after the game. Whether nor not Pace is willing to move on is the question.

[sabotai]

Looks like 3 of the 4 NFC East teams will have new head coaches next year. Gruden was fired earlier in the season by Washington, the Giants fired Shurmur early today and it's not looking good for Jason Garret in Dallas.

[JPhillips]

Originally Posted by Arles

Usually you don't win trades where you don't get the best person. But, you could end up "resetting" your team a bit - which has some opportunity. Look at the Mack trade for Oakland - clearly the Bears got the better player and "won" the trade. But, when you are bad - moving one extremely expensive asset for picks and cap space is probably a smart move. Here's what Oakland got:
1. Didn't pay $141 million ($60 mil guaranteed) for a player that wasn't going to make them a playoff team.
2. RB Josh Jacobs on a 5-year rookie deal (looks promising)
3. #19 pick in 2020

Now, the Raiders didn't exactly do a great job with the initial cap space they got, but in theory it helps a rebuild. If Miami can use the 18th and 25th pick to find starters on good, 5-year deals - they can then take the money they would have spent on Minka/Tunsil and sure up 4-5 other areas. Throw in neither player wanted to play for them and I think you could have Miami on the road to being more relevant than if they just overpaid the two stars to play (unhappily) for them. I do think Chemistry matters in football and if your top guys aren't happy - your team will suffer.

The Tunsil deal is better, but the Fitz trade was terrible. He still has two years left on his rookie contract. Maybe if they actually tanked it would have been worth it, but they'll get the second or third QB, and they would be in better shape moving forward with two more Pro Bowlers.

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by Lathum

To suggest any NFL team win a playoff game by 17-28 is insane. I would be inclined to take the +8 on the Vikings. Their defense and running game should keep it close and they are getting a bit healthier. For reference you can bet the Saints to win by 16-20 points at +540, 21-25 at +750, or 26-30 points at +1200. I fully believe the Saints win, but it will be close.

Plenty of playoff games end up with a margin of 2 or more touchdowns. Saints have plenty of motivation on their side to lay a beating. Are the Vikings 17-28 points worse than the Saints in a normal game, no.

Vikings have injured linebackers, Cook is nursing a few different injuries and the Saints are sick of hearing about the Minnesota miracle. As much as Id love to be wrong(and I am a lot when it comes to the Vikings) I believe this will be an ass kicking.

[NobodyHere]

I had low expectations for the Browns to choose the right head coach, yet somehow the Browns have sunk even lower.

Patriots’ Josh McDaniels Accepts Offer From Browns - Game 7

[Carman Bulldog]

Originally Posted by QuikSand

Draft lineup for 2020... Dolphins' win over NE lifts spirits, but lets the Giants leapfrog them in the order, and potentially costs them a shot at CB Okudah. If they want Tua, they probably still get a shot at him at pick 5... but wow, the risks with that injury, ugh.

I'm pretty sure the Dolphins win had no bearing on their pick. If I'm not mistaken, tiebreaker goes to the team with the worse strength of schedule. A loss would have made their SOS even stronger (.488). Either way, they had the tougher schedule than the Giants meaning they were locked in at that #5 pick.