Lakers vs Magic and the 2008-2009 NBA Playoffs/Finals Thread - Page 27

Radii · 05-26-2009, 10:28 PM

Wow, Howard is just embarrassing Verejao.

miami_fan · 05-26-2009, 10:29 PM

Did I say something earlier in the thread about anticipating the call?

kingfc22 · 05-26-2009, 10:29 PM

Why are they not fouling Howard? Oh yea, Mike Brown can't coach

RainMaker · 05-26-2009, 10:29 PM

I think both should have been no-calls.

k0ruptr · 05-26-2009, 10:30 PM

The Magic I think are just a better overall team then the Cavs. These guys are really really good.

Gary Gorski · 05-26-2009, 10:32 PM

Alston needs to stop shooting - the guy was crazy hot but he's such a streaky shooter and right now he's ice cold. He's a good defender though and definitely made a big play with that steal.

miami_fan · 05-26-2009, 10:32 PM

Why wasn't Howard involved in the 4th qtr again?

Noop · 05-26-2009, 10:32 PM

I think the Magic's style of play is a bad match for Cleveland.

Lathum · 05-26-2009, 10:32 PM

Cleveland strikes me as a team that just finds ways to lose

Lathum · 05-26-2009, 10:33 PM

dola- can they please stop showing that Axe Dry commercial, it's fucking horrible.

MrBug708 · 05-26-2009, 10:33 PM

Howard has really taken over

k0ruptr · 05-26-2009, 10:33 PM

looks like the magic are going up 3-1. Cleveland probably wins at home then the magic finish em off in game 6 I'm guessing. I'm indifferent on this series. Just enjoy watching. would love to see James vs Kobe finals. but we might get to see an amazing Nuggets Magic series instead.
This has been one of the most enjoyable playoffs in years, and my interest in the NBA is coming back.

k0ruptr · 05-26-2009, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by k0ruptr

looks like the magic are going up 3-1. Cleveland probably wins at home then the magic finish em off in game 6 I'm guessing. I'm indifferent on this series. Just enjoy watching. would love to see James vs Kobe finals. but we might get to see an amazing Nuggets Magic series instead.
This has been one of the most enjoyable playoffs in years, and my interest in the NBA is coming back.

tho I probably speak to soon

Gary Gorski · 05-26-2009, 10:34 PM

That was a weak call

MrBug708 · 05-26-2009, 10:35 PM

What was worse, Turgolu's play? Or Howard's?

kingfc22 · 05-26-2009, 10:35 PM

Refs trying to keep this close... Never know with the NBA

Noop · 05-26-2009, 10:36 PM

Orlando has way too many guys who can shoot the three and Cleveland doesn't really have any.

miami_fan · 05-26-2009, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by miami_fan

Why wasn't Howard involved in the 4th qtr again?

I say again

Ronnie Dobbs2 · 05-26-2009, 10:38 PM

David Stern obviously called for that jump ball.

Lathum · 05-26-2009, 10:39 PM

That was the longest 5 seconds ever to inbound that ball

Ronnie Dobbs2 · 05-26-2009, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by miami_fan

Why wasn't Howard involved in the 4th qtr again?

I think it's on him. I think he just disappears at times. It was like that in the Boston series as well.

miami_fan · 05-26-2009, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2

David Stern obviously called for that jump ball.

Radii · 05-26-2009, 10:41 PM

they never call that foul when you have to lunge that far into the defender, yet every shooter who has ever pump faked his man straight up in the air tries it.

miami_fan · 05-26-2009, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2

I think it's on him. I think he just disappears at times. It was like that in the Boston series as well.

I think the team forgets him when the threes start to fly. At the very least he needs to be a part of the pick and roll in the 4th like he was in the first three quarters

Gary Gorski · 05-26-2009, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Radii

they never call that foul when you have to lunge that far into the defender, yet every shooter who has ever pump faked his man straight up in the air tries it.

In Cleveland they might have called it

Neon_Chaos · 05-26-2009, 10:43 PM

Lebron's future in Cleveland is looking bleak.

miami_fan · 05-26-2009, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Radii

they never call that foul when you have to lunge that far into the defender, yet every shooter who has ever pump faked his man straight up in the air tries it.

That ain't what David told me

miami_fan · 05-26-2009, 10:44 PM

Ummmm that was interesting.

Gary Gorski · 05-26-2009, 10:45 PM

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I laughed...then I laughed that once again with the game seconds away from being won SVG sets up a defense to ALLOW the MVP to catch the ball uncontested. Big surprise - Lebron saved the day again. Maybe next time SVG will try to let someone else beat them but I doubt it.

^^^ - now watch Lebron win it from half court

Neon_Chaos · 05-26-2009, 10:45 PM

LOL @ Lewis.

Neon_Chaos · 05-26-2009, 10:45 PM

LOL @ Lebron.

sterlingice · 05-26-2009, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2

David Stern obviously called for that jump ball.

Yeah, it's going out on a limb to suggest the NBA is partially fixed...

SI

Noop · 05-26-2009, 10:48 PM

I can not see LeBron staying in Cleveland if he wants to win a championship. As long as he is there they will not be a lottery team and will likely pick in the 20s. Unless they get lucky and draft a kid who is a diamond in the rough they won't win the championship.

Ronnie Dobbs2 · 05-26-2009, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice

Yeah, it's going out on a limb to suggest the NBA is partially fixed...

SI

It's pretty ridiculous how it gets used as a crutch, however. People will always find what they're looking for, even if most of the evidence goes in the other direction...

RainMaker · 05-26-2009, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2

It's pretty ridiculous how it gets used as a crutch, however. People will always find what they're looking for, even if most of the evidence goes in the other direction...

The evidence doesn't go in the other direction though.

Gary Gorski · 05-26-2009, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Noop

I can not see LeBron staying in Cleveland if he wants to win a championship. As long as he is there they will not be a lottery team and will likely pick in the 20s. Unless they get lucky and draft a kid who is a diamond in the rough they won't win the championship.

I don't think it's the team - I really think its the coaching. The announcers talked about how Cleveland played when they moved the ball and allowed Lebron to be a passer in the offense - the Cavs scored well and had a lead. Once they go into the 1 on 5 offense they suck. That's about the time the coach needs to call them on it and get them back to what is working.

They have enough talent - Williams, West, Z - those guys don't suck. I can't stand Varejao because he's a whiner and a flopper but he plays hard and is a good defender. And they have the best player in the league. Really what more do you need to get you over? I would fire Mike Brown, the "coach of the year" and give Lebron one year with a real coach on the bench before he decides if he's bolting.

miami_fan · 05-26-2009, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

The evidence doesn't go in the other direction though.

Will be if the Cavs lose at home.....wait

Well it will be if the Cavs go down 3-1.......wait

I guess the Cavs will be given games 5,6,7 and that will prove it.

Big Fo · 05-26-2009, 10:59 PM

Dwight Howard was dominant in the overtime, three buckets on the first threee possessions <3

Lewis was a complete no-show until that huge three, he's hit a few big ones in the postseason so far.

Lebron got around 40 again but Orlando did manage to force him to make a lot of turnovers.

Big Fo · 05-26-2009, 11:01 PM

Cleveland looked so much better on offense in the first half, moving the ball around more, they scored 58 points. Lebron was setting up guys for easy buckets and they looked better than they have all series.

Both of these teams are susceptible to the occasional brain fart.

Noop · 05-26-2009, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Gary Gorski

I don't think it's the team - I really think its the coaching. The announcers talked about how Cleveland played when they moved the ball and allowed Lebron to be a passer in the offense - the Cavs scored well and had a lead. Once they go into the 1 on 5 offense they suck. That's about the time the coach needs to call them on it and get them back to what is working.

They have enough talent - Williams, West, Z - those guys don't suck. I can't stand Varejao because he's a whiner and a flopper but he plays hard and is a good defender. And they have the best player in the league. Really what more do you need to get you over? I would fire Mike Brown, the "coach of the year" and give Lebron one year with a real coach on the bench before he decides if he's bolting.

The NBA more so then College basketball is all about talent. How many teams can you name that you can say the coach was responsible for that teams success and not the players? Lakers with Phil Jackson? Chicago with Phil Jackson? Miami with Pat Riley?

In college basketball you can name those teams easily and likely won't generate much debate if you say Michigan State with Tom Izzo or UNC with Dean Smith. In the NBA its more about talent and the coach is more then likely has to be the one who is a motivator I guess.

Gary Gorski · 05-26-2009, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Noop

The NBA more so then College basketball is all about talent. How many teams can you name that you can say the coach was responsible for that teams success and not the players? Lakers with Phil Jackson? Chicago with Phil Jackson? Miami with Pat Riley?

In college basketball you can name those teams easily and likely won't generate much debate if you say Michigan State with Tom Izzo or UNC with Dean Smith. In the NBA its more about talent and the coach is more then likely has to be the one who is a motivator I guess.

Oh no doubt - Rick Pitino in college makes 1000x the impact as in the NBA. But if you have someone who doesn't understand basic strategy then you are a negative to the team. The coach may not implement a crazy system in the NBA and yes the NBA is definitely more about talent but if you can't make matchup adjustments, can't execute strategies in a multiple game series and can't seem to basically coach period then you're hurting the team no matter how much talent there is.

miami_fan · 05-26-2009, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Noop

The NBA more so then College basketball is all about talent. How many teams can you name that you can say the coach was responsible for that teams success and not the players? Lakers with Phil Jackson? Chicago with Phil Jackson? Miami with Pat Riley?

In college basketball you can name those teams easily and likely won't generate much debate if you say Michigan State with Tom Izzo or UNC with Dean Smith. In the NBA its more about talent and the coach is more then likely has to be the one who is a motivator I guess.

I would like to agree with you but Mike Brown just indicted himself and proved Gary right. He basically said that he stopped running the offense and HE made the decision to just put the ball in LeBron's hands in the 4th qtr. That just does not make any sense.

Noop · 05-26-2009, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Gary Gorski

Oh no doubt - Rick Pitino in college makes 1000x the impact as in the NBA. But if you have someone who doesn't understand basic strategy then you are a negative to the team. The coach may not implement a crazy system in the NBA and yes the NBA is definitely more about talent but if you can't make matchup adjustments, can't execute strategies in a multiple game series and can't seem to basically coach period then you're hurting the team no matter how much talent there is.

I agree. I think this series is not indicative of Coach Brown's ability because Orlando is flat out a better team then Cleveland. They were in that game because of LeBron and are in the conference finals because of LeBron. You could have a stomp on the bench I think Cleveland would have still made the Conference Finals.

However I do concede that with better coaching this might be a 2-2 series or even 3-1 in favor of Cleveland since with a good coach they wouldn't blow those huge leads.

Big Fo · 05-26-2009, 11:18 PM

Orlando is just an unusual team in some ways. A 6'10'' jump shooting specialist, a 6'10'' guy who does the majority of the ball-handling, Howard, guards who are not good at ball handling or passing but can shoot well, I know every team is different but Orlando is really different from most NBA teams.

Noop · 05-26-2009, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Fo

Orlando is just an unusual team in some ways. A 6'10'' jump shooting specialist, a 6'10'' guy who does the majority of the ball-handling, Howard, guards who are not good at ball handling or passing but can shoot well, I know every team is different but Orlando is really different from most NBA teams.

They also shoot the three ball very well.

Gary Gorski · 05-26-2009, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Noop

I agree. I think this series is not indicative of Coach Brown's ability because Orlando is flat out a better team then Cleveland. They were in that game because of LeBron and are in the conference finals because of LeBron. You could have a stomp on the bench I think Cleveland would have still made the Conference Finals.

However I do concede that with better coaching this might be a 2-2 series or even 3-1 in favor of Cleveland since with a good coach they wouldn't blow those huge leads.

Well if playing against a "better team" isn't indicative of the ability of the guy named coach of the year I don't know what is. They rolled a Pistons team who was done months ago. They crushed the Hawks who are still growing but have some talent and they're one giant coaching brain fart by the other coach from lining up tee times right now.

Coaching during the regular season accounts for very little. Basically as long as you aren't a complete ass your coaching abillity is going to directly account for a W or L maybe 5 times max. Other than its all talent. The playoffs are when coaching counts.

stevew · 05-27-2009, 12:05 AM

Obviously Howard will get tech'd in game 5. Then cleveland wins a close one. Howard is suspended for game 6. The Cavs win that one. Then good ole Joey C takes us to the finals with game 7. That's the only way I see the Cavs winning the series

Arles · 05-27-2009, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by k0ruptr

looks like the magic are going up 3-1. Cleveland probably wins at home then the magic finish em off in game 6 I'm guessing. I'm indifferent on this series. Just enjoy watching. would love to see James vs Kobe finals. but we might get to see an amazing Nuggets Magic series instead.
This has been one of the most enjoyable playoffs in years, and my interest in the NBA is coming back.

Agreed completely. I also concur about the dreadful coaching/decision making in this Eastern Conference series. Heck, George Karl and his "can't throw an in-bounds at midcourt" efforts look like Red Auerbach compared to these two jokers.

Still, I've had a blast watching every game and am almost glad I'm not really rooting for (or against) these teams. Although, I am starting to like Orlando a little more and appreciate what a strong team they have. I just hope we don't have a "Stern moment" in these final 2-3 games that end up with a Kobe-Lebron matchup but a bad taste in the mouth of neutral fans.

Passacaglia · 05-27-2009, 05:42 AM

I've been thinking that the NBA would rather have Orlando in the Finals, so that Lebron leaves Cleveland. Of course, it would have been a lot easier to just fix the ping-pong balls in the first place.

RainMaker · 05-27-2009, 05:50 AM

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I've been thinking that the NBA would rather have Orlando in the Finals, so that Lebron leaves Cleveland. Of course, it would have been a lot easier to just fix the ping-pong balls in the first place.

I actually think it makes it easier for him to leave if he wins a title in Cleveland. He would have accomplished the pinnacle achievement in Cleveland and could then move on elsewhere. If he moves to New York without a title in Cleveland, he will always have that hanging over his head.

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05-26-2009, 10:32 PM	#1306
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miami_fan Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Land O Lakes FL	Why wasn't Howard involved in the 4th qtr again? __________________ "The blind soldier fought for me in this war. The least I can do now is fight for him. I have eyes. He hasn’t. I have a voice on the radio, he hasn’t. I was born a white man. And until a colored man is a full citizen, like me, I haven’t the leisure to enjoy the freedom that colored man risked his life to maintain for me. I don’t own what I have until he owns an equal share of it. Until somebody beats me and blinds me, I am in his debt."- Orson Welles August 11, 1946

05-26-2009, 10:32 PM	#1308
Noop Bonafide Seminole Fan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Miami	I think the Magic's style of play is a bad match for Cleveland. __________________ Subby's favorite woman hater.

05-26-2009, 10:28 PM	#1301
Radii Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Wow, Howard is just embarrassing Verejao.

05-26-2009, 10:29 PM	#1304
RainMaker General Manager Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Chicago, IL	I think both should have been no-calls.

05-26-2009, 10:30 PM	#1305
k0ruptr Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Las Vegas	The Magic I think are just a better overall team then the Cavs. These guys are really really good.

05-26-2009, 10:32 PM	#1309
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Cleveland strikes me as a team that just finds ways to lose

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Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	dola- can they please stop showing that Axe Dry commercial, it's fucking horrible.

05-26-2009, 10:33 PM	#1311
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Howard has really taken over

05-26-2009, 10:33 PM	#1312
k0ruptr Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Las Vegas	looks like the magic are going up 3-1. Cleveland probably wins at home then the magic finish em off in game 6 I'm guessing. I'm indifferent on this series. Just enjoy watching. would love to see James vs Kobe finals. but we might get to see an amazing Nuggets Magic series instead. This has been one of the most enjoyable playoffs in years, and my interest in the NBA is coming back.

05-26-2009, 10:34 PM	#1314
Gary Gorski Wolverine Studios Join Date: Oct 2003	That was a weak call __________________ Wolverine Studios http://www.wolverinestudios.com

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MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	What was worse, Turgolu's play? Or Howard's?

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kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	Refs trying to keep this close... Never know with the NBA __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal

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Noop Bonafide Seminole Fan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Miami	Orlando has way too many guys who can shoot the three and Cleveland doesn't really have any. __________________ Subby's favorite woman hater.

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Ronnie Dobbs2 Pro Rookie Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Bahston Mass	David Stern obviously called for that jump ball. __________________ There's no I in Teamocil, at least not where you'd think

05-26-2009, 10:39 PM	#1320
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	That was the longest 5 seconds ever to inbound that ball

05-26-2009, 10:41 PM	#1323
Radii Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	they never call that foul when you have to lunge that far into the defender, yet every shooter who has ever pump faked his man straight up in the air tries it.

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Neon_Chaos Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Parañaque, Philippines	Lebron's future in Cleveland is looking bleak. __________________ Come and see.

05-26-2009, 10:44 PM	#1328
miami_fan Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Land O Lakes FL	Ummmm that was interesting. __________________ "The blind soldier fought for me in this war. The least I can do now is fight for him. I have eyes. He hasn’t. I have a voice on the radio, he hasn’t. I was born a white man. And until a colored man is a full citizen, like me, I haven’t the leisure to enjoy the freedom that colored man risked his life to maintain for me. I don’t own what I have until he owns an equal share of it. Until somebody beats me and blinds me, I am in his debt."- Orson Welles August 11, 1946

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Neon_Chaos Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Parañaque, Philippines	LOL @ Lewis. __________________ Come and see.

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Noop Bonafide Seminole Fan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Miami	I can not see LeBron staying in Cleveland if he wants to win a championship. As long as he is there they will not be a lottery team and will likely pick in the 20s. Unless they get lucky and draft a kid who is a diamond in the rough they won't win the championship. __________________ Subby's favorite woman hater.

05-26-2009, 10:59 PM	#1338
Big Fo Pro Rookie Join Date: Jan 2005	Dwight Howard was dominant in the overtime, three buckets on the first threee possessions <3 Lewis was a complete no-show until that huge three, he's hit a few big ones in the postseason so far. Lebron got around 40 again but Orlando did manage to force him to make a lot of turnovers.

05-26-2009, 11:01 PM	#1339
Big Fo Pro Rookie Join Date: Jan 2005	Cleveland looked so much better on offense in the first half, moving the ball around more, they scored 58 points. Lebron was setting up guys for easy buckets and they looked better than they have all series. Both of these teams are susceptible to the occasional brain fart.

05-26-2009, 11:18 PM	#1344
Big Fo Pro Rookie Join Date: Jan 2005	Orlando is just an unusual team in some ways. A 6'10'' jump shooting specialist, a 6'10'' guy who does the majority of the ball-handling, Howard, guards who are not good at ball handling or passing but can shoot well, I know every team is different but Orlando is really different from most NBA teams.

05-27-2009, 12:05 AM	#1347
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Obviously Howard will get tech'd in game 5. Then cleveland wins a close one. Howard is suspended for game 6. The Cavs win that one. Then good ole Joey C takes us to the finals with game 7. That's the only way I see the Cavs winning the series Last edited by stevew : 05-27-2009 at 12:52 AM.

05-27-2009, 05:42 AM	#1349
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	I've been thinking that the NBA would rather have Orlando in the Finals, so that Lebron leaves Cleveland. Of course, it would have been a lot easier to just fix the ping-pong balls in the first place.

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