Historical Nation Draft

[Abe Sargent]

My Draft by Continent (so far):

Africa: 2
Australia/Oceania: 1
Asia (Not counting the Middle East): 3
Europe: 7
The Middle East: 0
North America: 0 (yet, I plan to take one in round 14)
South America: 0

It's more European-centric than I'd like, but it's not Americas focused at all.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

13.3 Ramses II (aka Ramses the Great aka Ozymandias), Ruler/Leader, Egypt, Pre20th

I still think you'd have been better off going with Nile pre-20th and taking a 20th century leader.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Apathetic Lurker

ugh..... brain fizz


man made object sputnik USSR 20th century

damn - this blocked me off something i wanted to do. ass.

[Barkeep49]

13.4 Desmond Tutu Religious Leader 20th Century South Africa

[DaddyTorgo]

that's 13.4 right? so it's me at 13.5 now?

[Barkeep49]

No. Noop is on the clock.

[Barkeep49]

DOLA - DT you're 13.8

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I still think you'd have been better off going with Nile pre-20th and taking a 20th century leader.

I don't think many voters are going to really consider the structure and place really strongly unless it is really strong or really weak. I think having Ramses II over, say, Margaret Thatcher, does make me stronger, however.

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

13.4 Desmond Tutu Religious Leader 20th Century South Africa

Solid value here for him.

[DaddyTorgo]

oh - damn snake-thing

[Abe Sargent]

More importantly is this:

Just because Albert Einstein was taken for Germany doesn;t mean you don't take into consideration his work done outside of Germany, including a certain set of five papers written and published while he was working in Berne in Switzerland and later work in America.

Just because Ghandi was taken for India does not mean you do not consider how he also helped Pakistan and Bangladesh out

Just because Simon Bolivar was taken for Venezuela does not mean you do not consider him as a founding father of Colombia, Bolivia, Panama, etc.

Just because Muhammad was taken for Saudi Arabia does not mean you do not consider his work outside of Arabia in converting and bringing people together in other countries.

Just because Alexey Koloyov was taken for Ukraine does not mean you do not consider his work for the Soviet missile program.

Just because Mother Theresa was taken for Albania, Moses for Egypt, Pope John Paul II for Poland, Hitchcock for USA, Saladin for Egypt, and more for other countries.

Same seems to me to be true of locations and structures. Take the Nile for the 20th, but that is just a slot on a board, it's full value is still there, just like you consider the British films Hitchcock made even though he was taken for the USA.

[Noop]

Both of my choices were taken. Bare with me while I research another pick.

[Noop]

13.5 - Pierre Elliott Trudeau - Cheif Diplomat - Canada - 20th

Considered one of the greatest Canadians who ever lived.

[Abe Sargent]

By my accounting, everyone now has a Chief Diplomat.

[larrymcg421]

1st post updated

[Apathetic Lurker]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

damn - this blocked me off something i wanted to do. ass.

Hey, dont blame me for this..Blame Abe who took the sydney opera house. He shat on my damn parade. I therefore shat on your damn parade

[ntndeacon]

Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

More importantly is this:

Just because Albert Einstein was taken for Germany doesn;t mean you don't take into consideration his work done outside of Germany, including a certain set of five papers written and published while he was working in Berne in Switzerland and later work in America.

Just because Ghandi was taken for India does not mean you do not consider how he also helped Pakistan and Bangladesh out

Just because Simon Bolivar was taken for Venezuela does not mean you do not consider him as a founding father of Colombia, Bolivia, Panama, etc.

Just because Muhammad was taken for Saudi Arabia does not mean you do not consider his work outside of Arabia in converting and bringing people together in other countries.

Just because Alexey Koloyov was taken for Ukraine does not mean you do not consider his work for the Soviet missile program.

Just because Mother Theresa was taken for Albania, Moses for Egypt, Pope John Paul II for Poland, Hitchcock for USA, Saladin for Egypt, and more for other countries.

Same seems to me to be true of locations and structures. Take the Nile for the 20th, but that is just a slot on a board, it's full value is still there, just like you consider the British films Hitchcock made even though he was taken for the USA.

however I think time works differently. And I know that when I vote those that take a 20th century geographic structure will be last in my figuring.

[DaddyTorgo]

fyi - noop's pick was 13.5 not 12.5 right?

[Izulde]

My turn, right?

[Coffee Warlord]

Da

[Izulde]

Mkay, give me a bit to research then.

[Izulde]

Mkay, looks like I'm the last one who can make a religion pick... so I'll need to concentrate on my other category.

[Izulde]

13.6 Paris Metro - Manmade Structure - France - 20th Century

One of the busiest subway systems in the world, yet it is one of the easiest to use and one noted for its Art Nouveau architecture. It serves approximately 4.5 million passengers per day and the Châtelet – Les Halles station is also considered the world's largest underground station.

Being able to move from one place to another quickly and efficiently in a city or country is important and having a world-famous subway system only provides an added bonus.

[Barkeep49]

Izulde, I really like that pick.

[Izulde]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Izulde, I really like that pick.

Thanks. With a lot of great countries for 20th century man-made structures blocked, it was a bit of a scramble until I remembered how much I enjoyed zipping around the Metro and how useful it was.

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by Izulde

13.6 Paris Metro - Manmade Structure - France - 20th Century

One of the busiest subway systems in the world, yet it is one of the easiest to use and one noted for its Art Nouveau architecture. It serves approximately 4.5 million passengers per day and the Châtelet – Les Halles station is also considered the world's largest underground station.

Being able to move from one place to another quickly and efficiently in a city or country is important and having a world-famous subway system only provides an added bonus.

I was going to take the Interstate System for US until the Statue got taken. I think Le Metro is fine as a choice.

[Abe Sargent]

Perhaps I was wrong, but I thought there were three really good, obvious, 20th century diplomats on the board that no one touched. I was very surprised by this.

In order:

U Thant, Myanmar, ran the UN during Cold War's darkest days, major player in settling Cuban Missle Crisis, ended wars, respected by both sides - which was unprecented,

Dag Hammarskjald - Was called by JFK greatest statesman of their time, handled Cold War in its infancy, won Nobel Peace Prize. Very active Secretary General.

Kofi Annan - Lesser than the first two, but still won Nobel, has many credits during Secretary General but reign marked by failure to act in Rwanda, which diminishes it a bit.

[Barkeep49]

I did a major project on the Internstate System in college. It's a really interesting topic. It's only a bit of a stretch to say that WWI led to the Interstate Highway system as we know it.

[Barkeep49]

I have to admit to not really knowing the first two, and always had a poor opinion of Annan, though he was certainly a large upgrade over Boutros Boutros-Ghali.

[Abe Sargent]

I agree thatn Annan's light was less bright, but U Thant was a major major player. I kinda wish I hadn't taken Marco Polo caue I could have happily have taken Thant here.

[ntndeacon]

Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

Perhaps I was wrong, but I thought there were three really good, obvious, 20th century diplomats on the board that no one touched. I was very surprised by this.

In order:

U Thant, Myanmar, ran the UN during Cold War's darkest days, major player in settling Cuban Missle Crisis, ended wars, respected by both sides - which was unprecented,

Dag Hammarskjald - Was called by JFK greatest statesman of their time, handled Cold War in its infancy, won Nobel Peace Prize. Very active Secretary General.

Kofi Annan - Lesser than the first two, but still won Nobel, has many credits during Secretary General but reign marked by failure to act in Rwanda, which diminishes it a bit.

I thought about going UN Sec general if I had held out on the category longer.

[Coffee Warlord]

13.7 Mario Andretti - Athlete, Italy, 20th

A household name even for those who know absolutely nothing about racing. Only driver to ever win Daytona, Indy, and the Formula One Championship.

[DaddyTorgo]

a lot of my high picks for manmade objects have been taken - let me take a tally of how many people are left to pick in that category to see if i should go athlete before that

[DaddyTorgo]

13.8 Itaipu Dam, Man-made object, Paraguay, 20th Century

2nd largest dam in terms of hydroelectric output behind 3 Gorges Dam (blocked by Lathum), on the American Society of Civil Engineers list of 7 manmade wonders of the world. It provides 90% of the power necessary for Paraguay AND 20% of that for Brazil.

[Izulde]

Nice pick. I thought about a dam myself.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Izulde

Nice pick. I thought about a dam myself.

3 gorges would have been my first choice but lathum blocked it a while back. i would take itaipu over hoover because of its power generation abilities, and after all this is a "nation building" draft and i'd rather have the one putting out more power

[Izulde]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

3 gorges would have been my first choice but lathum blocked it a while back. i would take itaipu over hoover because of its power generation abilities, and after all this is a "nation building" draft and i'd rather have the one putting out more power

Agreed on all counts, except for maybe 3 Gorges. It produces a ton of power, but it also devastated the environment and ecology around it.

[Abe Sargent]

Yeah, and temples and stuff the relocation of people. It's not an easy pick.

[ntndeacon]

13.9 The Andes-Geographical Location-Bolivia-pre 20th century

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Izulde

Agreed on all counts, except for maybe 3 Gorges. It produces a ton of power, but it also devastated the environment and ecology around it.

very true...very true.

[Danny]

Oh I am up

[Danny]

13.10 - Jean-Jaques Rousseau, Justice Minister - France, Pre 20th century

Along the lines of the John Locke pick

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Danny

13.10 - Jean-Jaques Rousseau, Justice Minister - France, Pre 20th century

Along the lines of the John Locke pick

great value. i thought of him around like...round 3-4 and am surprised nobody else took him for anything.

[Danny]

Thanks, now just have to select my army commander. Hannibal, Bar.... oh wait, I have to go with my next choice

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

great value. i thought of him around like...round 3-4 and am surprised nobody else took him for anything.

I think Rousseau is solid for here, but he carries the misogynist baggage that he does, being so massively anti-woman that he published against women and fought against their education, and so forth. That's not an albatross you want at round 4 or 5, but here he's fine for the choice.

[Galaril]

13.11 - Arnold Schwarzenegger, Athelete - Austria, 20th century

[Abe Sargent]

At first, that Arnie pick surprised me a bit, but I've settled in to it.

[Lathum]

am I up for 2 in a ro?

[Danny]

Yes, your last two picks.

[Lathum]

13.12-Bruno Tonioli- Justice minister- Italy- 20th century- I love this guy on dancing with the stars

14.1-Facundo Bacardi- Scientist- Cuba- Pre 20th- guy invented Bacardi rum.