Lost, Season 2

[sovereignstar]

Originally Posted by gottimd

Is it ok to post pictures from this last episode yet? Pictures that have stuff that you may have missed? Wanted to ask before I post a picture about the episode that was already aired.

That should be perfectly fine. Anyone that hasn't seen yesterday's episode shouldn't be reading this thread until they have.

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by gottimd

Is it ok to post pictures from this last episode yet? Pictures that have stuff that you may have missed? Wanted to ask before I post a picture about the episode that was already aired.

jbmagic said it was okay since he started this thre....whoa...guess he didn't start the thread!

[mgadfly]

Speaking of pictures, I've spent all my spare time (not too much today) trying to figure out what the picture on the wall by the weight bench is. I can't quite tell despite pausing the show there and squinting like crazy.

[Kodos]

Originally Posted by Celeval

Also, dunno if it's a writer's nod or an actual clue... but the guy arrived (supposedly) in a hot air balloon and is named Henry Gale.

Dorothy Gale is the famed Dorothy from the Wizard of Oz... Henry is her uncle (the other half of Auntie Em).. the Wizard left the Emerald City by hot air balloon. Just sayin'

The plot thickens: Henry Gayle!

[gottimd]

thetailsection.com has photos up on the main page. Not spoilers, just photos of things you may have missed.

SPOILER ALERT: Don't scroll any further down the page once you get to the Hieroglyphics picture. It has screenshots from the next episodes preview.

[Kodos]

Now THAT's a spoiler alert!

[sovereignstar]

Originally Posted by gottimd

thetailsection.com has photos up on the main page. Not spoilers, just photos of things you may have missed.

SPOILER ALERT: Don't scroll any further down the page once you get to the Hieroglyphics picture. It has screenshots from the next episodes preview.

I recommend you stop acting like such a faggot.

[MrBigglesworth]

Originally Posted by sovereignstar

I recommend you stop acting like such a faggot.

Old School reference!

[Raiders Army]

New episode tonight. The buzz has certainly died down about this show.

[rkmsuf]

happens when a new one is on every 6 weeks and you know tonite's big revelation happens in the last 5 minutes and then it's another 6 weeks for another new episode.

[Bearcat729]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

New episode tonight. The buzz has certainly died down about this show.

The next new show after tonight is March 22

[rkmsuf]

Originally Posted by Bearcat729

The next new show after tonight is March 22

tell me you are kidding

[Anthony]

i'm actually considering for next season to just wait and rent the season 3 collection and just view all the episodes at my own leisure. there really is no incentive to follow along real-time.

[gottimd]

Originally Posted by rkmsuf

tell me you are kidding

Shirley you can't be serious?

Yes, not til March 22nd

[rkmsuf]

Originally Posted by gottimd

Shirley you can't be serious?

Yes, not til March 22nd

how asshattian

[gottimd]

Originally Posted by rkmsuf

how asshattian

Is that asshattian pronounced "ass-haitian" or "ass-Hatt-ee-an"

[rkmsuf]

ass haitian would make no sense. I have nothing against the haitain people.

[Raiders Army]

I read it as ass-hat-ee-an

[Swaggs]

Originally Posted by Hell Atlantic

i'm actually considering for next season to just wait and rent the season 3 collection and just view all the episodes at my own leisure. there really is no incentive to follow along real-time.

I'm considering this route for a lot of shows nowadays.

Between the on for a week, off for four weeks-type of crap that Lost does and then, it seems most new shows that I try to watch get cancelled after 5 episodes, I figure I might as well just wait until they are out on DVD and watch at my leisure, with the knowledge that the show isn't going to get cancelled (at least until next season).

[Draft Dodger]

ok, I don't watch a ton of TV, but am I missing something here?
are there shows at there where they don't have to do reruns? The normal TV season is, what 36 weeks? Are there a lot of shows out there doing 36 episodes a year so that you don't get reruns?

[Swaggs]

Originally Posted by Draft Dodger

ok, I don't watch a ton of TV, but am I missing something here?
are there shows at there where they don't have to do reruns? The normal TV season is, what 36 weeks? Are there a lot of shows out there doing 36 episodes a year so that you don't get reruns?

I don't watch a ton of non-sports TV, but it seems to me that Lost just runs an awkward pattern. They will show 1-3 new episodes and then 2-5 re-runs. Adding to the oddity, for me, is the fact that they do not show the re-runs in any kind of specific order (as far as I can tell). They may show a new episode, then a random re-run, then the two-hour pilot, then two new shows, then a re-run from early first season, then a re-run from late first season.

It is just not enjoyable to follow. Ideally, I would like to see 8-12 new episodes in a row, breaking for only large sporting events or holidays, then run some re-runs in a set order, then run another string of 8-12 new episodes, etc.

[Anthony]

ideally i'd like to see no re-runs.

[mauchow]

Well.. that was okay.

[Swaggs]

::SPOILER::



Did anyone else think Mr. Echo was going to kill himself? What was his deal there anyway?

[Bearcat729]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

::SPOILER::



Did anyone else think Mr. Echo was going to kill himself? What was his deal there anyway?

Yeah I thought he was going to do it

[Pyser]

dharma theatrical glue?

these guys make everything!!!

by the by, i think the dude in captivity is the leader of the others.

[Draft Dodger]

I think he's Michael, but with a whole mess of pancake makeup on

[Honolulu_Blue]

Awesome episode. That was easily the best episode of Season 2 since the first couple. Good stuff!

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by Bearcat729

Yeah I thought he was going to do it

I did as well.

I really have to think that the guy in captivity isn't an other. The show is sooooooo leaning towards it, it can't be true. Either that or Pyser is right and he's the leader of the Others.

Also, I think we can conclude that Ethan was part of the group that took Walt.

[gottimd]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

I really have to think that the guy in captivity isn't an other. The show is sooooooo leaning towards it, it can't be true.

I agree. I think he is just trying to create a division between the established leaders, and that he isn't an "other".

What is the point of the disguises? Scare tactics?





























Spoiler in invisotext:
I saw screen caps of the show on set by accident and apparently at some point they get to a point in the jungle where there IS a huge balloon stuck in the trees and they find a grave. Its either an elaborate setup or he truly isn't an other (Henry Gale).

[moriarty]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

::SPOILER::



Did anyone else think Mr. Echo was going to kill himself? What was his deal there anyway?

Well Mr. Echo was either delivering a message to someone he thought was an other, like a subtle "I killed two of your buddies, so watch out", or it was more of a "hey, I killed two of your buddies, but please forgive me and let's all get along".

Or ... Mr Echo thinks the guy is going to die soon, and he's asking him to pass the message that he's repented, on to the maker.

As for the beard thing. I think he was keeping two spearate strands of his beard to represent his guilt over killing the two people. He repented/confessed for his sins, so he removed the two reminders as he has been lifted of his guilt. I'm sure someone can probably dig up some religious significance in cutting off your beard or something.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by moriarty

Well Mr. Echo was either delivering a message to someone he thought was an other, like a subtle "I killed two of your buddies, so watch out", or it was more of a "hey, I killed two of your buddies, but please forgive me and let's all get along".

Or ... Mr Echo thinks the guy is going to die soon, and he's asking him to pass the message that he's repented, on to the maker.

As for the beard thing. I think he was keeping two spearate strands of his beard to represent his guilt over killing the two people. He repented/confessed for his sins, so he removed the two reminders as he has been lifted of his guilt. I'm sure someone can probably dig up some religious significance in cutting off your beard or something.

This is how I understood Ecko's actions as well. He had those two tufts, maybe one for each of them. I think he either felt like this guy was going to die or thinks this guy is an "other" and wanted to apologize/confess to one of "them" about what he did to two of "them".

This dude is totally an "Other."

[John Galt]

I thought it was a very good episode. I've been watching the first season on DVD recently and noticed how different it felt. One of the big differences was that the first season had a lot more horror/suspense elements. There was a creepy, whats-going-to-happen-next feeling. That emphasis has been lost after the first couple episodes this season (which I thought were really good). Last night's episode did a lot to reclaim that feeling for me, so I was pretty happy with it.

[Pyser]

i guess one quick question i have is how did the medical bunker become so run-down in only a month or so?

[Toddzilla]

Originally Posted by Pyser

i guess one quick question i have is how did the medical bunker become so run-down in only a month or so?

The bunker wasn't run down - it was pillaged. Someone either ransacked the place or the people who were there left in a real big hurry - probably did so after Claire escaped.

As to the re-runs, while theu do suck, the producers said that they are most definitely not random and each one serves a specific purpose in regards to the storyline. That being said, the re-runs suck and they have destroyed every ounce of momentum this show once had.

[rexallllsc]

Originally Posted by Toddzilla

As to the re-runs, while theu do suck, the producers said that they are most definitely not random and each one serves a specific purpose in regards to the storyline. That being said, the re-runs suck and they have destroyed every ounce of momentum this show once had.

Completely agreed. All you have to do is check out a show like The Shield or the HBO series to see how a series should be handled.

[gottimd]

Originally Posted by rexallllsc

Completely agreed. All you have to do is check out a show like The Shield or the HBO series to see how a series should be handled.

HBO is a bad example, well at least in terms of the Soprano's. Have 8 episodes, then wait 37 years to start another season.

[rexallllsc]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

::SPOILER::



Did anyone else think Mr. Echo was going to kill himself? What was his deal there anyway?

That was a pretty lame scene. So was Locke freaking out. Locke's character has not been written well in the past few episodes, IMO.

[rexallllsc]

Originally Posted by gottimd

HBO is a bad example, well at least in terms of the Soprano's. Have 8 episodes, then wait 37 years to start another season.

Most of the seasons have about 12-15 episodes I believe - but they only break for holidays.

The Shield has what - about 15-20? No breaks unless there's a holiday. I think 24 does something similar as well.

There's really no excuse for this.

[samifan24]

Originally Posted by rexallllsc

Completely agreed. All you have to do is check out a show like The Shield or the HBO series to see how a series should be handled.

I don't watch The Shield or 24 but I read somewhere that they run new episodes every week from January to May after not having any new episodes the previous fall. I really like this system and think it would really benefit Lost to follow suit.

[rexallllsc]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

I did as well.

I really have to think that the guy in captivity isn't an other. The show is sooooooo leaning towards it, it can't be true. Either that or Pyser is right and he's the leader of the Others.

Also, I think we can conclude that Ethan was part of the group that took Walt.

I wouldn't think so, but that stunt he pulled with Locke (btw, did Locke turn into a neurotic weirdo instantly or what? Poor character writing there) foreshadows him being "bad"

[samifan24]

Originally Posted by rexallllsc

That was a pretty lame scene. So was Locke freaking out. Locke's character has not been written well in the past few episodes, IMO.

I thought it was too soon to show Locke's reaction to what Gale said. Obviously Gale intends to plant the seed of doubt in Locke's mind but to have Locke react so immediately was a misstep in my opinion.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by rexallllsc

I wouldn't think so, but that stunt he pulled with Locke (btw, did Locke turn into a neurotic weirdo instantly or what? Poor character writing there) foreshadows him being "bad"

Poor character writing? Locke has been like that from day one. He has had a number of those types of out bursts. He gets easily frustrated and angry. He is, and always has been, a bit of neurotic weirdo. He's the one obsessed with pushing the button, no?

Even though I sat there and thought "No, Locke! Don't fall for that! It's the oldest trick in the book!", I didn't think his outburts was out of character at all based on his reaction to other things. He tries to play it cool, but there is a lot going on under the surface there.

[OldGiants]

Lots of interesting stuff going on once again.

1) Eko and Henry Gale. If Eko knew who Gale was, why didn't Gale know who Eko was, too? I can understand Gale knowing of Eko, if Gale is an Other. ("We lost two grunts to some black mofo, boss") I think Gale would realize who Eko is if that were true. But unless Eko and Gale had met, (perhaps they took Eko to see Gale when he was captured) how could Eko possibly know, or even suspect, who Gale is?

My current working theory is based on the dual-role aspect of the Wizard of Oz reference. In Oz, Uncle Henry and the Wizard are the same man. Henry says he's a millionaire excentric who took off in a balloon. I beleive that will be confirmed. As to why he did, I think Henry knew of Dharma and set out to find the Island. He may be in fairly deeply with Dharma, perhaps enough to have seen dossiers on Locke (and the rest of the passengers) so that he knows how to pull Locke's chain. That's why he's both a castaway and an Other. I think he'll turn out to be a Dharma "investor" who's trying to find out what's going on with his money. In essence, another group (of one).

Eko doesn't trust anyone on the island. He's already sent a message to the Others by bludgeoning two of them to death. The survivors (both groups) are about scared shitless of him, so I think Eko is simply saying, "Look, I dont' know who you are, I'm sorry I killed those two Others. I don't want to do that again. But don't even think of fucking with me."

Gale had to have been genuinely horrified that Eko was going to get tougher than Sayid. I think that was the terror on his face.

2) I always thought the beards looked cheesy on Zeke, but I couldn't figure out why they would see a need to put on false face fuzz. I still don't. Why does Zeke not want to be recognized? Its not like he's famous or anything.

3) Why didn't they want to keep Claire? They kept Alexandra, a young female. Claire isn't all that much out of her teens, is she? She looks and acts about 22, tops.

Was the vaccine shortage dailogue a ruse or real? Why bother to mention it since they seemed prepared to give Claire a C-section. why let her think she was going back, when she was so prepared to stay?

When I first saw Ethan sticking the needle in Claire, I thought of amniosyntesis (sp?), that he was trying to figure out whether she was having a boy or girl, and whether the baby was going to be healthy. But there's no need to do so many of them, so I doubt that's true.

[Samdari]

I think Locke freaking out at the thought that other percieve Jack, rather than him, as the leader is very consistent with his personality so far.

[Draft Dodger]

Originally Posted by OldGiants

2) I always thought the beards looked cheesy on Zeke, but I couldn't figure out why they would see a need to put on false face fuzz. I still don't. Why does Zeke not want to be recognized? Its not like he's famous or anything.

I don't think it's a matter of not wanting to be recognized, but more a matter of wanting them to appear to the Oceanic group like they are roughing it, when in reality they have access to what seems like a lot of nice amenities. Why? No clue.

[Samdari]

Originally Posted by OldGiants

My current working theory is based on the dual-role aspect of the Wizard of Oz reference. In Oz, Uncle Henry and the Wizard are the same man. Henry says he's a millionaire excentric who took off in a balloon. I beleive that will be confirmed. As to why he did, I think Henry knew of Dharma and set out to find the Island. He may be in fairly deeply with Dharma, perhaps enough to have seen dossiers on Locke (and the rest of the passengers) so that he knows how to pull Locke's chain. That's why he's both a castaway and an Other. I think he'll turn out to be a Dharma "investor" who's trying to find out what's going on with his money. In essence, another group (of one).

My thoughts as to what will happen:

Locke and Ana-Lucia will look for the balloon to try to confirm Henry's story. The others, who can obviously monitor the hatch, will plant a hot air balloon where Henry tells Locke it is, so they can bloodlessly get their leader released. Henry will prove to be the elusive "he" referred to by the unbearded Mr Friendly in his conversation with Ethan.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by Samdari

I think Locke freaking out at the thought that other percieve Jack, rather than him, as the leader is very consistent with his personality so far.

I don't see it. I also don't think Locke is so much as concerned that others percieve Jack as the leader. It seemed to be more personal than that. There is something deeper in there. Like I said, he has had numerous fits/outbursts like that. He is also big into being his "own man", especially after being confined by the wheel chair for so long. I think it's a bit more complicated than what it appears and, remember, we really haven't seen all that much of Locke.

[Draft Dodger]

Originally Posted by Samdari

My thoughts as to what will happen:

Locke and Ana-Lucia will look for the balloon to try to confirm Henry's story. The others, who can obviously monitor the hatch, will plant a hot air balloon where Henry tells Locke it is, so they can bloodlessly get their leader released. Henry will prove to be the elusive "he" referred to by the unbearded Mr Friendly in his conversation with Ethan.

oh, I don't think they will plant the balloon. It's already there, from a real crash. But the real Gale is long gone - taken by the Others. This guy is just using that info to gain trust. They'll find the balloon wreckage and think he's telling the truth - and in fact give him more access to the secret stuff because they'll feel bad for torturing him.

[Samdari]

The calm, cool, competent Locke you are expecting is him acting like he has always wanted to be, and pictured himself. All of his flashbacks paint a very different picture of an underconfident loser, craving acceptance and love from ones who will not give it to him. That is the real Locke, the guy who would freak out when learning that others do not percieve him as the leader he envisions himself to be.