The Trump Presidency – 2016

[Drake]

Damn, man. If Critch catches you leaving Proclaimers references right out in the open where anyone can trip over them, he's going to gut you, turn you inside out, and make a haggis out of you.

[Drake]

For the record, I've never understood Critch's animus against the Proclaimers. You'd think he'd be proud of the only popular entertainment product to come out of Scotland in the last 1000 years besides Mel Gibson.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by jeff061

If only Trump and the Republicans had enough people in place to outvote the Dems for all the brilliant plans they no doubt have for every pressing and non-pressing issue. Things will change after this elections! Down with Mexicans!!!!

Think you are missing the Hondurans, Guatemalans and Salvadorans.

TBF, don't remember Obama doing too much either.

[RainMaker]

Obama didn't campaign on it. And he didn't endlessly complain about it and act like there is nothing he can do to stop it.

They can pass what they want. Had no problem getting that tax for the rich and corporations through. Should be able to muster up the same energy to something that is supposedly important to his voters.

Fact is that they don't want to seal up the borders. Big business would be hurt and they call the shots in this country. It's now just used to stir up racial division and scare old people into voting for them. Then they'll continue to do nothing and bring up the same scare tactics in 2 years.

[JPhillips]

Originally Posted by Edward64

It would be good if we came up with a holistic immigration reform plan.

We've had that a few times going back to Bush2, but the far right doesn't want an immigration compromise, so it doesn't happen. Right now there's a majority for something similar to what Bush wanted, but the far right will throw a fit if it's considered and make sure it never reaches the floor of the House or Senate.

[Thomkal]

So not only were explosive devices found at Democratic donor George Soros house yesterday, but also in the Clintons and Obama's mail:


https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/24/n...tons-mail.html

[bronconick]

But remember, shouting at people in restaurants is the height of incivility.

[PilotMan]

god what I wouldn't give for the pee tape right now. It's like a dream that you remember, but is just out of reach from being able to repeat.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by PilotMan

god what I wouldn't give for the pee tape right now. It's like a dream that you remember, but is just out of reach from being able to repeat.

I'll be happy with a deeper dive into his financial history.

What's the deal with that and lack of MSM reporting? Is it wait till after the mid-terms or after Mueller's findings?

[Lathum]

I really want to avoid jumping on the bandwagon of bashing the right for this, because there are radicals on both sides. That being said it’s hard to not believe Trumps rhetoric didn’t embolden whomever did this. Not that it matters to his base. They will just buy in to the conspiracy that this was a set up to help the blue wave before the election.

[JPhillips]

Where do we have tariffs? We don't have tariffs anywhere.

Man, there is nothing Trump won't lie about.

[JPhillips]

The cops just closed down access to the entire block where CNN is located.

Lots of stuff going on this morning.

[Lathum]

These are horrific times we live in.

It blows my mind there are smart people who refuse to connect the dots that this divide began when Trump took over.

[molson]

These dummies think Obama, Clinton, and Soros just get all excited when a package comes and open it themselves.

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by Lathum

These are horrific times we live in.

It blows my mind there are smart people who refuse to connect the dots that this divide began when Trump took over.

This divide predates Trump. Do you think we were all living in harmony before then?

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

This divide predates Trump. Do you think we were all living in harmony before then?

I agree with you but Trump has taken it up 2+ notches.

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by molson

These dummies think Obama, Clinton, and Soros just get all excited when a package comes and open it themselves.

This confuses me as well. If the bomber did any sort of research s/he would know that packages sent to former presidents get screened. I thought this was common knowledge.

Now CNN is being evacuated. I was watching it at the time and they had the fire alarm go off while they were interviewing someone about the packages sent to Obama and Clinton. Initially the interviewer was dismissive of the alarm.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

This divide predates Trump. Do you think we were all living in harmony before then?

Did you just move to the country two years ago? Of course there has always been a divide, but if you dont notice a difference in the last two years not sure what to tell you. Perhaps my post should have been more clear.

[ISiddiqui]

CNN in NYC got a suspicious package as well.

[CraigSca]

One sent to the White House as well...

(never mind - now CNN is reporting that there wasn't)

[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Did you just move to the country two years ago? Of course there has always been a divide, but if you dont notice a difference in the last two years not sure what to tell you. Perhaps my post should have been more clear.

Exactly. It's been ramped up to multiple times what it was before. The hatred for journalists, for one, has never been this bad in my lifetime.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Exactly. It's been ramped up to multiple times what it was before. The hatred for journalists, for one, has never been this bad in my lifetime.

Because we have never had a president who outright violates the first amendment the way trump does.

[NobodyHere]

CBS is saying that a package may have been mailed to former DNC chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz

[digamma]

Originally Posted by Edward64

I'll be happy with a deeper dive into his financial history.

What's the deal with that and lack of MSM reporting? Is it wait till after the mid-terms or after Mueller's findings?

If only there had been a massive special edition of a major city newspaper published in the last month on the Trump family financial history. Oh wait.

[NobodyHere]

I wonder if these attacks will galvanize democrats to get the vote out next month.

[bronconick]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

CBS is saying that a package may have been mailed to former DNC chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz

That or it was returned to that office since that was the address listed on the mailings to Obama and Clinton

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Because we have never had a president who outright violates the first amendment the way trump does.

Assume you are referring to Freedom of Speech/Press?

Because of him parroting "Fake News" and his attacks on MSM (excluding Fox) all the time? TBH, I don't see it rising to level of violating.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

I wonder if these attacks will galvanize democrats to get the vote out next month.

If the Dems weren't already galvanized to vote next month, this probably wouldn't add much.

FWIW, I've decide to vote Dem all the way down this year. Don't think it'll make much of a difference in GA though. It's really nothing to do with policies etc., its got everything to do with Trump the person.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Edward64

Assume you are referring to Freedom of Speech/Press?

Because of him parroting "Fake News" and his attacks on MSM (excluding Fox) all the time? TBH, I don't see it rising to level of violating.

How about him saying nfl teams should cut anyone who protests the anthem? You don’t think that violates the first amendment?

[NobodyHere]

San Diego Union-Tribune staff, others evacuate after suspicious package spotted - The San Diego Union-Tribune

Apparently they share the same office building as Kamala Harris

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Edward64

If the Dems weren't already galvanized to vote next month, this probably wouldn't add much.

FWIW, I've decide to vote Dem all the way down this year. Don't think it'll make much of a difference in GA though. It's really nothing to do with policies etc., its got everything to do with Trump the person.

I don’t think it matters anywhere. The silent majority is real and will be out November 6th.

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by bronconick

That or it was returned to that office since that was the address listed on the mailings to Obama and Clinton

I think I just heard that only the George Soros package had a DWS return address.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by Lathum

How about him saying nfl teams should cut anyone who protests the anthem? You don’t think that violates the first amendment?

Probably, not sure how any court would rule on it (e.g. does Trump constant BS, lies, exaggerations, bravado etc. come into play?). In a big scheme of things, that incident is relatively small.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Edward64

Probably, not sure how any court would rule on it (e.g. does Trump constant BS, lies, exaggerations, bravado etc. come into play?). In a big scheme of things, that incident is relatively small.

Got it.

Only a small violation of the first amendment so let’s forget it. It’s not like there is a pattern of him suggesting violence against the media or protesters. 🙄

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by Lathum

How about him saying nfl teams should cut anyone who protests the anthem? You don’t think that violates the first amendment?

Unless Trump is threatening to use the government to punish teams that don't cut kneelers (or target the kneelers themselves), it doesn't violate the first amendment.

[molson]

Originally Posted by Lathum

How about him saying nfl teams should cut anyone who protests the anthem? You don’t think that violates the first amendment?

Ordering that or threatening government sanctions of some kind would, stating his opinion about what NFL teams should do wouldn't.

[Ben E Lou]

We're pretty close to Trump defenders just saying out loud, "Look, you can't hold him accountable for the stuff he says. He's too ignorant to know what he's saying."

[Ben E Lou]

Dola: (I've *almost* gotten one of my can't-stand-trump-but-voted-for-him-because-supreme-court buddies to say it. Working on him. )

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

Unless Trump is threatening to use the government to punish teams that don't cut kneelers (or target the kneelers themselves), it doesn't violate the first amendment.

I understand the first amendment but if you don’t think he goes the line we can agree to disagree.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Only a small violation of the first amendment so let’s forget it. It’s not like there is a pattern of him suggesting violence against the media or protesters. ��

That is a better example than the NFL protests. I can see that.

This brings up the question, is how Obama treated Wiki leaks a violation (or a threat to) also?

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Edward64

That is a better example than the NFL protests. I can see that.

It’s all a pattern and goes back to my original point of never having a president who acts this way.

[NobodyHere]

New York governor Cuomo is saying that a suspicious package was sent to his office.

[AENeuman]

Coincidentally I am prepping a lecture on the Palmer Raids:


At the end of April, some 30 Galleanist letter bombs had been mailed to a host of individuals, mostly prominent government officials and businessmen, but also law enforcement officials.[2]

Only a few reached their targets, and not all exploded when opened. Some people suffered injuries, including a housekeeper in Senator Thomas W. Hardwick's residence, who had her hands blown off.[2] On June 2, 1919, a second wave of bombings occurred, when several much larger package bombs were detonated by Galleanists in eight American cities, including one that damaged the home of Attorney General A. Mitchell Palmer in Washington, D.C.[2]

At least one person was killed in this second attack, night watchman William Boehner, and fears were raised because it occurred in the capital.[2][3][4] Flyers declaring war on capitalists in the name of anarchist principles accompanied each bomb.

[SackAttack]

Originally Posted by Edward64

Assume you are referring to Freedom of Speech/Press?

Because of him parroting "Fake News" and his attacks on MSM (excluding Fox) all the time? TBH, I don't see it rising to level of violating.

Greg Gianforte assaulted a reporter in Montana. Pleaded guilty to misdemeanor assault.

When he won a special election for his House seat in the aftermath, Trump hailed it as a "great win for Montana."

Rallying on behalf of Gianforte last week, he said "any guy who can do a bodyslam, that's my kind of guy."

Nowhere, in any of that, did he so much as utter the words "Greg should not have done that."

Nah. He bodyslammed a reporter, so it's fine. It's fine. We're all fine, here. How are you?

The news media is all "fake news" unless it's Fox and Friends, so who cares about a piddly thing like whether or not your tacit acceptance of - and public embrace of - violence against the press undermines the First Amendment? If they were REAL journalists, they'd be fellating Trump on Fox, amirite?

[Kodos]

Rough day on the stock market. Thanks, Obama!

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by SackAttack

Greg Gianforte assaulted a reporter in Montana. Pleaded guilty to misdemeanor assault.

When he won a special election for his House seat in the aftermath, Trump hailed it as a "great win for Montana."

Rallying on behalf of Gianforte last week, he said "any guy who can do a bodyslam, that's my kind of guy."

Nowhere, in any of that, did he so much as utter the words "Greg should not have done that."

Nah. He bodyslammed a reporter, so it's fine. It's fine. We're all fine, here. How are you?

The news media is all "fake news" unless it's Fox and Friends, so who cares about a piddly thing like whether or not your tacit acceptance of - and public embrace of - violence against the press undermines the First Amendment? If they were REAL journalists, they'd be fellating Trump on Fox, amirite?

So you are saying this incident violated the first amendment?

I'll ask the same question as above, is how Obama handled Wikileaks a violation (or threat to)?

TBH, I don't really know. That's the example that I can think of that (may) rises to the level of freedom of press.

[Thomkal]

Add Maxine Waters to the list of people who got packages

[RainMaker]

Markets erased all the gains they made this year.

[kingfc22]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Markets erased all the gains they made this year.

Obviously this is due to Obama, Soros and the Clintons being in the news headlines today. Those a-holes.

[JPhillips]

Originally Posted by kingfc22

Obviously this is due to Obama, Soros and the Clintons being in the news headlines today. Those a-holes.

You joke, but Kudlow has already said the problem is that investors fear a Democratic House.